Double your FPS for FREE!*** - Nvidia DLSS 3.0

[@GargamelTheGreat]

Don't you just LOVE how its available ONLY on the 40-series? Such an awesome feature.

[@rambo64bit82]

Cause $$$$$

[@AGuy-vq9qp]

Almost like tech needs the appropriate hardwarwe to run on.

[@zox101]

And for 2k ! 😂

[@pikeyMcBarkin]

I'm sure someone will figure out how to enable it on 30xx cards.

[@-BarathKumarS]

@@AGuy-vq9qp BS,FSR 3.0 Which is similar to DLSS 3.0 has been confirmed to be used on any gpus.

[@nfsm654]

Love that kilksphillip got featured in this video. I was mindblown with his demo of the decoupled rendering/input idea. If the big enginerds get their big brains on this we're in for another gaming revolution, and I'm excited.

[@AGuy-vq9qp]

I came up with the idea myself too. Main issue is the game needs to be first person, with all parts belonging to the player being rendered separately. (As is done in most titles.)

[@passintogracegoldenyearnin6310]

This is an extension of other ideas, like how the interface in games is excluded from DLSS. This is also related to the idea of true predicted frames as opposed to these post-processed inserted frames that increase latency. Total latency should be about one frame more than with DLSS 2, so the lower your frame rate the worse it gets. This technology has been discussed for a while to improve VR's frame pacing and reduce nausea.

[@TheGc13psj]

@@AGuy-vq9qp why do you think it needs to be rendered first person? 2KliksPhilip specifically showed it working on a third person demo, and there's no reason it wouldn't work on like a top down game as well, especially using foveated rendering

[@LofiTurtle_]

@@TheGc13psj The issue with some 3rd person cameras is that the rendered image that gets moved by mouse inputs is only from one point of view, but a 3rd person orbit camera would change it's position as you rotated it. Projecting an old frame and rotating it wouldn't account for the change in position. You can see this easily when using low-powered VR (like a quest) and moving your head quickly. Your view rotates smoothly, but foreground objects still stutter as they move with respect to the background.

[@Bagginsess]

@@AGuy-vq9qp there is no difference between first and third person games because they both use a camera. Whether you place the camera on the characters head/chest or floating behind them doesn't matter because the mechanics behind the camera opperate the same in both cases.

[@zouloum9607]

Awesome to see DCS mentioned. I'd love to see it included in your benchmarks. As a heavily CPU and memory bound game, It would be really interesting to see the difference between Raptor Lake and Zen4 V-Cache.

[@bartbroekhuizen5617]

Zen3 V-Cache already helps a lot, just ordered the 5800x3D. Can't wait to see a 7800x3D. But the biggest flaw of DCS is that its to much based on a single core. Vulkan is on its way, but has a long way to go i guess.

[@dolphin069]

@@bartbroekhuizen5617 two weeks.

[@WhyitJellyDonut]

Honestly never thought I'd see it lol.

[@memelephant]

Holy shit i was not expecting to see growling sidewinder

[@TuriGamer]

"""game"""

[@ThePedrobl]

I'm so glad Anthony mentioned 2kliksphilip. He had some really good points about the input lag especially in competitive shooters scenarios as well

[@atemoc]

Yesss

[@SusmitDS]

No one uses any DLSS in competitive shooters in any case.

[@nowonmetube]

Wait there's input lag?? Wtf! What's the point then. My TV does some image improvement as well, but it's unbearable to play games on it. Maybe nvidia would work with TV manufacturers together and sell their DLSS technology along there.

[@nowonmetube]

@@dm1i then it's not "competitive" anymore.

[@vikandreas7]

@@dm1i If you have a 40 series card you should be getting pretty good FPS in most competitive shooters already. I think even just playing casually the tradeoffs most likely would not be very worth it.

[@Jehuty997]

Man, klikphilip really deserved the shoutout. It's a brilliant video with a lot of great ideas explained really well, so happy for him 🔝

[@li_tsz_fung]

Let's not forget his brother 2klikphilip and 3klikphilip

[@kazioo2]

I'm surprised people only recently started only talking about it. This was already heavily discussed as a tech potentially useful for traditional games *10 years* ago when Carmack published his Timewarp research (titled "Latency mitigation strategies") in the early 2012, when he was still at iD Software and even in original paper he mentioned use for normal games, especially cloud streamed games. But it was mainly for VR, so I guess people not following progress of VR tech didn't know much about it.

[@comradestinger]

​@@kazioo2 I think it was also, and still is, very hard to get across in video or writing exactly "what" async-timewarp actually is. Even to developers it usually requires actually showing them for it to click. It sounds like voodoo but is at least in theory quite simple.

[@meric12131415]

Who's that now?

[@donpercent]

He says he sees no cheaters in cs:go. Thats enough for me for anyone to have 0 credibility and to never watch him again.

[@evan_ack]

For me, frames don’t always win the games, but CONSISTENT frames definitely help

[@cozymonk]

Frame response time is way more important than FPS. How long do I have to wait for my inputs to show up on-screen? That's what really matters. being concerned about frames is a gross simplification of that.

