Donald Trump's SUPPORT For H-1B Visas Prompts FURIOUS DEBATE; America FIRST?

Robby Soave and Niall Stanage weigh in on Donald Trump's changing view of the H-1B visa. #trump #h1b
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[@amtexas]

I am a Software Engineer, applied to hundreds of jobs this summer and didn’t get even 1 offer, and somehow 85K people on the other side of the world are able to find tech jobs here. The main reason people are not mentioning is that h1b employees have to work for years for the same company while Americans can easily change jobs wherever they want, and this is not something corporations like. So we are being discriminated for being Americans so they can have higher profits.

[@Proud_American_95]

And H1-B visa workers are not have to pay any Federal and Local Taxes, but we citizens have too. Unbelievalbe

[@Lillyblossom14]

Not to talk of you training your replacement who has come on H1b visa and you get fired for no reason and there people replace you. I have experienced this with 4 different roles. Software engineer here and currently looking for a job because my team laid off 53 software engineers and after a month we found out they were outsourcing 80% of these engineers to India and the remaining 20% come here on H1b visa

[@mskaiser33]

Meanwhile siphoning trade secrets out the country. You should research the amount espionage trade secretes stolen by h1b4 employees .

[@andym4695]

SO. Did you vote for Harris?

[@gauravbasu98]

@@Proud_American_95 Thats a lie. Stop spewing lies.

[@Trollkungen1]

Over 100,000 folks laid off in the United States in the tech sector in 2024 alone... you dont need to be handing out VISAs!

[@JRSmith-i3u]

There is a need to reset IT. Too many high paying, low productivity people who manipulate remote work and the complexity of the job to keep their easy lifestyle

[@benji-t7v]

100k. Nah, more like 400k

[@Trollkungen1]

@benji-t7v you would be correct if you add 2022 and 2023...

[@Lerkero]

Maybe they were laid off because they weren't doing a good enough job

[@Trollkungen1]

@Lerkero 500,000 in 3 years... okay

[@ud7845]

We have plenty of US talent. The problem is companies don't want to pay them US salaries. Another problem is we haven't invested into our future enough, because we have priced many American's out of becoming engineers through these insane tuition rates, or underfunding primary education to the point where kids don't even see engineering as a realistic path for them.

[@TKINcaidduh3jp]

I have a problem that universities hand out Masters and Doctorates like candy to people on Student visas while native born Americans have to work harder to get them! Then these same student visa holders stay in the states instead of returning home (and helping their countries as the USA would like you to believe) they take the jobs from others in the same fields. Look it up, it's another form of DEI that's been around for a long time!

[@mylessalmon2569]

There are education issues, and personal preferences.

[@Deansmina]

It’s not education. I’m in tech. You’re being replaced. Laying off the hiring H1 - this is a total disaster for Americans

[@KXYZ32]

No. Most are lazy and pretentious

[@mateowannacomedyremasterz6605]

@ud7845 this is such a bad take. I wish my phone wasn't on 2%. Hopefully later I remember to give you better push back to a really bad argument

[@BruceWing]

There is no such thing as a “labor shortage”. There is such a thing as a “labor shortage at this wage”.

[@davidwong5197]

H1B is not for labor shortage. It is for PhD and Michelin chef.

[@BruceWing]

@ - … which are needed from afar because wages are too low for locals to go to the trouble.

[@davidwong5197]

@LoyaltyIsEarned I thought O1 are for special people like John Lennon. H1B are for HIGHLY skilled engineers. There is also H2B for non-skill labor. If I am a Michelin chef where would I fall under? Whatever it is we need reform, cuz we DO want TOP talent in our country. China has a thousand talent program actively recruiting top talent and we are effing around the visa. Why should we have H2B any way,

[@BruceWing]

@@acyclicallycyclic - It takes years to create a doctor (aka supply). If demand goes up dramatically (via legal and/or illegal immigration), there will be an increase in price for ALL users of the service… even if the immigrants paid 100% of the cost they incurred.

[@stephenalexander3104]

The O-1 visa already exists for collecting global talent. H-1B is 100 percent for saving money.

[@utah_koidragon7117]

Apparently there are just no jobs of any sort that Americans are willing and capable of doing. Americans won't do manual labor jobs, won't do manufacturing jobs, and now they can't or won't do skilled tech jobs. Guess we better all get comfortable in mom's basement while our betters import masses of foreigners to do our work for us. The reality is that Americans will do these jobs when they are paid at American wages. And companies will pay those wages when they aren't allowed import cheap labor from overseas. And companies WILL find Americans to do these jobs, and do them well. Just like SpaceX has.

[@bereal3095]

Fact Check: The way spaceX brings in H1B is that they give out sub-contracts to vendors who hire “H1B” to get the job done.

[@maroonrebel]

THANK YOU! HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

[@MichelleMikey-el6pb]

Yes. Exactly correct

[@shoegirl407]

I agree 💯

[@davidwong5197]

I read a post from a guy that was hired by TSMC in AZ on reddit. He quitted after one month of traing in Taiwan. He said folks in Taiwan worked VERY hard and expect him to work hard too. So he quitted. BTW SpaceX used a lot of H1B.

[@sathishr7774]

I am an average engineer in india. Please ban H1b so that good engineers stay here and develop our nation.

[@sathishr7774]

@marmosetman already have one

[@marmosetman]

@@sathishr7774 yeah, and if these engineers that studied in stanford and berkeley with 10yrs experience flood the Indian job Market. What will happen?

[@sathishr7774]

@@marmosetmanits good for india 🇮🇳 . They will start their own company here which will create jobs.

[@bebinadebbarma1411]

​@@marmosetman It will be better for India.

[@aman-qj5sx]

@@sathishr7774 So if you want talent in India, ask your government to treat their engineers better and pay better salaries/create incentives. It's not America's job. India is a democracy, your opposition parties need to grow a spine and fight.

[@drajdew1664]

I am on H1B visa and have first hand experience. The intention of H1B visa is good: Bring foreign workers for hi tech positions which can't be filled with American citizens. In reality , most if not all, H1B visas are filled in to bring in cheaper tech work force which can easily be done with American citizens. Big biz and billionaires want cheaper labor and hence Musk and team are rooting for H1Bs. In essence, H1Bs are to replace American workers with cheaper workers.

