Double Your Poison Damage with Two Buttons (Path of Exile 2)

[@KAT4N4]

Great video. One of the only poison Ranger videos not offering suboptimal or obvious advice. Really appreciated the breakdown and demonstrations as well.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Thanks for watching

[@soulstrum]

where are there obvious advice guides? asking for a friend XD

[@mallwen3955]

Thanks for the vid man, I'm trying to cook a old style poisonous concoction build and I was always falling short on single target damage, it really helped me out to clear Cruel :)

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Im chef'in up something real nice imgur.com/a/9muWhIK

[@mallwen3955]

@@KassSaiYaJiN aintnoway

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Give me like a week or two and I'll get a guide together.

[@mallwen3955]

@@KassSaiYaJiN interested in how you solve the mana use/flask gen ngl

[@lylechaussette9559]

@@KassSaiYaJiN Can't wait for it ! hope its good !

[@kieranmurphy3730]

I'm using both despair and withering touch on my pathfinder but applying them in a different way, i have despair paired with blasphemy and withering touch with the dark effigy totem. The spirit cost is a hurdle and you need to play closer to enemies so its higher risk but i find predicting some enemies movement for a manual cast troublesome at times and it helps with mana management. The dark effigy with withering touch i find very helpful as it distracts mobs quite often wilst applying wither and it stacks wither fast on bosses too. Ive moved away from toxic growth as its 100% the skill that has caused most my deaths because of the animation and i know thats a positioning skill issue for myself but i can accept that 😂, ill still use it for bosses as the stun buildup with it is more than you would think.

[@MajesticLuigi]

I’m doing dark effigy too, I tried blasphemy though and I thought the range was way too small to be useful. but maybe it’d be good to just run it in conjunction with the dark effigy

[@kieranmurphy3730]

@MajesticLuigi I'm using magnified effect with blasphemy visually the curse doesn't look larger but it definitely feels like the effect has a wider radius so maybe that would help you, I also want to use the gem that makes the curse stronger (can't remember the name) but it also increases the spirit cost so I can't right now as I'm also using wind dancer. Blasphemy does make the play style a bit more risky but I feel the mobs jump ontop of you so much anyway that it just feels smoother for me than manual cast.

[@mirrorsara42]

Effigy can also run Font of Rage, which works for poison builds as long as you're applying it with an attack skill and not something like Hexblast, which is another 30% more damage for the build.

[@ItZMaxo]

Can we get a link to your skill tree / build please ?

[@Gemini_Jack]

This is great! Basically confirming that I'm doing the right things with the Chaos Monk I just started 😂 thank you!

[@Popopidopop]

Tbh just using Dark effigy withering touch and maybe blind and mobility is much smoother. The cast time on toxic growth and how you move feels terrible while dark effigy will bait boss AoEs or stay up way longer while being cast on the move much more easily.

[@heeeheeehee]

Thanks Just started playing poison, And This video helped me out alot.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Hope you enjoy. If you have any questions let me know!

[@stan.stawski]

Thanks, this is very similar to what I've been experimenting with - glad someone figured it out properly.

[@ott9990]

on toxic growth u can use poson arrow with explosion (area effect support) it will trigger the pustules when u hit enemy around pustules or poison infused rain of arrows which will make them explode as well

[@gavarron-gaming]

I add poison to toxic growth and armor break (because I also use physical attacks) and works great. poison cloud -toxic growth - poison burst arrow =explodes the pods immediately and magnifies dmg if you also have the "+1 poison active" mod

[@lindleyhayes9736]

Dude, PLEASE post your build gas arrow Pathfinder build

[@Kjarrigan1]

Nice guide, I have added the Skills ‚Eye of Winter‘ to attach ‚Withering Touch‘ with the ‚Unleash‘ support it is max Stack almost on every cast, in addition I also added ‚Contagion‘ to keep all Debuffs up in bigger Packs and Poison is a Debuff so that works pretty good I‘m going to add ‚Zone of Control‘ from the Skilltree as well, then it will spread all Debuffs in roughly 4m, what is much larger then Herald of Plague or Contagious Contamination

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Zone of control is for curses only, so I don't think it will change anything for proliferation. At this point eye of winter is just the best option of wither application. Then it also gives you crit weakness for free, eye of winter is probably the best for applying any on hit effect in general.

