Why Nietzsche Loved Dostoevsky

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction
03:14 A bookshop in France
06:22 Know thyself - or don't
11:16 Ressentiment
16:54 Conclusion
Nietzsche first discovered the works of Fyodor Dostoevsky in 1887. This is relatively late in his intellectual career, yet the Russian writer still had a profound influence on him.
He called Dostoevsky “the only psychologist from whom I had anything to learn” and read a few of his novels in French translation. The very first novel he read was Notes from the Underground, although in a botched, low-quality French translation.
Still, it’s highly likely that Nietzsche got the idea (maybe even the word) of ressentiment from Dostoevsky. This French term appears 4 times in the book that Nietzsche read, and while inklings of the idea were present in earlier works, it was not until the Genealogy of Morals (written in 1887, so the same year as his discovery of Dostoevsky) that the word would take centre stage in his philosophy.
Dostoevsky describes the inner psychology of the Underground Man, touching upon themes of isolation, cognitive dissonance, struggles with nihilism, and most importantly (for Nietzsche) resentment. He describes the man of “heightened consciousness” who does not immediately strike back upon being hit, but plots and thinks and analyses his revenge instead. Out of weakness, perhaps, or simply because he thinks too much about the question of justice.
In any case, this lingering has nasty psychological side effects. Dostoevsky describes this man as a mouse, who hides in his mouse-hole and feasts on his own eternal spite. Over time he might even start to enjoy this wallowing in self-pity.
This describes almost to a T, Nietzsche’s idea of ressentiment. The condition of the slave, who cannot win from his masters (the strong) in the real world and therefore takes recourse in an imaginary revenge. This slave morality would ultimately give birth to Christianity and other so-called Hinterwelt philosophies.
But what Nietzsche admired most was Dostoevsky’s psychological insight into what makes us human. The portrait of the Underground Man is dark and deep, the type of psychology that Nietzsche first envisions in Beyond Good and Evil, the new “crown of the sciences”, a psychology that dares to leave morality behind and venture beyond good and evil.
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[@danielkey929]

Do an indepth analysis of Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

[@FirstmaninRome]

Only the french would have the balls to rewrite Dostoyevsky, omg

[@ip-sum]

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[@WeltgeistYT]

@@ip-sum No

[@samlazar1053]

We all hiperboreans .We all Ruzsians

[@Nietzsche666]

Nietzsche is one of many characters in Dostoyevsky's works

[@tetrahydroscope]

A redeemed Roidya walking the earth would be soothing.

[@lancewalker2595]

There is a character in Demons who has a conversation about existentialism in a strikingly Nietzschean tone, can't remember his name off the top of my head, "Stavrogin" maybe.

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[@lancewalker2595]

@@user-ud2lq7rr8k Yes that's it! His name is more memorable to me now because of his disturbing yet hilarious death.

[@JenLight]

This is so true 😅

[@texasred1894]

This channel has gotten me into Nietzsche and Dostoevsky's writing and I am quite appreciative.

[@Jabranalibabry]

Don't disregard Ol'Shoppie too

[@mnemonyss]

Same here, I became an avid reader of Dostoyevsky novels

[@The_Wanderer_And_His_Shadow]

It is interesting, how nowadays, we take for granted these great 19th century works and how easy access is to all the books we want and all the information about the authors, but the people who lived in that time may miss some great pieces of literature or music or art. Recently I've read very nice biography of Nietzsche "I am a dynamite" by Sue Prideaux and there she gives information about how his books were selling during his sane years and usually the copies sold were between 100 to 600... And it makes me think of that how important works can be easily missed by the contemporaries.

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I've read that exact biography book. It's truly very good one!

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My heart legitimately skips a beat when I see a new video from you appear on my feed. It’s because of this channel that I decided to dual major in philosophy while I’m in college

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who is major in philosophy and which of you won the duel

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Literally same lmao. What’s your original major?

[@willb295]

@@younes7671 Biology. I’m a Premed

[@colinproctor1346]

Subscribed before watchin the vid cuz of your comment

[@redeyedtiger]

Based

[@Mnnwer]

Damn I feel kinda bad for Nietzsche never having got to read The Brothers Karamazov.

[@FM-dm8xj]

Niethze being an atheist would have vehemently loved it.

