Dostoevsky VS Nietzsche | Underground Man & Ressentiment | Psychology // Philosophy

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In this video I compare Dostoevsky's book: Notes from Underground with Nietzsche concept of Ressentiment in his book: On The Genealogy of Morality
I outline how The Underground Man is an identical, fictional personification of Nietzsche's concept: man of ressentiment and herd morality.
#Dostoevsky #Nietzsche #Psychology #Philosophy
References:
Dostoevsky's book: Notes from Underground
Nietzsche's book: On The Genealogy of Morality
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[@BIadelores]

The fact that Dostoevsky was never able to read Nietzsche's readings and was never able to write in response to them might be the greatest tragedy in all of philosophy.

[@crosstolerance]

You sir have struck in cord in me!

[@SawYouDie]

What would the outcome be 👀

[@jimc.goodfellas226]

Wow I hadn't thought of that, that is a real missed opportunity of history all-timer

[@mrpicky1868]

i think he's doing fine)

[@DanKaraJordan]

True, but he did anticipate most of Nietzsche's ideas and responded to characters such as Raskolnikov, Ivan Fyodorovich, and the Underground Man through the narratives of his works. His remarkable foresight into where the ideas would go next gets us most of the way to a direct response to Nietzsche himself.

[@Eternalised]

Wow you're covering all my favourite philosophers: Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Dostoevsky... Amazing videos, keep up the great work.

[@pawelpawlowin95]

Dostoevsky is not a philosopher though

Well this is weird. I just came across this channel, decided to give it a shot and the first comment is by you, which happen to be - along with Academy of Ideas - my favourite channels on KZbin. Thanks to all three of you.

[@williamkoscielniak820]

I was utterly obsessed with Nietzsche when I was younger, in fact he was the only author I read for long periods of time. My friend also lent me the book "Notes From Underground" and after reading it I was blown away and totally transfixed. It was BY FAR my favorite novel and still is. When later on I read Nietzsche speaking about Dostoevsky and going him the highest praises I was both blown away and felt such gratification. It was as if I had discovered some pattern. My favorite philosopher in human history sang the praises of my favorite novelist. Later on when I realized that both were considered founding fathers of existentialism and both were considered to have very related themes, my excitement and sense of truly discovering some remarkable on my own grew even further. To this day I love both of these men and am deeply indebted to them for helping me through some of the most hellish years of my life.

[@jimc.goodfellas226]

Extremely relatable my friend

[@jaipreetsingh6566]

Dostoevsky is the best .period!

[@thefinstasis]

@@ZulluBalti tbh I know what you mean. I’ve read some of Dostoevsky’s books (Crime and Punishment, Idiot, Notes from the Underground) and I really loved it and his themes and ideas. But I’m only acquainted with Nietzsche’s ideas through KZbin videos. I really do not wanna read Nietzsche now, because it’s kind of hard to extract all of the value, knowledge and ideas, when you barely have real wisdom and knowledge yourself, at age 21. I decided to start my exploration of philosophy and psychology with thinkers of a bit lesser caliber, and I think that it’s going to help me to build up some context for interpreting Nietzsche

[@grisflyt]

@Ruffus Vampir Pan-Slavism and anti-liberal, Christian right-wing reactionism are solutions? In 1861, returning to liberal St. Petersburg after his exile, Dostoevsky and some of his close companions began publishing a periodical called Vremya (Time) and started calling themselves pochvenniki: men rooted in the soil (Kohn 392)... For Dostoevsky, Russia deserved “loving intuition” because of its unique humility and understanding of the ills of the world (Kohn 399). He defended and praised the Tsar, the autocratic system, and the Orthodox Church as “necessary for Russian power and therefore for human salvation” (Kohn 400-1), and because he thought “… the higher classes… would use political liberty to subordinate the simple folk to their interests and ideals” (Hackard). Indeed, Hans Kohn argues that the most important parts of Dostoevsky’s political ideology were anti-Western sentiment and extreme Russian nationalism. In Dostoevsky’s mind, the Church served a vital role in the creation and maintenance of Russian identity. To be an atheist is to be anti-Russian due to a lack of belief in the “Russian God which is none else than the Russian nation” (Kohn 401). Pochvennichestvo (/ˈpɒtʃvɛnɪtʃɛstvoʊ/; Russian: Почвенничество, IPA: [ˈpot͡ɕvʲɪnnʲɪt͡ɕɪstvə], roughly "return to the native soil", from почва "soil") was a late 19th-century movement in Russia that tied in closely with its contemporary ideology, Slavophilia. Both the Slavophiles and the Pochvennichestvo supported the complete emancipation of serfdom, stressed a strong desire to return to the idealised past of Russian history, and opposed Europeanization. They also chose a complete rejection of the nihilist, classical liberal and Marxist movements of the time. Their primary focus was to change Russian society by the humbling of the self and social reform through the Russian Orthodox Church, rather than the radical implementations of the intelligentsia. The major differences between the Slavophiles and the Pochvennichestvo were that the former detested the Westernisation policies of Peter the Great, but the latter praised what were seen as the benefits of the notorious ruler who maintained a strong patriotic mentality for Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality. Another major difference was that many of the leaders of Pochvennichestvo and supporters adopted a militant anti-Protestant, anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic stance. In addition, it rejected the universalism of the Enlightenment period.