[@ImNotPeso]

Yeah, i agree with both of you. Frame response times are important for competitive games, and a consistent frame rate is important for having a good overall experience. Really depends on the games you play but id argue for the casual gamer a consistent frame rate is more important than a blistering frame response time

[@nicolaicornelis2853]

So in other words; frames win games.

[@MrDavibu]

@@cozymonk I mean it pretty much depends on the refresh rate of your display and it's response time and the response time of the software. It's just a different metric which measures something different. If you can't have a high frame rate you won't have great input response. I mean you can delay frames until the last possible time point before the panel refresh, which would be the best answer in terms of input response, even better than producing more fps, but if the frame takes longer you'll miss the panel refresh, but this also depends how fast a frame takes to be rendered (frametime), which is inverse proportional to fps. The other thing is smoothness, even if you have very low input lag, but otherwise low framerate the game would still be awful to play I agree to a point that fps shouldn't be seen as low input lag, as many people do. but it has it place for a reason.

[@evan_ack]

@@nicolaicornelis2853 if you wanna see it like that, then yeah

[@CallumIsRaving]

My day instantly gets better whenever a video hosted by Anthony gets uploaded

[@GeorgeJFW]

Honestly he needs his own channel, wake up LTT!

[@Seekah_]

@@GeorgeJFW Anthony Is LTT!

[@theTECHIEE]

Or night 😂

[@michaeldesell7081]

I first thought you said "My dad instantly gets better...", but i guess thats also true. Thats how awesome Anthony is

[@nhojlagap6222]

Couldn't agree more

[@samdickinson8212]

Can we all just respect the way that Anthony puts these videos together. I love the work you guys are doing. Keep it up.

[@pirojfmifhghek566]

Pure ASMR.

[@xerxesmontes9828]

He is very charismatic and likeable

[@leafbelly]

I agree. They should keep him on, whether it's Anthony or Emily

[@GruntyGame]

If only Eagle Dynamics added FSR or DLSS to DCS. Also really like the Anthony and Adam pairing on this video.

[@AxiamWolfe]

Those of us who play DCS in VR usually end up doing just that! Either through vrperfkit with SteamVR or OpenXR toolkit, the 3rd party FSR implementation allows so many more of us to get performance to an acceptable level for VR.

[@GruntyGame]

@@AxiamWolfe I'll take a look into that when I get back into it.

[@Noisy_Cricket]

Yeah, they definitely need to do that. FSR preferably.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Tried fholger's FSR thing and it never worked and when I posted about it with my specs and where I put the files including the changes I made to my own preference, even he was puzzled :D I'm probably the only one who doesn't use any of those things still - I typically just use that 3dmigoto mod made by lefuneste to reduce the foggy haze a bit. Terrain visibility in VR compared to pancake is really weird without that mod since the Channel map and the P-47 appeared.

[@ttenor12]

I can't believe even Anthony highlighted how much DCS will benefit from DLFG and technologies such as DLSS and FSR, but ED are so stubborn to implement it using the excuse of "not wanting to use proprietary technology" but their optimization work without them is getting worse with every update. The last update tanked a lot of people's performance, especially in VR.

[@pikeyMcBarkin]

Anthony has really come a long way since he started presenting. I'm proud of your hard work.

[@ohioplayer-bl9em]

bot

[@chillpumkin]

@Pale Blue Geek agreed, Anthony's probably my favourite host right now

[@R0FLC4T5]

@@ohioplayer-bl9em lol what? That isn't even a bot comment. Anthony was awkward as hell in his first videos and now he's so concise and well spoken. Even the talking with his hands more feels more engaging compared to his initial stuff.

[@heyseiletsplay8161]

Anthony is best employee , we all love him

[@tomtricks6838]

needs to fucking lose weight if he actually values his life

[@tehphoebus]

I really love videos where Anthony does a dive into things. Truly great at explainers and educating.

[@AvroBellow]

This test is BS. There's a reason that they tested the high FPS rate on CS:GO because that's the kind of game where it matters most. CS:GO, PUBG, Fortnite and R6S need the high FPS. Spider-Man is a single-player, first-person NON-shooter and so the input lag would be mitigated since you don't have other HUMAN opponents trying to kill you.

[@AdrianMuslim]

@@AvroBellow It’s only useful on high FPS, but if you’re already getting high FPS in the first place then why even use frame generation?!

[@marmuhl]

@@AvroBellow Isn't this exactly what he said?

[@tietosanakirja]

Very good reporting. I like the actual preceptual testing. It's so easy to look at the tech and judge it without actually testing it.

[@KashMoneyKale]

Just keep in mind that perception based testing is still subjective! Many people won’t notice a difference unless they’re looking for one or you point it out!

[@johnsherby9130]

I absolutely love the whole test idea. When I got into pc gaming I was so excited to run a game 144hz only to find out I can really only tell in super competitive games. So far I can only tell in cod and Fortnite. Maybe if I had known that my eyes aren’t good at seeing fast I would’ve just bought a nicer 60hz monitor

[@ravagetalon]

Nice nod to DCS. I'd love to see you guys factor DCS into more of your testing going forward.

[@the88tench3]

Same, LTT could definitely produce some really good content revolving around DCS, all the way from performance benchmarks to sim rigs, and everything in between!