[@Mnnwer]

@@FM-dm8xj Nietzsche was not really an atheist though.

[@FM-dm8xj]

​@@Mnnwer he was

[@Mnnwer]

@@FM-dm8xj Not in the normal sense of the word.

[@FM-dm8xj]

@@Mnnwer yes tho

[@marcpadilla1094]

I read it. I don't remember reading Dostoevsky's psychological profile of the stories in it. It makes sense now. I somewhat gathered the same impressions from the stories. Stories of disappointment, unrequited love, self sabotage, always building up for the let down as the actual climax. What do you give the man who has everything. Failure. He squanders success for failure.

[@darthJ9]

Just the thought that these two intellectual giants were lost in thought at the same time on this same planet and unaware of each other's existence is just mind boggling to me. What an almost surreal time to have been alive.

[@bertalanfabian5742]

Insanely good as always. Thank you for the great work

[@alexsveles343]

Dostoevsky is not only a incredible writer but has all the qualities of a prophet

[@svengroot3909]

Love your videos mate, keep going!

[@gregpappas]

Looking forward to more on this link!

[@Firmus777]

Nietzsche doesn't often love, but when he does, it is unrequited.

[@paulie4037]

Great video as always! The passage at 15:50 I think is where their viewpoints differ most drastically. In the Brothers Karamazov, this exact lens of ressentiment could have been placed over the dynamic between Ivan and Aloysha. Dostoevsky instead makes Aloysha 'the hero' of the novel, and Ivan's ideas cause him to descend into despair (presciently mirroring Nietzche).

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Amazingly summarized and organized! This was my first video that I’ve seen of yours! Subscribed!

[@1988Gabbo]

Beautiful work

[@im_not_political2026]

Just discovered your channel and falling in love with your content - especially this video That said, it would be very helpful if you were to make more playlists for your channel, specifically to subdivide your analyses of specific books by Nietzsche (Antichrist, Ecce Homo, etc) to make them easier to follow Other than that, thank you!

[@mechanicsfield2266]

Thanks for your great works Weltgeist! Oswald Spengler was buried with a copy of Nietzsche Thus Spoke Zarathustra and a copy of Goethe Faust. It might really be that Spengler is the one that gave us the key to understand history. Will be a lot of work...but make a series on Spengler.

[@neo-nkrumahist5765]

Spengler is rightfully forgotten, his classification is just ridiculous, the only valuable insight he had was in arguing how the current Euro-American West is not a continuation of Ancient Greece and Rome.

[@emZee1994]

I second this

[@wordcel]

@@neo-nkrumahist5765What a stupid comment

[@Uniule]

@@neo-nkrumahist5765 The only valuable insight? Every page of Spengler has valuable insights about something. Every culture-civilization has a lifespan after which it falls. Greece and Rome were both of the Classical civilization, not Western. Judaism-Christianity-Islam (and Byzantium) are all parts of Arabic (Magian) civilization, not Western. And many many more. He could not predict though that USA would become the continuation of the Western civilization and its falling stage.

[@neo-nkrumahist5765]

@@Uniule Most of Spengler is Wishy-Washy and any time he speaks outside the context of Europe his writing is nonsense, especially the concept of Magianism, ill grant that the concept of life cycles of civilizations is intresting but the idea of rise and fall of civilization was hardly new even during his lifetime. Also clearly you arent actually familar with Spengler as he absolutely did say that America was the final stage of Western Civilization.

[@thabangofficial]

Please do a series on Dostoevsky

[@pablohb4]

Great work brother, thank you!

[@ayda2876]

I really enjoyed the way you made that video, really great insights

[@noahb5019]

Your philosophical summaries are brilliant.

[@WeltgeistYT]

Thank you!

[@jmiller1918]

Fantastic video. As a reader and fan (but not follower) of Nietzsche, and a reader and fan of Dostoevsky, I had still never heard about the French mashup book that introduced N to D's writings. Well done, Sir!

[@jmiller1918]

@@TheDonkeyHot I am a follower of Schopenhauer. I believe in a "Hinterwelt" of a transcendent Will, and I don't exalt this life. I can't say "yes" to this world in perpetuity. Nevertheless, I have read all of Nietzsche that is available to me in English and admire him greatly as a writer and a thinker.