[@Lillyblossom14]

Why can it not be filled with American citizens? Talent? Or what? We have the talent and everything but companies choose cheap labor to our detriment

[@benji-t7v]

Thanks for the honesty

[@davidwong5197]

@Lillyblossom14 The idea of H1B is you bring in the super star and the Michelin chef. A French Math Nobel prize winner was just hired by China. They too have a lot of talent but this guy is special. Well, it seems H1B was abused. I am for bringing in the super star not cheap labor.

[@MyName-gq2co]

@Lillyblossom14 H1B is for cheap labor because companies do not have to pay a foreigner an American wage or give them benefits. An example is a biotech firm needs researchers but must pay an American worker 90K plus benefits, but can "sponsor" a foreigner for only 40K with no benefits, then who do you think they will choose? A foreigner will take the lower wage because they are required to find a full-time job in a certain time frame or they get sent back. Many Americans are skilled/ talented, but are being pushed out because of cheap labor.

[@notaweeb3787]

I disagree that the intention of H-1B was good. The advent of H-1B was a collusion among academia, corporations, and government to depress American wages and extract wealth from the middle-class to the extremely wealthy. Displacing American labor was the original goal.

[@canadianroots7681]

Employer based visas enables indentured servitude. My family Lived this. For 3 years, I barely saw my father. And then the company let him go without cause and without honouring his contract. My senior year of high school, we were stuck 2,000 miles from home without legal status. My dad went back to Canada, took the first job he could find, just to pay our mortgage while my parents figured out how to get out of this mess. Financially, it was devastating. My family continued to believe that the US offered us a better future. Seven years after the start of our first ordeal, my dad got a request from his employer to move to the US. This time, we didn’t set foot across the border until we had our green cards in hand.

[@k.s.nichols4060]

Perhaps Robby doesn't realize that there are a great many capable folks from India who are happy to do his job for half the wage.

[@Lord_technofascist_nepobaby]

So many people from India and China would do the self-sacrificial thing of applying to leave their non-mediocre cultures just to join our mediocre American culture as Vivek put it. They would trade in their socialist-programmed countries with less than a million immigrants for our lousy American oligarchy, because...they care about Americans, and they want to help us keep winning!

[@maroonrebel]

Jah & Jahes love. Please send an email to the Human Resources at the HIll and cc Robby Soave. There are plenty of foreigners with accents like Nail's who are willing to do his job.

[@chesscomsupport8689]

Was Saagar only getting paid half of what Robby is getting? That's outrageous!

[@EquivalentZero]

So our competitors, like China, don't need to import foreign labor on the cheap to be competitive in tech. Russia, Israel, etc. also don't have mass immigration. They are tech superpowers. But it's vital that we increase migration with low wage H1B visas? Why? That's not bringing in the world's geniuses. Why is it so critical that America go out of its way to import these low wage foreigners that enrich greedy corporations at the expense of the American worker? Is it just because people like Robbie want America to "win" with AI against China? What does that even mean?

[@walterwilliams1791]

Robby is clueless

[@greeneyedcat10110]

We should be hiring from Russia and China to be competitive re: engineering. India does not have particularly skilled engineers, just "coders" and we already have a massive surplus of those already.

[@Lord_technofascist_nepobaby]

It is Robby's libertarian principle that you and everyone has the right to be exploited, and the rich have the right to exploit others, and the rest of us just have to watch and let it happen as if it doesn't affect us.

[@KXYZ32]

The USA belongs to the most innovative and dedicated people. Some MAGA are qualified, while most are otherwise. If they do not like it that way, they can leave.

[@LigmusCrotum]

None of the countries you mentioned are tech leaders. Israel is to an extent only in some limited areas. "H1B jobs" aren't low wage, they are mandated to be identical wage to that of regular workers. They are also capped at 85k, representing .05% to .7% of tech jobs. The highest H1B employing companies are foriegn origin companies operating in the US, get rid of H1Bs and those companies will go somewhere else. They are unlikely to hire US citizens because they are foreign companies with foreign language requirements.

[@dianel3522]

So Robbie… You are saying that it is OK to throw Americans that want these jobs under the bus, and it’s OK to manipulate immigrant replacements, so that we can remain on top in technology? Good job getting in line behind President Mosque. instead… Here’s an idea… How about we fill those jobs with American workers first, fill in the gaps with the help of immigrants, and still remain on top?

[@maroonrebel]

Great comment. I don't trust Robby's intentions on this issue. I feel that he wants foreigners to fill the tech jobs because they will most likely go along with any wrongdoing of the tech companies. I know that they are paid well because they live a higher quality of life in New York City. Meanwhile, the natives who are willing to be trained for these positions are dismissed and pushed down. I feel that Robby is so wrong, and I'm disappointed in his perspective.

[@vincentvangogh8092]

he says we should look at this and so on but noone is looking at it, least of all trump who is your billionaire enabling oligarch leader

[@utah_koidragon7117]

People keep saying the program is capped at 85,000 H1B visas a year, but that's NEW visas. Renewals aren't capped, and there are more than 800,000 H1B workers in the country right now. That's getting close to a million jobs held by foreigners just on this one program.

[@vincentvangogh8092]

and its not people with skills that americans dont have there is another visa for that, H1B is Disgusting and it pushes down wages for Americans in the same field

[@lovecoversall-e9x]

😲 wow great comment 👍💯❤️

[@Rulesofliferoso]

Well then think about EAD-dependent working visa.. all my fellow lady coworkers are on that.. me who have masters in engineering with azure and snowflake certification gets lower paid than these bachelor’s in engineering non certified H1-b ladies due to my indian Telugu manager.. since i am off indian origin i get harassed by the manager tremendously ( cuse i am not from her state, nor am i a hindu) then these ladies spilled the beans of how they got job.. telugu agency run fake paychecks to make fake experience, then faking resume and even getting interview questions from insiders.. these ladies couldn’t work for more than 5 years due to pregnancy and also no EAD at that time due their husband’s green card processing hasn’t started .. so they faked 5 yrs of experience to get job.. how despicable.. this is what 75 percent of EAD /H1-b visa people do

[@Aellia-Art]

Filling jobs with American citizens should be a priority when hiring. Only if you cannot find a qualified candidate for a position should you even be looking outside for H1B visa candidates. There needs to be some checks when companies hire and sponsor these H1B visas that they’re required to check a box and confirm they interviewed a minimum number of US citizens before they’re allowed to sponsor a non citizen.

