Doom Graphics And Audio in other id Games (Doom 64, RPG, Quake)

We already know id reused Wolfenstein assets, but did they also do the same for Doom? The answer? Yes. Don't know why I even asked.
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[@GermanPeter]

I hope you've enjoyed this last video of 2023! A few notes on the video: -Some of the games aren't technically id games, as they were made by other studios. The title just rolls of the tongue better than "Games based on Doom and also Quake". However, id did oversee the development of these at least. -I'm aware that I missed a bunch of sprites and textures in several games. The problem is that I rely heavily on the Spriters-Resource and the Textures-Resource, and if they aren't uploaded there, I'm missing out. Feel free to point them out in the comments! -I also know that Quake 3 contains more references to Doom (like the difficulty settings and the plasma gun), but A) I've never played it before this video and B) those aren't really graphics or audio.

[@HammysSleepy]

hello it is not 2023 😢

[@GermanPeter]

@@HammysSleepy You WOULD have seen that comment in time, had you been a patron of mine, but NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[@HammysSleepy]

@@GermanPeter hello... i would like to apologize i am sorry for being very inconsiderate in the past 20 minutes and for not becoming a patron i pray you can find it in your heart to forgive me

[@-Some-Guy-]

@@HammysSleepylmao

[@fischergriess6321]

​@@GermanPeter There is a "glaring" omission you didn't "see" (pun intended). The light fixtures from MAP06 in DOOM2 reappear on map E3M4 in Quake. Start MAP06 and look up. There they are: 6 of them, each one a small square with 5 fluorescent lamps. Start E3M4, walk a few steps forward, look up. There they are: 6 of them, each one a small square with 5 fluorescent lamps. Map E3M4 ("Satan's Dark Delight") from Quake is a bigger version of MAP06 from Doom II ("The Crusher"). They both have the same structure: both are two-section maps with the first part in both maps being an "Escape from rusty prison"/"Jailbreak" section with fodder enemies. Then there is a big ass elevator connecting to a second (larger and twice as vertical) section with bigger and meaner enemies. Finally, you then go back to the first section and exit the level. MAP24: The Chasm ("The Chasm A" in GBA) also has those same fluorescent lights in the BFG secret. Start MAP24, run towards the blue skull key door and jump down to the green slime below. There is a cave with a cross. Walk atop the cross and look down: there they are, along with a BFG and a radiation suit. Happy new year, everyone!

[@MarphitimusBlackimus]

5:43 Doom 64's Pain Elemental does still have two arms. They're skeletal, and they hold onto the backs of both mouths.

[@GermanPeter]

Oh yeah, very spine-like. Good eye!

[@velaron569]

What you used for the first Doom RPG is actually the BREW, not the Java version. It has floor/ceiling textures and proper sounds.

[@GermanPeter]

Ah! That makes sense.

[@NoneeLlama]

There were at least two version of the first Doom RPG. There was the Java version, wich - as far as I remember - didn't had proper sound effects (only "midi sounds" replacing them), and no floor and ceiling textures. There was also a Symbian version, wich had the floor/ceiling textures, and maybe that version had sound effects (I never tried that one).

[@AmyStrikesBack]

Yes, the original Doom RPG version used basically the phone's sound board and vibration, like a lot of Java games from that time period

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

Now for someone to remake/remaster/resize the Doom RPG sprites for use in a GZDoom mod. Maybe even thr same for the non-iOS versions of Doom II RPG.

[@lambda-m1676]

​@@wadmodderschalton5763 pretty sure that was done already

[@monsterurby]

Surprised you didn't mention the Doom 2 Hell knight sharing a death sound with Quake's Vores. As usual though, great video!

[@GermanPeter]

Oh yeah, just listened to it, it kind of reuses the death noise? Not fully convinced though, to be honest.

