2024 Ineos Grenadier Review: A New, Old $80,000 SUV

[@brebmann]

5:37 “you don’t want just all buttons and switches because if you did, it would end up looking like an aircraft control panel.” That’s exactly what I want.

[@zigforjustice]

Same

[@HenryBop]

I want that so bad lol

[@rmp5s]

Nailed it. 100%. This is SICK!!!

[@julianevans9548]

The boss of Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe, campaigned for Brexit, said the Grenadier would be built in Britain... it's built in Austria, and (post-Brexit) he's moved to Monaco to avoid over a £4 billion in tax.

[@BrandEver117]

Yeah Idk what Doug is thinking lol

[@lukeroberts8257]

The Grenadier actually started when Ratcliffe got denied by Land Rover for his old Defender to be serviced as they were discontinuing the Defender. Ratcliffe then combed through all the dcouments he could on the Defender and discovered that Land Rover had actually failed to patent the classic Defender shape and style. So Ratcliffe stole it, won the legal case and thus the Ineos Grenadier was born. Dude is a legend.

[@John-du2mq]

Very Lamborghini esque story. I would rather buy this than a land rover.

[@lukeroberts8257]

100%@@John-du2mq

[@roddydykes7053]

This guy is obviously a legend for planning its inception while at the pub.

[@hugolafhugolaf]

Why would Land Rover deny anyone service on the basis that the car is discontinued?

[@sadmanh0]

@@hugolafhugolaf it costs money to keep their mechanics and technicians trained with all the documentation, spare parts and tools needed to service older cars. Some companies still do this regardless, like the Porsche commercial, but not JLR apparently.

[@4unkb0y]

The "toot" button feature with the bicycle logo is specifically there because Ineos sponsors a cycling team :-) it's the little things that make the package great...

[@matthiaskettner6686]

Yet this feature would be great for every vehicle. Cars are getting too intimidating today.

[@AlvinBurt1]

Yet it looks hideous

[@FRL2000]

My 2016 VW has a secondary toot horn, alas it's only for the alarm notification.

[@flohwald]

You mean, because the AMG F1 team is as slow as a bicycle?

[@ItzzzBeamo]

“Here’s why you don’t want that.” That, sir, is *precisely* why I want that.

[@The_North0]

I saw this truck on the street going to the grocery store. I thought it was the old defender with new paints at first but then the more I looks I realized it wasn’t a defender but something different

[@Namedonelettere]

Yes we want everyone’s reaction to coming inside to be “oooh, what does this button do” and then we swat their hand and say don’t touch that

[@marklgarcia]

Yes! Give me all the buttons! I don't want to fiddle with a touch screen to locate the diff lock in some stupid menu.

[@ardijanuar2036]

In an old school offroader yes it's cool and functional, not in an normal cars/suv. Just remember how cluttered the dash and center panel of early 2010's porsche cayenne/panamera was and probably it will twice busier with today car features.

[@bedlambikes]

@@ardijanuar2036 yep….and I love it! More buttons than a Vector W8 and just as ridiculous. But you know what? I DIG IT.

[@ankitranjanghosh3615]

In the era of boring cars with minimalistic non practical interiors, this one clearly is a breath of fresh air. The interior is heavily inspired from an aircraft cockpit, and I gotta admit this is cool !

[@Herkulez1981]

God i hate these simplistic interiors like teslas, they are just cold, souless and boring

[@ankitranjanghosh3615]

@@Herkulez1981 imagine your Tesla is in an accident, you lost that one big screen that literally controls everything in your car Now you cant even change gears in your Tesla or put it in reverse 🤡 Advanced Technology ❌ Cost cutting ✅

[@mazatlan79P]

@@ankitranjanghosh3615 That's my thinking as far as warning lights cluster - in 15-20 years there will be no way of fixing infotainment screen- Grenadier will happily display all needed data using LED lamps.

[@tedarcher9120]

@@ankitranjanghosh3615 that's why you have buttons to change gears in teslas

[@ankitranjanghosh3615]

@@mazatlan79P yes that specific part with all warning lights at one place was very clever and unique!

[@Dylan-rs4yx]

SOOOOO nice to see a NEW car have CHARACTER and not some bland minimalist simple look. HUGE standing ovation for this company creating a new gas powered rugged military style machine. The soul of this car kinda reminds me of a hummer from the 2000’s. Not a whole lot of tech. It was made to be rough housed and I love that!