[@Poseidon-i4t]

That's already the law. And H1Bs aren't "technically" paid less than Americans. They can't, by law, be paid less than an American in the same position. What H1Bs definitely are made to do is overwork, which most Americans would absolutely refuse to do without overtime pay. So, in practice yes H1Bs do lower wages...

[@KXYZ32]

The USA belongs to the most innovative and dedicated people. Some MAGA are qualified, while most are otherwise. If they do not like it that way, they can leave.

[@maroonrebel]

Jah & Jahes love. You make a good point. I think that a lot of these tech companies seek "talent" in foreign countries because they've underdevelopped the pool of elligible tech workers in the U.S. So, there's already a defiicit which makes them justified to go seek workers in other countries. And, that's a real shame.

[@joshuaerickson2458]

What if the qualification is that you work for half the pay of an American?

[@maroonrebel]

@@joshuaerickson2458 LOL! I can't believe that!

[@laurenpaer252]

Robby’s reason is he wants to be dominant over China. Though plenty of Chinese are going to come with these visas, learn what our tech companies, and take it back to China. This has happened and will continue to happen. If a small percent of HIB visa holders do this, it will massively undermine our competitiveness. Likely more so than not having this class of visa holders.

[@KXYZ32]

Just to be fair, most H-1b holders eventually become US citizens (or permanent residents), despite taking years. Some start their own business, providing high-income jobs for US citizens. That indirectly sustains the US as a high-income country.

[@maroonrebel]

@@KXYZ32 Are you sure about that? Please provide the raw numbers with the demographic information. Foreign-born people are sympathetic to their own concerns.

[@hanfucolorful9656]

These days in China those come from the US no longer in the leading position in tech section, for example, even heard of the word: DeepSeek? it core team member are 100% Made in China. Check KZbin title: China's new AI model breakthrough

[@laurenpaer252]

@@KXYZ32 As I mentioned, if a small percent of (Chinese) H1B visa holders do this, it will have a big impact. Let's say 95% become citizens and 5% are going back to China to share trade secrets from our tech companies. That would massively undermine our competitiveness wrt China.

[@jasoneggleston1879]

They are not just given to high-skilled workers. In fact a large part of the program works off of a lottery. There is significant abuse of this program for companies to hire entry-level skilled positions for much cheaper wages. The intent of it is good the execution is flawed and corrupt and pretending otherwise is pure sophistry.

[@user-xp7io2vm4q]

How about we make college and technical schools affordable to Americans? They want to get rid of Pell grants.

[@EdwardAbbeyLIVES]

Seriously??? I wouldn't have been able to go to college without the pell grant! That's without a doubt one of the best programs the feds have ever come up with!!!

[@bigbigdog]

Software engineer here with 15+ years of experience. I've worked for big companys like Oracle and IBM. And yet I've been layoff for 1.5 years and still can't find a job. They don't want American workers. They want cheap labor from overseas who they can exploit, PERIOD.

[@ericwilliams1023]

The policy is just for financial gain. If you think there are no Engineers here you are crazy. Someone being Forgein born doesn't make them a better engineer.

[@kristineyost6977]

There is not enough engineers. The best man for the job wins Not some American engineer with a c, or d, point average.

[@ericwilliams1023]

@kristineyost6977 😂😂😂 Cleary you don't know any Black or HBCU engineers. Don't be mad because Jethro can't figure it out😂😂

[@lucassevey5989]

No it just means you can pay them less

[@lisov4575]

According to Google, and Microsoft, it does.

[@kristineyost6977]

@ericwilliams1023 who cares if they are black, white, orange . The deal is, ok. You have to hire someone for a engineering job. There is a shortage of Americans for this job. So you look for a foreign guy. The bottom line is Americans have to work hard if they want to be the best, and no, foreign engineers and others do not get paid less. Now hiring someone in India to make something for less money is another story.

[@pierce4026]

H1B let’s private companies sell us citizenship as an employment benefit

[@vincentvangogh8092]

it pushes down wages for everyone jimmy chan on 70k is a better programmer why should i pay you 100k jimmy is not a better programmer btw

[@SundarbansCompanySite]

Disney is the worst, they don't even interview non H1b holders for Tech roles

[@tm-pj4eb]

All H1B occupied positions should be made publicly available, and qualified US citizens should be able to challenge.

[@KXYZ32]

Filing an H-1b application costs a considerable fortune. No employer would do that if they could find a better US alternative.

[@drajdew1664]

@@KXYZ32 I am on H1B and I can attest most H1B is to find cheaper workers. Also, it does not cost a fortune to file H1B. i takes !$2K to file H1B after lawyers fee. All H1B applications are pretty standard and does law first does it for cheaper for bigger companies.

[@maroonrebel]

Jah & Jahes love. I agree 100%!

[@lancemusashi6368]

@@KXYZ32 I'm a software engineer directly working with H1B's and they are not any more special than the US engineers we have. They are average, just like any other. Many Americans apply for those jobs and do well on the interviews, but if the interviewer or hiring manager themselves are H1B, they get rejected in favor of an H1B applicant. They can just say that the American candidate was not qualified even though they performed equally in the interview. The company pays for it, but the hiring manager is not the company. They don't personally have to pay for it. You think we are all suckers who will believe your bs.

[@KXYZ32]

@@lancemusashi6368 a lot of “coincidences” in your comment, and you want to generalize it to a much broader circumstance. Plus you call your coworkers “average.” Hopefully, they or your supervisor do not call you the same. Have a nice day.

[@utah_koidragon7117]

Robby is flatly incoherent on this topic.

[@utah_koidragon7117]

@@randallwinters7387 Not a fire-able offense, imo, he's got a good performance record. Just gibberish on this, though. Everyone falls flat on their face occasionally.

