Doug and Pat compare the original to the new Marshall 18 watt combo.

[@DFraserHomes]

And this comment is part of the reason we do this, to get the conversation going. In the future we're going to bring the original Marshall back, swap out some stuff with the newer one and see what happens. Now this is a good time. D&P

[@Taygoo15]

when

[@ysius]

Yes when?

[@reneotten2288]

I'll take the old one. The amp, not the guy.

[@MaciekMalczyszyn]

LOL :-) Yep, the old one is sweet! The amp, not the guy. :-)

[@rickflippin1]

Hahahaha dang it made me spit out my drink haha best comment.

[@alaricmusic]

That was funny😂. The vintage Marshall sounds a lot better. Testing the new one through the cab and speaker of the old one might narrow the tone gap..a little.

[@maxpeck4154]

I disagree. Give me the new one all day long. Snappier. Brighter. Totally subjective.

[@Dagger_323]

@@maxpeck4154 Maybe subjective when listening back through KZbin, but if you ever get the chance to actually play them you'll understand why vintage Celestion speakers are leagues above the modern Chinese productions.

[@curiousuranus810]

On the strength of a different Doug and Pat vid, I bought the 1974X and it's epic! some say everyone should have a Tele, some say everyone should have a Les Paul.... but everyone should have a 1974X and a subscription to Doug and Pat.

[@TheAndyroid]

I'd like to hear the new amp through the old speaker. I bet you couldn't tell the amps apart in a blind listening test! Love the demos, keep em coming!

[@darwinsaye]

Thank you for not close miking the speaker. Good to hear how an amp sounds in a room rather than just hearing how it would sound on a recording.

[@BuddyColly]

Hi Doug, Hi Pat. I am from the UK and a massive fan of your channel. I just bought the 1974X due to your video - I love it - it’s everything I needed ! Thanks again

[@KelsterVonShredster]

Hands down, the BEST demo of this amp !!!!! I'm about to get this amp in a week (trade) and I was a bit underwhelmed from the videos I had seen so far...this video totally captured the nuances and sweetness of the tone, killer playing and axe sure helps!!!! Love your videos guys, great job, keep 'em coming!

[@MisterTee]

The older one is warmer sounding but I think they both sound great. I made a clone of the 1974 and stayed as true as humanly possible, it's great. The thing that really brought mine to life was a 1967 Greenback.

[@sirvidia]

how do you know which of the guys is older?

[@underhated3317]

​@@sirvidiathe beard

[@glorideefaithperez2858]

The old one has a magic spongy, smooth, singing response. The reissue sounds harder and "modern" gainy.

[@david25876]

What struck me is how Pat can make any rig sound really good. I think this is true because he adjusts his playing to get a good sound or the sound he wants from different guitars and amps. Kinda like if Arnold Palmer was using my elcheapo clubs. He would kill it after the first few shots. Great vid. Marshall seems to have nailed it. Both guitars were amazing really. Oscar is in league of its own. Wow!!

[@wakjob961]

My MojoTone 5e3 build sounded like that newer Marshall. Brighter, tighter, more brash when pushed into breakup. Then I loaded it with some nice vintage glass, and what a difference.

[@mattschriever7028]

I was prettymuch gonna say the same thing.

[@AnalogOpher]

What's to compare? The original is in a league of it's own.

[@rodmclean2066]

Great stuff as always guys. That GT is killer. The Original has that warmth and woody tone to it. Re-issue sounds very good. Would be very interesting to hear what the re-issue would sound like with an original 003 Pulsonic coned greenback in it. Possibly even closer to the original !

[@HomeRecordingMadeEasy]

The old one has a warmer sound for sure. The newer one is more snappy and bright but there is a massive tone difference, even over KZbin which I would guess is even more obvious in the room.

[@frantisca]

I guess one could mellow the reissue down by plugging some NOS tubes and a worn-in/vintage speaker

[@ChoppaWhoppa1]

Love the tone from the original one. BTW, these amps are based on the Watkins Dominator, not the Fender Bassman.