[@nicolassdelgadoj]

Probably two of my favorites writers, Nietzsche said that Dostoyevski was the only psycologyst he needs. Both can reach the intimacies of the soul.

[@fdormichajlovicdostoevskij3572]

Come on, don't tell me you prefer that crazy one to me!

[@mrpicky1868]

c'mon!

[@szilveszterforgo8776]

Found this channel a few days ago. It's just amazing, thank you very much for these videos.

[@brenocruz4426]

Great content. I'm a psychologist from Brazil who study Nietzsche's philosophy in my master's. Your video is satisfactorily didactic.

[@lonelycubicle]

Breno Cruz I took a philosophy course where the professor said Nietzsche never gave a philosophical reason for why master morality is better, Nietzsche just states it’s better because it’s more honest (if I remember correctly.). Do you agree with that? If not, can you recommend a book or essay that states Nietzsche’s philosophical reason for preferring master morality?

[@drealexatos3459]

"Though I have said that I envy the normal man to the last drop of my bile, yet I should not care to be in his place such as he is now (though I shall not cease envying him). No, no; anyway the underground life is more advantageous".

[@SawYouDie]

“Enough i don’t want to write more from underground”....

[@thetruth4654]

Dostoevsky is my favorite author and he is probably the person who has had the most impact on my Philosopical point of view although i do not consider him to be an existentialist, in some respects he is but from he`s writting on human nature he is quit clearly in the realm of rationalism(ie all humans have both good and bad qualities)

[@Joeonline26]

All humans having good and bad qualities isn't the definition of rationalism though and I would argue that to a large degree some of Dostoevsky's work pushes right up almost to the point of anti-rationalism. Whilst he doesn't advocate for a naive, anti-rationalist outlook, a lot of his writings are an attack on people who champion the rationalist philosophy (i.e. secular, rationalist thinkers like those in his book 'Devils). Similarly, think of that brilliant passage in 'Notes from underground', I'll leave you with the quote from chapter 8: " He would even risk his cakes and would deliberately desire the most fatal rubbish, the most uneconomical absurdity, simply to introduce into all this positive rationality his fatal fantastic element...simply in order to prove to himself that men still are men and not piano keys." If this isn't a commentary on the issues of rationalism in our secular age I don't know what is...

[@Joeonline26]

David Lenz totally agree, and by the way what a great book crime and punishment is. First read it in my undergraduate days

[@andrjuska9556]

As a person who adores both Nietzsche and Dostoevsky, this was a great video to watch! Good job! Keep it up. :)

[@meh4770]

Outstanding video, thank you so much for taking the time to make it!

[@julianhartley7581]

I’ve been skirting around both Dostoevsky and Nietzsche for years. This video makes me think that I might have been avoiding both because of what they they have in common which you describe here. I think you’ve inspired me to finally read Crime and Punishment.

[@alexdelarge8504]

i also was captured by dostoevskji’s notes from the underground, it’s a tiny book with full of philosophy and psychology. Brilliant video btw.

[@alikameraksoy9369]

Keep it up with these videos mate. You're sythesising such wonderful concepts in a very concise and educating manner. Thank you.

[@mannyd-y5246]

great vid! keep up the good work, it's nice to watch in a break from a levels

[@notbatman6976]

Great video... I noticed that when I read the underground men ( or atleast tried to because it was difficult ) that I only was capable of capturing and understanding the things I already experienced myself and the rest of his monologue made me sceptical about my drives and convictions, like there is a whole underground me below the darker me which I found truly interesting and bizzare.

[@jonathanandrescardenas1656]

I also felt a connection with the underground man, specially with the kind of person i was as a kid. I think he's also a part of Dostoyevsky, as each one of his characters. I loved the reflection at the end of the book, it's really shoking.

[@hugolorenz419]

just finished the book, and you do a video on it!! Fantastic as usual

[@davonevalentin9392]

Bro, it's graceful how you manifest your thoughts. Thank you for making this video.

[@fayizmujeeb8041]

You my friend, are consistent.