[@planecrazy242]

+2 would love to see some content around demands of VR (and yea use DCS as the test game)

[@zouloum9607]

I'd definitely like that too. I'd love to see CPU benchmarks for DCS. I'd love to know the difference between a 13900k to a 7800X3D and NVIDIA vs AMD for graphics.

[@nator1654]

+1!!! 👍

[@timbertv5525]

It all comes down to what you're playing and on what hardware, and if you can live with the extra input latency. This is potentially extremely bad for transparency in the market. I really hope there will also be benchmarks without this Frame Generation stuff still. I know it's twice the work, but it's necessary IMO.

[@AdrianMuslim]

It’s only useful on high FPS, but if you’re already getting high FPS in the first place then why even use frame generation?!

[@krizby87]

@@AdrianMuslim So you can enable higher visual settings, for example higher RT settings and DLAA, which push FPS down to 60-70FPS even on 4090, with Frame Generation you will get 90-120FPS which is much smoother

[@AdrianMuslim]

@@krizby87 Ok but it’s still locked to RTX 40 series which most people do not have and don’t want to get 40 series. Many are on RTX 20 & 30 series. So it’s useless for most people.

[@mrbeencountin]

@@AdrianMuslim yeah but in a few years many will be on 40 & 50 series and most games will have FG implemented.

[@pierreberthou3159]

I'm pretty sure DCS in VR already renders wider FOV and then "pan" in that render depending on the VR headset movement and desynchronized from the rendering. This is quite visible in some scenarios when screencaping the host PC. It is also visible when flying low on the side and you can see the threes stuttering as if the game was rendering at 30fps (plane movement), but if you shake your head a little bit it is very fluid like the 90Hz of the headset (head movement). This topic might be a good idea of future investigation!

[@ThunderDraws]

every VR game has reprojection if you haven’t disabled it in steamvr

[@pierreberthou3159]

@@ThunderDraws Oh okay thanks for the insight! I wasn't sure wether it was specific to DCS or coming from a higher level. I play in VR mostly DCS and that's the only VR game I screencap so I only noticed on this one 😅

[@NotOkayChamp]

15:00 That actually sounds very familiar to how VR works, at least on the Quest 2. Asynchronous Spacewarp predicts frames based on your head movement whenever framerate dips, as well as foveated rendering (although a lot better on Quest Pro because of eye tracking) to save on resources since things in your peripheral vision will seem blurry anyways.

[@AGuy-vq9qp]

That's the point genius.

[@Girvo747]

That’s where the idea came from haha

[@pikaijzer]

You’re really smart

[@NotOkayChamp]

@@Girvo747 well it makes sense haha! Thanks for not being an A-hole about it. I realized I may have stated the obvious but it was an interesting observation nonetheless

[@ryanllts]

i played re7 vr on quest 2 recently using virtual desktop version of double fps, no ghosting at all and much smooth then airlink one

[@lord_vynos]

I wish you'd adress the performances with ray-tracing because I think that's the main selling point of DLSS technology. I want to play games such as Cyberpunk 2077 or Control with the ray-tracing cranked up, and right now the 20 and 30 series just can't achieve that with proper performance. Does the 40 series change that? To me that's what will decide if I go Team Red or Team Green for my next GPU.

[@fedyx1544]

I play control with max ray tracing with 50-60 stable FPS on a laptop with 3070 (so basically 3060ti level card). It's not even comparable to Child Por ography 2077's demandingness.

[@Ryan-ct3rv]

Not a hater but I don't understand the hype with RT. Conventional lighting tech is so good at imitating RT for a fraction of the performance hit, and at least for now, enabling RT means you have to use image and frame upscaling and lower other settings to claw back that performance hit. Most of the time I prefer how the game looks with conventional rendering, sometimes using resolution upscaling on the highest quality setting as it's almost indistinguishable from native.

[@icy1007]

@@Ryan-ct3rv - conventional lighting tech with rasterization is nowhere close to imitating actual RT...

[@Ryan-ct3rv]

@@icy1007you can't deny that it still looks good though. Side by side with RT you can see the flaws but it's just not worth the performance hit for me. I'd rather have extra frames or crank other settings.

[@ctrlectrld]

@@icy1007 That depends on how competent the devs and the artists are. Sure, it takes more work. Thing is, what you call RT is nowhere close to what actual RT looks like. It's a very gimped version of that. And it comes at a huge performance cost. Cyberpunk 2077 RT Overdrive is way closer to proper RT, and you can see how that kills the performances even more.

[@Ghalion666]

I'm not sure I'd call anything that requires the 40-series at this point in time to be free.

[@SoundBubble]

well, it does come with 3 asterisks for a reason

[@Murzinio]

Especially when it appears to be artificially tied to the new cards and not a hardware limitation.

[@TerminalHeatSink]

Yea, going to go with an amd GPU this time around despite it being slower. Its hard to support companies that do this crap

[@MeGustanLosTacos1013]

@@TerminalHeatSink 😭😭😭

[@Ghalion666]

@@SoundBubble Hah, I wasn't referring to t he subject title so didn't notice that, but was rather referring to what was spoken orally in-video at the start. He didn't use rabbit-ear quotes or anything that I saw. But fine point otherwise.

[@luchermkens]

I would’ve loved it if there were any 120 > 240 FPS tests. This would be great for high refresh rate monitors whilst still having amazing visual fidelity.