[@Ropoid]

@@GermanPeteruses the same stock sound effect source

[@davidchez513]

@@GermanPeter Different pitch probably but the resemblance is there

[@clamdove3292]

regarding the reuse of boring/bad-looking textures, i think the devs' reasoning is a lot less grandiose than you think. probably something along the lines of "it's just dirt/a boring wall/etc, who cares"

[@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii]

ID software early works is pretty mediocre IMO. The pixel art, animations and sound effects are crap.

[@ChronoWarrior1996]

​@@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii but they're fun and that's really all that actually matters

[@Loopy1330]

To comment on the end bit there, I like it when developers reuse some assets among sequels or games within a shared universe because it establishes stronger connections in them. The voicelines of the H.E.V. suit between Half-Life 1 and Half-Life 2 is another example of this. It's like how family members may have different personalities from one another yet they still share attributes such as facial features or mannerisms. Every bloodline has genetic consistencies somewhere.

[@legatomodi3522]

Yeah it may totally seem like it was laziness or something, but all this shared DNA really is what binds DOOM rpg to DOOM the best. It can't run or play like DOOM so you really need something that's undeniably DOOM before your eyes. Sound effects are the same too. These things immediately inform you what you're playing.

[@Foxfire_forty-nine]

Doom got pretty much all its sounds from a stock sound effect library. It didn't make its own noises. It just lifted them or mixed them from existing free to use ones

[@MattD402]

The Vore in Quake makes the same death sound as the Hell Knight from Doom II only pitched lower.

[@artCharles]

That sure is an interesting name for an FPS enemy. I hope it doesn't get a completely different meaning on the internet years after the game is released…

[@MattD402]

@@artCharles I know what you're getting at. Internet ruins everything.

[@LetsPlayKeldeo]

I totally forgot that There is a patron scroll at the end until I saw my own name on there

[@JanxZ]

17:06 I would have to disagree. I'd even say the evidence given for the similarity between the doom and quake faces is less evidential than of the previous video mentioned. Sure, maybe it was partially based off, but definetly not referenced, as I think the pixels *barely* match (and that's WITH heavy modification), with the only reason they do so being both textures are drawn in limited pixel spaces. Perhaps a previous part of the video will explain what I mean. 14:40 How else do you draw a circle shape in a FIVE by FIVE area without making it look like a diamond? No way. It's a similar case with the faces, they're not only made by the same artist, but in the same limited pixel and palette space.

[@GermanPeter]

Quakeguy and Doomguy literally have overlapping eyes, nose, mouth and teeth. They line up identically, it's not just "barely with heavy modification". Like no, I'll admit the Wolfenstein graphics may have just been a coincidence, but there's no way that's a coincidence too. Sure, they changed the sprite here and there, but didn't. Again, if they wanted to draw a new face entirely, like they did with Doom after Wolfenstein or in the SNES port of Wolfenstein, they could have so easily done that. Those faces have zero overlap. Here, the overlap is undeniable.

[@EchoHeo]

@@GermanPeter in your "perfectly overlapping" examples, sometimes features are off by an entire pixel or two. given that they woulve been working with constrained sizes for the art i think it is perfectly possible that it is a coincidence or some light reference. Dont get me wrong i think its still possible that they were based on doom textures but who knows. I really have to disagree with like half of the points youve made about this as a pixel artist myself. god knows how many same faces ive made. I always thought it was weird how you were pointing out supposed perfect overlaps despite the obvious discrepancies. For example, you had to move the eyes close together, yes thats a minor edit but how far do you need to take modification like that until it becomes too far of a stretch?