[@kevinkrause5701]

Wonderfully navigated. Thanks Ben I enjoyed this immensely.

[@businessman1912]

Great video! I read Notes From The Underground a few months back, and it's one of my favourite books. I'm a fan of Nietzsche, though I've not explored his repertoire quite as much. This video really displays the striking brilliance of these two individuals!

[@antkcuck]

Awesome video, great crossover between concepts

[@balrajsingh776]

Notes from the Underground was the first existentialist book I stumbled upon. It shook my core, and I read so many of my deepest and most unexplainable feelings in it. It inspired undertaking two trips to Russia in tribute to Dostoevsky. Last year I read 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' (Nietzsche)... It is so dense, and amazing (and I don't use that word lightly), I have been unable to read a book properly since. There are so many gems in there. It's the toughest self help, self love book you will read, I could genuinely feel his extreme passion and love for you to wake yourself up. Both books, and 'characters' are 'chemically combined with my existence' (as quoted in Notes from the Underground). I would add Albert Camus' : The Outsider also a part of me. A tip... Make sure you get a good translation of the books, because it can vary alot, and you can miss much if you don't like a particular style of translation. For Dostoevsky I liked : Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky translation. Nietzsche: Kaufmann translation.

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

Yeah I was thinking thing of taking a trip out to Russia because of this book, the architecture, mood and culture has always fascinated me 😊

[@balrajsingh776]

@@ThoughtsonThinking an awesome place, no doubt I will end up back there again. I even got the word 'Underground' tattooed in Russian script, from a place on the Nevsky Prospekt. Will have to tribute Nietzsche in some way too :)

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

@@balrajsingh776 put your arms round a horse in Germany 😂

[@balrajsingh776]

@@ThoughtsonThinking I would look in his eye as he is getting whipped "I understand you!!!!" (no 'evidence' he said that). What an 'ending' so to speak.

[@leulteferi1973]

Tt would be great if you could do a video on overcoming resentment as a follow up. I think Nietzsche talks about this on the genealogy of morals, but as usual hard to understand.

[@virtuerse]

This is clean man, just reread notes for the 3rd time and have Nietzsche’s genealogy of morals on my shelf rn, time to bump him up on my list. Good vid bruv

[@virtuerse]

David Lenz Yup, I started the beast. I’m walking into the fire

[@virtuerse]

David Lenz update: 50 pages in, hooked

[@virtuerse]

David Lenz Walter Kaufmann’s translation. Did you also read this version?

[@virtuerse]

David Lenz Thank you for this David. I’ll start comparing the first couple parts I read to other translations :)

[@FirozKhan-ut1iq]

A great video comparing the two giants of philosophy on addressing the riddle of morality so paradoxically woven. This phenomenon is caused by the absence of free-will and presence of determinism. Human species is a pawn in their lives at their hands, each strving in their own way to blow out these shadows: They want free-will but they don't have any. On this front, they are defeated and frustrated. They go for reconciliation with the determinism and its consequences are really negative. Humans are forced to be as they are to be under determined armor fati not as they want they should be under free-will. But there is no such thing in the living world. In the communist manifesto, we see Karal Mar Marks lamenting on the hitherto philosophers only interpreting the history but deploring their leaving the basic question how to change it, unresolved. The question arises how to use make sure that human beings born with slave morality are reborn by their being free from the complex controversies of enslaving themselves complacently in their lives afte birth but they don't accept the responsibility of being declared weak in their own lives by none else but themselves as they have anecdote is a good recipe for their rescue psychologically. But if they don't refuse to accept it, they will lose nothing but their chains as Karal Marks said in the manifesto. Master morality and slave morality are the products of human thought that are humans themselves and none else. Masters might be reborn as slaves and slaves might be reborn as masters if they were not determined by conditions. Now breaking the shackles is the responsibility of being declared weak or being treated stronger and hated by their antithesis, slaves. Both underground man of Dostoyevsky and oberman of Nietzsche in their stories are psychologically divided into a reality to be cured by freeing themselves as benefactors and beneficiaries timelssly or for that matter, as patients of superiority and inferiority of their complex controversies with their own realism and idealism born of desires to be precisely what they choose to be. These comments are my personal opinion on the Dostoyevskian undergroundman and Nietzschian oberman. Video producers not necessarily agree with the commenter views on the complex subject under reference here. Firoz Khan from Islamabad, Pakistan.

[@jimc.goodfellas226]

Just found this channel, great stuff

[@darrelkirtsch6767]

Nietzsche makes a brilliant observation that we presuppose free will, and then hold people responsible because they were free to do otherwise; but, he argues, that actually humans blame others first and then attribute free will as a way to rationalize it. There are psychology studies with similar findings. But this extreme individualism here, though devoid of resentment, seems to entail complete moral relativism. That's a tough pill to swallow.