[@janodelic2615]

And here "shines" the RTX4090 Diplayport 1.4 limitation. It is possible to push on some games up to 120 fps nativly, with DLSS 3 you could easily reach the 240, but the DP1.4 says no...

[@Relrion]

@@janodelic2615 DP1.4 supports 4k 240hz with DSC which is lossless compression though

[@passintogracegoldenyearnin6310]

@@janodelic2615 A single HDMI 2.1 port. I haven't seen anyone discuss whether 4000 series has knocked out some of the weirdness that RTX 3000 had with HDMI connections.

[@DavidFregoli]

@@janodelic2615 dp 1.4 can do 4k 240 retard

[@janodelic2615]

@@passintogracegoldenyearnin6310 HDMI 2.1 seems to have the same video bandwidth like DP 1.4 (?)

[@alicia9290]

Considering this requires software/engine support, I'm surprised they don't appear to have a mechanism to separate UI elements as something to not apply frame generation to. Compositing the UI elements from the last non-generated frame and having your UI move at half the framerate of the action would probably be less distracting than having it flicker. Or apply a camera-based motion vector to the non-static UI elements before compositing instead of just lumping everything into the frame together. Maybe this is too complex or something somehow, but elements of this are already done with various anti-aliasing techniques so you don't blur the UI anyway.

[@dscarmo]

As someone who works in similar research this is very complex and would probably generate more artifacts from wrong guesses of what is the UI. If the game devs marked what is UI easily, that's another story, but this in the video is intended for general games.

[@SSoul0]

UI is tied to hard code tbh and its not as easy as some sort of overlying interface. Its not as simple as it might seem on the surface. I would say UI engineering is a pretty tough thing to crack.

[@lievre460]

@@SSoul0 what are you talking about? you can easily separate UI and the actual rendering of the game. The only problem is DLSS needs to know whats UI and whats not UI which needs to be marked by the devs.

[@Postman00]

It doesn't feel like an insurmountable challenge, but there's a non-trivial amount of development work required. The easy part is training the DLSS3 neural network with UI disabled (which is likely just a game engine flag), toggling that same flag during rendering for players when DLSS3 is enabled, and then rendering UI on top. The difficult part is interpolating position data from a raster frame with the next raster frame, taking care of any temporal differences between DLFG (DLSS3)'s generated frame (which does take acceleration into consideration) while a naive interpolation may not and can cause UI position to vibrate at 1/2 of refresh rate, and then drawing UI with that data on top. It while it may not be a particularly worse implementation that the current state with the vibration, it does require a lot of developer involvement.

[@dscarmo]

@@Postman00 Nice comment, I would say everything you said is assuming the DLSS3 developers have access to engine code, but most games are closed source and the feature is intended for any game, not just the ones NVidia is partner (we saw how that failed with PhsyX and the Hair stuff). They have to found a way for this to work while training with unmarked game captures, and that's the real challenge.

[@EdgarRenje]

A feature, which should improve lower fps, but does it on higher fps instead. Good job nVidia. 👏

[@braydonlane9758]

It sucks that what happens, but you have to remember that this isn't just a frame generator like he calls it. It's a sampler, it guess's based on the frames given to it and tries to figure out the next one. The less frames given, the harder it has to guess and thus why it can be worse than at higher frames.

[@EdgarRenje]

@@braydonlane9758 Given that it's a bad solution and expectation in the first place.

[@ocudagledam]

I'm on the fence. I'd hate the flickering as seen in F1. I also mostly turn motion blur off, so I probably wouldn't mistake artefacts for it. I also don't think that I'd feel that I had to lower my settings much if I had a 30fps lock in a game like Spiderman, but, in some other low framerate scenario, I do see how I may be interested in something like this for smoothing out the hitches if it enabled me to keep nice lighting and stuff. I guess that it's nice to have an option. One of the crucial questions here for me is how well this is going to work on lower end hardware that has less muscle, in particular less AI muscle. I think the real solution for me is just, as mentioned near the end, decoupling input and display. If lower framerates didn't introduce more input latency (and it's much worse on some engines than others), then I personally don't have a big issue with low framerates, as long as they are relatively consistent and the frame times don't break the 30ms mark too much.

[@jamesrothwell8693]

Nice that DCS got a mention here, it's a niche product but really needs some computing power to run it.

[@zoeycasa6497]

Anthony is always so stoic and chill. Always a great presentation.

[@iDeker]

Wow, so glad they keep doing this only to cards that don’t even need it and leaving everything else behind. So cool

[@turbo11]

Bruh who said they don't need it? If i can get more fps, i will always ask for more fps. But yeah, if it were on the 30 series, that would be just as great

[@Perfektionist]

@@turbo11 The 4060-90 Series will be more than capable of rendering everything nativly with 4k and 144 fps minimum for the next 6 years. Im also a bitch about FPS but even i dont need more than 144FPS.

[@averytucker790]

I feel like DLSS 3.0 is Nvidia trying to push 120fps to 200fps on more games. Since it works better on games that are close to that number or struggle to stick to it natively. Which is nice. Because a lot of games out nowadays are more 80fps at max settings then 120fps or higher.