[@EchoHeo]

@@GermanPeter Really think this is a huge miss on your part, "but there's no way that's a coincidence too"

[@GermanPeter]

@EchoHeo The thing is, I wouldn't even be saying this, had the game not reused A LOT of other assets (same as Mac Wolfenstein). If this had been the only connection between the games that I could find, then I wouldn't even have said anything. But since there is so much overlap in so many other aspects, it makes me think that it's the case. Again, it's not like they were unable to draw unique sprites for characters that have similar faces (look at BJ and Doomguy). Even the new ROTT remaster has very Doom-like faces that still look original. It's possible I'm looking for things that aren't there, sure, but it just doesn't seem so likely. My question is just: if they reused so much other stuff - why stop THERE? Why did they save themselves so much work by recycling old graphics, just to then draw new sprites that look almost identical to ones that already exist? Why not recycle those too? It's not even like Quake Guy's faces are particularly ornate or anything. They're not bigger, they're not more detailed, they're not from a different angle, they have the same dimensions as Doomguy's.

[@nimagraven]

Agreeing with this. It's a good video. But I'm with you, that one is a stretch. At most, to me it's a reference, it's not a 1 to1 match.

[@illuminatidad]

One think I noticed when I played quake for first time is that duke nukem and quake had some of the same sound effects.

[@ShallowVA]

I always thought Doom 64 had a bassier, wetter sound design. Really interesting to hear some of the sounds are literally just Doom 2 sounds with more bass and running water played over the top!

[@GermanPeter]

They also use A LOT of reverb in the game. It sounds kinda silly, like when you play Half-Life and shoot headcrabs in the vents :D

[@Pacman009]

@@GermanPeterDSP effects were actually them sneakily putting your headphones in a deep fryer

[@sebastiangarcia8246]

Good to see you GermanPeter doing quake and DOOM 64 on your channel. Quake 1/2 and Doom 64 are my favorite game for design and gameplay and to see how Id move on with there games.

[@SwitchILY]

13:15 idk why but these cutscenes look silly as heck

[@shinyagumon7015]

The Doom II RBG Hava sounds are so funny, sounds more like a 16 bit platformer than a Doom Game. Has an almost slapstick like quality to it.

[@ProReborn]

Thanks for being part of the reason I picked up doom and tried it again after having motion sickness issues years back. No more issues and I am loving the originals

[@擻]

18:50 can't believe they added mf doom to quake

[@AnisterStarlight]

Good thing you brought up Doom 64 because its one of my favorite games in the Id Sofrware library. To me it did everything Doom 3 set out to do but kinda missed the mark on. It kept a perfect balance between being more scary and consistent to what came before. I love it.

[@GermanPeter]

Shame the level design sucks big time because it's needlessly cryptic and at times completely unfair tho lol

[@Umbra_Ursus]

Also has some of the best demon designs across the series. Peak imp, pinky, arachnotron, and pain elemental.

[@Saver310]

Sofrware

[@KleerAsDay]

A map in Quake III, Lost World, has an Icon of Sin texture on one or two walls. Though, it's either the original image or it's been edited, because there are no cyber-modifications on it. Another big note; the brain isn't exposed.

[@papayer]

20:46 I can see the top of the head & horns on the left...

[@righthandedclone4188]

It's like they took DOOM and just revamped parts they didn't like and made DOOM64, very cool.

[@jess648]

1:28 Doom’s original sprites were made using clay models references

[@GermanPeter]

I was talking about Doom 64 and how the models were computer-generated

[@jess648]

@@GermanPeter Doom 64 initially used clay models as well by the same artist even

[@GermanPeter]

@@jess648 You got any source for that? That sounds interesting.

[@jess648]

@@GermanPeter for 64 specifically they were done by Gregor Punchatz (he did some of the models first doom 2) before being used as reference for 3D models for eventual sprite conversion by the Midway team

[@stuff31]

Talk about resourceful! Great video as usual, Peter! Hope you're having a wonderful day!

[@lainamitclaire]

You know, I liked your point about the soul of the "id family tree" so to speak, the lineage from Wolf 3D to Quake 1. There's really a spirit to these games that I just can't find in the others. You can sort of see an imitation of it in Quake 2 (Lone trooper behind enemy lines in a sci-fi setting fighting highly militarized mutant horrors) but it just feels so distant, and almost corporate. Especially once you get to Quake 4, pretty much everything past that is completely divorced from the original id spirit, even if it's fun, like ET:QW and Doom 2016 and the new Wolfenstein games.