[@joshuaerickson2458]

Its pretty clear he wants to replace us with foriegners and AI

[@davidwong5197]

@@utah_koidragon7117 He is a libertarian. Ask Ron Paul, and he will tell you the same thing. The labor issue has always been a Democrat thing. It is not the Republican position. You are now owning a Democrat position.

[@liuj88]

​@@davidwong5197 I'm not sure what you're talking about. Did Dems ever oppose H1B?

[@davidwong5197]

@@liuj88 Yes they do. They have a huge demonstration outside our company when we were supporting H1B expansion. Remember Dem are union based.

[@paull8638]

I am a staunch capitalist who embraces free market principle where the best talent prevails. However, our country has turned into an anti-meritocracy system where people are not judged based on their ability. For examples: 1)Physician assistants and nurse practitioners have been allowed to treat and even perform surgeries on patients in place of doctors (With MD degree) 2)The hiring of Indian “highly-skilled” workers is often done through companies in India which makes up questionable credentials for the job applicants. Furthermore, there has been suspicions that the hiring managers in the tech companies collude with those companies.

[@maroonrebel]

OMG! Who allows PAs to perform surgeries? Please report them asap! And, I'm so not surprised that hiring companies in other countries forge documents for their workers, who probably pay them high fees.

[@paull8638]

The problem is that our government allows PA’s to perform as MD’s (doctors). The only way for the public to protect themselves is to be aware of this sad reality and insist on being seen by doctors only.

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

​​@@paull8638The problem is that you associate all society's problems with "gubmint" and not the people who control the government Hint it's the capitalist "meritocracy"

[@dagforster7627]

It's not about lack of native tech talent, it's about cheap labor that's under the control of employers. Unsubscribed, finally. Goodbye, Robbie.

[@imranshaik2282]

what are you waiting for if there is talent ? build companies and compete with China and Russia etc. do it already! why are you waiting for someones approval? let me know when you start a company and feel stuck , I will give you a H1B employee to you to save you !! I am always here to help you

[@LeenaKumari-u8z]

You delusional play ball rather than reading

[@snowrose101]

Btw, Elon Musk came to the US on a STUDENT visa, not an H1-B (skilled workers) visa.

[@maroonrebel]

Jah & Jahes love. Yes, that makes sense. He attended the University of Pennsylvania and went on to Stanford for a graduate degree. I just wanna know when he became qualified for an H1B Visa. Was it after he dropped out of Stanford and started the business with his brother? His Student Visa was probably extended so that he could matriculate at Stanford. (I will buy his biography and read it as soon as I can).

[@RealGrandFail]

H-1B or Student Visa, the complaint would still be the same and all foreign students are required to get an H-1B after their OTP expires but if they miss the lottery, most go to Canada.

[@snowrose101]

@RealGrandFail You're ignoring the fact that Musk was on a student visa but didn't report to school, so he was here illegally.

[@snowrose101]

@@maroonrebel Per his brother, Musk did not report to school at some point when he had his student visa. Instead, he started illegally working on creating a company. When he tried to sell the company, the purchasers insisted he settle his visa status before they would close the deal.

[@maroonrebel]

@@RealGrandFailWhat’s OTP?

[@oneeyedrob]

Here comes Robby trying to put kids back in the coal mines…. Like he has always

[@utah_koidragon7117]

Seriously. Did not expect him to advocate for a return to child labor.

[@dmitriyk4322]

I don't think you guys watch the show often if it's so shocking.

[@CashMoolah00]

You guys were always blind to his take because Brianna overshadowed him

[@hevenstansen2]

Dark humor, not really funny and definitely not what Robby said, not even close.

[@utah_koidragon7117]

@@hevenstansen2 It actually was. Unless he thinks child labor laws banned childhood chores or something.

[@steveharley2021]

Fortunately, my son just graduated with a chemical engineering degree from the University of Washington and unlike all of his friends who took electrical engineering and computer science majors was able to quickly find a job. Most of them haven't been able to find a job yet. I think the hiring boom for them is not necessarily over but definitely slowing down.. which leads me to believe that there's too many of them pursuing too few jobs in that field.

[@maroonrebel]

It's not surprising that your son, armed with a BS in Chemical Engineering, would have found suitable employment before his cohorts who earned degrees in other branches of the field. The Petroleum industry is hiring lots of chemical engineers. I've met quite a few, and they get paid six figures working for Big Oil in Texas and other places. Meanwhile, it doesn't take much stress from storms and other so-called natural disasters to undo the electricity in many places around the U.S. For instance, there are people in the Gulf Coast and Florida who still don't have power because of the most recent hurricane. The Engineers that the incoming administration wants to hire are Tech folks who earned degrees in Computer Science. And, apparently, China graduates about 250 thousand students in this field every year. I feel that they should keep them home to better their society and culture. Meanwhile, we need to better our health outcomes so that our students can do better in school and choose STEM fields.

[@groveh1]

Easy fix, maybe. Have H1-B visa participants get paid 110% of normal wages. If indeed they ARE needed where American workers aren't available...

[@KXYZ32]

Fun fact, yes. Most H-1b holders get paid more than their native counterparts. They are just more dedicated, skilled, and honor.

[@Rulesofliferoso]

@@KXYZ32 they do get more pay but don’t say all of them are skilled.. all my fellow lady coworkers are on that.. me who have masters in engineering with azure and snowflake certification gets lower paid than these bachelor’s in engineering non certified H1-b ladies due to my indian Telugu manager.. since i am off indian origin i get harassed by the manager tremendously ( cuse i am not from her state, nor am i a hindu) then these ladies spilled the beans of how they got job.. telugu agency run fake paychecks to make fake experience, then faking resume and even getting interview questions from insiders.. these ladies couldn’t work for more than 5 years due to pregnancy and also no EAD at that time due their husband’s green card processing hasn’t started .. so they faked 5 yrs of experience to get job.. how despicable.. this is what 75 percent of EAD /H1-b visa people do.. even their husband’s started of with dirty tricks to get till the green card processing.. they were hired by good companies by submitting fake resume, one of the guy even got job by not attending interview( well it was phone interview and agency hired guy attended the interview for him)and was shipping their work till they learn the job to some engineer who was in need of money.. for example if the company want a azure snowflake developer this H1-b guy might only know oracle and informatica but he fakes his resume stating he got exp in azure and snowflake .. when there might be us citizens with legit experience might not even get called for an interview.. this dude might even get in.. thats what is happening right now

[@rayray9176]

The solution is to charge employers an annual 50% tariff/tax on visa workers salary so it isn’t cheaper to hire visa workers over Americans. Start it with any worker hired after 2024 to be fair. Then they would only do it when absolutely necessary.

