DoorDash Top Dasher is Interesting...

[@Englishkin]

This is Doordash treating "independent contractors" like employees. It's time for drivers to create their own apps!

[@jeffreynelson4149]

Re today the other thing you have to do is watch the 1 and 2 star raters. I got a 2 star today from a different day. Drops your rating 4 points. 1 in 500 customers rate you so you have to be on it with the low raters. My strategey has been to call support and ask them to block the customer from me taking future deliveries, they usually will. They will ask if you felt unsafe and I say unsafe for my ratings if I deliver to them again. Anyway something to think about to protect yourself and staying top dasher. I also tend to stop doing add routes mid month so you don't get the no tippers they stack and the low raters.

[@magneticflux7833]

I'm consistently getting 2 dollar tips. 4.25 for 8 miles. My ar is 84% and I'm getting all these garbage orders... 13 miles 6 bucks. Like.. why they send those to me at all.

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

You should have priority for other ones. Not the horrible offers

[@MichelynBoateng]

If you wake up early around 5:30 and dash, you get good orders and help your acceptance rate and then decline the bad ones that come in. And you make lots of money

[@giff74]

Do you get frustrated waiting in the drive up lines? For me it's mostly waiting at McDonalds.

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

I guess I could try the morning. In the past I've found there's low paying offers at that time of day

[@mikesaintjulesmusic]

That all just depends on your market. Not every city will have great offers in the morning.

[@bill3714]

Nothing but McDonalds, IHOP, and Filiberto’s in PHX early. A few catering orders trickle in from Einstein and Panera around 7:30 - 8:00. Then slim pickings till lunch.

[@MichelynBoateng]

I turned off shop and pay for my peace of mind and I’m still top dasher. The shop and pay doesn’t make sense to me and takes lots of time

[@giff74]

I agree. They started off paying decently-ish, and I liked getting out of the car for longer, but very quickly they dropped that pay right down after the "new" wore off LOL.

[@derrineckelmann3523]

Yeah im the same , I only do food delivery because I use a Motorcycle no shopping for me 😅

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

The base pay used to be a lot higher on the shopping orders. Now it's hard to find one easily worth accepting

[@MrEjohnston]

You aren't forced to take any offer. No tip, NO TRIP @

[@michaelbell75]

If you want to keep your AR up to keep Top Dasher, you certainly ARE forced to take offers. Just say no to Top Dasher

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

I am kind of forced to take these to maintain above 70% acceptance rate. Of course I could drop below any time I want, but that would ruin the challenge

[@jeffw1267]

​@JacobWarren1 And that's the way it should be. To get the perks of being a Top Dasher, you have to take one for the team once in a while. But life is like that. You don't get the absolute best for yourself ALL the time. I think we should start teaching kids that philosophy in first grade.

[@bill3714]

@@jeffw1267 team? We’re independent contractors. We’re not a team. Each dasher is allowed to run their independent delivery business as they see fit. We are not employees. Do other for profit businesses ask their employees to work for 1/2 pay today because it’s good for the team?

[@michaelbell75]

@@jeffw1267 and that’s exactly why I spend most my day on UE instead of Door Trash. I’m not going broke and destroying my car to keep some company paying slave wages happy.

[@ts9576]

If you accepted 70%+ of Uber eats orders you would lose money working.

[@thelegendaryscratcher1233]

So true

[@hayleyratliff4481]

100%

[@UncleVoodoo]

Me and another driver put this to the test for a month- 1 dasher with a 80% AR vs 1 dasher with 40% AR working the same shifts side by side.... Bottom line- money earned over the same shifts was virtually the same but the high AR driver drove A LOT more miles to earn that same money. So after expenses the TD kept less of his money vs the cherry picker. High AR just means you're constantly taking two steps forward and one step back vs constantly moving forward.

[@314murdacapitall]

You can dash now that’s important

[@UncleVoodoo]

@@314murdacapitall not really, people who “dash now” and don’t schedule are the people over saturating zones. If you can’t get on the schedule thats a pretty big clue.

[@Englishkin]

If the dollar amount of pay is lower than the number of miles cited for the trip, you'd likely be losing money to fuel cost. If the dollar pay and mileage numbers are the same, you'll likely only break even. Biking would eliminate fuel cost but, Doordash isn't likely to limit giving you orders further than 6 miles total distance. Further than 6 miles on a bike, the delivery quality starts to fall. Doordash won't even officially allow the bike option for Dashers in all markets anyway.