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Oh

[@GargoyleInfestation]

That means that the original id spirit left with Romero

[@lainamitclaire]

@@GargoyleInfestation Well yeah, I think everyone thinks that, but I'd wager it started leaving with Tom Hall

[@NoozeCat]

24:32 The first of those OG Doom water tiles matches with the Quake tile perfectly but with 180 degrees rotation and a small offset.

[@Bubbabyte99]

Awesome vid! You just earned a subscriber!

[@GermanPeter]

Thanks!

[@SilverGreyscale]

if I recall, the Quake player isn't called "Quake Guy" I think the official name ever since Quake 3 Arena and Quake Champions is Ranger

[@aloedg3191]

I like quake champions

[@RoseMurphyreal]

I just called him John Quake.

[@SoloMael]

I’m honestly really surprised that you didn’t mention Quake’s item pickup jingle being the first 3 notes of Doom’s famous first level music. It’s not quite the same as reusing assets, I know, but it’s the first thing I think of when it comes to connections between the two games.

[@GermanPeter]

I'm not hearing it :P

[@richardmatthews2598]

The sound when picking up a medikit.

[@spaceghost566]

The only texture I really remember being something from a previous Id game in Quake III is the icon of sin texture, forget where it is in the level but its in q3dm13 in one of the dropdown points

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

Oh and we can't forget the Jaguar family of Doom console ports, Ultimate Doom, both IWADs of Final Doom, the mission packs for Quake 1 & 2, Wolfenstein RPG and the two Orcs & Elves games that reuses some Doom & Wolfenstein graphics as reference.

[@robertcioveie8113]

The reaaon the first doom rpg reuses so many sprites is because there was exactly one guy working on the game, that being John Carmak. Also the reason the original java version of doom 2 rpg's sound effects are so nad is because they're midis, becayse wave form sound effects would be too big for mobile phones of the time, which was very common for java mobile games at the time.

[@adirblazkowics7717]

Quake ranger's "side glancing" mugshot is actually his pain face, by the way.

[@johannessiipola1267]

One that comes to mind from the later games: the iconic computer wall from the E1M2 computer maze makes an appearance in Doom 3 level “Central Server Banks”.

[@DoomWinter]

I can see why the graphics looks so similar when playing those game on my Nintendo Switch and see how id got so creative in the end

[@artCharles]

This is a great video! I had no idea how many assets were reused between these games, so it was interesting to see all of this!

[@eljaminlatour6633]

Also, the Ranger from Quake, his face looks more alien than the Doom Marine's face, probably because of the dark brown appearance that blends with the Gothic appearance of Quake.

[@gameexe6337]

you are really stretching it and seeing stuff that you wanna see in some of these cases, like the wolfenstein guy's gun flash, other than having the same pattern of 8 spokes, while literally everything else is different, look up what "correlation does not equal causation" means, and stuff like that BFG ball, has no pixels arranged in same order as the original one so theres not even a pattern there to match, finally the quake guy face, it does not align even if you edit the eyes and than overlay them, they got different cheek bones, nose, chin, eye sockets and and those folds of skin between mouth and cheek and nose, not to mention both heads have a different camera angle to them, quake has this straight on angle while the doom guy has a more of a top down angle, what you are seeing is just the result of the same artist working on both graphics and carrying over his style and way of doing faces within that limited amount of pixel space, only reason you see similar features is because they worked last time so why not do it again

[@WalterGameDev]

15:40 that's a pain sprite, quakeguy doesn't glance.