[@ykdickybill]

Dominator Mk2 😉

[@ZachBroyles]

Man that vintage one smokes the new! Love it

[@flip3213]

old one had that dark girthy mind blowing voice

[@JohnnyBGood-ii8kt]

Doug and Pat thank you so much for the work you guys do, and Pat you are amazing player wish you played out more in Portland, Ye old Geezers

[@thelolguy007]

The old one - such a nice warm tone 👏👏👏

[@reverendhellfire]

The speaker in the original combo is sounding a little tired. Not much punch left to it. I'm assuming the paper cone is fatigued. They'd probably sound near identical with the same speaker, only real difference after that is a better transformer in the new one. It pains me to say it, but my preference is the reissue.

[@rolandjgutierrez5839]

You are right that's what i was hearing I had picked the reissue thanks for pointing that out..6 years 2020..Roland

[@TheBoomtown4]

Me too

[@jimmyparris9892]

The amps are both nice. The old one sounds warmer. Give the new one 10 years. This guys playing is sweet.

[@shearn666]

I agree, nice playing.

[@Turboy65]

The newer one is obviously a bit brighter but tweak the treble control and you can probably balance their tones very closely. They're both wonderful sounding amps and I'd be happy to have either of them. I think I'd like it better with the G12M25 greenback instead of the G12M20, though.

[@gregs8685]

The old one is incredible sounding, it blows the reissue away.

[@briangeorge5783]

Totally agree but I bet that Speaker has a lot to do with it. Swap the speakers and I bet the reissue is golden!

[@colinmcnab6145]

​@briangeorge5783 Put a set of NOS Mullards in the reissue and that will make it sound like the old one plus an Alnico speaker. I know I've done that to mine.

[@gtrmike]

Well Marshall lied when they said both amps are identical because they are not. If you open up the new one and you know anything about amp circuitry then you will see that the amp has no choke. It uses a resistor in place of the choke. What this means is that in comparison the vintage 1974 is gonna breath much more and sound more lively, natural and have more personality. Once again Marshall has managed to find a way to save a buck and for the cost of the reissues that is pretty shitty. Good news is that you can get a choke from Mercury Magnetics. I went the extra mile and replaced all of the transformers and choke with clones of the originals and the difference is huge. Most will be happy with the reissue as is and never know if they have never heard a real vintage one in person. Anyways just a Lil piece of knowledge.. Rock brothers..

[@shaktifan1977]

+gtrmike There is no choke in the 18w circuit, neither in the originals or the reissues. I really don't understand what you're talking about here. There may be tiny circuit differences between the original and the reissue (the 18w weren't particularly consistent as far as parts and parts values anyway), but the difference has nothing to do with a choke or no choke.

[@gtrmike]

+shaktifan1977 You may be right. I may be talking about Lead and Bass but I installed a choke in mine in place of the resistor between the filters. Amp sounds way better. Biggest deal with the original vs the reissue I gonna be the transformers and mustard caps.

[@gtrmike]

+shaktifan1977 There has been some amps that Marshall has used resistors in place of chokes.

[@ryan.1357]

+gtrmike Hah, well I don't know anything about the electronics of an amplifier (well, very little) but that makes a lot of sense. It completely sounds like the older one is more natural sounding.

[@voxpathfinder15r]

+gtrmike Chokes aren't always a good thing, with a choke you will have less sag, and many people think sag is an important component of that old tube sound.

[@sangandongo]

I'm a fan of the older one's darker tone. It's more even keeled. The lack of high definition may also have something to do with the tubes or component values (older caps/resistors will have variance.) Also, the magnet/coil in the old greenback has had nearly 50 years of life...

[@timothyjay2012]

Sounds Incredible!!! Love that Marshall tone!!!