[@YourGlobalStore]

I been maintaining 70+ for a while

[@noneya12678]

That's not a solid day. Top Trasher sucks

[@claubster1]

Use that pause more often

[@KCDoorDashGuy]

That's what I do if I get 3 bad orders in a row I will pause for 15 minutes and let them pass on to another driver, if it continues I end the dash and start a new one... Believe it or not it works when you do that

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

But what if they were about to send you a great order and they you paused yourself

[@mikesaintjulesmusic]

@@PhoenixDeliveries That's the risk they're willing to take apparently. If anything I will pause and go to a different area in the zone and then resume. Chick-Fil-A will always try to catch me. Sometimes orders are decent there, but ultimately it's better to avoid it. So I'll pause if I'm within offering range just to get away.

[@claubster1]

@@PhoenixDeliveries you wait till a couple of ticks after you drop if nothing comes then pause it and get back to the money zone . There was one where you said it was going to a not so good area , pause that beast

[@MoneyMan28]

Zero tip for 9 miles, the customer thinks gas is free

[@ericinohio8962]

I was top dasher in July and now August. I maintained 70% in July while taking dozens of $5 orders. Don’t waste your time. If we continue to take low pay orders, then DD will continue their scheme. CEO stole tips and was proven in court. His fine was minimal

[@MaryJane-km4hh]

Wow never knew this but they defiantly need to change that policy no other apps do that bs!

[@bruceruiz8184]

Only thing I miss about being a top dasher is dashing whenever I want. My area is very saturated with drivers so hard to get on the same day if no schedule. I work another job so hard to set a schedule every day when I'm not guaranteed to be able to drive. Love your videos, keep them coming.

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

I like Top Dasher for that reason too. Some days I have no idea when I'll be able to drive

[@Ottobon]

Similar here, its not great everywhere but if you have multiple zones sometimes you can find one that works well for EBT, there are definitely good and terrible EBT markets, but if you find a good one the mileage is high but personally found the pay good, not amazing but solid 20-25 just with like 2x more miles. Depends how you feel about your vehicles mileage and maintenance (or lack there of), but with relatively reliable high mpg vehicle it can be nice way to get yourself out of a low acceptance rate pinch.

[@cmudd9788]

If you're in a big enough market, same day scheduling is not impossible. You just have to be willing to get up at 6 AM and wait for someone that has scheduled an all day shift to abandon their shift and the times will open up. There's always drivers grabbing up every shift they can just to secure them in case they want to work that day. A lot of those shifts end up getting abandoned last minute. It will usually happen between 6 and 8 AM. I dash in Augusta Ga and could get scheduled any day of the week like that before getting top dasher this month to see if it would actually be worth it in a diamond market.

[@rockytoptn4lifegovols870]

So I heard you can get top dasher by having the right acceptance rate they were basing it on last 100 opportunities is that still the way works ? So could just take the junky orders last 4 days and could skip like 5 bad orders out of 25

[@Ottobon]

​@@rockytoptn4lifegovols870 Yeah its rolling 100, if you are new you gotta get 100 out first but you likely have right idea. Easiest way to track it imo is look at lifetime deliveries often and remember days you accepted alot and more importantly where you were at on days you declined a lot.

[@dashieat]

It doesn't matter if the order takes you in the middle of nowhere, if it's paying you over $2.5+ per mi, you're making good money on it even with round trip.

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

I guess so, but I hate driving all the way back without an order

[@mikesaintjulesmusic]

Yeah, I find it hilarious that people have a standard on what not to accept. Some people won't leave their house if an order is less than $12.

[@dashieat]

@@PhoenixDeliveries i rather do a $25 for 10mi with highway miles 1 order roundtrip than do a bunch of $4-$8 orders. Its more work getting in and out of your car. Driving is the easy part. Even if you get an order after dropping off, most of the time you still driving back to some restaurant to get that order. Its no different than getting no order until you get back to the restaurant and getting that same same order but less miles on the offer.

[@jjminor]

I’m now at platinum on Doordash. I get a order going up to where I usually start my dash. As soon as I drop off the order, I get another order for Panera bread about two blocks away. It’s a good order. When I get to Panera, I see people in cars and I actually speak with one door dasher who is inside the restaurant hoping to get an order. He mentions how slow it has been and all I can say is yep. Unfortunately, platinum doesn’t take away all those crap orders. It just improves volume. I’m guessing and gives you some better orders possibly

[@JustinMcMaster83]

ajs is definitely different but if you ever get hmart it's worth the decline worst store ever I'm pretty sure AZ has a few locations

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

I'll make sure to avoid it!

[@reygarcia8942]

As a fellow person who’s in the same market, I also raised my rate to above 70 and it has been much better. However it’s not a utopia, no tips, super high mileage, questionable “high pay orders” still exist. Note, I don’t have top dasher, only the diamond program.