[@KXYZ32]

The USA belongs to the most innovative and dedicated people. Some MAGA are qualified, while most are otherwise. If they do not like it that way, they can leave.

[@maroonrebel]

Good idea! Those employers would turn around and train the native pool of workers really quickly.

[@Mk101T]

@@KXYZ32 If you are a real person ... your donation of time and effort here on the internet can be replaced by AI. So that you can then donate time picking produce .

[@brentjackson6966]

The government should have a yearly auction of H1B visas. Whichever company truly needs foreign workers the most should be willing to pay the most to import them. The money made from these auctions should be used to provide training for American workers in whatever fields are so deficient that foreign workers are needed. That way next year there will be a trained American for the job and the company won't need a foreigner to do the job.

[@maroonrebel]

That's a very good idea. I will copy and post on my X feed. Happy Holidays!

[@davidwong5197]

Not a bad idea

[@Proud_American_95]

20 years worked in Healthcare.. Laid off in Nov2023 to be replaced with foreign workers. The lay off was for thousands of us American citizens. Most of us in the 50's. Unbelievable what is happening to us citizens.

[@maroonrebel]

Jah & Jahes love. I'm sorry about what happened to you. I'm 55, and I was born in NYC. I understand your frustration. And I'm shocked that foreign workers have been hired to replace healthcare workers. Do they even speak English? Have they passed the proper state exams to become certified to work with our population?

[@maroonrebel]

Jah & Jahes love. I hope that this is a true story. I'm copying and pasting it to my X feed to spread the word. This is very unfortunate.

[@shawn2380]

They aren't high skilled, they are just cheaper. He had it right in 2016. Come in Donald don't let us down now.

[@Lillyblossom14]

With fake degrees. We are 10 million time better than them

[@lolabunny9013]

He sided wit President Musk because he gave him millions in donations. The idea he has not let MAGA down is laughable.

[@mehtabbandesha5637]

😂😂 Your Doctors is or was on H1B too

[@lnbt1]

H1B after working 5 years in US, they are allow to apply for a green card. In IT, while H1Bs are working here, they are trained and rotate the job every 6 months. Once they got the green card, they got the key to be treated like American now. They can demand the same pay or higher pay than the average (American) workers, with more (trained) experienced. This is how the average Indians (who already converted to a green card) are making above average Americans.

[@daviddavid-cu8nz]

THIS H1B ARGUMENT IS BS !! I'm a contract engineer not by choice, and I have an MSEE. The tech agencies say this is the worst tech job market they have seen in the last 6-7 years. The number of engineering jobs, and their salaries have dropped significantly over the last few years.

[@Demirak]

Dear US as an indian i request you to abolish the h1B visas ASAP. Here selfish students study in our IIT's on our tax money and then migrate to somewhere else, it will be a good control mechanism so that they dont leave india and rather create jobs here

[@ToniGeiselman]

You work your whole life. Let 12 year olds be kids. Has he lost his mind?

[@hkhodges8487]

It's all a good argument for unionization bu industry. And Robby - if medical tech in the US is so great, why are we rated so low for lifespan?

[@JosephMurphy-bd1li]

Over eating might be a contributing factor to the short lifespan .

[@utah_koidragon7117]

We're rated so low for lifespan because we choose to live unhealthy lifestyles. On the side, medical tech is prioritized for profit, not health.

[@richspizzaparty]

Obesity

[@maroonrebel]

@@JosephMurphy-bd1li Folks in the U.S. have poor nutrition because the quality of food is not as good as in Europe and some other places. And we don't have the proper health care. Our health is not as good as people with similar income brackets in Europe, for instance. They overeat because they are trying to get the nutrition that they need from food that is not well-sourced.

[@ericwilliams1023]

This Kid is delusional

[@jasonlopez4855]

Bring up the wages and everything goes up higher. My grandfather told me about this year's ago and I see it the last 4 years Riley bad. This is not helping no one wage goes up and housing, food, gas, car's, health insurance. It doesn't matter because it will never match up to be the same need two jobs to get past that.

[@RAMESHKOTIKALAPUDI]

Like the older and wiser host pointed out, it's not just the lower wages, it's the vulnerability of the H1-B employees because of their precarious status that makes them extremely malleable. They can be made to work 60+ hours in a week easily without any compensation. So even if on paper the companies are able to show they are somewhat matching the wages all this extra time is the big hidden benefit that the employers get. Not to mention the ease with which they can extract this huge extra time from the extremely softened H1-B employees.

[@blw3331]

It is not a definite statement either way. Just because someone is an H1B worker doesn’t mean they are highly skilled so he’s saying he’s trying to stop the abuse of the visa program to hire cheap workers over American workers.

[@Worldlackscommonsense1]

For those of you hating on H1Bs, just know that is the only merit based way to immigrate to America. Other ways- family based, lottery system. Or illegally.

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

It isnt many times

[@JRRLewis]

O-1 visas are the truly merit based ones. Those are for the best of the best in their fields.

[@Worldlackscommonsense1]

@@JRRLewisO1 are not really used much by foreigners because they are impossible to get approved. Used predominantly by those already in US on student visa once they have improved their resume by research in big American universities. H1 is the only realistic way to come in legally and gain residency/citizenship.

[@GearForTheYear]

H-1B IS LOTTERY BASED

[@Worldlackscommonsense1]

@@GearForTheYearcheck the proper process of getting H1Bs. How many applicants? How many get it? Employer has to choose this employees. But only a handful of those chosen get H1B.