[@heyjoe1963]

Thank you for awesome Videos. My question to you both is: If you had to pick a new point to point hand wired built in the last 10 years, small watt amps/head or combo about 10 to 20 watt amp today what would be your Top 3 amps you really like? Rock on!!!!

[@2ndlars]

Well.. Did you compare them with same kind/brand of tubes? With similar hours of use? Otherwise the sound difference could also be curtesy of different tubes. Right?

[@dantramble5766]

Name the sunburst Cornelius or Eugene. Cool names As for amps theres no comparison. One has a beautiful pre rola and mullards/iskras and one is a reissue. The new one is more trebly however the old one is more bassy and grainy. Both nice machines. Awesome video! Thanks Dan

[@granvillefriel2635]

Dude you are one fine guitar player. the old one sounds brighter too my ears both sound awesome

[@donmartin1305]

speakers loosen up and get warmer sounding overtime. Much of that is due to the epoxy they use to attach the paper cone to the metal frame. I think the new marshall will sound better after 100 hours. With that being said, I don't think todays magnets are the same as vintage.

[@BadChizzle]

Now, boys... I know I'm chiming in real late, here... But I think they both sound great! I want to build one now. Thanks for the sweet video!

[@windmillcancersurvivor2568]

I'll have both in stereo please. Getting some great thumpy fat tone. Which brands of preamp tubes-12ax7/ecc83 do you have good luck with as I have a couple boxes in need? Are the 80's production Bejing 6n4 12ax7 any good or maybe suggest NOS that represents value. Figured a couple tone hounds would have a good line on these. THNX Naturally I subscribed.

[@marccarter1350]

There great! Great depth of sound. I enjoyed the new one more. It had that little bit more space on the top end. I tested one at my local guitar shop in the UK. Was fantastic. It's just the price. At close to 1500 UK pounds, I was out priced. I had 1k. I walked away with the Vox AC15hw1X instead. I got a return for 700! Used the savings to replace the stock tubes, plus a 15w Blue fitted. I will still get the Marshall next year. Great video guys.

[@MillieD1809]

What a joy it is to hear someone demoin gear who know what they are doin know how to get a sound and can play a bit

[@neteraser]

Wow! The first time I hear the original. Big difference.

[@adamgalambos8137]

Great video, thank you Personally i like the Reissue better, both are great, but the bright is so nice Original's mid range is fantastic as well... But i need that new one Thank you

[@tweedguitar9103]

Hey Doug and Pat, Are the parts in the reissue good quality like the original ? Can you honestly hear a lot of difference between the two ? ( for me, It's hard to hear the finer nuances of sound and "tone" over youtube ) I think I'd fail a blindfold test.. cheers guys thanks for doing a great job.

[@TonyWhelanSLIDES]

Hands down the old one. I have a new one (SOBBing.)

[@yaniv-nos-tubes]

swap the tubes to nos. you still have hope!

[@yaniv-nos-tubes]

i also recommend the extension cab and an attenuator

[@jimraimondi410]

The speaker voicing is quite different. I like both but the vintage one is easier on the ears.

[@cheycasters]

True dat!!

[@robertthompson6302]

They both sound great. I have owned 3 of these; best one was lost in a fire. They are all a bit different, young and old. Pretty cool. I use an extension speaker w mine. For 18 watts it kind of blows my mind how huge these get.

[@johnbnimble1911]

New one is more 3D and less focused, however not as warm. The original is warmer, has a bigger bottom end and much sweeter highs. If the construction is the same I always lean towards buying new, usually to me "vintage" means it will break sooner, that is if the construction is the same. In this case it is obvious that they are not built the same. Different wiring or at least materials have been used. The original kicks ass in the case and it is more than just the speaker.

[@DaltonMullins]

My ear likes the newer of the two marshalls. It's a bit brighter.

[@raybede]

I'm on my way for the Old one please. Just more of "that" tone. Great demo guys thank you..