[@Kjarrigan1]

@ Yea, I’ve gone with Sproil now, but that does not really bring the Range online for Contagion - will try some other nodes as well

[@Felnier]

Been doing something similar on gas arrow+toxic growth spam chalupa monk with all the insane chaos nodes, pretty fun. Wither from totem quality is really good since poison triggers its attacks and contagion also spreads poison and despair curse if you put dot support gem on curse.

[@MelloGrunty]

on monk do you use palm of chayula to apply despair or are you self-casting it?

[@Felnier]

@MelloGrunty I just cast despair by itself because that's the only way to put the support gem that gives it a dot effect on it so that contagion will spread it.

[@nicolef9018]

I'm a poison chalupa monk too, so fun clearing maps with a bow lol. I have that unique that splits projectiles to two targets so I'm using the first poison arrow skill you get with added projectiles support. Clearing mobs before I even see them lol

[@murmuratingmemories]

I'm withering with Dark Effigy - Withering Touch - Arcane Tempo

[@OffYourTrees]

You can put martial tempo on toxic growth to increase the cast speed by 25%. Can also get attack speed on bow, weapon and gloves so the animation isnt a problem.

[@java_worm]

Animation cap is 0,7 sec

[@gipsydanger5020]

I wish we were able to mod the cast/attack speed of TG, but unfortunately it's hard set

[@Whathappened875]

@@gipsydanger5020? Does attack speed not help toxic growth? I put martial tempo in it last week and it feels faster

[@ScolPL]

@@Whathappened875 It helps but only partialy. Toxic growth attack time is 'bow attack time' + 0.7s. Attack speed only applies to 'bow attack time', but not to extra 0.7s.

[@urban-anomaly]

To think i almost tried this and was like "naaaah thats not gonna work" lol. Glad to see an amazing poison ranger build 👌

[@choconnects]

definitely a must have for single target bosses

[@lylechaussette9559]

WOW thanks for all poison research

[@JustPeterSteel]

Can't count the amount of times I've died on bosses using Toxic Growth, and how many times I've ran OOM using Rain of Arrows on packs inefficiently. Definitely putting wither in the build. Cheers.

[@RaxDK]

Nice vid, I'm a new player running ssf poison pathfinder so this should help me a ton

[@nyutrig]

poison ailments dont scale off of increased chaos damage anymore (unless you are using the cultist bow, which are trash), but instead scale off of the initial hit, which is mostly physical. im not sure why he has all of those increased chaos damage nodes on his tree.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

I'm playing poisonous concoction. This was just using gas arrow to show the impact of despair and wither. This is NOT a build guide the tree in the video is meaningless.

[@nyutrig]

@@KassSaiYaJiN ah, gotcha. it might be good to mention how increased chaos doesnt scale poison.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

I have a completely separate video on this already.

[@nyutrig]

@@KassSaiYaJiN i see, my mistake.

[@toddwatkins5011]

Not saying it is right but in game it says poison scales from a combination of physical and chaos.

[@Kino100_x]

Really nice video. What supports are you running on gas arrow?

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Scatter shot, heft, deadly poisons, comorbidity, last support can be anything chaos mastery or inspiration if mana cost gets too high with levels.

[@eIvin77]

So Poison damage is Chaos damage type?

[@itchymadness3960]

Yeah use a cultist bow(chaos damage) and your dps on poison skills go up alot.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Poisons do chaos damage but a cultist bow isn't scaling poison damage more than a pure physical bow. At the higher end a physical bow will out perform a cultist bow.

[@Whathappened875]

I've been using withering without chaos infusion. Fixing it and adding despair is about to skyrocket my ranger

[@akeem2147]

You can use dark effigy for the stacks of wither it’s a totem

[@Elliott13]

I didn't see a purpose to the withering support gem as it nerfs the supporting skills damage by 50%. I feel like its pointless during campaign. But nice to see some good potential use for high level.