[@TheDonkeyHot]

@@jmiller1918 Interesting opinion. But Nietzsche's philosophy didn't suggest "exalting" life, but only not criticising and accentuating "bad things" as all they just a part of the way of birthing of greatest and most valuable things which is rare, but their rareness is the main reason to like them. For Nietzsche criticising life means criticising it backwards in time which means you criticize also everything good and best ever existed. Nietzsche never let thought "What if" affect his philosophy; in that point he stays nearer to scientifical accuracy of understanding life. Mathematician for instance cannot despise fact that 2+2 is 4, but simultaneously love some more complex formulas in particular. All or nothing.

[@AbrainboomO]

Nice!! About a year ago I decided I had to read Nietzsche and Dostoyevski and, now, having read quite a bit of both I can comprehend what I was searching for. Thanks to your videos this endeavour is easier so, thank you🙏

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Alright, I’m subscribing:) loved it!

[@lazarnikolic4958]

Well done.

[@end.olives]

Just to add on the concept of resentment by nietzsche being "stolen" from dostoevisky: he also said that Ralph Waldo Emerson was a sister soul of his, and if you read him you find that many of the ideas are the same. And one of those ideas is that: whatever one can grasp on the thoughts of others were already his thoughts from the beginning. Also relates to the old buddhist writtings, and i find it a very wholesome thing that they all sort of tie together. One cannot steal from the mind of others the same way one cannot be but himself. In every copy the thief leaves his trademark, and a keen eye can see that the copy is nothing but a copy, thus the phrase " to immitate is suicide".

[@MattScofield]

Would enjoy reading more on how they tie together, Buddhist writings on imitation? One cannot steal from the mind of others... this sentence is nice needs be unpacked a bit. I'm trying to see the relation clearer

[@luked4043]

Excellent. I was just thinking there were some similarities between Nietzsche and Emerson. The superman is self-reliant?

[@end.olives]

@@luked4043 Certainly, i dont think Emerson went as far as to create an idea of a scientific ""god"" as nietzsche did (at least not to the point that i've read him). But when it comes to human life and power, they had the same opnion.

[@end.olives]

@@MattScofield it was Emerson who wrote "envy is ignorance; imitation is suicide". Whatever you can grasp with your mind is yours. The same way a blind man cannot know what colors are through description, i cant understand something unless i already had it within me to understand it. In this such way, we find on others, that part of ourselves we share with them. Its a hard concept to explain. One cannot be but himself, and if he try to immitate others, he sacrifices what is unique about himself to strive for what is unique about someone else which is impossible to attain.

[@luked4043]

@@end.olives A lot of comparative analysis to be done… I’ve read Emerson but I hardly consumed. His prose can be quite difficult.

[@cheapvery8811]

This channel helps so much in understanding the literary tastes of the early and late periods of Nietzsche!❤❤

[@raskolnikov1461]

Interesting. Love the accompanying images in this video. Beautifully done. Imagine if he would read Karamazov Brothers…

[@WeltgeistYT]

Thanks for watching

[@perkinscurry8665]

Thanks for another interesting and insightful video. Just one minor correction (I think). I believe it's more properly "Notes from Underground" without the "the". "THE Underground" has the implication a political movement that I don't think was intended.

[@damianclifford9693]

Excellent videos , thanks to the makers. The approach of Nietzsche has the flavour of our 'right hemisphere ' , Kant on the other hand is quite 'left hemisphere ' , it's a sort of hall of mirrors , chosen destination, fixed and categorical in approach, as stated by Nietzsche. Some say that the brain's hemisphere differences are cod science. But that is old news and has been debunked comprehensively. The work of the great polymath Iain McGilchrist demonstrates this - a video looking at philosophy through the lens of hemisphere differences would be very interesting. Thanks again.

[@ChristianSt97]

great video! however i miss the content on schopenhauer.

[@johnny_veritas]

Great analysis

[@PastPresentFutureWorld]

The meaning of life is what we make it. Spread love, always.

[@fratbarsmeric901]

Didn't knew about the whole translation. Interesting to know. Would like to know more about conflicting opinions of these two men.