[@krizby87]

LTT and others just don't get it, you should absolutely enable higher visual quality settings along with FG, for example in Spiderman, it should be DLAA + FG vs DLSS Q vs Native TAA. DLAA + FG will give roughly the same FPS as DLSS Quality, yet offer superior image quality in lots of area, especially in RT reflections.

[@Winnetou17]

Too bad they only support DP 1.4

[@TheChemizzle]

I for one would give up pretty much anything for a smoother experience in most games. Frame stutters will take you out of an immersive experience quicker then anything else and while Input lag is annoying when it gets high, you can compensate for it in most cases (unless its really bad). Input lag does matter a lot in a competitive shooter, but if your playing a competitive shooter then you should already have graphics at the minimum and shouldn't be caring about quality or needing more frames lol.

[@anarfox]

Considering how much DLSS changed to the better from 1.0 to 2.0 it's going to be interesting to see if DLFG can do the same. Not something to buy hardware on today, but I'm definitly not writing the tech off just based on it's first showing.

[@ryanj610]

Looks like it has larger flaws than DLSS 1.0, but I'm also positive Nvidia will improve it significantly. While everyone is talking about low end games with this.... being able to take something from "almost buttery, but noticeable" ~80fps to max out someone's 144hz monitor may well be a huge deal. I'd much rather take a little artifacting and run a game at max 4k than play a shooter at 75 fps.

[@chincemagnet]

Witcher 3 has this feature now and it’s awesome! Ads a ton of frames with no reduction in quality, can cause a bit of ghosting at times with rapid movement, but this is the best feature we’ve got in years, I have a 4090 btw 4K max settings and max Ray tracing, this is way better than DLSS

[@KoopPolicie]

Who cares

[@chincemagnet]

@@KoopPolicie not poor people, obviously. DLSS 3.0 is the topic of the video, so anyone watching with an interest in that may. Don’t forget the Hunter exotic tier list!

[@AshLordCurry]

4K max with more than 60fps I would explode

[@Adures]

Great video. One thing I wish they'd do is ask the 5 testers to play 3 games, instead of Spiderman only. Maybe spiderman, racing game and shooter.

[@rockethot]

Have been using DLFG in Spiderman Remastered, Cyberpunk 2077, and Hogwarts Legacy on my 4080. I was skeptical before trying it but I am absolutely blown away. In single player games this is a game changer. It does have its flaws like the video states but I am very excited to see what nvidia can do with this with more time.

[@DETERMINOLOGY]

I've ran DLSS with with a RTX 4070 Ti @ 1440p on mw2 and no issues. Actually looks sharper then its stock settings which looks a little blurry "nv scaling setting i believe" Coming from a GTX 1080 DEF a game changer no complaints here. It's giving you free more performance for free ill take it and owners of the 4070 / 4060 Ti that's coming out will get some use out of it to without having to buy a higher end card. Can't really complain tbh

[@Umarrda]

I and I think many other people will miss this Anthony 😢

[@PenguinCrayon269]

anthony's dead

[@pravnav]

I know, so sad to see him get sucked into that stuff. I'll miss him, I won't watch any future videos he's featured in

[@battalionstallion3894]

​@@pravnavI don't think you understand how stuff like that works

[@pravnav]

@@battalionstallion3894 no bruh once he’s in this stupid shit he will never get out of it

[@battalionstallion3894]

@@pravnav, becuase its not a thing she got to pick. have you kept up with the research on it?

[@elicook19]

This honestly reminds me a lot of using optical flow in Premiere to up frame rates in videos. Hopefully this comes along and matures as well as DLSS did!

[@chris929rr7]

4090 here in Australia is AUD$3,400!

[@cerealport2726]

As an Aussie, I feel your pain. It makes no sense, as the "australia is a long way from everywhere so is more expensive" argument is really dumb these days, particularly as the hardware is likely coming from China or Taiwan. For what it's worth, European prices are equally crazy...

[@executable3]

I was looking forward to a full system upgrade all year. That price and the obscene power draws killed those plans. I'll sit on what I have for another two years.

[@Igbon5]

Yep. I got one. Fortunately for me the Strix were sold out or I might have been stupid enough to pay 3,800. It's worth more than my crappy old car.

[@TheNightKing22]

As long as the folks who are all over the planet understand how governments, and economics work, it is okay to be upset. There is usually an answer to why things are the way they are.

[@InternetStorm]

That's a better price than what you can find in New Zealand (as usual).

[@heni63]

IDEA: It would be very interesting to check the Power Consumption. Dlss 3 vs 2 vs Native, at a given Target Framerate and resolution? (all should reach 120 fps, so dlss3 renders at 60, which probably has the lowest power consumption?)

[@Djuntas]

This. I'm sure less power with dlss 3. I want to save money man.

[@benniwd2077]

Der8auer did a Video on this at the lounch of the 4090

[@Djuntas]

@@benniwd2077 yep true, doss could be good for insane EU electricity. Paid freaking 80 dollars a month now...Thats double of normal, ruins me.

[@heni63]

@@benniwd2077 Oh okay, though I had a new idea, but LTT could make their own or a shout-out to Der8auer. Good to know he did one, can you link it? I will put it in my comment.