[@lemonhead2205]

the withering touch doesn't stay at max stacks for very long so I use dark effigy to maintain the stacks, also I can use chaos infusion somewhere else

[@destroyermaker]

Toxic Growth seems better as a situational escape tool and rain of arrows serving better as a wither applicator (but I haven't tested this out yet)

[@isaan01]

I hope your channel grows man because a lot of these mainstream channels have terrible explanations. It feels like they're racing to push out content. Just spent an hour patching together someone's build because of his crappy explanation, crappy editing using older build footage with newer build footage without mentioning it, and not updating his MAXROLL planner to put that mess of a video together. It's crazy how that person has over 400k followers. Anyway keep it up and I hope you place your build in the description. Maxroll is really good for that.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

I appreciate the kind words, I do this channel for fun so pumping out videos just to get views is meaningless to me. I just make videos when I think its important or interesting. I will have a written guide, it wont be as detailed as my other PoBs, but it'll still be more than enough hopefully. Thanks for watching.

[@andyk6520]

For real I only found out about this channel a couple days ago. This guy is very knowledgeable and his stream is also super chill. I wish him all the best. GKone

[@discofabio5009]

@@KassSaiYaJiN when my boi? we out here thirstin'

[@danthecanadian]

Thank you for the video! Great explanation. The only thing I wanted to find out was whether you can apply multiple stacking poisons, which I'm still confused about.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Base line poison is one stack but you can get more stacks from the tree and on items/supports max for pathfinder is 10.

[@Whathappened875]

Is this bugged for you? I'm not getting Wither debuff from Toxic growth i just noticed. It's definitely bugged on TG

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Yeah the explosions are bugged or they got changed to not instantly explode when poisoned. Idk I tried it while leveling and it wasn't working either. Unfortunately you'll just have to wait until you have chaos damage somewhere on the build or enough int for dark effigy.

[@kchrisbreezy]

This is lit, ima add this to my arsenal. S/o to all the pathfinders

[@Shvnobu]

Poison conc just got huge buff. Might try it out after my 3rd asc

[@avopeac6300]

Any benefit stacking withering presence and despair for faster wither stacks?

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

It would be withering presence with some other form of wither. Despair doesn't affect wither. Currently withering presence isn't good imo. It only scales to 3 stacks max, for most builds you only need wither for rares and bosses so having withering touch linked to eye of winter or rain of arrows is just better and more consistent while not having to lose an aura.

[@RedOfFlames]

Honestly it seems like the reason people use rain of arrows is there’s no jumping animation lock

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Yep. If there was any other skill that hit multiple times in one press ppl would use that. I think ruetoo is using eye of winter, some people are using dark effigy. But yeah toxic growth just isn't worth the animation.

[@luisalonso9238]

holy shit what an amazing video actual helpfull

[@kasperholm8248]

great build, thank you!

[@TheJereme12345]

How to get despair it doesn’t appear in any skill area, do you need the int for it to appear?

[@kr5335]

Any advice on bleed damage increase?

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Bleed is pretty bad rn since axes arent out yet. Im sure concoction is probably fine but its probably the worst out of all the concoctions.

[@Big_Quann]

What order do you press skills for max damage

[@ACentaur]

Do you have chaos damage on your bow or some other source for this? I'm finding withering touch won't proc off toxic growth natively and I can only assume it's because you need chaos damage on the initial shot to trigger it

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

I path to pure chaos on the tree for chaos damage as extra.

[@bakdorz]

Hi Kass, I was wondering if you know whether Armor break increases the poison dot damage. Thanks!

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

It does not, ailments are calculated pre mitigation

[@Hollowdub]

Ik that despair gets most of its value from bossing but Hex Bloom is a nice support too

[@jeffersonsosa1660]

You can use despair with bow? I didn't know that.

[@aaronschmitz241]

Some spells don’t require a specific weapon. So a good rule of thumb is to look at the tags for the skill to see if there is weapon requirements

[@ithildiess9048]

Just use cursed ground support and the curse will be instant cast? Maybe as a 4th socket. I use it with flammability.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

It is instant but if the boss moves at all you lose it.

[@user-qh1zu4gg8i]

I'm trying out a poison ranger but I'm stuck in the middle of act 2 with little to no damage (multi-minute boss fights, 5-10 arrows to kill white mobs) 🤦

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Upgrade your bow. Flat damage is very important.

[@RaphealDaCow]

i just started act 3 and couldnt get enough int to get despair. if i change my attribute nodes to be from dex to int, i wont be able to wear my gear. guess i'll have to level more?

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Yep I wouldn't worry about despair until closer to maps

[@SamNewman1984]

ive been stacking physical damage and avoiding bows with elemental damage because i didnt think it helped my poision damage. but now im reading that poison damage is based on initial hit damage. does that mean elemental damage is factored in?