[@xelldincht4251]

It's quite interesting that both came up with the concept of the Übermensch ("extraordinary' people" in the case of C&P) independently but both have opposite views on that. What a shame both never got the chance to discuss this

[@alecmisra4964]

That was very interesting indeed. I always felt notes from (the) underground was inspired by Gogol's diary of a madman, though it is a quite differnt work. Crime and Punishment (which you may cover later) in a sense affirms Nietzsche's view which is that going "beyond good and evil" (ruthless pursuit of an ideal) is harder than it seems, since it triggers all sorts of innate and ingrained psychological reactions. N would have agreed with this analysis. Interestingly Raskolnikov's model was Napoleon, yet R is merely a tawdry figure who fails right from the start. Again, the "higher man" is rarer and harder than it seems. As a final point Nietzsche"s later views on Christ (as the holy fool), which you may also cover later, seem to have been influenced by his reading of the Idiot.

[@andreascovano7742]

Ironically Crime and Punishment is probably the most anti nietzschean work there is.

[@jarmstrong6811]

I don't think Ivan Karamazov was intended by the author to be the hero of that story. Most of Dostoevsky's novels were about the dangers of the philosophy espoused by Ivan K.

[@poquelinjean-baptise]

Yeah. The hero of "The Brother Karamazov" is Alyosha.

[@westernnoir4808]

Alexey was supposed to be the hero as Doestoyevsky said but he thought he had failed because Dmitri turns out to be the hero and Alexey a milksop.

[@tfdinformation7534]

So amazing and so freeing to oneself

[@rockym.g.3827]

Fantastic, do you know the story of Nietzsche and the horse saw being beaten? It's strangely similar to raskolvnikov's dream with the horse

[@Jabranalibabry]

Yeah, it's largely considered a myth though, it appeared in an Italian tabloid if I'm not mistaken 11 years after Nietz died. The historicity of the event seems dubious

[@uncleusuh]

@@Jabranalibabry But I find it strange that why this particular myth was associated with him.

[@Jabranalibabry]

@@uncleusuh I don't, Nietzsche was a particularly strong influence who made people introspect. That iconoclastic striker would inspire people to make him 'mad' or suffer.

[@AI-Hallucination]

Couple of minds we need these days intellectual people are hiding

[@markoslavicek]

How do we make sense of Dostoevsky's religious undertones and Nietzsche's disdain for them? Would he change his mind about Dostoevsky if he read Brothers Karamazov as he eventually changed his opinion on Wagner upon seeing some of his later operas?

[@Jabranalibabry]

They agree with what the state of mankind is at the time and for the next 2 centuries but diverge on what to do about it. Dosto takes a more Kirki route and Nietz is like nah, we go Uber, baby

[@markoslavicek]

@@Jabranalibabry This comment is gold 😄

[@Jabranalibabry]

@@markoslavicek I don't know why exactly maybe it's because Nietz writes poetic but I hear him rapping when I read him plus it makes him more accessible too 😂 you're welcome bro 👊

[@markoslavicek]

@@Jabranalibabry If _anyone_ of the old gang, Nietzsche would be MC today, I'm sure. I read Notes from Underground long ago and can't recall anymore if there was anything Nietzsche would dislike about it. Based on his impression, obviously no. But already Idiot (two or three books written after this one) uses direct Christian metaphors (Myshkin as Jesus, Rogozhin as Satan, etc.). Of course, Nietzsche had no internet access to all these books as we do today, so his opinion on Dostoevsky was based on those few texts he managed to accidentally stumble upon. I would be really curious to hear his take on Karamazov. But I also assume it wouldn't be too different from how you summed it up. Cheers 🍻

[@Jabranalibabry]

@@markoslavicek I agree and I think Ol'Shoppie would be a great DJ too whereas Hegel would be a mumble rapper If you read Nietz a little historically one of the main gripes he has is the direction of intellectual effort of his time. The over sciencification of knowledge and the loss of aim for philosophy. I think Shoppie influenced him here; so he does give regard to anyone like Dosto who at least appreciates the greatest problem i.e. loss of meaning that needs to be a focus but yeah he wouldn't agree with his conclusions though and as a sidenote dosto is an artist-philosopher too, something Nietz always appreciated. I've always found Nietz to be a very unique thinker.

[@luked4043]

Excellent

[@WeltgeistYT]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@jimc.goodfellas226]

Dostoevsky was "the only psychologist from whom I have anything to learn" -Nietzsche

[@danielkey929]

Do an indepth analysis of Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

[@sylviaowega3839]

For me revenge was always pointless, -even against someone that was very hurtful and evil. It is a waste of emotions, passion and energy.

