Dota 2: Achieve Immortality with God-like Positioning | Pro Dota 2 Guides

[@Andytlp]

i played against a smart zeus who stood at like 1k range from a team fight every fight and that meant him dishing out huge dmg without dying ever. If there was any indication of threat he just blinked back another 1k range and you just cant chase that far without your team fighting 4v4 while the zeus is still spamming nimbus/ult. I was so impressed by his play that i couldnt even be mad at it. At the pivotal last team fight i caught him off position, his blink was just used so i used my own blink and time walk, ult and offed him. He had already bought back and that secured us the win from almost a certain loss.

[@atreuskratosson755]

"wouldn't be a Zeus player if I didn't steal the kill." 😂😂

[@Jenkins69]

You have to get into character when you play Dota. An immortal god would steal every kill surely

[@canhacoglu6090]

@@Jenkins69 we all know it's cuz zeus players usually steal kills

[@Okuni_]

@@Jenkins69 hahaha....NYX NYX

[@kristoffersonsandiego9631]

Lmao facts

[@mammatin7612]

Good video, but i would like to see a more objective video when your team isn't leading by that much, and how positioning wins a clutch fight. This was like the best case scenario for your team, while simultaneously being the enemy teams worst possible fight. Their team had very little reliable initiation outside of the axe. I find it increasingly difficult when playing against invis heroes or storm spirit etc where you constantly have to play around sentry wards, or stay behind. Props on this video tho, i dont mean to be negative.

[@Jenkins69]

Agreed, there are harder games, certainly. But that's one thing with Dota, is that games look really awkward and unwinnable for the enemy team. Like, I've been in positions like this on Zeus where Lina is very farmed and killing me constantly, or Axe. The fact that they have quite a few heroes to jump me from a relatively long range makes the game actually quite difficult. The only reason this game was easy is because we took an advantage early. I just wanted to clarify that this game only looks easy because we have the advantage. This draft is probably close to 50/50. The only reason we had an advantage at the point where we were fighting was because we played it well in the early game. With that being said, however, it's still important to know how to play from behind (like against a Riki or Storm that's very farmed and killing you a lot), so I will definitely make content on that. Just wanted to clarify this point because I thought it was interesting. Thanks for the reply and positivity.

[@majesticfool]

The fundamentals of positioning still applies here though. It's less about certain scenarios, and more about critically thinking about it in each game. Jenkin's can't make a video for every scenario you'll face in dota.

[@samuelellringmann3424]

@@Jenkins69 very cool answer. I think too often we look only at one specific fight and deem it unwinnable. But we dont consider what we did in the 10-15 mins leading up to it that might have made it winnable. Something that BSJ talks about as well. like he'll literally say 10 minutes into the game: 'this death happend because you didn't pull your first creepwave'

[@BicBoi1984]

Man every time I have a shit DotA experience I just come here for a nice vid and I'm fully reset, literally can't wait to go play some more! Thank you

[@Jenkins69]

That's so awesome to hear man, because resetting is really really important for MMR growth (and subsequently skill growth, as well).

[@MrDopestDope1]

and go back to play a game, and realize nothing has changed, and think why....why...why did i play again. oh god make it stop.

[@stropex2165]

That's why I love Storm Spirit. You wanna do damage from a safe distance? Storm says NO :D

[@romeothelovedoctor]

Great video! We need a whole series on positioning in teamfights, breaking down different teamfights with different hero perspective. 👌🏻

[@EmpiricalPragmatist]

Camera placement at 12:55 Jenkins!!! O_O Of course I am only noticing this stuff cos of your camera placement video! Keep up the good work! :)

[@FaKaLe]

Great video Jenkins! @DotaAlchemy. I'm at 12:21 and already learned a ton of new stuff.

[@darylstacruz5301]

Jenkins' so strong! Thanks for giving motivation to me. Wish me luck in my last four solo and party calib!😂

[@reynardmanuella323]

Wow this guide actually helps a lot Even tho I make some mistakes I did what this guide says Never overcommit Then I can easily win my lane with just that one trick

[@TheLastResort1987]

so using my team mates as bait? SIGN ME UP!