[@BryanPike]

Recirculating ball steering just like original military humvees.

[@apollo4657]

Doug has never dropped the ball so hard in any video I’ve ever seen of his complaining about the consoles and switch gear. That set up is outstanding !

[@danielcrouch6589]

He's getting fat, too.

[@kennorcott7074]

I agree on the bmw shifter though, I’ve sat in one of these grenadier’s and the bmw shifter is just odd. I understand why they did it though

[@danielpope6498]

Right? It looks like an aircraft cockpit because they specifically wanted it to look like one, not because its a problem related to physical switches. Its a cool, very deliberate, design choice

[@galactictomato1434]

Doug's losing his touch.

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@galactictomato1434why Demuro lost his touch btw?

[@Un.qualified.]

5:36 An interior looking like a fighter jet cockpit is exactly what we want, Doug.

[@krinos1]

A fighter jet has a glass bubble. So no overhead buttons 🤓👆

[@halfsourlizard9319]

Um, modern cockpits are almost entirely MFDs -- screens.

[@surrealengineering7884]

Exactly! Also i want the mini flippy switches they use in jets. Those that go dink dink dink, when you flip them!

[@unloveableandre]

Like, everybody!

[@trentinocerra3346]

@@krinos1 lol button and switches are so perfect for this car regardless of bubble cockpit jet fighter stigmatized comment you had lol no hate I’m sure you were joking around. But yeah this car is surely not a jet fighter it’s a jet bomber with a bmw b58 platform. And I know that motor has more then enough aftermarket support. Soooo tbh this car is so cool for its place in the market in my opinion. Also had no idea of it until doug dropped this

[@DgaDM]

This is not an SUV Toy, this thing is capable! And the interior with all its buttons is EXACTLY what I would prefer! Plus a BMW engine … to put it short: I want one!

[@robertoschaumburg5719]

There's a reason why Doug didn't drive this fake off-road vehicle on the track hahaha the target group is 80 year olds and they want to drive to Applebee's, not go off-road.

[@theairaccumulator7144]

The lack of a gauge cluster is unfortunate though. Having a mid-range vehicle with physical gauges would've been great when only ultra budget cars and super high end sports cars still have them

[@nichtgefunden404]

@@robertoschaumburg5719 cope harder

[@Strange84]

Should have used a Toyota engine.

[@nichtgefunden404]

@@Strange84 even Toyota uses BMW engines 😂😂😂

[@logicerrormusic]

Actually love how the interior looks really like an old school airplane cockpit

[@HoolaaBaaloo]

In fact it looks like an Airbus upper panel

[@bedlambikes]

Nicest interior in production today. Seriously. Screens are so obnoxious.

[@julianevans9548]

The boss of Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe, campaigned for Brexit, said the Grenadier would be built in Britain... it's built in Austria, and (post-Brexit) he's moved to Monaco to avoid over a £4 billion in tax.

[@plugsocket9432]

So What? He can do whatever he likes. The UK never got a proper Brexit due to Pro-EU luvvies. The EU isn't doing well especially in the likes of Germany at the moment. Finally, the global trade for the EU is in decline at 13%. Brexit was meant for the UK to do something different instead of going down with the sinking EU. @@julianevans9548

[@ωις-λ3π]

@@julianevans9548 sounds about right.

[@mundoracer]

Doug: "Giant array of buttons and switches 👎" Everyone else: Clean, simple, and good looking design 👍

[@floofy117]

exactly, and specifically that everything can be actuated easily while wearing gloves

[@fraserwright9482]

Overhead switches hit your head if you are off-roading. In a plane you wear a harness.

[@floofy117]

@@fraserwright9482 that really isn't an argument. Most people aren't tall enough to hit the Grenadier's headliner while sitting, and people are strapped down with seatbelts.

[@CowboyJuice]

@@floofy117 not nearly as often when offroading. regardless, its idiotic

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@floofy117the same case also ever happening to one of SEAT Cordoba owners.

[@shiftymiata]

The button panels in this car are absolute perfection. They way they're grouped, spaced, labeled, positioned, everything. It's beautiful.

[@krpajda]

Doug showing the most stylish center console in "off road" suv segment saying "this is why you don't want all switches" is very funny to me

[@elrey8876]

*ALSO* complaining about having to climb up into the back seats... that's a feature not a bug. They expect you to have rock sliders fitted that act as a step.