[@josephvito9177]

i'll write it in arabic: إن اجتهادات غيرنا ممن هم افضل في الغور المعرفي (بمعيار ساعات العمل) هي فعلا محل ترحيب واعتراف فيم يقتضيه التوازن الطبيعي (كل حسب تعريفه له) ولهذا فقبول الاخر -خاصة المجتهد - هو واجب للتطور واعادة النظر او انتقاد استخدامه للعلم العميق (المتشابهات بالتطابق في بعض الزوايا واهمال الابعاد الاخرى...الخ) يبقى حقا لكل الاطراف على حد سواء. لهذا فٱن كل مايجلب الخير والمنفعة والتوازن هو محل ترحيب وكل ماهو كرة نار تلعب للانارة وتحرق للاثارة. (وهو ما يرسخ فكرة وجود فكرة) ونتفاءل

[@end.olives]

Hey, this hits too deep hahaha, thanks!

[@domingoateo1277]

My theory is that if one feels inferior to another in a hierarchy, they can create a new category of hierarchy where they can artificially, or perhaps naturally, place themself above their superiors in the original measurement. The hierarchy in religion is the greatest of the artificial in my opinion. There is nothing empirical in those measurements other than memorizing another’s words.

[@nandakumarunni4497]

Yes inviting darkness to wound one's self to find out the essentials that formed the dialectical human heart. To find one's own chaos not to escape it but to use it as a tool to stay human.

[@pitfighter871]

All this, assigned anguish is not necessary to assume as ones lot. It is standard to reconcile memories of irrationalities and abuses with dismissal and still feel cheated. The modern man cannot have revenge without also consuming his own life against the act (Crime and Punishment) This is a double bind. Nietzsche, postures as a revolutionary. But likewise with words. Albeit powerful, thunderous, Beethoven odes to triumph. He is still kept dry in walls and protected with Laws he obeys by assuming the submissiveness to act within restraint and reason. Instead of clamouring, with all the genealogy of violence we have inherited We feel stupid for being quiet and have little reward for beating ourselves into submission. It feels as thought all of world would prefer to be annihilated in a orgy of violence noise rather than carry on as quiet readers. We are of the flesh after all and it was this stuff that really wanted anything heroic after all.

[@themistoclesofathens4178]

he loved him because he ripped off his whole 'original' philosophy from the Devil's monologue in Brothers Karamazov. Dostoevsky literally penned Nietzsche's core thoughts on a couple pages as an atheist fancy.

[@beefjackie]

I want the subtitles for it!

[@alexsveles343]

Yes he has read crime and punishment and orothers k. He said so clearly in his letters to his Sister

[@harzroller9862]

He's calling me out

[@chrisrosenkreuz23]

the ego even though is acting additively, nonetheless came to be subtractively - that is to say by way of ignorance it has been assembled into existance by the mind, from the mind by obscuring what has been deemed unfit. in the process of knowing oneself one cannot hope to learn anything in the traditional sense, but in fact unlearn what has been learned.. this is what they both alluded to

[@thabangofficial]

Weltgeist, what do you make of this, knowing the polar sentiments that both Nietzsche and Dostoevsky held regarding Christianity?

[@sylviaowega3839]

The concept of equality in the American Constitution, in which predicated on the tenet of Scripture “that man is created equal under One God” works very well for the American culture and psyche, however

[@marcgrant2225]

its not notes from “the “ underground but notes from underground the difference being that underground is not a place, it is a perspective.

[@MrLeonardodivinci]

Wow, an nameless protagonist. This kinda reminds me of the “Narrator” from Fight Club.

[@kullekusk8136]

Interesting; Know thyself - or don't. JBP (perhaps he got it from Dostojevskij) claims there's no difference between being depressed and thinking about how you feel. Seems a bit over-simplified, but it has some truth to it.

[@kendrickjahn1261]

Wow, what a scoundrel that French translator was.

[@piotrczubryt1111]

Christianity of Nietzsche is not the same as Christianity of Dostoevsky. I understand declaration that "God is dead" differently; In the Western Christianity God was turned into an intricate concept, that in the time of Nietzsche was falling apart. Dostoevsky approached God in apophatic way, as an unfathomable Source. So I see Nietzsche and Dostoevsky as being both right and as kindred souls.