[@notsure278]

American shareholders and oligarchs first.

[@Proud_American_95]

H1-B workers are not paying any federal or local taxes. Why ????

[@maroonrebel]

No WAY! Why not?

[@roy8365]

Not true🙂

[@Proud_American_95]

@@roy8365 Let me more specific: An exempt H-1B nonimmigrant is an H-1B worker who meets one of the following statutory standards: Receives $60,000 annual wages; or. Has attained a master's or higher degree (or its equivalent) in a specialty related to the intended H-1B employment.

[@davidwong5197]

@@Proud_American_95 Here's a quick google and you are WRONG. If you are a nonresident and working in the US on an H1B visa, you will be taxed on money that you make in the US, at the same rate as US citizens. You must file a US tax return (Form 1040NR), but you can not claim the same deductions as US citizens However, H1B is exempted from FICA and Medicare tax. To be more specific. exempt H1B visa is not exempt from taxes, it is exempt from the cap.

[@sourabstyles3118]

You are wrong. They pay taxes.

[@dancinginabundance]

A quote from Vivek and I wholeheartedly agree. "Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence," Ramaswamy wrote in a long X post that argued that foreign workers improve the US economy. "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian [the top student in a class], will not produce the best engineers," he wrote.

[@redbuttafly72]

Straight from AI.. Oh I thought it was only 85,000 a year.....wrong! "For fiscal year 2009, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) received around 163,000 H1B petitions, but the exact number of approvals isn't specified ². It's worth noting that the number of initial and continuing H1B visa approvals has averaged around 329,000 per year from FY 2009 to 2022, with approximately 115,000 initial and 214,000 continuing approvals ¹." Now let that sink in...

[@jackcross5446]

All i hear from Nial is - "I am for anything that might make Trump look bad, and against anything that might make Trump look good".

[@pauliseri935]

I remember hearing that the chip co's were having a hard time hiring people talented enough and weren't willing to work unless there were higher wages

[@timo2571]

The biggest advantage of the H-1B program is for national security. That may sound odd but no non-citizen is going to be able to work on ITAR related things whether it be military radar software, missile systems, military drone designers, etc. The advantage comes from being able to enlarge the pool of citizens who can work on these programs. I'm not talking about military personnel but government contractors. If everyone is working on AI for the GOOG, who's doing it for companies like RTX or Gen Dynamics?

[@anthonycarroll6863]

Trump is wrong on this and im surprised hes taking this position.

[@krismadsen6438]

The law does state that Americans have first opportunity

[@lisov4575]

Sorry, but it's never good to substitute a struggling Computer Science graduate who's looking for a job, with an advanced Mathematics Degree arrival from New Delhi or Guangdong. Instead of making sure American students are more competitive, and more educated, we just give up on them altogether "Because we want to make sure America has a competitive Edge in AI". Never mind the opioid crisis, never mind the minorities, and the poor while rural families. Essentially Trump caved under pressure from Big Tech who said they will destroy him, if he goes against their profits. We'll substitute everyone here, if it means MORE MONEY. It doesn't matter if the pres. is Joe Biden or Donald Trump. The house, ALWAYS wins. Don't you dare touch the Big Tech in US!

[@maroonrebel]

Jah & Jahes love. I'm not at ALL convinced that this is all about cheap labor. I think that Big Tech is misguided, they are ignoring the Native population who has not used their services for a pool of workers who will send all or most of their earnings back home. The Big Tech is trying to change the socio-political landscape for decades to come. The incoming H1B Visa holders are not pro-democratic or Independent. Their children will be raised with their values, and they will continue to dismiss the needs of the low-wealth people in the U.S. We need Social Sciences, Humanities experts, and Demographers to help us understand what is going on here. This same strategy has been used in previous centuries and in Brazil to whiten the population by justifying the process with the supposed brain power of the coveted immigrant group. It's sick and we should protest.

[@charlesjolly5169]

I work industrial construction with many elect and mech engineers and Indian engineers are below avg putting it mildly.Dude in glasses does not have a clue.Mexicans have taken all the lawn jobs. Where does this guy life in fantasy land?

[@vox-populi-vox-dei-]

Like Barack Obama said, every American some time back he or she, his or her self or his or her some one was on visa once, except those native Americans aka Red Indians 😊😊😊

[@ajiisss]

As of 2022, there were approximately 600,000 H-1B visa holders employed by around 50,000 employers in the United States. Thats just a fraction of people that walk across the border on a tuesday morning.

[@davidryke113]

As a security analyst and former H-1B visa employee, I have to say that there is a shortage of skilled engineers in the US. I've had to train several college grads with basics like AWS, GCP, and Kubernetes because they aren't training them in schools as part of the cariculums. These are basic tech requirements from tech invented in the US, and kids with BSc in Computer Science aren't learning properly cloud computing. So what Vivek and Elon is saying is true there. However, I did get a cheaper salary than the rest, so theirs that too. There is truth in both sides of this argument.

[@davidryke113]

@acyclicallycyclic So first off, I'm South African originally. There's an entire world of skilled engineers out there. Secondly, to answer your question, I recon it would be the same experience for me, and that would be the cost of living expenses included with employment. When I first got here I was given a package that included lodgings and gas allowance paid for by the company worked with and after I gained citizenship all those benefits went away and I had to pay for all that by myself with an obviously higher salary after the contract ended. So yes, the salary was less, but so were the costs of living I had, so it balanced itself out.