[@DSG-farts-connoisseur]

right? that array of buttons look cool af and fits the car perfectly

[@clubtercelquebec]

Exactly what I was going to talk about... Doug : looks like a jet aircraft cockpit .... Yeah... why are you trying to say it like it's a bad thing? I just want one right now! Lol

[@TheSlowDude]

AMG Hammer had a similar amount of Buttons, back then called spaceship interior 😂 I love it

[@1983Corolla]

He's so inconsistent on small aspects. He says in one review a car needs more buttons and too much is integrated in the screen, then here an off-road truck intentionally uses more buttons so you don't have to dig through a screen mid-trail and suddenly he's saying "This is why you don't want all of these" like huh? I've watched Doug for years and he flipflops constantly on if he likes certain things on a dime. Like the Bronco has almost this many buttons but because this is setup in an intentional way style wise it's CRAZY and TOO MUCH, I just don't get it.

[@jeeves_uk]

"looks like an aircraft control panel" you say that like it's a bad thing.

[@spideypete9749]

Exactly, there's a reason aircrafts don't have screens everywhere

[@LindsayM1]

@spideypete9749 They actually do now, although still lots of switches and buttons as well

[@crxdelsolsir]

Solid state buttons. No lag No glare No multi layer menu to navigate Intuitive Can operate with touch No dirty glass Etc. Only stops working when physically worn and can be easily opened and repaired with normal tools (not dealer available only computers, proprietary plugs and dealer reset fees etc).

[@thegamingraccoon2002]

No Doug, this is exactly why you want all buttons and switches. Everything is laid out right in front of you for easy access and, lets be honest, it looks so damn cool

[@ImARealHumanPerson]

"Laid out right in front of you" On the ceiling 😅

[@ImARealHumanPerson]

A screen is literally right in front of you. In all modern cars lmao.

[@LAndrewsChannel]

@@ImARealHumanPerson Yes, but not the functionality. You don't have to enter a sub menu to activate downhill assist, diff locks or some other "less used" functionality like other cars might do.

[@thegamingraccoon2002]

@@ImARealHumanPerson did you notice which buttons were placed on the ceiling though? They were all buttons for stuff that you probably aren't gonna use that often. Thus giving more room for more frequently used switches in front of you. Like I said, it's all laid out for easy access

[@greatheightsu]

Doug you've never missed the point of something more than in this video. We. Want. That.

[@purwantiallan5089]

The 2024 INEOS Grenadier is as expensive as Lexus IS F imo.

[@jgaines4]

Seriously, how out of touch is he here? Why would we want cost-cutting crap like screens when we could have real buttons and knobs?

[@SinlowMusic]

BMW engine. Defender looks. Airplane cockpit. This thing literally checks every box most car guys could want. Screw a Jeep or Bronco. I want this. Jesus.

[@louisbarningham]

@@SinlowMusic I way prefer a bronco but this is much better than a fiat chrysler jeep

[@kaitai5900]

@@SinlowMusic BMW engine. That’s the weak point in this car. Should have gone into partnership with Toyota for engine and drivetrain. It would actually hold its value rather than plummeting immediately after driving off the lot. And, would become legendary for the right reasons.

[@SinlowMusic]

@@kaitai5900 You’re genuinely dense and uneducated about cars and it shows. Holy smokes. 😂

[@Jay-rb5rs]

@@kaitai5900 toyota engines atm ain't doing so well, also toyota uses the same bmw engine

[@blaze553]

I love the look of this thing, and the cockpit... but, I think I'd still choose my Wildtrack bronco over this. But, I guess I'll have to go drive one of these to know for certain!

[@abrahamcoons9848]

Glad to see there’s guys out there with enough money and ambition to do something like this. From the manual handbrake to the exterior design and the switches. It seems like what a lot of us want. I know it’s a luxury car and niche, but seriously if they could get this in the 50-60k area they’d sell like crazy I think

[@Tisrok]

Give it a few years and they'll be at that price. 70k ish MSRP right now. My Dad works at a dealership that sells them, I got a free Ineos T-Shirt from the man himself. These things are a sweet ride. Performs like a 120k Defender, without the horrible maintenance costs (Land Rover being part of Jaguar can explain their price tags+maintenance)

[@NormanStansfield1]

@@TisrokIs that 70K pounds or US dollars? Doug was saying about $80 K US which is not cheap but a lot of crappy American made pick up trucks are $80K. Ford's stuff is pretty good but GM and Dodge makes pretty bad pickups. Still, pickup trucks for $80k is crazy. Many have turbos too which is another potential problem. I am amazed that this Grenadier can get everything done with a non turbo straight 6 BMW which is a rock solid powerplant.