[@andrewyoussef8500]

But in a way, that also tethers his main idea of the heard morality. The dependence upon others in order to make sense of suffering, rather than introspection and proper action in the world creates the emotional irresponsibility that the sheep crave because of their bitterness. On the other hand, Nietzsche rightly points that such a person that is antithetical to that (the Ubermench) must necessarily be rare, due to how prevalent heard morality is in society.

[@andrewyoussef8500]

Why do you suppose that he owes you anything in his writings? That he ought to have told you “what to do”? That’s completely against his writings. As far as I can tell, Nietzsche has a sense of subjectiveness (Amor Fati and Eternal Recurrence) which directs you onto proper action, without necessarily dogmatizing any one solution.

[@kallewarn]

I for one would enjoy more content solely covering The Underground Man. Fantastic book, probably one of my absolute favourites. I laughed out aloud several times whilst i was reading it. Highly recommend. Also its a rather short book, which makes for a quick read.

[@GioToLo]

Great work !

[@derek_dkf3772]

I will read the underground men, sounds interesting.

[@not_emerald]

It's an essential book, although it makes you really see the worst of yourself if you are really honest about it. And it's not pretty. It's one of the books that shook my world. (Although I knew it as Notes from Underground, lol)

[@Vgallo]

I thought it was quite boring and painful, having been the underground man myself, for quite some time, I kinda felt like I understood the underground man without needing to read the whole book and that reminding and remembering, kinda made me feel depressed.

[@faiz3711]

@@not_emerald I felt exposee at some parts, it was scary to realise how similar underground man was to me

[@thereversealmightystudios8978]

Dostoyevsky's nakedness of human psychology that most authors of his time would shudder to even think of writing makes the book an ultimate satire of humans. For the joke's on the underground man and all those that surround him.

[@jimc.goodfellas226]

If you're here, yeah, it's essential reading for you now haha

[@TheRaveJunkie]

I enjoy your videos, good job! If you could, in the future, please provide a citation for quotes you're using, so others can quickly look it up themselves, instead of having to scan the whole book. I don't mean for each and every quote, but atleast for the central ones.

[@Tom-mf5fu]

Finally found some deep philosophical analysis. Subscribing.

[@llRAMOSll]

Definitely need more videos on the underground man

[@miker2157]

Per the visuals here, I'm assuming you saw The Lighthouse. Great video!

[@DanKaraJordan]

It is also rather certain that Nietzsche read "The Devil" chapter of the Brothers Karamazov. He seems to pull explicitly from several elements of the Devil's argument, not even including Ivan's Geological Cataclysm, which seems to be a crystallized form of Zarathustra's ideal.

[@janhavimore3981]

I'm currently reading the notes , and I am really really looking forward to the 1984 and notes from underground video

[@sanuku535]

Hey. So, will you be doing a video on The birth of tragedy? I am interested even tho I have read what is inside since I just couldnt get what he meant that much. Or rather. That this book is mainly on music itself is I suppose smthg I should have realised firstly. Well anyway, will you?

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

I could do, will have to think about it

[@damianwootten]

I really wished they teach in school about Dostoevsky’s writing. Truly a man ahead of his time.

[@daveg4036]

Brilliant analysis. I’m currently reading The Idiot, Notes from the Underground is next on the list.

[@tyllrdrdn]

Some of this seems too relatable, I've got some work to do.

[@emmagamal5440]

Thanks alot bro 💛

[@eliamartari3032]

Hello, just discovered your channel and got me engaged from the start. Can i ask you how do you manage to cover so much material in so little time (seen the frequently released content), it would be a bless to use my free time covering even a fraction of what you do

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

At the moment I am spending pretty much all my time reading, research and studying necessary books to make the content, this is all thanks to the break that covid produced when it comes to uni and college. I would recommend just taking the plunge! 📚👍

[@rezapishkar3181]

i was just reading about this today!

[@RealBadgerScrutiny]

This wasn’t a “VS” this was a comparison :)

[@darkarts6903]

More videos on this!

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

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[@humanbeing130]

Superb.

[@milascave2]

Vs? Nietzche loved Dostoyevsky. And he did not like many other writers.

[@manuelavalos8293]

Yeah Nietzsche really admired the man. He himself said that Dostoevsky was the only psychologist from whom he had something to learn.

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

Totally, these "VS" videos are not exactly retaliations against eachother but comparisons if anything as you have seen from this video 👍😊

[@PoopMD]

Manuel Avalos don’t forget about Stendhal, Nietzsche praised him highly in Ecce Homo

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

What about Max Stirner, bought his main body of work recently, should come Wednesday, from what I heard he is an even more radical expression of Nietzsche but was alive before Nietzsche was.