[@n2space4u]

"oh man!" Doug @ 6:46 was the definitive moment in the shoot out, although vintage is not always better, there is something about old amps that is seemingly impossible or at least very difficult to reproduce

[@jtmetalking1]

Really great to here such great tone and relatively little distortion. You really do play consistently well and with great feeling. Really makes a change from the usual overdriven stuff.......keep it clean :)

[@theedguiTOR]

Name the sunburst Patty! Watching from Costa Rica, Central America folks, enjoying the videos a lot, thanks!

[@rjbron3038]

I like the old one

[@tonebender69]

For the new kids on the block that may have good ears. This is how you test for great tone! The young kids today may shell out cash on expensive new equipment. And they may feel that they have something that sounds great. But until you compare to vintage guitars and amps you won't ever know! The new marshall needs some serious breaking in. The vintage marshall sounds perfect. Warm and beautiful. And the les paul still cuts through with nice bite on the treble pickup.

[@lazomachavez-walton1549]

worthwhile demo for me. Oscar was fine. Good mic helped as well. Thank you for this demo.

[@bobwillett6777]

hello Doug and Pat this is Bobby from Florida I'm old school love all the old gear I've been playing close to 40 years I'm just wondering what you think of mr. Buckethead and his LP

[@sabotage6301]

The original has THAT sound.............the classic era. Also Pat is being put to work on this one !!! :D Idea.....The PAT PAFS shirt !!!

[@lavafangs]

They both sound pretty sweet, granted the vintage sounds a bit sweeter. I have a reissue, it sounds great and has been a great work horse amp. I just run it with a treble booster and a wah. Awesome. Marshall did a great job with these, there are so many variables that to get it that close is admirable.

[@yaniv-nos-tubes]

if you like the old amp's tone swap the tubes to nos mullards especially i63 in the v1 position.also after adding the extension cab i don't understand how people use the amp without it.

[@JKryanX]

i honestly think in a band setting the new one will sound better. it cuts way more than the old one. but stand alone the old one sounds better. but i have learned over the years that when you think you have your amp dialed in just right at your house then you take it to a jam or a gig, you have to boost the mid or highs just a little bit. the new 18w has more mids to my ears. idk, i might like it better, call me crazy.

[@rempelrt]

crazy

[@Marshall50w]

Spot on and in any case no doubt you could EQ either for one to sound more like the other

[@jcroopjr]

I thought the old one sounded smoother probably because the speaker was much more broken in. But the new one was so close that I would buy that and save the money.

[@mikeparker5008]

Oh, you gig your 18W? I can't....it doesn't make it over the drums. I could mic it...then the 'cut thru' argument disappears. I like mine mostly for recording. I'd make a 36W if I wanted to gig (my 18 is DIY).

[@bobbybowers356]

Call the burst "Sonny", and the gold top "Goldie"

[@outerloop]

With the goldtop I don't think the difference was as wide but with the modern guitar it's like night and day. I myself dig the old one. Both sound excellent! I take either one :)

[@rolandjgutierrez5839]

I know this is six years late but I like the reissue it a little on the the side I like to hear more bright and I can hear all your notes clearly I guess I would say.....Roland J Gutierrez from Magdalena New Mexico USA.

[@incubism]

Great stuff. Both amps sound excellant but the true winner is the guitar!

[@vanlurton6068]

That guitar is POSSESSED and it would make a clock radio sound good....that being said the new amp doesn't sound bad but I'd have concerns about how trebley it sounds especially for $2500+ tax. It was pretty noticeable to me over the video so I assume it's even more so in person. I knew the old one would sound great..and it's sonic joy. Thanks again for your videos!!

[@BigEdWo]

hey. nice playing and sound. here is what i think. the old one sounded better with the les paul the new one with the es335. anyway - each combination was great.

[@legebakken1]

THATS the way i like to play and listen to gear .thanks !

[@luckycharm4623]

Damn - those both sound really great. New one - tighter - brighter. The old one more Mellow - richer - and I think the Vibrato was better too.