[@rolerroleris533]

This actually feels like a great solution to the game optimization problem, like how todays games are barely optimized for low end systems and even with setting set to low the framerate sometimes barely changes. This of course will only be aplicable when 40 series is already old, and if it actually catches on, and if devs don't go even lower with their standards for optimization... So yeah, seems cool, but just like raytracing it needs to be out there first to prove itself.

[@K31TH3R]

I mean, you're not wrong. But I think the better solution is actually optimizing the game for the hardware that's out there. A lot of developers make statements like "we're designing our game for future hardware so the highest settings are expected to perform poorly on current hardware" only for everyone to find out 10 years later that the game still runs like dog shit despite the fact the hardware is 100x faster. AMD and nVidia are advertising DLSS and FSR as such key features, but to me, what they're actually saying is "our hardware cannot keep up with the software, so here's a crutch which sacrifices image quality for better performance to make your $1000 GPU work more tolerably." It's an absolute joke, and there is clearly a communication breakdown happening somewhere if upsampling technology and a sacrifice of fidelity/resolution is what we need to be doing after the decades that GPU hardware has had to mature. The entire direction of the industry seems to be favoring incompetence.

[@watermelon5159]

What is the point of DLSS when it's only available on already very powerful cards? Is it intended for unoptimized games?

[@trewajg]

Just wait for the dlss 3 equivalent done by amd or intel. They will need to catch up eventually, and previously their dlss 2 was available for any gpu, unlike nvidia dlss

[@eldibs]

"I had to see how deep that rabbit hole goes." And that's one of the many reasons why we love you, Anthony.

[@leonardo.muricy]

It's simply better to keep using the old resolution scaling dlss and forget about the 3.0. The cards that actually use it are pretty much capable of high framerate 4k anyway

[@user-pq4by2rq9y]

I will be honest, the idea of decoupling input from the framerate is way more interesting to me. It would make 1% lows so much more tolerable with, I assume, little impact to performance. Frame generation is a cool concept but at the cost of latency is a hard pass for me, it also smells like diminishing returns. Now, it would be more interesting if its goal was to deliver more consistent framerates, rather than higher, making up those frames on demand to meet a certain target, maintaining peak visual fidelity and lower latency when it is not necessary.

[@baseplate_462]

So glad we can double our frames on the one card that doesnt need double the frames!

[@haves_]

We're in the era that graphic glitches is considered as actual most featured feature than bug.

[@JamesFPV]

I love this guy. I enjoy his knowledge. He's smart as hell. I wish I had half his knowledge.... Don't ever let this guy go, Linus.

[@vrutu19]

He's not a guy and her name is Emily. Get your facts straight

[@JamesFPV]

​@@vrutu19What? Get a life.

[@vrutu19]

@@JamesFPV dude i was just joking. I didn't think you would reply after 8 months. Anthony changed his gender and now goes by Emily

[@THEK0TU]

honestly., i think they should drop DLSS and work on utilizing the gpu for other things integrated PBR(physically based rendering) library in the GPU or something along those lines, to offload the work on the graphics artists and lower texture loading if the gpu is just told this face is iron, brushed, and other then some alignment tweaks its just a wireframe and as it is loaded and rendered with that in mind, it would end up rendering faster and then the gpu can flush out more frames and not have to worry about predicting frames if it can just pump them out faster

[@harryolive1853]

What’s the Best SSD Allocation Unit Size between 500GB to 4TB SSD's? Does the average file size matter? Is the lifetime longer if the unit allocation size is smaller and does it matter anyway?

[@rogercabo5545]

Good point!

[@snyder1555]

Anthony, great to know. I nice stuff to know..

[@djayjp]

That first bar chart makes zero sense if "most subjects found it difficult to tell any difference in visual quality."

[@bobthebuilderhd6835]

This is certainly an interesting time to upload a video.

[@Rich-qs6kn]

Clearly LTT are looking out for us Europeans :)

[@Azraenore]

It's very nice to wake up to a LTT video, especially when it's hosted by Anthony :D

[@GoosewithTwoOs]

Where DCS really suffers is CPU and VR preference. While not using it myself many people I know have issues with it. I still get a pretty smooth 60-80 FPS, unless the mission is particularly complex. Then it leans on CPU, where it's not optimized for multi core. Fingers crossed for multi core.

[@JT-mt9jy]

That "Free" needs to come with 1599 asterisks

[@attti1989]

I still remember the struggle back in 2004! When I couldn't play NFS Underground 1 on my 64mb MX440. I was the happiest kid when I upgraded to an FX 5200.

[@Charlemagne89]

Holy shit a Growling Sidewinder shout-out on LTT? Wow KZbin is such a small place sometimes. GS's channel is AWESOME if you're into what-if scenarios about fighter jets!

[@zaxbit]

This was somewhat selling me on the 40-series but I’m realizing it’s not super drastic of a feature that they make it out to be (wow marketing!). Finding a cheap used 30-series looks more palatable. Thanks for the in-depth review!

[@JJFX-]

IMO, right now it's a half-baked feature that is essentially a gimmick for the marketing dept.. Eventually it may get polished to the point of being fairly indistinguishable but it'll require more support from developers to optimize (like rendering some of the UI separately). Input lag will get better but it's going to take a lot of time. I was originally only interested in the potential for cheaper GPUs/laptops but while that'll be helpful for some it's clear the negatives become far more significant at low fps. For high fps, you're paying for a top GPU because of its ability to pump out frames. Not to inject a bunch of fake frames with more artifacts that doesn't even give a latency advantage like DLSS 2.0. I would not buy a GPU because of this feature and am getting tired of all the marketing nonsense around it.