[@smellymala3103]

Thoughts on Thinking 💯

[@trilllllllian4468]

I’ve recently been reading Notes on Underground too and it’s already one of my favourite books. Now I’m just unsure if I’d enjoy Dostoevsky’s other novels as much, or if it’s just the theme of existentialism in this one alone which makes it so perfectly suited to my tastes. Any recommendations?

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

If anything I would only stick with his 5 great novels as those the ones he wrote after having a hallucination type of seizure which supposedly gave him astounding writing capabilities, his others books before that were not very good from what I have heard.

[@AnnaLVajda]

When you say no to one thing though you are saying yes to another it's about priorities and focused attention. Sometimes we reject things that disgust us not because those things are like us but because they are not and when we see others accepting things that we ourselves reject then there are just more people to reject too. It's about choosing your own morality personally I would rather die than accept or tolerate certain people or scenarios in my life I will not live with willful ignorance or be an enabler of lies.

[@ZbiriB]

Chapter 8 in the underground man explains mankind’s pathology . Brilliant

[@fancynancylucille]

Second definition of SPITE: injury, mischief, shame, disgrace, dishonor. Mischief is different than the others. All but mischief imply that someone else, not oneself, caused the spite, and that it is to a degree JUSTIFIED, although never helpful, because it is always JUST more injury to the self. Forgiveness preserves the Self.

[@TheElhoff]

The chapter in Zarathustra titled The Pale Criminal is all the proof you need that Nietzsche read Dostoyevsky. It's a psychological summary of crime and punishment.

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

Interesting but I don't think he read C&P before writing TSZ, maybe he did? It would be uncanny if not

[@williamkoscielniak820]

@@ThoughtsonThinking It certainly would be uncanny but wouldn't surprise me one bit if that was the case. These two individuals put their thumb on many of the same exact issues and came to many of the same conclusions. They were quite simply the two most penetrating psychologist of their era (and maybe ever for that matter)

[@annierendfer]

Please do a video on "Notes from the Underground" 🙏

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

Check out latest upload! 😊

[@bazzaouimohamed9874]

R E S S E N T I M E N T

[@samsankey9521]

Hi, Nietzsche called Dostoevsky a great psychologist after reading 'house of the dead'

[@Dave-um7mw]

The 'sheep vs birds of pray' part remind me of the arguments used to encourage gun control here in the USA. I disagree with the 'strong people should always express strength' part though.

[@FreedomSpirit108]

grate vid

[@jacondo2731]

i am trying to get into Nitzche soon , but in that way i decided to Continue my studies on Psychoanalysis and other cases and Philosophies , Nietzche would feel New To me if i have the Chance to read him other then that what is Interesting is the case of Slave Morality what is it and how it Interpellates you .

[@GeorgeStanleyStan]

Reading Beyond good and evil Alongside Dostoyevsky or Jung is a very powerful combination 👍

[@jacondo2731]

@@GeorgeStanleyStan Though it would be Wrong to assume a dual case in Psychoanalysis as Freud and lacan and stopping there like an Absolute Train station as it is called "Terminus" , i had not Considered Jung but for now i would as well as Dostoyevsky and Thanks for reminding me sir !

[@milesbowen9433]

That was quick

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

Seeing my studies are finished at the moment I'm spending close to full time on the channel 👍 on the grind 😊

[@ScaniaEtPalingenesis]

I don’t know why you’re saying that it’s “reported” Nietzsche read “some” of Dostoevskys books. Dostoevsky was Nietzsches psychological master. He read every book written by Dostoevsky and he claimed Dostoevsky was one of the greatest men who ever lived. “The only psychologist (Dostoevsky) that has taught me anything. Finding him belongs to the biggest happinesses of my life” - Nietzsche Besides that little note, your channel is great. Subscribed.

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

I think you are being a bit picky really, I read that he didn't read all of Dostoevsky's books but only some while you are saying he read all of them but ultimately that doesn't really matter the fact of the matter is that he found his works extremely worthwhile which is great! Glad you like the content, welcome to the channel 😊

[@ernestmendez5487]

​@@ThoughtsonThinking "I think you're being a bit picky really" and "ultimately that doesn't really matter" -- you talk like a pretentious dissembling slimeball who can't admit that he's dead wrong. How do you not know that Nietzsche worshiped Dostoevsky? And why are you pretending that it isn't important? And now I can't even watch this because of your ungainly and thoughtless pretense of "VS." What an ugly sensationalist garbage title. Dostoevsky influenced 20th century thinking in general and Nietzsche was a fucking light-weight. That's like doing Miles Davis VS the beatles. A totally uncalled for and undeserved comparison.