[@user-zt5bx6ud2q]

Initial hit but only takes 20% of phys/chaos damage. So you should avoid elemental damage on bows and other equipment

[@SamNewman1984]

@@user-zt5bx6ud2q thanks

[@theworldsinger]

Main reason to not put wither on toxic growth: its the highest single-target dps poison skill in the game. Its better with damage supports imo.

[@gipsydanger5020]

I've kind of noticed this too, but TG is very difficult to spam and pray you don't get insta-gibbed while locked in the cast animation or landing into a pool of death etc...I'm still unclear if after we poison the pods if the explosion counts as 100% poison dmg or if it's all physical

[@xxthatguy818xx9]

I'm annoyed that we can lock in place when we use that skill. I don't like doing all that flipping around stuff lmfao just shoot the arrows n don't flip me into a aoe 😂

[@aaronschmitz241]

@@xxthatguy818xx9i agree, as cool as it looks. It’s not feasible for end game content (T11+). Even If they at least sped up the animation, then stack tempo support on it. Then maybe

[@azizgushafiansyah4978]

if i play pure phys poison should i take that chaos passive tree? currently i only take poison and flat phys damage on my passive poibt

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

If you're using pure physical then you don't need the chaos nodes. +1 gem levels is pretty strong so it might still be worth it. In order to apply wither you need chaos damage. So if you dont take the chaos as extra node (pure chaos) you'll have to use dark effigy to apply wither.

[@Kebapable]

How did you manage to get 71 intel ? item/nodes?

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

I had a few int nodes and got int on a ring iirc

[@Kebapable]

@@KassSaiYaJiN Great! thanks. what do you put as for the jewels on the tree ?

[@ChuchoTheCatLord]

How are you stacking so much poison? Im running merc and cant get that number higher than 2 im new to poe cause i did play the first one but only for a few hrs, great vid thanks!

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Pathfinder gets double poisons, there's two sources of +1 poison stack on the tree and I'm using snakebites gloves that give +1. I'm also using comorbidity for a total of 10 stacks.

[@ChuchoTheCatLord]

@KassSaiYaJiN I'm also using comorbidity and running legionaire but i don't think using both is giving me that extra stack I'm almost at the first +1 on the tree I'll keep my eyes open for those gloves thanks!

[@ithildiess9048]

Oh the Ring 37% of damage as extra chaos damage is really good for this huh. Nice.

[@Critimuscu]

0.1.0e BIG UP FOR PCONC

[@B-Ri503]

Finally I find a different KZbin that gives legit info instead of giving us video of some end game shit and be like here is the build. I really thank you so much. 🎉 Happy new year!

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Thanks for watching, Happy new year to you as well!

[@shida420]

Wait wither works with attacks? It used to work for me but day 2 it stopped working, just tested it and it doesent work for me, should I re-download the game or how do I fix this?

[@shida420]

Nvm it's the chaos damage

[@erwanito9407]

hi ! hope u'll see my message, i have a gaz arrow pathfinder and i'm wondering, does the nodes from the tree that boost chaos dmg work on the gaz? cuz when i took the nodes it doesnt say on the skill stats that it do increase the dmg so y i'm wondering i rly hope someone find this message and will tell me

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

They only will increase your damage if you have flat chaos damage. If your bow is only physical then increased chaos damage does nothing.

[@SnoodleDS]

Why not withering presence gem? Getting 30 spirit seems way easier then branching from the tree so hard. And we need int anyway for despair. And since with so much int we even can go with ghost dance for shield gating.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

As far as I know withering presence doesnt scale to max wither stacks, Ghost dance is decent but you still need some investment into es. If you are using two other auras it makes wind dancer harder to fit and alchemists boon as well.

[@SnoodleDS]

Alchemist IMO not even worth bothering with. And I guess best way for wither away node is to anoint it.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

@@SnoodleDS I guess it depends on your build, some builds need alchemist to function. So you cant sacrifice an aura for withering presence. I'm not playing gas arrow I just use it when testing because its an easy option.

[@notchbeard9007]

I think the Despair slows my build down too much except boss fights but I passive Wither so I run that.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

I only use it on bosses and some rares

[@TheSamFalcone]

Ok so is poison damage always chaos? I thought it was physical or chaos, depending on the ability that was applying it?