[@skyster3292]

@@NormanStansfield1 the grenadier uses the BMW B58 engine which is a turbo charged 6 cil engine. A good one to be fair.

[@StowellLogic]

My 23 pickup was 68. When my lease is up I might look at something like this!

[@roots4x]

@@skyster3292 The B58 is put in cars like the X5 and X7. It has proven to be reliable and is the culmination of development originating from the N54. It has more real power than a naturally aspirated V8 and in a fairly small footprint. I can't say for sure, but it is likely very easy to work on this engine in a car like the Grenadier. I'd rather have a B58 than most of the V8s American trucks use. American trucks use a lot of crappy turbocharged V6 engines these days anyway. People cared about cylinder count back when emissions standards and American car stagnation basically set power output to displacement. It also of course changes the exhaust note. While a V8 would sound cool in an SUV like this, the B58 was absolutely the right choice. Too bad it doesn't come in a manual, but that'd be a non-starter and honestly off road driving is probably better with an automatic.

[@ErikTheAndroid]

Doug for the love of god stop telling me I don't want buttons. That interior looks awesome and very practical. That is exactly what I want. No soulless screens for me please. Edit: Somehow missed the word "don't"

[@BryanPike]

Ever try to use a touch screen with gloves on? He does not strike me as the familiar with hard labor type.

[@boomhaueroo8703]

​@BryanPike smooth hands... no doubt about it. Now he's gone full blown "outta touch millionaire." 😢

[@RubyRoks]

@@boomhaueroo8703 Doug's the type of guy who buys a Carrera GT and a Countach and then sells 2 of his SUVs to "simply his life".

[@prestonm.64]

This comment makes no sense

[@boomhaueroo8703]

@@RubyRoks lol

[@Tang0Fox1]

"Here's why you don't really want all these buttons." YES. "It looks like an aircraft interior." YESS, I'm not seeing a problem.

[@matthiaskettner6686]

Here‘s what I never thought I would say about an SUV: I like it. I like the looks, I like the switches inside (and completely disagree with Doug in that way). Little things like the bicycle horn show the nice attitude of the creators towards others. Superb vehicle and very outstanding in today‘s all-the-same cars!

[@vicenarybuffalo2296]

I’m a huge fan of these already. The B58 has proven reliability and performance and I think Ineos’ choice will pay in huge dividends later. I love the “aircraft cockpit” feel to the buttons. If these were in my price range I would buy one tomorrow. Hopefully will be able to pick one up in a few years on the used market

[@aluxannar]

This is one of the best interiors I have seen in the car. How can you not get excited by it.

[@kendall959]

Because it has a iPad dash. Not reliable to have computers control a truck. Better to refurbish a old land rover. Or gut one of these and put in a Carburetor V8 with analog gauges.

[@MaticTheProto]

it sucks lol

[@dth2brny121]

A utilitarian vehicle that answers all our questions and is designed the way we want it, with the traditional functions we expect. I LOVE THIS THING.

[@hami_1012]

So basically an old Defender that is livable. Nice.

[@petayV8]

And double the price....

[@gioc610]

@@petayV8 Yeah but less than new defenders (and way better) and half the price of G Wagon

[@technom3598]

Double the price of a defender? Uhh... Have you seen how mucha defender sells for? ​@@petayV8

[@todorkatsarski7487]

It's actually what Land Rover themselves should have built. I'm very impressed by the car. I don't plan to buy a vehicle like this, but if I were, the Ineos would be in my top 3 list.

[@njg5942]

I had a Defender 110 TDI for 12 years (until 2007) doing research in Kenya and Tanzania. Not expensive (except for frequent bush replacement), always got me home, def livable! kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5aaqIBmhqhogqc

[@Justsomegamergamingandstuff]

I saw one on the road, and a bunch on a car hauler. Almost seems like they came out of nowhere. They look so sick, and as a pilot, I absolutely love the switches

[@volvo09]

The interior buttons and switches look awesome! Very airplane inspired.