[@aaronmartinez2003]

Записки из подполья - отлично! Также Ницше. Also Sprach Zarathustra!

[@esscate]

Tldr: Might means right

[@account1307]

One thing I would say as constructive criticism, is when you are reading quotes from books and it's a person talking; try and read it as if it were a person talking, because this conveys the meaning of the sentence better :)

[@CynicalBastard]

*Slave morality in the early ressentiment and the creative deed of Christianity* Seems a bit paltry a conclusion. We can assume that every king who has ever taken to conquest is also due to receive ressentiment based on those actions: not based on the ressentiment itself. The ressentiment is not causal, it's reason is adduced as being "just"; which goes into Nietzsche's theory of justice [essentially, what amounts to a 'Hobbesian exchange'] which elicits a sentiment that posits that the endeavor to will-formation in a democratic sense, in a sense of judicial restraint and juridical openness to fairness, to a punishment befitting of the crime, proportionally, or to exoneration, is 'evil'. I don't know if I'd agree with Nietzsche's theory of justice.

[@originalpastaman5470]

Is the bird of prey due to receive ressentiment from the lamb? A noble man would seek "justice" through personal action; to enact and enforce his will to counter and surpass that of the conquerors.

[@CynicalBastard]

@@originalpastaman5470 And so the conqueror becomes the conquered. Eventually.

[@jbdmb]

I wonder how much of neiztches resentment man was an unconscious autobiographical as he describes in beyond good and evil

[@gritoderepudio1297]

Power to Truth on the spot.

[@sasha6454]

"...someone who would have felt the poignant charm of such a compound of the sublime, the morbid and the childish." -Nietzsche regarding Dostoevsky.

[@dukejivetalker7541]

Unanimous draw. Great fight.

[@ignasibatlloripalacio1683]

Hey ToT, do you know the arab philosopher Al-Ma'arri? You should do a video about him, he lived if i recall right in 1200 and was an antinatalist, atheist, lived in Syria, was blind and very well respected at that time. You should take a look to it! He has very interesting thoughts and quotes. Just discovered your chanel, suscribed and bell activated!

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

Thanks, will check him out! 😊

[@sandeepsaroha7593]

Every slave secretly relishes in slave morality until Nietzsche puts it to light.

[@senpaitm8742]

What's your favorite Dostoievski book? And your top 3 favorite phylosphy books

[@balrajsingh776]

Notes from the Underground (Dostoevsky). The Dream of a Ridiculous Man (Dostoevsky) - only ten pages long. The Outsider (Albert Camus) Thus Spoke Zarathustra (Nietzsche) That's the order in which I discovered the, I couldn't exactly place them in order of favorite. Each book is a part of me.

[@senpaitm8742]

balraj singh AWESOME! I wanted to start reading Dostoeivski but don't know where to go... i was thinking of Crime and Punishment

[@balrajsingh776]

@@senpaitm8742 most welcome. Notes from the Underground is a lot shorter (100 pages odd), and it is split into two parts. It is very dense, and you would need to be in the right frame of mind at the time to appreciate and follow it, especially the first part. If you are 'new' to this kind of philosophy/books, I would recommend Albert Camus's (The Outsider), a very short book also, easy to read, and it leaves you in a daze for a few days after. It really is a fantastic book in my opinion. If you do go for this, the translation by Sandra Smith is a good one.

[@senpaitm8742]

balraj singh thank you very much!!! I know Camus, but i REALLY wanted to start reading Dostoievski and Nietszche books

[@senpaitm8742]

balraj singh mainly because of Peterson's lesson over some books

[@Dan-ud8hz]

The superfluous man is an interesting concept that holds a lot of insight into reality. 'Conservative', as a description of a person, has also been a euphemism for the inability or unwillingness to molt the dead self away. Great comparison between Dostoevsky and Nietzsche. One thing: to maintain credibility, you might consider avoiding lumping Peterson in with Nietzsche. Peterson's condescension isn't helpful or insightful, it's poor plagiarism of trite platitudes. Joseph Campbell better articulated most of what Peterson blathers on about in his recorded lectures and books without drifting into irrelevance and nonsense. Nothing against you, I appreciate your channel. Keep it up! A paragon of ressentiment (and some contrast): "I don't take responsibility at all." "Make America Great Again!" Impeached President Donald Trump “Responsibility is a unique concept... You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished. You may delegate it, but it is still with you... If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion, or ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else." Admiral H.G Rickover, Father of the US Nuclear Navy, 'World's Best Dad' “The snake which cannot cast its skin has to die. As well the minds which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be mind.” Friedrich Nietzsche "Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love." Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

Well said!