[@DreamsOfDying1314]

So am I… I don’t care what you say; When Jacob adds up all the miles, gas, and time utilized to get to this, he will realize it is not profitable. DoorDash knows that, and with interest rates increased, they don’t have free money to pass around. Ironically… I reset my acceptance rate back in October of last year, when all the snowbirds are here in the valley (metro PHX.). The offers I was getting then was not even worth it. The algorithm is set up to do this, so it can see times dashing, relative cost vs loss, net profit ect. I have realized… you have to cherry pick and go the extra mile for the customer, pun intended. I communicate with the customer throughout the entire process, so that they know there’s a human being on the other side, that I am taking the utmost care of their food, and even reaching out to see if they need any extra stuff ect. Jacob I got to reach out to you since we are in the same market for a long time. I can’t stand when door dash takes you to Fountain Hills, and then you gotta drive all the ways back ect. Def gotta message you. I have an idea for how to help you increase tips… Hi regularly have customers going back and increasing my tip on DoorDash, not even just Uber, and that’s because I utilize all the proper bags, which means having the investment of the top possible bags for regular orders, and the best bags for catering. We are not robots…. Reach out to the customer, even if it means picking up the telephone, it reminds them that you are a person going out of your way to make sure that they get the best possible experience. I should start a channel, but Jacob Warren is a fellow brother like me, last name Friedman! ;) 😃😃 Jacob I will pm you. I have helped a lot in this area, And I guarantee if I tell you what I do, you will see how much your tips increase.

[@DreamsOfDying1314]

We should get a live chat going on this channel, esp for those of us in the valley/metro PHX. Jacob, like for DoorDash, you are missing out on the easiest area to get quick dashes done, and make easy money. I didn’t even realize it until I spoke with another Uber driver, and I’m sure you are close to the 101…. So Jacob and my PHX/Gilbert/Scottsdale friends. If we all collaborate, you will see how the market improves. I have a 99% customer service rating and 100% on DoorDash, even after delivering the low ball orders. I will explain why/how, but let’s get a live chat going! I also want to talk about the pitfalls ect of DoorDash long term. An open forum! Do it Jacob!

[@bill3714]

Jacob works in a really profitable area he just isn’t seeing as many bangers over $20+ since he made top dasher. I suspect he’s to busy on the $10 orders and not available as when he took a low pay order during the dinner rush. He’s definitely making less money than he did cherry picking Uber and DD. I hope he works a few lunch shifts where he should get some catering orders with his TD and Priority ratings.

[@bill3714]

@@DreamsOfDying1314most of us don’t dash for or care about ratings. We care about making the most money. He’s doing this for an experiment.

[@TampaGigWorker]

​@DreamsOfDying1314, unfortunately, it's a dog eat dog world. If you're in his territory, then you're potentially taking from his dog bowl aka pockets. And why would anyone help you unless you're helping them? If you had a popular YT channel then collaboration would make sense financially. Remember that money is our survival. And Everything he's doing on KZbin is to profit him.

[@brianhall2525]

715PM Eastern and it's a trash Monday evening...wow.

[@wink4731]

Top dasher declined 2 orders in a row 16 km for 9.75 and 18 km 11.75 to bad area can’t see how these are top dasher

[@DyLemmaOG]

staying 50% or higher is totally worth it, whatever you need to reasonably do. I do doordash only full-time and from my own experience having that 50% or higher makes a big difference. Never been a top dasher so can't say if it's worth it but there's just no freaking way it's worth it. Accepting 70% of orders!? That's just impossible without losing $ doing this full-time. It would be maybe possible if you could lower your completion rate to accept and unassign shitty orders but you also need 95% completion there's just no way! I notice that you will very very frequently get another stacked order with high priority.

[@azumpire]

Im sitting at 15% acceptance now... And had the best Sunday in a long time. 5 hours $155 Uber eats has pretty much stopped sending me orders unless they are $2 . The only orders they send me are the Uber x ride share offers lol. But Sunday was all doordash and it was a good night. But honestly Jacob, I never thought I would see you remaining as a top dasher this long! Well done! Work it until is no longer works $$$$

[@edwardgutierrez2638]

Lol those Taco Bell orders I always decline. Orders are always wrong and the customers always complain to you about it, yet they don’t tip you. Like gtfo people

[@WITYTRAVELS]

Yay for Jack In The Box!

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

$$$

[@cmudd9788]

The best way to take advantage of top dasher is to cherrypick during peak hours. Don't worry about keeping a 70% AR because it's impossible to maintain without taking some crap orders. Just keep it above 50 and you'll still see some pretty good orders and have a better dollar per mile ratio. Then the climb back to 70 at the end of the month isn't so hard.