[@Justsomegamergamingandstuff]

@@volvo09 it is so cool, and I almost want one just for the switches 😂

[@julianevans9548]

The boss of Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe, campaigned for Brexit, said the Grenadier would be built in Britain... it's built in Austria, and (post-Brexit) he's moved to Monaco to avoid over a £4 billion in tax.

[@Justsomegamergamingandstuff]

@@julianevans9548 👍

[@gfdia35]

​@@julianevans9548can't tell if you're bitching about this or praising this ,, just sounds like a good business decision, one allows you to build the vehicle at all the other doesn't

[@watchesandcaps2566]

I specced out and ordered one of these as soon as they were allowing it. Just had to wait for the dealer network to be built here in the U.S. I should be picking up my custom ordered Ineos in about a month. Great looking and driving SUV.

[@tomstapleton9536]

Have you picked yours up now? How is it?

[@hajjdawood]

I need the diesel. 14 mpg will kill me. 25 MPG with diesel and the torque = heaven.

[@cwr8618]

@@hajjdawood are they going to release a diesel in the US? And it CA?

[@RubyRoks]

5:20 Doug, i hate to break it to you, but this is the objectively correct way of doing things. As close to a button for every function as possible, all large enough to be pressed by those with dexterity issues and with clear labeling.

[@ondrej1112]

Also easy to operate with gloves on or with dirty hands

[@MrDuncl]

@@ondrej1112 I wonder if you can hose down the interior. The original 1970 Range Rover was designed so you could 🙂

[@bizzzzzzle]

The last thought is people with “dexterity issues”

[@roddydykes7053]

@@bizzzzzzleyeah but it’s 2024 so a company could easily say it was

[@Real_MisterSir]

Also the fact that all vehicle-related features are in fixed positions, easy to reach, and require no more than one step to activate/deactivate. They're grouped conveniently so when you know where a cluster of features are, you can easily predict which other features are in each cluster without having to search the whole cabin (or worse, dig through countless menus in a screen). This is screen+button layout done right. Screen should be saved for screen-benefitting features like phone integration, maps, reading vehicle data, etc. Stuff that would be too complicated to present with analogue means. I'd probably provide a beefier cpu/drive for the screen electronics so it doesn't feel like a bad quality 2013 nav system, but hey at least you could still use 95% of the vehicle without ever having to bother with the screen in the first place.

[@jamesb5863]

I see a lot of the comments are about the buttons. I personally like them. Doug complains about them and then the first ones he shows are all the basic A/C buttons right there easy to use. The ones on the ceiling are the less used ones, so they are out of the way but not forgotten, because lets face it, if they were buried under some menu on a touch screen they would be totally forgotten and then never used at all. And this vehicle seemed to do a great job and clearly identifying all of them.

[@iamgermane]

Plastic transmission cover underneath with no skid plate for the transmission. One mechanic said the angled drive shafts might cause long-term issues...

[@afigzr]

What a terrible time to be poor

[@farcenter]

This.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

Word

[@YaNice117]

Tell me about it lol

[@johnny.twister]

Bidenomics is real

[@Jonas-km4qx]

I'll wait 20 years for a used one.

[@zigforjustice]

5:29 -- Yes, I just want buttons. And looking at all the buttons made me so happy. It could be the pilot in me though. 🛩

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

You HAVE to give the rest of us mortals some cool Pilot stuff to say as we’re fiddling with the buttons. One of these days my wife is going to wake up hearing “Danger Zone” being played loudly in the garage in the middle of the night while I’m randomly flipping switches in the Grenadier, wearing my kids gaming headset and saying gibberish like “niner niner what’s your vector coming in on final approach,” so you have to help us out on the lingo. I should also probably grow a mustache.

[@tylerbuck9347]

Love this comment

[@faba6753]

LOVE IT - love the buttons, the build quality, the ruggedness, what a great SUV!

[@tylerlover]

It's lovley but unrefined, I sat in one. Very cool but not worth the price, it feels cheaper. An example of it not being refined is that none of the infotainment works unless the key is in, which is not the norm

[@MKIVGTI1.8]

Seems like Ineos knows their customer base well. The physical aircraft inspired switch panels, the record a trail feature, the dual horn, the auxiliary switches, etc are all nice quality of life upgrades that major automakers often overlook for a vehicle aimed at this market.

[@leeward6762]

It appears most people disagree with Doug about the buttons...I certainly do.