[@siryoucantdothat9743]

Just a tip that even better than playing on the edge of the fight that will make you a monster if u got fast reflexes but it only works if u have vision on the enemy team initiator like axe for instance in that fight lets say he had vision on zues and hes about to jump him with blink zues click on axe the cyclone before axe get in the range of the blink dagger and use it lets say 1500 range away now axe is locked on the cyclone cast as zues start running toward axe to cast the cyclone the moment axe jumps he get lifted because there is 0 cast animation on cyclone compared to axe taunt which requires 0.5 sec to cast and his initiation is wasted for 10 sec resulting in his death ( when you use blink it doesn’t make you disjoint casts that has not been casted yet for instance ss hex if ss used hex from 1400 range away from axe the hero will go towards axe until the spell is used but it must be done before axe use his blink or its too late ) the enemy team could instantly lose the team fight , this shit is very risky but very rewarding it could work with 4 items force staff / cyclone / hex / orchid the least affective is the force staff because its just gonna screw up axe taunt with 600 range away from you also you could do the same trick with your blink but for this to work you need to bait axe at the tip of your blink range so when you hover the mouse over the blink you could notice the range indicator as you know blink is 1200 range so axe got the same reach as you do you could just wait until axe get close to the tip of your blink dagger range and you immediately blink away making the axe blink and taunts empty ground it can work vs enigma which is even more devastating if he wasted his ulti trying to catch you and fails Now if zues applied that in the last fight he could baited axe to jump him and invoker pretending to be at bad position zues sees axe about to initiate and he hover over blink dagger to see the distance between the two of them axe is like 1500 range away from him he cast the cyclone saving invoker and making axe fuck up his initiation and GG

[@soundaholixx]

Love this video because important topic and perfect relatable example as Zeus is my main hero and I have been wanting to learn how to use him in the offlane in this 212 meta

[@dann1_]

Best Dota 2 learning channel

[@h00db01i]

perfect intro, sylvan vedette best cosmetic

[@jbmanalac3424]

6:18 im really mad that u ddnt fog into the trees before tping so the wyvern wont cancel ur clarity.

[@Jenkins69]

>.>

[@MrDopestDope1]

wow such a micro analysis from you. probably a 1k player

[@jbmanalac3424]

@@MrDopestDope1 am i wrong? High tier players make mistakes too. I just pointed it out.

[@karanvirsingh7829]

@@MrDopestDope1 Salty scrub

[@tingispingis]

I have a 13 lose streak now I'm just on break watching Dota Alchemy videos

[@Jenkins69]

Gotta reset, my man. Find your happy/confident place and your itch to play Dota, then go whoop some ass.

[@dota2_is_life65]

Mine is 15😢 from 4.5k to 4.1k

[@muriyu]

Your tips helped me a-fucking-lot. Still no increase in mmr tho but im getting commends even upon losing games.

[@daywalkernightstalker3828]

Do you have any specific advice on how to reduce the addiction in dota? 4k scrub here and been struggling to balance college life and dota. Tyvm Mr. Jenkins

[@aidzsfc28]

Make sure you study before playing. Or do our ass...ingment

[@mikeylejan8849]

Dark seer is a great hero for teamfighting

[@giestrella2299]

thank you for teaching and giving tips how to play well. wp! bro

[@Unite_jL]

thank you for fixing the audio :)

[@Jimbo-yn4fh]

Another amazing and very helpful video♥️♥️♥️ God bless you and this channel ♥️♥️♥️

[@jusufmuaremi2714]

Jenkins is underrated smh my head

[@amiraligh6493]

dota 2 guru's of the internet

[@christophermumper4143]

He lives in boulde CO. Thats where michael scott lives

[@CXraable]

I think showing a team fight when your team is 13k up is not a good example, let’s be honest, if your team is 13k up, MOST people know how to approach the fight, not all but MOST

[@ezekielleveriza4071]

Skelesan I agree. These things become more glaringly obvious and make a bigger difference if you got stomped as opposed to being up 20k gold

[@Jenkins69]

Definitely valid critique. There were earlier fights that were similar, or at least won based on similar principles. Kinda just chose one that looked cool and analyzed it. Will do a more even one next time.