[@ksysinf]

From what I remember quake 2 and especially 3 has more textures lifted up from doom. For example the spine texture from q3dm4. Also some of the shared textures are presumably stock ones as I've seen them on non id games

[@kellymountain]

the java sounds are actually midis, since java phones didnt have any support for samples

[@kellymountain]

the quakeguys/rangers side glance is a hurt sprite and the grin is his pentagram of protection sprite

[@kellymountain]

the hexagon tiles from quake 2 are probably based off the beige hexagon tiles, you can tell from the noise it has

[@repetitivethinking]

wow, those sure are images

[@Amig186]

I thought Doomguy's Q3 sounds were alright, since his original sounds were just stock ones anyway, but Ranger just isn't the same without his "HUH!" jump sound. By the way, the part about skulls reminded me of a blue wall texture in Wolfenstein 3D with skulls on it, does it have any similarities to the skulls from later Id games?

[@GermanPeter]

The blue wall from the Mac Family uses the Doom skull, yes!

[@PorkB]

I tried editing it myself and I think 64's demon pain sound is the imp death sound, just edited and probably mixed with 64's zombie pain sound.

[@Callsign_Kuru]

18:18 "Schädelllll ! Jaaaaaa !" **spongebob intro**

[@atoxicperson6794]

blessed be the algorithmic machine

[@GermanPeter]

Blessed be your comments 😊

[@shotgunguy1993]

20:46 "The only one that's missing is Sandy's wife" took me out 💀

[@AlphaEnt2]

Regarding quake 3: the icon of sin has a cameo on obe of the levels. I don't remember exactly the map name, but i think it was lost world? The texture is was smaller than the original though, but the resemblance is noticeable. Also, not a recycled texture, but anarki has a lost soul drawing on the board he's over it.

[@Nintendann64]

Awesome vid. I love these kinda analysis videos.

[@deathmatchguy12]

i just noticed: The blue skull wall texture has EYES in it. look at 18:31

[@Zeni4825]

26:56 this last grunt sound looks familiar, I think I've heard it somewhere in other Doom games, I could be wrong tho

[@GermanPeter]

They used it in Brutal Doom as a taunt.

[@Zeni4825]

@@GermanPeter ohhh yeah, that's right, I remember now, I used to watch Brutal Doom vídeos ALL the time when I was 13, that is why It sounded so familiar to me thank you, great video as always btw

[@RyuAzuku]

Does anyone know what song that's playing at 11:26?????

[@GermanPeter]

Original music, composed for my channel :)

[@RyuAzuku]

@@GermanPeter Man I hope they get uploaded someday! Really good tunes!

[@Cats-TM]

15:00 Might be a bit of a stretch because that is really just a good way to light an ORB.

[@GermanPeter]

That's absolutely fair. They do the same in Doom 64. Still, same size!

[@Brucifer2]

Oh my god! Finally someone else is talking about the Pain Elemental and Cacodemon swap!

[@GermanPeter]

Right? Even when I played the game recently, the change was so obvious to me.

[@Saver310]

There's a wall in Quake 3 that resembles the Icon of Sin.

[@rgerber]

I remember playing Doom 64 on TV- it was soooo dark you basically couldn't see anything. I persisted on not changing the brightness in game because it would be intended this way. Which is probably wrong

[@GermanPeter]

No, I did the same. The game is just massively, incomprehensibly dark. It certainly adds to the mood, but it's kinda hard to play on an actual CRT :P

[@Jenkinsmum]

It does seem that the Grunt and Enforcer models were based on the Zombie Man and Marine respectively, maybe the rottweiler based on the Wolf 3D dog, or the Ogre based on one of the Wolf 3D bosses, though comparing voxels with sprites is tricky.

[@teaoftraffic]

3:45 at least our favorite skeleton made it into doom 64, even if it is via sound effects

[@markusfassbinder8275]

oh, I got here 7 mins after it was uploaded. what a coincidence.

[@TerraKing]

I do would like to mention that the BFG 10K in the Quake 2 remaster replaces the BFG 9K graphics from Doom 1/2 and in favor of Doom 64's. I'm going to guess this was likely because Nightdive (the team who remastered both games) used them because they also remastered Doom 64 in the past in 2020, and possibly that Doom 64's looks better to which I agree.