[@13thzephyr]

I will not be surprised if this "feature" will be available down the line for 30 series.

[@JJFX-]

@@13thzephyr I would be 100% surprised. Nvidia doesn't make a habit of adding new features to old GPUs. If anything, it's the opposite. They added ray tracing support on the 10 series to increase awareness because it ran terrible. People content with their maxed out 1080p performance now have a shiny new feature pointing out how their cards are outdated. DLSS 3.0 support would only make people less likely to upgrade. In its current form, it's mostly a tool to market new products. AMD will probably enable FSR 3 for most their modern cards but the only way I could see Nvidia doing it is if they wanted more beta testers and 40 series stops selling well.

[@jan_harald]

2 and 3 and however-other-kliks philip has, has really good videos in general

[@MySteamStory]

at 4:15 the dude on the phone is walking through objects like it's no biggie.

[@AaronShenghao]

We need revisit on this topic with the new 4060Ti

[@WunderWulfe]

I’m still curious about the *visual* input latency, as in the delay between when you fire or move the camera, and when it appears on screen. wouldn’t the input only show on the third or fourth frame after input rather than the next one you see after your input? I also worry about using DLSS3 as an excuse to disregard game optimization for Ultra settings

[@Goatmeal]

Correct, AI frames will not reflect your newest input, only the next real frame.

[@WunderWulfe]

i wonder how that will look with an fps camera / game since it generally doesnt use smoothing

[@teamredstudio7012]

I'm glad you're calling it DLFG, I was like "they should call it LDFG" and right after you actually started doing that.

[@AquaAK723]

Personally, I'm upset at the fact that Nvidia highlighted the issues smoothed/fake 120hz caused as a marketing tool when the Big Format Gaming Display initiative was around, and now that we're in that future, driver level implementation of those same issues are a "feature." Never thought I'd be paying $1600 + monitor cost for the privilege of experiencing screen tearing, spikes in input latency, and 'feature' induced artifacts on a G-Sync compatible display, but here we are.

[@harrylenon9594]

Ahhh yes, I'll go get me a 4090 so I can use this. I can't wait to hit displayport 1.4 limitations twice as hard

[@maxchrome_]

Weird enough, the PC port of God of War Ragnarok, has a frame-gen feature which works perfectly on my RTX 3070, no ghosting, barely any visual artifacts, just great 100-120 fps on Ultra settings. Without the frame gen, the game outputs somewhere around 50-70 fps. I think this feature will come to some older graphics cards sooner or later.

[@Section82]

I LOVE the inclusion of DCS! It's so hard to find reliable information on hardware and software solutions to get those extra frames. Please god include it in your benchmarks!

[@MrMattmre]

Great information, thanks for all the hard work!

[@lamenca88]

As a person that has sided with the motion interpolation of TV's for almost exactly a decade now, it's mindboggling to me that "frame generation" is getting so much support. I know the generated frames with a 4090 are a lot better than what a C2 oled can do today, and that the input lag is a lot better with DLSS 3.0, but it's extremely shocking to me how NOW it's cool to interpolate frames, and it was a sacrilege to play a ps4 pro game at 60 or 120 fps with a bit of input lag, even a year ago.

[@404fox9]

Frame generation software has been around for a decade. Having used it, I can confidently say that in regular usage you will inevitably notice generated frames.

[@enzog1078]

No lmao. This technology is brand new and far beyond anything else that exists. Another year of tuning and it will be literally free frames.

[@Catrik]

Is the DLSS 3.0 limited to 40-series because of hardware, or did they just software lock it down for profit? Gotta appreciate how you did the gaming test that many times with different settings!

[@aninditabasak7694]

RTX 30 series also has the hardware for DLSS 3.0. Sure it will run a bit worse but it’s possible. They definitely software locked it for profit.

[@PyPylia]

I'd love to see another video demonstrating DLFG in 6 months' time. As you stated a lot of the artifacts we're seeing are due to bugs and the bleeding-edge nature of the technology. In a couple months' time when it's been given time to mature and iron itself out, I'd love to see how much better it becomes.

[@lupo_aim]

Its still the same 😂 its not an enjoyable experience. At first, it looks good, you get tricked by the high framerate, but after a while, you obviously see all the downsides and you realise, its better to turn it off. Nvidia unfortunately tricked me into buying a 40 series card, i fell for it. If i can, id refund it and get amd.

[@noonetmc]

Even though frame-gen is only on the 4090 currently. I see it as potentially extending the useful life of the card. In the coming years, as games start to push the 4090, frame-gen with input decoupling could very well help to keep the card feeling responsive and relevant in those demanding titles.

[@laughinginthe90s]

Responsive is not the word you want. This adds a frames of inputlag at your "real" framerate.

[@noonetmc]

@@laughinginthe90s If you decouple the inputs from the frame generation, then yes, it is still responsive.

[@TomatePasFraiche]

My man @2klikphilips getting the legendary shoutout from Anthony, what a time to be alive!