[@MrDopestDope1]

i completely agree with this comment. i have seen this too. the loosing team thats falling behind wont do positioning and warding and bullshit. winning team always play 2xbetter while owning. what matters is the comeback gameplays, those are content that provides real insight to a game.

[@CXraable]

Andrew Jenkins holy cow, you actually agree , I hope you don’t take it in a rude way, was just giving my opinion

[@SamuraiiZack]

Love this channel!

[@vvibulo7595]

is that coimmercial in the end?

[@darylstacruz5301]

Hope you give me some more tips, coz everyday I'm waiting for your video.

[@baburamprasad926]

Nice work!!

[@BimSekai]

1:19 to 1:35 I don't get why zeus is supposed to deal the magic dmg when Invo is quite good at doing it too. Anyone care to explain ?

[@meh4374]

I'm not going too deep into the numbers and details, and also note that I'm just a 2k scrub trying to help a fellow dota player, so yes, i could be very very wrong. The thing with invoker is yes, his kit combined makes he can spam spells, but since his individual spells itself have a pretty long cooldown, that makes him unable to constantly spam damage skills (meteor and sunstrike) compared to zeus (lightning bolt and lv 25 talent chain lighting + nimbus does consecutive nukes). Other invoker spells are mostly used to distrupt fights (deafening blast, ice wall, emp, cold snap, tornado) or escape (ghostwalk) or manfight (coldsnap, spirits, alacrity), the last one of which forces him to fight the enemy head on, which is bad on that game unless you're completely crushing the enemy. Meanwhile, zeus is able to spam his skills from afar, and avoid getting rightclicked by TB. Therefore, invoker's job this game is mostly to just disrupt fights so the enemy won't be able to get ontop of zeus, while the zeus deal as much damage as he can while getting as far away as possible from the enemies (which invoker can't do because of the aforementioned reasons)

[@haider4698]

Great Vid!

[@flabby9999]

Your intro is so much cleaner and better!

[@rishabhsharma2221]

Axe respawn timer 152 sec. He probably respawned in the next game

[@Jenkins69]

Poor guy took it hard all game

[@autismpower5248]

Face to a name, finally

[@h3llhamza]

love your videos

[@tichaonarombayi8991]

man I would give anything just so you continue making these. Just wish there was a guide for absolute noobs

[@dotatipsntricks]

What exactly do you think we are missing?

[@tichaonarombayi8991]

@@dotatipsntricks may be that came out wrong but what I really mean is that I'm absolute trash at this game and I see what you do and I just feel that I wish I knew more than just what's here on the channel

[@Jenkins69]

[@Ramzi99]

Jenkins

[@StivensGameZone]

Listen me pal..i have 75%winrate as witch doctor from 700 games..i do like all..ward deward stun heal gank damage...best positioninf too...when my team.sucks..i lose..whatever i do.. so thats it. If u have bad teammates..nothing..3.7k mmr max after 2 years playing..

[@EmpiricalPragmatist]

Send him a game replay and he will pick apart all your mistakes. :)

[@Nopanop]

3:05 dire heros farting the whole time stinking the map , dont know what they ate

[@doktorfickle2077]

Now... What to do when my net worth is the same as my net worth in real life? (nothing to be exact)

[@macrany455]

I just want to ask politely , how is it possible that you understand and teach us so much about Dota but you only have divine 1 as your rank. I’m immortal rank and I still learn a lot from what you teach from your videos and the critical thinking that you apply to make decisions in game. Sorry If I offended you man, have a good day.

[@wizardlizard8213]

Jenkins is rank 100~

[@chiclet132]

he is rank 198 man

[@TAJJJ23]

Lmao

[@ninjadoublecurry]

i guess you're talking about donny...well, the thing is, dota requires 2 kind of skills, analytical and mechanical..you could just be a god at laning and reach immortal mmr..while being a potato at thinking about the game strategically..while donny might be good at thinking about the game but might lack execution..