[@Cats-TM]

21:35 If you look, it might be all three bars.

[@maxis_scott_engie_maximov_jr]

11:54 Why the hell does the RPG Icon Of Sin look so badass Even in Eternal it's just an oversized goat with armor The closest demon that looks like RPG Icon Of Sin is the 2016 Cyberdemon but it still pales in comparison to it

[@GermanPeter]

It's definitely the best-looking version of it, Doom 2 included!

[@BoldEnglishman]

The Icon of Sin turns up in a few Quake III levels but as a model on the wall rather than just a flat texture (and scaled way down for obvious reasons).

[@bonevelous]

I'm willing to bet some of the textures in these games go all the way back to Catacombs 3D

[@dogfaceman2440]

Ah yeah, I love when I finally get my new spine!

[@somnvm37]

omg, finaly another peter video! also, respect for mentioning quake 👍

[@GoodFishMan]

German peter is one of my favorite German youtubers.

[@GermanPeter]

Videogamedunkey is one of my favorite Blade KZbinrs.

[@vibgibbon]

Old mobile dev here. Doom RPG I/II is further complicated by there being multiple versions for different screen sizes! Java (and BREW) games had such a tiny maximum file size that you couldn't fit the graphics for all devices into the same package. I think the footage here shows the largest available versions of the graphics, though. The Java and Brew versions would be roughly equivalent in tech, the Symbian version a bit more advanced, then the iOS/Android versions more advanced again with essentially no file size limits (for a game like this) at that point. This is also a reason why there are palette swaps of enemies - for the same reason as old cartridge games - you can just reuse the same sprite data with a different color table. As to why there's so much asset reuse, bear in mind this was just John Carmack making these as a semi-hobby project with his then-wife's company and maybe a contract artist and one or two other people. The Doom II RPG Java sounds are midi instrument cues rather than samples, again this would have been to save space. The Red Cross logo being absent in later Doom releases is iirc because the Red Cross/Red Crescent charity trademarked the symbol (I guess your other video covers that?), not censorship per se. (It annoyed me when Doom showed up in a later series of Halt & Catch Fire - set circa 1993 - and it was clearly not the OG version because this gave it away.)

[@aanproduction1516]

*!ATTENTION! PETER DID NOT PUT SHAMBLER'S ASS BEING CYBERDEMON'S ASS IN THE VIDEO !ATTENTION!*

[@GermanPeter]

You made me look at buttcheeks, and they're still not the same!

[@jackcimino8822]

VIOS looks like it belongs in Digimon, and I dig it!

[@littleampton2]

What you have to remember when talking about Doom RPG's graphics is that it was a game designed for an absolutely tiny screen, like, maybe even like 1/5th-1/10th of modern phone screens, so the graphics looking "bad" wasn't at all as noticeable back then. Of course they look absolutely horrendous when stretched onto a 1080p screen :p Also, if I remember correctly, Doom 1 (Java editions, not BREW) and 2 RPG "sounds" were made using... MIDI. That's why they're so horrible. What you're also missing is that there's a limited amount of faces or skulls you can draw that still look good using pixels within such a tiny area, considering these are things that we as humans can notice very well when they have improper proportions. I remain unconvinced of quake/doom face similarities.

[@dotcomgamingd5564]

great video as always!

[@dotcomgamingd5564]

wait, they "didnt' commit to the idea" of bringing him back by not reusing the exact same sounds again? okay, I'm gonna be honest, that sounds kinda dumb. it would sound pretty out of place at that point. honestly kinda tuned out by the whole ending monologue.