[@anandixitin]

Admiral 👏👏👏

[@jimc.goodfellas226]

Didn't FN say that Dostoevsky was "the only psychologist from whom I had anything to learn" ...or something like that

[@elver2863]

Subtítulos en español por favor

[@kubasniak]

good lord... the underground man is me...

[@OceanRoadbyTonyBaker]

Excellent

[@andrewmarkmusic]

Two wrongs don't equal right...

[@colindonald3161]

Nietzsche writes about reading the house of the dead, so he definitely read that

[@jarrodyuki7081]

Fyodor is a super fly in a world of ants second only to kant.

[@christopher92051]

" res·sen·ti·ment"

[@yusufahmed3678]

I disagree with Nietzsche's justification of the oppression of the weak, which he had presented by the analogy of the sheep and the birds. Consider this scenario - If it is objectively impossible for the weak ones to transcend a particular incapibility of theirs, then i do not think it is morally justified for the oppressor to target the weak on account of that incapibility. A healthy individual making a fool of a crippled person is an example of the scenario i have presented. However, if the weak ones happen to be oppressed on account of thier idiotic blunders and incomptence in general, then i would consider Neitzsche to be right.

[@fierypickles4450]

It reminds me of petersons analysis of the columbine killers journal. It was brimming with this sentiment, especially the arrogance.

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

Can you link me to the video?

[@fierypickles4450]

@@ThoughtsonThinking kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX-lkH14pdmlmck

[@williamaxtell3613]

Nietzsche never seems to allow for man's natural nepotism. His ideas are obviously perceptive but it seems to me that if a sheep were born to eagles and an eagle born to sheep and the two were set into combat, the eagles would use their power to force an unnatural victory for their child, their own sheep. As humans are societal beings, I'm not sure how far survival of the fittest really goes for us, especially as the society grows in number.

[@seanu6840]

There are other reason for resentment then jealousy or inferiority complex

[@scusethegoose4077]

More Dostoyevsky in the future

[@eamonnmurphy1844]

Many of the lambs he refers to choose to be lambs, not out of fear but out of wisdom. They turn their back on the life of the "bird of prey" even though the birds of prey call them cowards! The birds of prey live by the sword and are destined to fall under the sword, while the lambs are finally freed from a life struggle to stretch out on green pastures.

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

So it's wise to be a lamb and let your own baby lambs get killed by the predators? Then use their strength as example of evil?

[@eamonnmurphy1844]

@@ThoughtsonThinking The lamb will protect its own!

[@ajmosutra7667]

👍🏿👍🏿

[@alenbacco7613]

What kind of mad man could actually get all the way through crime and punishment?

[@JonnaaM]

I’ve tried a few times

[@connorslipp3302]

I finished it a week ago! It was a challenge for sure, the end of the fifth part was brutal, but the ending is pretty satisfying, at least philosophically. I would definitely recommend trying again and make sure you choose a good translation :)

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

Yeah! I got the book a year ago, put it down and then finally got round to notes from underground as it is much much shorter but I will definitely get through crime and punishment at some point 😊

[@MrCementer88]

Its quite hard to read, but keep going. Its worth it. I limped through it one time, and then reread it. The second time was much better as I had a grasp on the names.

[@connorslipp3302]

I haven’t read notes from the underground yet but I’m taking a course this coming semester focused on Dostoevsky so I’m sure I’ll get around to studying it! Just found your channel recently btw and I’m loving the content so far!!

[@fancynancylucille]

The commentator says that the Underground Man was "suspicious to respect medicine", well yes. But the Underground Man did say that he DOES respect medicine, but then says that he is "sufficiently superstitious to respect medicine". He's not just trying to be funny. The joke hits to the core. That to respect medicine, one would have to be extremely superstitious. He overrides his thought process, and refuses to respect them. Why shouldn't he? It was the nineteenth century. Most of them were quacks. Many still are. Of course he is suspicious, but he doesn't state that plainly, because the whole point is to show you his process.

[@StephanieG1]

Don't forget that death is inevitable. It is only the body that dies however as the soul or Atman is immortal. You can spend your life straining every muscle and nerve to become super rich, famous or make astounding scientific discoveries. These external activities will cause you to neglect your soul in favour of the here today gone tomorrow body. At the moment of death you cannot take a single penny with you. Your fame will be quickly forgotten. The eastern religions emphasize Being over Doing. The above will be wildly unpopular with most people especially Americans who are exceptionally materialistic. They will accuse me of sneering at them and being full of resentment, an underground woman.