[@Jenkins69]

This is actually a good question, and it's the reason that there's really great analysts/coaches that don't have high MMR. Simple answer: remember in high school when you gave all your buddies relationship advice but you didn't have a girlfriend? Ya. I remember too. XD It's real easy to give advice but quite hard to follow it. More complicated answer: 1) in retrospect, it's easy to verify if something was a good/bad play (take Chess, for example, it's quite easy to verify if a certain set of moves will win the game, because you just do it and see, but it's hard to come up with that set of moves). 2) Dota's an impulsive game, because there's so much to it--you can't just know things you gotta have them be instinct. This takes a lot of practice and knowledge on how to actually practice. 3) Pubs are about being consistent, psychologically, not just knowing things. 4) The list goes on. There's actually quite a few reasons people can be good at giving Dota advice/strategy but not their rank.

[@oussaoussa2072]

whats ur rank top 1 immortal

[@oussaoussa2072]

ty for ur video awesome

[@nathanprentice8526]

intro song name plssssssss

[@fartalone3142]

i dunno why i watch this , i dont even play ranked , i just play for the sake of playing

[@sarthakmansingh6933]

I thought he was wearing a headphone lol

[@shallabais5676]

Jenkins cut your god damn hair ur a handsome dude mate

[@gregorygeneris1039]

What happened to the other guy

[@TERRWWN]

Why they don't pick AM?

[@ninjadoublecurry]

AM be garbage yo

[@ezekielleveriza4071]

Romir Moza I agree. In this meta early fighting is much more common so only having 4 heroes is big and the most am can do in 15 minutes with threads and battle fury can’t only spilt push and hope to get a few of the enemy heroes out of the fight. But if you know it’s going to be a long game AM can do so much. In 30 minutes if the am can’t fight because there is a Sven or CK then you just build pushing items like AC and I’ve even seen necrobook on AM because he can’t fight and can only rat and he got tier 3 and barracks in 2 minutes.

[@ninjadoublecurry]

ezekiel Reiner Leveriza I would argue that even a 15 min bf on AM is wishful..that hero will always get dumpstered in a 2v2 after which he has no game since am can’t farm without a bf (unlike tb Luna pl, the meta carrys)..

[@Eoskamera]

Just take the Aegis

[@Ianadelio]

pro player godlike positioning example : gh

[@Quagmire8]

It's Splinter Blast, not sponsher blast lol

[@Jenkins69]

thx nadir

[@takaskylos8903]

all you say there is good dude but if you are in lower bracket and if you dont have good vision like this you had you will probably lose the fight.and even if you are good enough and you avoid dieing if your team is dead you will probably lose the game.Isnt that right?

[@MrDopestDope1]

TB and ww are higher rank than him. so applying the bigger pec guys do bigger benching theory, they didnt care about position and all that mumbo jambo but they still have a higher rank than the guy who minds positioning. so what does that mean?

[@h00db01i]

man, to verbalise all of this is so ... cheesy I mean it can win you games but if that's what you're about stop playing online games doing that defaults you to a loser in any grander scheme 8)

[@jejusss]

Sup nerdsssss nice tips

[@Matias-be5bi]

I got immortal and lost interest in dota. This led to a huge lose streak. No more goal, no more excitement in games. Be happy if you haven't achieved immortal guys.

[@MrDopestDope1]

you mean you bought an immortal account while you are a 2k player and thought you dont deserve to be in 2k, so tried playing immortal level, and they start owning your ass. and you decide its not your fault, so to justify this, you make a comment in youtube like a proud man.

[@Matias-be5bi]

DopestDope wtf are you talking about...

[@basharshehab5803]

@@Matias-be5bi don't worry bro, some people just can't dream of getting high mmr so they accuse everyone better than them of account buying. I got the exact same thing after I reached Divine 1 for the first time. Then I lost interest quit for a week and when I came back it was a lot of losses. Hopefully 7.20 is exciting

[@h00db01i]

haha, you whiteknight shitters. he can post dotabuff or attempt any proof. until then, he's a 3k shitter dreamin of having enough money to buy an immortal account and experience what he described. impostor, we don't need you here. FUCK OFF!

[@h00db01i]

and if you think that was toxic, go ahead and delete your comment your lies are what's really toxic kkthxbye

[@BB8enjoyer]

anyone teach me how to reset after murdering a key enemy hero After i spent my defensive mekansm like bkb. (DO NOT REPLY IF UR BELOW 5000 MMR)