[@Rulesofliferoso]

⁠ there is nooo shortage of skilled workers here.. .. me who have masters in engineering with azure/AWS and snowflake certification gets lower paid than these bachelor’s in engineering non certified H1-b ladies due to my indian Telugu manager.. since i am off indian origin i get harassed by the manager tremendously ( cuse i am not from her state, nor am i a hindu) then these ladies spilled the beans of how they got job.. telugu agency run fake paychecks to make fake experience, then faking resume and even getting interview questions from insiders.. these ladies couldn’t work for more than 5 years due to pregnancy and also no EAD at that time due their husband’s green card processing hasn’t started .. so they faked 5 yrs of experience to get job.. how despicable.. this is what 75 percent of EAD /H1-b visa people do.. even their husband’s started of with dirty tricks to get till the green card processing.. they were hired by good companies by submitting fake resume, one of the guy even got job by not attending interview( well it was phone interview and agency hired guy attended the interview for him)and was shipping their work till they learn the job to some engineer who was in need of money.. for example if the company want a azure snowflake developer this H1-b guy might only know oracle and informatica but he fakes his resume stating he got exp in azure and snowflake .. when there might be us citizens with legit experience might not even get called for an interview.. this dude might even get in.. thats what is happening right now I know thousands of indian origin US citizen techies thru networking events.. they all been looking for jobs for more than a year .. true talents but no luck.. some say they have to clean up the mess their fellow H1-b techies make and unable to complain cuse manager is also H1-b. Some forced by indian managers to fake interview US citizens ( they are legit talends) but been told not to hire and then manger go and tell to HR that there is shortage of talent and we need to hire agency.. agency who is frnd with this manager brings H1-b people and they who don’t even have certification gets the job easily Also now most graduates are american indians they have the indian brain but better cuse they ain’t playing any dirty tricks.. if they get chance they will excel better than these mediocre H1-b visa people.. sorry what i meant is they will do better than 95% of H1-b people since only 5 percent of h1-b is actually true talent right🫣

[@jeffwilliams6389]

I'm beginning to think he just wants to be on the opposite side of right leaning people

[@jhig13]

I agree with Nial on this one.

[@thomasrogers9146]

I HAVE TO CHINA. THEY GRADUATE OVER 4 MILLION STEM GRADES EVER YEAR. THIS IS SCIENCE TECHNOLOGY ENGINEERING AND MATH. THE U.S GRADUATES AROUND OR LESS THAN 500,000 STEM A YEAR. THIS IS WHY CHINA IS LEADING IN 57 OUT OF 64 LEADING TECHNOLOGIES AND FILES MORE PATENTS AND WRITES MORE RESEARCH PAPERS THAN ANY OTHER NATION.

[@maroonrebel]

China and India both have a population of almost 1.5 billion people. And, it's a good reflection of their education system that they are graduating as many STEM students. The U.S. has about one-fifth of its population and should graduate at least 1 million students in STEM to stay competitive. We need to improve our healthcare system considerably and provide good health services from K-12 and through College and Graduate school. These clinics have to be accessible on the same site as the institution, and hopefully, they can serve the entire household where the students live.

[@dogodances9444]

The thing no one is asking is CEO or executive salaries that is feeding this inequality. Even if h1b was stopped or reduced, it will be replaced with outsourced jobs till AI catches up to replace those jobs. The end result is that it will maximize profits and improve stock prices and result in higher salaries but for a few individuals . Its a fundamental question.. How much economic value do we think these top executives contribute and how much should they ultimately be paid. If for profit is sole measure of a company's success, then these top executives should be paid a lot even at cost of majority of people being out of jobs or being able to earn even a decent wage to maintain a reasonable standard of living. Its the crux of the issue ..imo

[@BrianBerry-jw7qu]

This program like other started out with good motives. Of course over time, relaxed enforcement leads to abuses. So suppose we fix it… it’ll undoubtedly slide back into disrepair, guaranteed.

[@Rulesofliferoso]

There is no shortage for tech workers.. my husband is a data engineer, he ,his friends, more than 500 other techies we know are unable to switch their jobs, we all are American citizens of indian origin ( got the same india Brain but better, cuse we don’t fake experience like the H1-B)due to overflow of engineers this year no pay raise either. When my husband( already he is not getting the real pay) asked his manager she said atleast u got a job, there are many H1-b willing to take your job for lower salary than you

[@shoegirl407]

The way Niall looks at Robby after he makes his point is hilarious! He’s serious too. Well done 👍 both of you.

[@richardfranc8512]

Robbby have no idea what he’s talking about. Coming man, it’s common sense that cheap foreign workers make big tech companies more money.

[@maroonrebel]

Jah & Jahes love. And, what do these foreign workers or H1B Visas contribute to our society and culture? Elon Musk has married several times, and he has 12 children who were all born in the U.S. We hope and pray that his kids, who will inherit his massive wealth valued at $480 billion, will use the money to develop the U.S. infrastructure so that we can all benefit and thrive.

[@Htruman-u7z]

Trump thinks the alphabet ends at "G". How did Muck ever explain the "H" 1B visa to him?

[@rncgsu]

Trump in 2016 "I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."

[@lovecoversall-e9x]

Trump 2024 just recently said..I love the H1B program and use them on my properties.

[@tmcfaddenva]

I it true that engineering enrollment in U. S. is on a down trend?

[@JRSmith-i3u]

I worked for years at a senior level within corporate IT. The idea of better talent is a myth. Sourcing was forced down our throats - there was no assessment, no debate. Outside consultants and finance people convinced VPs and CEOs that it would be cheaper, benefits would be cut and that we could commoditize certain roles - primarily programming which is not complex IT. VPs also loved that UK and indian workers kept their mouths shut. For senior tech leaders like me it was a nightmare language and context gaps, lack of big picture thinking and a mercenary type of thinking. The real complex jobs like lead engineer, architect could not be done by them. Its about perceived less cost(benefits) and VP ego (never admit a mistake).

[@KinoFlexReviews]

I heard a lot of assertions from Robby that having these cheap labor visa holders gives us an edge over China but without any evidence to speak of. If this is truly a winning strategy then why is China not doing the same thing? Why have other western countries who have implemented similar polices (UK, Canada) not get any of these desired results?

[@xfnloom]

People saying H1b visas is cheap labor don't even have an iota of basic knowledge. I have friends on h1b in my company who were paid the same or more than I do.

[@sunnythemighty]

Trump's policy is consistent with what he claims. He wants to keep international students who study and receive degrees from US institutions. The way to keep them is by offering an H1B visa first with the sponsor to start the legal path to becoming PR or citizens.

[@scurvy77777]

OMG. Niles doesn't know Robby supports child labor.

[@maroonrebel]

His name is spelled the Irish way-Nail.

[@Cbreal4973]

The problem has always been illegal immigration. Theres a tiny sliver of voters that are worried about legal immigrants. I have no problem with legal immigrants.