[@DariusFasho]

I cherry pick and have a 85 acceptance lol

[@_joestop5]

I bet there was a Taco Bell closer to that one customer.

[@mikesaintjulesmusic]

Just a PSA. I was a top dasher for the month of June. Support indicated that I was at 68% AR and I was still qualified into the program. In July I was not qualified when I was told to maintain 68% based on my market. For the month of August I was not qualified even though I had 70% and took a screenshot with the time and date indicating I met the criteria. I even got an email after calling support telling me I qualified and gave me some bs reference number. I was told by another rep that I was 68% when I was 70. If you are aiming for Top Dasher, make sure your acceptance rate is at least 73. What you see on the app versus what support sees are a difference in percentage by 2.

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

That's a great tip. It's so weird how their numbers can be so much different than the numbers we see

[@mikesaintjulesmusic]

@@PhoenixDeliveries Yeah I am not sure as to why. They said they were going to have it reviewed, but they're not going to do anything. Enjoyed the video!

[@derrineckelmann3523]

If the low ball orders are short in distance/Mileage , its not a big deal to me , there are many situations were my town fast food joints will add an order to the small ones .

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

Getting those add on orders are nice sometimes

[@Ottobon]

I feel same way so long as either the place is known to be fast, or conversely and i would hope some Drivers understand this if i happen to like/support the actual place themselves. A lot happier to take 1-1.5 mile 5-6$ order from a local place then McDonalds, although truthfully if both are quick pickups then I'll take it all. The 4$ orders are sus though.

[@drew_scottsdale]

oh snap your in kierland zone. btw that zone is trash during weekend dinner rush. I always have to decline orders pulling me 7+ miles north of bell rd lol. The best is when you get that last order of the night trying to send you to fountain hills

[@ju9piter]

Thanks for your videos. How much is DoorDash paying you to promote their new program??

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

$0.00

[@notpump]

you should make a video on a full day as a top dasher working breakfast,lunch and dinner shift

[@RhinoDFS]

Why does Door Dash play these games with the $+ orders? Like why not just tell me that I'm getting $15 for 5 miles? Why do they have to say $9+ for miles instead? You want me to take the order, just tell me wtf it is. They really think I'm going to turn down an order for $15 going 5 miles if they just straight up tell me what the pay is? Some of these little games they play are annoying. I'm kinda convinced they hold tips from drivers that aren't top dashers honestly. Like if I have a 12% acceptance rate they give me an order for $8 for 3 miles and hold money from you. But if you're a top dasher the exact same order would show $8+ for 3 miles and it ends up being a $14 order. Therefore they'd be holding $6 away from a driver that's not a top dasher 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

They got rid of hidden tips for the most part, but now they hide the total from drivers in the diamond program. It's so weird and I don't understand why they're doing it

[@sl5946]

I rarely ever decline a Wildflower order I love the free lemonade 😁

[@uptownking3298]

You don’t sound like a independent contractor to me. It’s sounds like you work for someone that will punish you if you don’t work with there rules🤔🤷‍♂️😏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ju9piter]

Absolutely spot on. DoorDash wants you to be their employee, but they don't want to give you the benefits that most employees get. They've found a sneaky way to entice people to work only for them.

[@Dawgdasher]

Keep up your testing for your own knowledge. You will see that as a Top Dasher with LOP the dashing experience is completely different from most.

[@KCDoorDashGuy]

In the long run doordash is one big scam, I hope this corporate money machine falls flat on its face someday, we just need a smart entrepreneur to create a better system

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

It might happen one day

[@aocleader7950]

I do better with a low percentage rating top dashers tend to get more items more miles more downtime going to zone and less pay im totally a fan of those 1 mile $4 orders

[@theguster611]

I thought for sure you would be at the world famous Gig Con.......hmmm well maybe you are ?

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

Nope, I'm not attending

[@darielsantana5680]

I started DD last year and I even deleted the app after a month,,it sucks,,then I decided to give it a try again and it's even worse 😂😂😂😂,, purchase orders for like 3 bucks 😂😂😂😂

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

It's gets better the more you drive but I understand the pain

[@ts9576]

The whole Doordash 70% scam being promoted is kinda funny. This dude's channel is small but makes you wonder if someone threw him a few bucks to make the video.

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

I’m not promoting it. Just testing it out

[@ts9576]

@@PhoenixDeliveries Yeah but if you're halfway educated you obviously know it's a scam. But yet you're promoting it.

[@PhoenixDeliveries]

I wanted to see for myself if it was a scam. So far, it seems legit