[@2ndlars]

Oh, that about the tubes, and also speaker break-in, will change the sound considerately. But actually I think the new one is too bright. Could be tubes, could be speaker, could be the pots having different values (not specified, but actual values)...

[@JAMEYSIMMS]

I like the old one. They both sound great. I would love to get my hands on a 2x10 model. I play Fender Stratocasters and I like the way 10" speakers behave with single coils.

[@zeroceiling]

Nothing "smokes" anything......these amps are so close that to insert superlatives like " smokes" is just plain nuts..... Great job Marshall

[@mcharlesjohnb3473]

They are close - The new one is still a good amp - The old one a little bit more smooth - I like both

[@rustyshimstock8653]

Hey guys! Thanks for the conviviall infotainment. Who played the intro music for this episode? Sounds like Django on electric. I'd like to hear some more of that. Thanks again.

[@garysmall4843]

Love the warmth of the original. Bright and crisp.... any new amp can do.

[@ronhuther577]

Agreed the original was warmer....probably due to the 50 year old Greenback. The RI was also very good and has the same vibe. Not many amps can do this tone other than other Marshall's and some top end clones.

[@willlinesSausagefingers]

Oscar sounds great on both amps but I think slightly better on the old amp.. I have had a little drink though so for the Burst's name i'll say "Southern Comfort.". Lol..;-) Great video guys...

[@axemagazine]

Great video. Is there any reverb added?

[@kathyfoucaud940]

Very good demo !! The old one is like an old red wine !! deeper darker !! Be patient let the young one getting older in age !!!

[@DFraserHomes]

Right-o about the reverb, not Marshall reverb (they have none) so we added a little large room reverb from Pro Tools to try it out as most of us are not listening from a foot from the speaker therefore it might be a more natural envinronment to compare sounds. Or not. No EQ or compression. D & P

[@gregorypease213]

Cool amps, and both sound great, each with its own character. I love the chime of the newer one, and the breakup is sweet. I'm saving my pennies… Cool pipe, too.

[@rodolphecloitre1549]

While my guitar gently weeps! what are the tubes in each amp? looks like the new celestion needs to be more broken in

[@chriscuratolo3543]

hi what do you think of putting in a alnico gold celestion to warm things up in the new one would like your input

[@jcshirke]

Old one. No contest. With some mods and with vintage speakers, the new amp could get real close, I bet. That's been my experience with vintage vs. new Voxes, in any case.

[@bottleneck1100]

There's so much people don't understand about valve amplifiers. One of them, is the effect that heat has on the circuit, capacitors in particular. The original values will be DIFFERENT on the 1968 original, and by no small margin - although they would have left the factory with the same specification. Add to this the fact that 60's components are less tolerant of heat than modern equivalents, and the difference is increased still further. The new one will sound more like the original one did back when it left the factory.

[@tomroutledge8900]

I like the sound of the old one better, but seems like the new one had better dynamics/touch sensitivity?

[@DFraserHomes]

The older one has more compression coming from either the amp or speaker or both and compression is the enemy of dynamics. One could probably get more touch back (if one wanted to) with a different speaker, maybe rectifier tube? It would be a good position to be in to have the original and have those options. D&P

[@ercclaptono2303]

Just Discovered you guys today, the first 3 vids I watched contained 3 of my guitars, Junior, Black Beauty and Goldtop, great playing, great for just getting inspired with real tone, great job guys, long may you reign!

[@andypearce5537]

60 sunburst les paul should be "Amber" waves.

[@gmlasam]

The old one certainly sounds very different, like night and day. The newer one, thinner, brighter, biting, and crunchy tone. The older one, warmer, midrange, mojo tone. Regardless, both sound good.

[@insideroom17]

The old one sounds more like a hot plexi, the newer is just too bright or too thin, the old one is just amazing, it’s so warm, balanced and full of harmonics, very rich.

[@DTM-ch7jy]

The original is more my favorite, but the reissue is still great. I like the warmth of the original.