[@marlonruvalcaba386]

Physical and chaos contribute to the magnitude of the poison. Poison does chaos damage.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Marlon is correct, poisons will always be chaos damage. No matter what the initial hit is even if it is pure phys when poison gets calculated it starts as a base of chaos damage then the amount of damage it does is based on the 20% of the damage from the hit (physical damage and chaos damage).

[@TheSamFalcone]

@@marlonruvalcaba386 thank you!

[@TheSamFalcone]

@@KassSaiYaJiN ok so all passive nodes that increase chaos damage directly reflect on all poison damage even though the tooltip for lets say, gas arrow, doesn’t show a dps increase ?

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Ailments are calculated after the hit so increased chaos damage you do doesnt effect the poison afaik.

[@JohnB-ws4ge]

do you have a poison gas build you recommend?

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

For the time being Im still testing different options the main issue currently is survivability. Gas arrow is good but you have to like the playstyle (its more like cold dot then traditional poisons). However, if you are looking for a guide specifically to play a pathfinder build personally I'd suggest playing something else entirely. While you may have success if you dont have a deeper understanding outside of just following a guide then you will run into issues. If you dont have a ton of time to invest into a character Id personally play something else like gas arrow deadeye/lightning deadeye or frost monk. Not trying to push people away from pathfinder, but i think its important to be honest the class still needs some work.

[@takeover6233]

@@KassSaiYaJiN Try the option with an energy shield and Ghost Shroud this improves survival very well.

[@ewee-st1de]

Chaos witch is so bad and now youre stealing our skills too, how evil 😭

[@kanadaj3275]

Note: +% chaos damage does *not* affect poison damage, only the chaos part of your original hit damage,. so a lot of those passive points are kind of wasted - this is in order to prevent double scaling from chaos damage (otherwise Cultist bows would scale from bonus chaos damage twice).

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

This isn't true. Ask yourself what wither is. Cultist bows don't "scale twice" they only have flat chaos and no increased chaos damage and lose a ton of physical damage. There's a reason why people don't use cultist bows, even aside from extra proj implicit. The reason is it's just not enough damage and there is no way to scale flat chaos damage on the bow locally. Using a phys base is just better since you get more flat damage. IDK where people got this idea, the tool tip doesn't show you poison damage so if you look at it you won't see a dps increase on the tree. But if you actually play the game it's clear that increased chaos damage increases poison damage. This test is using 11% damage as extra chaos that's it. If increased chaos damage doesnt do anything to poisons and only the hit, then 70% increased chaos damage from wither wouldn't be anywhere near 20% more damage, when only around 10% of my damage is chaos damage.

[@Gonzo_Neo]

Is true. You can see the specific poison damage in the skill details from gas arrow Poison scale 20% damacd from chaos and physical from your Hit damage. If you use cultist bow, chaos node work. If you use physical bow they don't work. Poison Is still chaos damage so either wither and dispair will work . But % chaos damage only will work with chaos bows.

[@kanadaj3275]

@@KassSaiYaJiN Wither reduces chaos resistance. Poison *deals* chaos damage, but only poison and ailment magnitude affects it. The tooltip *does* show your poison damage if you know where to look ("Poison damage from main weapon"), and it does in fact change with poison magnitude and ailment magnitude as you assign it. Your 11% extra chaos damage does scale with that +% chaos damage, but you get a % of a % so not a whole lot.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

I understand what he is saying now. The mob is taking increased chaos damage from wither vs you doing increased chaos damage happens when the hit is calculated not the ailment. I forgot the order of operations, this is why we need PoB.

[@KassSaiYaJiN]

Despair reduces chaos resistance, Wither increases the chaos damage a target takes. I'm only correcting you because its important to not have misinfo next to good information. The end all be all is this, increased chaos damage on the tree is applied only to the hit, aliments are after the hit. So anything that is applying to the hit does not increase the poison damage after the hit also. Thanks for bringing this up I was forgetting the order of operations for ailments.

[@samgreen8582]

Non related but anyone running alchemists boon for pconc, it's a waste. And you don't need corpsewade for clear. Plague bearer will kill everything in vicinity that pconc doesn't.

[@synaruscz5352]

No extra effort? Using Despair then toxic growth then gas arrow Is TON of work. U might aswell not even build attackspeed since u dont need it if we gonna utilize these long animation spells.

[@brandonporteriamyasuke1507]

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