[@victoroldright4381]

I think it's getting obvious we are Existential. Yes we are Existential. as is as we are. Alive existing nothing else

[@momcilomrkaic2214]

Don't Nietzsche and Dostoevsky come to opposite conclusions in the end. For example Raskolnikov writes about Napolean as a super humam in crime and punishment but his bad conscious wins in the end. He finds salvation in the new testament which Nietzsche would ditest. Also Ivan Karamazov goes mad near the end of the book, I find it interesting that Nietzsche also went mad.

[@ripvanwinkle1819]

Nietzsche was a poetic moron, his supposed realism representative of his own mental illness materialized

[@TheApsodist]

I think it is important in a video such as this to put forward honestly and clearly the biggest difference between the two authors: that one is a Christian, and the other is an anti-Christian.

[@piotrczubryt1111]

Christianity of Nietzsche is not the same as Christianity of Dostoevsky. I understand declaration that "God is dead" differently; In the Western Christianity God was turned into an intricate concept, that in the time of Nietzsche was falling apart. Dostoevsky approached God in apophatic way, as an unfathomable Source. So I see Nietzsche and Dostoevsky as being both right and as kindred souls.

[@guadalupefreyre5900]

1:11

[@georgepalmer5497]

Maybe it means that I am not an "ubermenche" but I am starting to realize that I need an all powerful being who is the arbiter of all morality in my life. It's necessary for me for a number of reasons, but I am still determined to remain apart from most organized religion.

[@youssefsammouh501]

Nobody is an overman, dw

[@georgepalmer5497]

I was speaking metaphorically. I doubt the whole construct of the overman.

[@youssefsammouh501]

@@georgepalmer5497 metaphor of what?

[@youssefsammouh501]

@George Palmer and my point btw was to say that I also doubt the construct of the overman. If the idea is a man who creates his own values, then I can confidently say that that is impossible

[@jmiller1918]

@@georgepalmer5497 The Overman may well be inevitable. The distance between us and the OM is far less than the populace of N's day. btw, the OM may not be what most people would imagine him to be.

[@user-we2qv1cx6x]

I find Kierkegaard has similarities with Dostoyevsky, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche too. Even though Kierkegaard was Christian, but the four men had ideas that complemented one another. At any rate, all four are favorites of mine. Jung too!

[@freeman8128]

"The only pschologist from whom I have anything to learn" Nietsche on Dostoyevsky - Both men were insane.

[@johnwebb9242]

Need to keep in mind that translating Dostoevsky is difficult even for the best translator, so do we really know what he is saying from a translation? I suspect that the translator of "L'esprit..." may have felt it necessary to add text because he struggled with the translation.

[@victoroldright4381]

I'm sure Frederick would be happy to hear We exist. yes sweet beautiful tortured man we exist. Exactly like the ancient Greek Warriors doing their duty. No different. Happy to survive the battle.

[@garyfrancis6193]

I thought they were just friends.

[@tomislavseric1829]

In Ecce homo he speaks about ressimente too!

[@alexsveles343]

Because all of Nietsches ideas can actually be tound in dostoyewski books And that ideology is what makes Russia so difficult and why russia was in war whit everyone around itself

[@bearcb]

All that connects with another Doestoevsky's admirer: Sigmund Freud

[@jameslafontaine5557]

If there is anyone who sees this who believes they intimately understand Neitzsche's works and has devoted substantial effort in contemplating his work, and finally who has come to believe it fully, please respond to me. I want to talk to you.

[@Wickerman-tf9oy]

He was wrong. It is possible. Whether it’s needed or not? Depends on whether you want to be truly happy in life.

[@alexsveles343]

Not just nietsche....vary much anyone who understood what dostoyevsky was talking abohr

[@imadboles3431]

I don't think Nietzsche understood Dostoevsky. He just used him as a launchpad to advertise his own thoughts.

[@HenryCasillas]

☮️

[@xxxYYZxxx]

If God is dead, what is death? What does imposing human conditions onto God tell us about the philosopher, are they not covertly aggrandizing themselves? After all, if God "loves", "creates", or is "dead", then are we not ourselves "just like God", at least in these aspects imposed thereon?