[@Stondonk]

3:03 this is so very nearly the windows logo

[@ravick007]

Artist decades ago: "I'll reuse these graphics and nobody will ever know! *laughs villainy*" GermanPeter in 2024:

[@2-Way_Intersection]

say what you will about the quake 3 doomguy grunts, they are really impressive recreations. like, say this wasnt official and simply another game referencing doom, then id say it sounds fantastic! its "we have doomguy at home" done incredibly well. shame it was effectively totally unnecessary in this case (like, why couldnt they use the old ones?) edit: wanted to add, ive never thought about modern doom having the dna of quake in it. it makes perfect sense with the more gothic vibe of things like doom eternal especially. while i would still like a new single player quake, i guess ive been getting pretty damn close this whole time

[@GermanPeter]

I do like them a lot, but... they couldn't at least add his pain screams? They're stock sounds!

[@2-Way_Intersection]

​@@GermanPeter maybe they figured since they were changing his voice they figured those screams didnt fit? just my guess

[@lecoindugamer7644]

7:29 whats the background music?

[@GermanPeter]

Composed by Sunnexo just for my channel :) It doesn't have a name.

[@doom0666]

There's two things you missed with Quake 1 and Doom 64. The shotgun and Super shotgun are the same. There's missing sprites but the graphics are the same just updated

[@GermanPeter]

What? No. They use completely different models.

[@doom0666]

@GermanPeter not in a sense of on the ground but as the player uses it. Supershotgun is same model in use same with the shotgun I know the shotgun in Quake 1 fires faster than the Doom 64 counterpart. I was looking at both models when both are in use. Quake 1 shotgun and super shotgun fires a bit faster than the Doom 64 shotgun and super shotgun

[@GermanPeter]

...what? The shotguns of both games have nothing to do with each other. Not even the weapon sprites. The Quake ones have fewer polygons because they get rendered in real time, the Doom 64 ones are pre-rendered and therefore have more polygons.

[@EvilReFlex]

Quake 3 has a texture from doom, this organic pipes in q3dm4.

[@blast4ce]

peter i think ur starting to trip ya startin' to see shit where there isnt anything

[@GermanPeter]

cry about it (affectionately)

[@MartianBuddy]

Could be a case of same artist than just copy sprites? 15:34

[@GermanPeter]

Like I said in another comment, I doubt it. This time, the faces line up genuinely perfectly. They have the same size, the same shape, the eyes, nose, mouth and teeth are in the same places, and so on. I mean, they drew new sprites for BJ's face in SNES Wolfenstein that don't line up with either his DOS counterpart nor Doomguy, so it's not as if the artists were incapable of coming up with new designs. And like I mentioned in the video, Doomguy's face isn't just BJ's face from Wolf3D either. Heck, they called Quake "Doom 3" at one point, so I don't think it's a big stretch at all to suggest they just reused Doomguy's face because of the similarities.

[@MartianBuddy]

@@GermanPeter Would be cool if you could interview or ask Adrian about the process of the art. Glad everyone still alive.

[@AmyStrikesBack]

The sawcubus Head looks like a squished archvile Head

[@GermanPeter]

Good eye!

[@kenji6492]

Recolored enemy sprites are typically done due to memory limits, not laziness. It uses way less memory to apply a different palette to an existing spritesheet than making space for a second.

[@GermanPeter]

Never said anything about laziness. It's absolutely smart to reuse graphics, IF you know where to apply them. That's why the Doom RPGs stood out to me - you draw so many graphics from scratch, only to then recycles old ones with like 10% of the detail? :P

[@delobuchel]

Quake 3 Team Arena expansion had a chaingun, that was clearly inspired by the one in Doom and Doom 2...was hoping you would mention that. Check it out!

[@GermanPeter]

Please check my pinned comment :)

[@MattD402]

The chaingun in Team Arena felt more closer to Quake II's than Doom's.

[@poorlymadeproduction]

these weird earthbound neon color warping background look like a migraine aura and make this extremely difficult to watch

[@GermanPeter]

I'll look into it, thanks for the feedback.

[@Phryj]

I'm wondering if a Cacodemon that fires two fireballs would be worse than the Pain Elemental that spams Lost Souls twice as fast.

[@GermanPeter]

Honestly, it probably wouldn't hit anything :P You could be standing right in front of it and it'd shoot them past you!