[@michaelmccarthy6722]

Congratulations on a fantastic series and thanks for taking the time to do them. I would love to hear the difference between a late 50's vibrolux and a deluxe.

[@ront8270]

Good to see you again pat and doug …maybe we need (2) two 66-67’s to hear the difference in just amps ..then recompare

[@thomasneily8267]

So what model is reissue. What year cuz i think there's different years. So what is model in video?

[@tinoguerrero3120]

Very nice! Wouldnt it have been better to leave both amps on and just swap the cable back and forth? The tubes would get warmer and warmer after awhile. I have NOS tubes and rectum-frier on my 1974x clone and it sounds great also. I love both tones/both amps!

[@morenoteslesstalk]

The Marshall 18-watt is the stuff of legends-pure tube power at its finest. After all my research, I decided to pick up a Sound City Studio 20 since it’s said to be pretty similar. I’ve got a video up on my channel if you’re interested! The cleans are solid, but it’s the overdrive that really takes it to another level. Let me know what you think!

[@alexkatsaros6180]

Took a while to find you guys. But hay! Love the show! Bought the tee shirt all I need is a hat! Keep up the good work. Katz

[@Joska43]

Awesome video, both amps is out of universe!

[@gwEmbassy]

The original sounds superb. The reissue is a lovely amp, better than most out there. But in the end the original wins fairly easily - loads of character

[@GraffitiPhysical]

The vintage amp sounds more vintage. Lol. The new one sounds more new. I love the sound of the vintage one, although I wouldn't know back the new one either. I guess there's a lot to be said about old speakers, they don't have as much high frequency response, a warmer sound. The new one is clearer sounding. The new one will be more reliable and will eventually have a warmer sound when the speaker really ages. Great demo boys.

[@robd754]

I love these demos, but the new one obviously needs some break n period.. it is amazing how much warmer the speaker will get..swap the speakers and redo the demo...ya know, if yur bored and have nothing else on the go

[@iagobroxado]

Rob D Or just turning down the tone control on the reissue would probably make them much closer, instead of leaving the settings the same.

[@Dagger_323]

Not about a break-in period. New Celestions are simply nothing like the originals and are voiced totally different. I have never heard a modern Celestion sound anything like an original even after being played at stage volume for hundreds of hours. The speakers are by far the biggest downfall to modern amps.

[@smeercat]

Both sound good to me! The real winner is the gold top!!!

[@SIRONEDRAGON]

The Old M amp has beautiful Mids as the new has more highs.. The name of the 60's LP Sunburst should be " Seth " in honor of Seth Lover.....

[@KennyLeee1]

Gold Grease The first time I ever heard an saw one was in 1969 at a Grease concert Gold Grease is my name for that guitar

[@cheycasters]

This is a little late of a post but, the OLD amp sounded the best at all volumes on the guitar knobz.........

[@raysheetz7782]

Both amps sound great, you are a great guitarist and my money is on the speakers making most of the difference. The new one is way brighter, a tone adjustment away from being sweet.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

This may be one of the first reviews where I think the newer amp is just as good as the old amp in its own way theyh are both amazing its just nice to see a company actually sticking to something and I love the fact marshall is finally going back to there classic tones alot of there newer amps have much more of there classic tone and im very very happy about that but really I can almost gauruntee that the newer marshall isnt even broke in well yet probably not even a full 20 hours on it yet wait for that speaker and evrryrhing to get around 50 60 hours on it will more then likely sound like the onlder one will get a little warmer iver time like most amps do my vox after 20 hours has gained alot of warmth at first the treble was super dominant now its got amooth highs and very nice lows great warmth amazing tone probably o ne o f the best tones from an amp ive ever ever heard the crazy thing is with these marshals the new 18 seem like it had more clarity I will say that zi actually really liked the tone of the newer one

[@bugsycline3798]

Man The difference is noticed instantly .... Oldie for me please