[@victoroldright4381]

I dunno Think maybe Dostoyevsky was kinda cynical about human nature. Also black and white characters throughout his books. Still loved reading his stories and face it they are Stories.

[@fedyaglorka]

я слышу акцент.

[@WeltgeistYT]

Guilty as charged

[@alexsveles343]

Nietzsche early work(genealogy of morals)is not something special. Then he read dostoevsky (first crime and punishment then all the others). Then he wrote his own stuff like this spoke zaratustra. But nietsche welcomed some of those destructive ideas like superman.ubermensch in German trancemdant man in Russian. He said we should be like roskolnikove.Ammmm.ok...and u saw happens in ww2.hitler stalin and 20 other dictatorships Anyways they should be read together since they explore some ideas and are prophets of the new religion and also why nobody will ever take Russo without destroying the world first. And also why nazis burned Books but made movies about dostoevsky and nietsche. Dostoevsky ideas were common in Russia since napoleon but dostoevsky just wrote about them in a vary open way

[@simpelman]

Nietzsche AND Dostoevsky were both astrological sign Scorpio.

[@PauloDiBoa]

Nietzsche was a libra though

[@belleme861]

Nietzsche was not Scorpio and he was nothing like a Scorpio.

[@westernnoir4808]

Constance Garnet wasn't a good translator. Omits and changes thoughts.

[@Justjoey17]

Even if God is, everything is permitted for now, I am just as free in this life whether God exists or not

[@benquinneyiii7941]

Hamlet

[@Mantras-and-Mystics]

So did Dostoyevsky ever find a way in which "the mouse" or man of résentiment could be free of this affliction? Asking for myself here .. 😅

[@WeltgeistYT]

Not really no… not in this particular instance

[@Mantras-and-Mystics]

@@WeltgeistYT Obviously he didn't have the internet! 😅

[@traattatata7973]

Practicing forgiveness. That is the only way.

[@alexandartheserb7861]

01:45 I think Nietzsche read Crime and Punishment and comment it in Zarathustra section The Pale Criminal. I also think he criticized Dostoevsky philosophy of love (vs his of fight) with saying: "Not your sympathy, but your bravery hath hitherto saved the victims"

[@smallscreentv1204]

Wow, shocking. Neitsche was a plagiarist. But, what would you expect from a sophist?

[@mikegim9954]

why use AI generated Bacon fascimilies in the background of this?

[@WeltgeistYT]

It’s actual Bacon

[@mikegim9954]

@@WeltgeistYT ah sorry you're correct. When I reverse image searched it I got an article about AI generated Bacon art, but misunderstood that the one you showed was not legitimate.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

Dost is goat

[@krukrok5218]

I can't read Dostoevsky 😵 I'm lost as fck

[@kinggundragon3728]

You should start with the idiot it's a rather straight forward story.

[@hamssayusuf1430]

@@kinggundragon3728 yeah , even with "white nights" , short , easy and beautifully written.

[@alexsveles343]

Actually WRONG. ALL NIETWCHE WROTE WAS GENEOLOGY OT MORALITY AND THEN HE DISCOVERED DOSTOYEVSKY...and then he wro5e this spoke zarathustra and superman In his letters to his sister he consinstantl6 says dostoyewski was the greatest fortune he was ever found Anyways dostoyewski was literature guy and nietscye was a philosopher but the ideas they both try to explore amd tackle are the same ideas

[@h_nt_r]

"Why Nietzsche loved Dostoevsky" University Nietzsche professor: SEE Nietzsche WAS gay.

[@cesardaia4912]

God is dead is a Hegel's proposition.

[@SatenSheets]

I dabble in philosophy, but I fundamentally don't' agree with the underground man. I think that regardless of your ability to fight back, or hold it in. it wouldn't matter how you went about dealing with negative forces. I think Dostoevsky and Nietzche dismiss the punching person as a different individual unjustifiably. while I would say that both people (punching or passive) regardless of how they go about defending themselves, will be hurt at their core and mentally disturbed mutually.

[@alexsveles343]

Dostoyewski Nietsche and rise of stalinism and hitlerism and all the dictators of europe(there were at least a d9sens of them)...this is something dostoyewski was profoundly concerned whit.but nietsche welcomed it Even usa whit rise of trumpism...but usa is different a bit And the question remains....HOW DID DOSTOYEVSKY SEE IT COMING