[@dariacostea3278]

It is exact the opposite. Our body doesn't die it transforms, first in dust than in ground than in a lot of other forms, it doesn't stop to exist, on the other hand WE DIE, OUR SOUL DIES, our memories our thoughts our fellings, our emotions our existence dies

[@mwmann]

Everything these guys thought and wrote and said had all been done before. The Bible and the scriptures within it are the greatest guideposts on how to live a life. The belief in God is truly the beginning of all wisdom.

[@andrewmarkmusic]

Sophia created the Demiurge...

[@oreocarlton3343]

Good video. Nietzsche was a critique of postchristianity , not christianity. God gives and takes away strenght. Amen!

[@johnharris8872]

The fact Peterson is ever quoted in the same breath as Nietzsche or Dostoevsky is just cringeworthy...excellent video though, it'd be interesting to see some Heidegger

[@ThoughtsonThinking]

Yeah, I only through it in their because a lot of people mentioned in the vote on the community page about me stealing his job? 😂

[@Detrahere]

Why? Don't you think JP can teach us something? Or do you think he is overrated? For the record I don't find it cringeworthy at all... I believe (and I think I speak for a lot of people here) that he has earned the honour :/

[@garryjones1776]

The fact you put some people above others simply because you do not find their ideas worth mentioning is cringeworthy itself. I read Nietzsche, and some of his work can be described through the eyes of normal person as madman gibberish, especially in the Will of Power, not helping is also the fact that he was mentally ill from syphilis, and he was notoriously bad with women to extend that he would be called incel nowadays. So tell me how is that bad that Peterson is quoted with the same crazy incel. (I like Nietzche's work btw just encouraging you into changing your view bout your standards)

[@ScaniaEtPalingenesis]

Peterson always screws up Dostoevskys characters and meaning. I like some of Peterson’s lectures, but his intellect is very overrated. And I say this as a man of the Swedish alt-right. My critique of Peterson is a critique viewed from the right.

[@dariusmalone740]

@@garryjones1776 This video is about him being against resentment, one of the defining features of incels. And that sounds like a total rejection of saying some thinkers are just leagues ahead of others. It'd be like objecting to someone scoffing at comparing a bench player in basketball to LeBron James. Thus Spoke Zarathustra and a pop self help book 12 Rules for Life just don't belong in the same sentence, sorry

[@perunseles8791]

Of course he did read Dostoyevsky.Wth did u think.He constantly said so. The vary last name Nitsche means nothing (nihilism )in Polish’ Hitler was a underground man who wanted to be the Superman.He was a resentful little bugger whit his Jew hatred What Dostoyevsky and Nitsche unleashed became something of a new religion.But I especially love Dostoyevsky. And even tho Nitsche is more seductive he is flawed i many areas

[@christophersnedeker2065]

From what I've gathered Nieztche's attack of christianity is the attack of a strawman, what christianity really teaches isn't slave morality but a synthesis of slave and master morality. It doesn't value weakness misery as such like slave morality allegedly does it in fact values strength and well-being and out of love and compassion wants to spread it to man. "I came that they may have life and have it more abundantly" "the works that I do shall he do also and greater than these shall he do"

[@perun814]

Nietsche was heavily influenced by Dostoyevsky,,,in fact he based his philosophy on Dostoyevsky literary psychology….However n Ietsche was wrong…his will to power gave rise to totalitarianism and totalitarian mentality..Dostoyevsky was right when he said….that will Destroy you…regardless how seductive it sounds

[@Lexthebarbarian]

Master morality: Devout right. Slave morality: All kinds of political correct people. All kinds.

[@mingonmongo1]

True, and hard not to notice how the political 'extremists' on both sides of the spectrum, seem to share that same quality of 'resentment'... towards edumacated 'elites', the gubmint, 'Globalism', neo-libruls, ebil 'others', etc.. And a certain amount of 'PC' itself isn't the problem (aka, commonsense & courtesy'), as it is when the the 'uber-righteous' extremes unilaterally decide 'morality' for _everyone else,_ hence the term, 'Moral Narcissism'. But in a way, they're both also very 'Authoritarian'... they just pick different kinda 'authorities'.

[@alexsveles343]

Dostoyewski was the first who said humans are devided into ordinary and extraordinary. Sure u can have will to power,,,.(transcendence) ...but remember that's nit power at all but destruction,,.,as world War 2 eventually proved 5o be.. Dostoyewski idea's initially were vary similar to what nietsche would propose. But dostoyewski tought this m9re throughly and said n9...it will lead to total destruction of the European continent

[@perun814]

dostoyewski crime and punishment....nietsches take on it was master slave morality .dostoyewski was terrified of the consequences it that emerges all over the continet...so was nietsche. this will lead to bloodbath