[@manafount2600]

"Those artifacts are gone in the next frame, anyway." Yep, and then they come right back in the frame after that. Whatever way you look at it, fully half of the frames you're seeing are artifacted. The real work going on here is our brains adapting for the visual noise and smoothing things out for us.

[@paoloh885]

My issue with this is that Nvidia is currently advertising the 4060 on platforms like instagram like it's twice as fast as the 3060, even though half of the frames are fake. That's just straight up misleading.

[@_shxdow_1]

Yay! I love it that only 40 series have it!!! Can't wait until it reaches GT series -_-

[@PJTremblay]

There's nothing free about NVIDIA cards

[@DesertCookie]

I wonder what happened to that neural net Nvidia showed off years ago that could perfectly generate interpolated frames. I wish they'd release an API for that so NLEs could take advantage of that and offer much better and faster frame interpolation.

[@passintogracegoldenyearnin6310]

Nvidia only recently (publicly) enabled chips that have been in their quadro cards for years. Who knows how far they've gotten unless you have an enterprise level organization and sign a bunch of NDAs?

[@xenaisu]

Jeez watching you guys argue over this nonsense x) I have a 4090 and guess what, frame generation is fantastic. I can play Dying Light 2 in Ultra settings, Raytracing on, on a 5k display and get 180fps. Other games push 500's. Linus' channel gave you no information about this feature at all except for "how it feels" and you all write 488 different opinions already under the top comment no one can reply to anymore -_-.

[@Zeeves]

LTTs fanbase are not tech enthusiasts. They get more excited about savings!

[@panthereal]

I'm mostly excited to see DLSS 3.0 in VR and heavy load viewports for Unity/Unreal 5.

[@droid16beta97]

I love how you talked about 2kliksphilip's ideas in this video

[@Papinak2]

This might be very interesting for mobile graphics. For example, the next Nintendo console (assuming they'll continue partnership with Nvidia) would benefit from this.

[@LarsThe1337]

8:33 Small nitpick, the 12600k is an i5 not an i7

[@avj6217]

Yep you're absolutely right

[@Arcadif]

very cool to have DCS mentioned :)

[@HighTQCummins]

keep the anthony videos coming! the way he presents the material makes it seem so organic, regardless of if i understand the subject matter

[@tuxenus]

I never thought I would see Growling Sidewinder in LTT video :)

[@madnokof]

I found out timewarp back then when I was researching about building a DIY AR headset, It improves latency like alot ;3

[@SIW808]

12:31 Nvidia and budget do not go in the same sentence

[@whatever_12]

I'll actually don't want game developers to focus on 1 specific ai tech from a company.. This would make games run better on 1 brand and gives them a monopole to increase prices

[@dexter9313]

Frame reprojection has been used in VR for ages, to the point I'm surprised I never thought about it being applied to a regular 2D screen...

[@thanhvinhle2893]

I can't believe Plouffe is the only man in LMG who owns a display. That is the ultimate flex.

[@yesyes-om1po]

the problem with this is, if you're using this at high refresh rates, odds are you are doing it mostly for the visual clarity/smoothness and gaming advantage. But if DLSS 3.0 removes both what is the point? a slightly smoother picture that blurs objects in motion and removes detail? so its basically just motion blur with artifacts and input lag.

[@BlakieTT]

Almost 15M subs, boys. Future congrats :>

[@IBUILTTHAT]

"It's free!" *Requires the purchase of a $1000 graphics card. It's not free. It runs on the same hardware as the 30xx series but is software locked to the 40xx series.

[@hmmmmm2555]

im genuinely surprised at how flexible Anthony is. wow! the amount of bending over backwards and flexing he did to sugarcoat nvidia tech. "people wont even notice" lol

[@Argedis]

It's basically just real time frame interpolation. Good frame interpolation is very CPU intensive when rendering real time on videos. I'm sure there is a GPU performance impact that is made up by the fake frames. I bet you would get more 'real' frames with DLSS off than with it on.

[@aaronm3199]

There’s a giant weed plant growing behind you. Now there’s “a lot to take note of. “

[@igorcesarpc]

This is one of the best video I ever seen in my life, congrats!

[@risingstar1309]

Can we dive deeper into how seemingly more processing delivers more FPS. Is it because it’s guessing and building a 2d image instead of rending 3D assets into the 2d image?

[@EDDocGamer]

Great video Anthony! Well done !

[@TheStoryofmyLifee]

what they should do is creating a beafy graphic cards with a genarational leap, not implanting ai, and if they do they need to do it well, because even if we dont notice artifacts and glitches as much, we still notice them and for that we prefer to play at native settings or lower some settings to deal with that idea of "i notice something odd" every time i play a game

[@titcab8159]

I think this feature is going to be useful for the gaming laptops with RTX 40-series Gpus since they don't have the same power as the desktop 40-series

[@Nalianna]

... thanks to this new feature available on video cards, that aren't available in your country. Superb.

[@stuartrandall525]

Most importantly, where did Adam get his t-shirt from?? Love it! 😂

[@probablypablito]

The issue I have with it is that it's only available on 4000 cards. If you have enough cash to spend on those cards you aren't going to be worrying about hitting 60fps in any game.