[@davidwong5197]

You do realize illegal immigration has been around for 60 years. Worst during the Bush years. Nothing changed/ This is because we are treating the symptom and not the cause.

[@stanleytolle416]

I was involved in a job surch group awhile back. IBM in my area had undergone deap lay offs and allot of these people were in the group. What I found interesting was allot of these highly skilled programers and engineers were not trained by college but were trained by the company. English major becoming a mainframe programer. There were even people with disabilities like poor eyesight and wheelchair users. All these people were highly skilled and productive at what they did. IBM had been taken over by the stock value people and contracted these guy's jobs overseas. IBM developed these people back with the idea of lifetime employment. Now it's hire and fire when needed. Of course with a lot of complaining that they can't find the skilled people they need.

[@GMK189-f2k]

Given Biden border collapse over past 4 years and immigration issue I understand change . Illegal issue is much greater than it was back in 2016. H1B is minimal impact.

[@utah_koidragon7117]

H1B's impact is not minimal. It's gutted entire fields for American workers.

[@GMK189-f2k]

@ thanks KZbin Karen. Reality is h1b workers often transition to green cars and ultimately US citizenship. They pay taxes and contribute to our society. Sorry but low numbers have not “guTTed” any field. Much better to keep jobs in USA than to farm them out to India and China.

[@davidwong5197]

Bush in 2006 has 12,2 M cross over and Biden has 1.5M this year. Did you protest in 2006?

[@NoOneCaresIckyThump]

It's no coincidence Minecraft is so popular. The children yearn for the mines.

[@Tyler_WI]

Anywhere I look, the overwhelming sentiment from comments, which somewhat relates to voters, is that the people do NOT like this program. Once again government and big corporations put their priorities ahead of the voters

[@rncgsu]

There are H1B visas for business analysts and accounting which plenty Americans are qualified

[@tammydorsey5856]

The division in this country based on race is the chickens coming home to roost thos all could have been avoided if so called good Americans hadn't sat back and watched it happen to us first

[@miamirob579]

the reporter on the left is spouting more conservative ideas than the one on the right who is seeming to be conservative.

[@jross3284]

in todays politics libertarians and maga/'right wingers' are more identical than "conservatives"...

[@cda345]

I’m sure Robby wouldn’t like losing his job to someone willing to do it for less…

[@champagnebulge1]

I'm with Neil on this. And why is Robbie assuming this H1B thing is about AI per se? He keeps invoking it

[@thomasriggins1299]

We are talking about people making 6 figures or greater , and we are worried they aren't getting paid enough? They should have to compete against foreign labor to drive the cost of business down . In the end , if you are worth more you'll get paid more .

[@thomasrogers9146]

AS TIM COOK CEO OF APPLE SAID ( IF I NEED ENGINEERS, I CAN NOT FILL A CONFERENCE ROOM IN AMERICA, IN CHINA I CAN FILL UP A STADIUM) THIS IS NOT ABOUT MONEY AND CHINA DOES NOT HAVE CHEAP LABOR.. THIS IS ABOUT AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE THE SKILLED AND EDUCATED WORKFORCE FOR HIGHLY TECHNICALLY SKILLED JOBS.

[@KXYZ32]

The USA belongs to the most innovative and dedicated people. Some MAGA are qualified, while most are otherwise. If they do not like it that way, they can just leave.

[@RAMESHKOTIKALAPUDI]

While what you said is true, now America belongs to the CEOs who can run the company with lowest cost and that's only possible by hiring cheap workers at the expense of US workers. Less than 10% of H1Bs are actually the kind of talent you're talking about.

[@bman6502]

Every American should be insulted with this BS about not having g skilled US workers… companies love visas because they can pay low wage and the worker can’t quit or they have to leave the country..

[@chwondearth4531]

Basically our only recourse is to stop buying what they are selling Make Malls great again, Ford and GM, cheap Smartphones...Until they understand who are their greatest consumers of what they produce... Otherwise it's bussiness as usual until you're training someone to take your position for your severance check

[@Rogueviewer1]

Easy solve: have Elon and Vivek hire all of the employees Silicon Valley has been hemorrhaging over last 24 months!

[@wytrose4602]

That's exactly what they do. They have bever allow others in just doubt!!!

[@LaurieCoco-t8z]

SOMETIMES < OKAY MOST OF THE TIME ROBBIE APPEARS TO BE A SNL CHARACTER OF HIMSELF, IS THIS ON PURPOSE? IF NOT PLEASE KNOW , IT IS HARD TO CONSIDER TAKING YOU SERIOUSLY

[@jross3284]

my thoughts too! like he really cant have friends and talk like this in circles OR... that circle is really twisted and archaic

[@davidwong5197]

@@jross3284 Do you know what a libertarian is? Free marjet bro

[@nigelcairns6203]

He is saying Americans are not the best.

[@andym4695]

"less labor power" - there ya go. "I'm rich and I want cheap labor so I can get even richer".

[@josephjenott931]

My take on it. The American people require not just a better economy, but an economy that serves the American people. Without a system or a garuntee that the wealth of industry will work its way down to the working class in such a matter that the American citizen can flourish, the industry will only benifit the ones who control the market.

[@anthonycarroll6863]

No Ribbie...im liking you less and less. We have great talent already here. We should win with 100% AMERICAN workers!!!

[@davidwong5197]

China leads in 47 out of 53 technologies according to ASPI. Can you win or want to win? I know I do.

[@kevinheaphyfit]

We want other countries best !

[@samirsawaged7171]

I am a victim of those visas.

[@maroonrebel]

How so? I wish that the H1B Visa holders would get with and marry U.S.-born people. We have many Asians (Chinese and Indiens) who would probably love to get with them.

[@milestackettmusic]

He said “ abuse”. So he’s pretty much in line.

[@beartrapperkc]

there is the battle between Elon and Bannon.

[@stanleytolle416]

One thing not mentioned is the ablity of this high skilled immigrants to move between jobs. Like it should not be a trapped worker to an employer. So persons of high skills should be allowed to work for employers who are willing to pay competitive wages with the right to change employers at will.