[@pizletwizzler198]

OG Doom and Doom II used some actual clay models to sprite from as well, but Doom 64 would perfect the technique by digitizing-to-model prior to spriting. Really made Carmack/Punchatz's work look great!

[@supertna9154]

How about heretic, Hexen, duke 3D and even Half Life 1's textures and sound effects? Do any of these games where the same sound effects and textures? I know the pain sound for Corvus, Baratus, Daedolon, Parias pain sounds and one of Duke Nukem's grunt sounds is the same as doom guy’s pain sounds.

[@GermanPeter]

I might do a video on that at one point :)

[@Jax49]

oh my god i LOVE Doom RPG!

[@NoName-st5so]

5:46 pain elemental in doom 1 what?!? are you sure?

[@GermanPeter]

I didn't say that. I said that in Doom 1 and 2, the Pain Elemental looks a certain way and the Cacodemon looks another way. The "2" part was referring to the Pain Elemental, while the "1" was referring to the Caco.

[@NoName-st5so]

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[@dogfaceman2440]

I feel like making doom an rpg game is weird, i believe that doom is supposed to be a game where you kill your enemies before they have a chance to make you bleed, making it turn based makes you lose health unnecessarily (at least compared to actual doom)

[@GermanPeter]

I'd like to play Doom RPG and Doom 2 RPG, but I somewhat recently finished Wolfenstein RPG. I can confirm, it does feel weird, because those games are about quick movement and dodging attacks. It's more excusable for Wolfenstein, since its gameplay was never that engaging in the first place, but it's going to feel super weird with Doom. Note that they're not bad games, you don't constantly get killed without you being able to do anything. It's just different.

[@MysteryMystery-nj8xs]

Was the doom speed run you did liget for beating it in 7.8 seconds or was it a troll?

[@Fiz2salt-x4q]

How has no one seen cocademon in the thumbnail

[@GermanPeter]

Wait, where? I can't see it

[@swr.nezumi]

his name is quake ranger

[@sodaeater2127]

Surprised you didn't mention Doom Resurrection for ios at all. I haven't played it myself, but looking at gameplay it definitely seems to reuse most of its sound effects and models from Doom 3, just simplified for mobile

[@GermanPeter]

Because the video was about Doom 1 and 2, not Doom 3.

[@rgerber]

Say again, some of these are such a stretch its a kind of saying two persons both have eyes, therefore they look the same. I.e the table in Doom RPG Looks absolutely nothing like Wolfenstein 3D

[@atarijaguarfan7893]

I recognized those hanging Quake corpses as they are seemingly reused (and ever so slightly redrawn and one being flipped upside down) assets from Atari Jaguar Doom

[@AnthonyAdrianAcker]

I kind of appreciate that id used the same chainsaw sounds, doors, and some explosions throughout different games.

[@CreeperJaxon]

1:00 DOOM 2016 what the f- (regret)

[@makerrov]

You forgot to mention that the Shambler uses the Cyberdemon’s butt, it’s really weird but it’s actually super obvious when you see it lol

[@GermanPeter]

See, I looked at it and compared the two and just can't see it.

[@makerrov]

@@GermanPeter Huh, I could have sworn... research time!

[@DigiSpaceProductions]

Something funny about the D2 Java ver. It uses midi for its sounds. I wonder if they used the canned Midi soundset from Doom 1.

[@tengrisyesugei7995]

What about Heretic, Hexan, and Hexan 2?

[@GermanPeter]

Is planned :)

[@CaveyMoth]

I really feel like the newest Doom game they're making could tie Doom, Quake 1, and Quakes 2 & 4 together. Perhaps slipgate technology is discovered in hell after the demons are defeated, and it screws up the universe. And the demons were thought to be wiped out, except they became the Strogg? I don't know, I'm reaching here. But I'm kind of tired of Doom, Doom, Doom. Gimme some Quake, dangit.