[@rhopookie]

Watched this video yesterday. Driving down a single track road for work today and meet a Grenadier headed the other direction. Couldn't believe I immediately saw one in the wild, much less on a narrow road in a Colorado forest. I want one

[@davidgreenwood6029]

Weird. I also live in colorado and just watched a video about synchronicity. What are the chances?

[@PhantomTechnik131]

Saw one in Ohio a few weeks ago, really cool to see.

[@12gark]

Doug, the console with phisical buttons is absolutely perfect as is. The idea is that being an offroader centered around outdoor activities, you may want to push something wearing gloves, or with dirty hands, and whatever. Also, the entire interior, including the console, is pressure washable

[@davidc712dvd]

The bicycle symbol on the "toot" button is also a reference to the fact that theres a world tour cycling team sponsored by Ineos, called " Ineos Grenadiers"

[@gerageragerax]

this.

[@tobiassj7960]

I was confused when I saw the title, had me like "aren't they a pro cycling team?" hahah

[@sandiegocyclingnutz]

You beat me to it lol

[@benfinesilver2250]

Yep, the conceived in the Grenadiers pub blurb is rubbish

[@ejacosta174]

You beat me to the Ineos Grenadier explanation. It is odd, however, that a company that makes a retro SUV also sponsors a pro cycling team. BTW, I absolutely love all the switches. Brilliant concept!

[@RECE4ER]

Crazy that this $80,000 SUV has less borrowed parts than new Maserati's do.

[@iparty98]

It has a B58 and a ZF 8 speed...

[@RECE4ER]

@@iparty98 That's engine and transmission, which are commonly shared amongst many different manufacturers like the new Supra that uses the same config. I'm talking switches, door handles, mirrors, etc. There's a lot of bespoke components to this $80,000 SUV, whereas a new Maserati with cheap Chrysler parts costs way more than that.

[@iparty98]

@@RECE4ER Very true, cheers🍻

[@RECE4ER]

@@iparty98 To you as well 🍻

[@kylegriffiths5990]

Most Land Rovers had borrowed parts from BMW/Ford. All of the cars under the VW, Stellantis, GM, Ford, Toyota groups also all share parts. The point being nearly every car on the road has some sort of parts sharing. It can be viewed in 2 ways. The first way if negatively being that its not bespoke or high quality. The second way is positive and that sharing parts means higher availability, easier to repair and cheaper to maintain.

[@zaccrippen]

Doug: There are too many buttons; it looks like a fighter and they tried too hard to make it look rugged. Me: This is the coolest truck I've ever seen. I want one now.

[@JamesReed-pe5ro]

We bought pre-production in 2021, ordered last June. Delivered in December. It gets a lot of looks and a lot of questions. It did take some getting used to, but it’s fantastic! 2600+ miles, so far.

[@tonybooth4]

Is the steering as bad as reviewed.

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

@@tonybooth4I took delivery a few weeks ago. Steering is fine, road feel is fine, off-road is a religious experience. It’s not a SUV - it’s a full time 4x4 truck. So no, it doesn’t have independent suspension and rack and pinion steering - it’s solid axle with recirculating ball steering. It doesn’t “wander,” but no, it doesn’t recenter after a hard turn. You just turn it back. People use terms like “it means business,” or “unflappable.” It’s not sloppy, but it serves a specific purpose. One thing I would add is it doesn’t feel compromised on the road - some of these feel like you’re riding on the edge of sanity. This is way more composed on road.

[@castrojosua]

That is amazing, I am going to wait another year or so before buying one. It would definitely compliment my scat pack in looks.

[@tonybooth4]

@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc OK it was just a common theme that the lack of rack and pinnion steering box was a problem however if you are happy that's all good, there is a hard core off road guy in Australia who reviewed it who is very popular you may want to look him up

[@MiamiSunrise]

I work for a hotel and we had a dealer from LA come through who stays with us now and again and he brought a Grenadier in with him and I had a chance to drive it. Frankly I was impressed with its look and its interior. The switch panels in the interior were really fun and felt different than other Rovers we will normally see. Fun review Doug, thanks for the deep dive.

[@Catcrumbs]

Where do you normally see Rovers? I'm astonished to think that any number of them have been kept to the current day.

[@biodrummindieseler]

What kind of dealer? 🤨

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@biodrummindieseler Drug dealer, probably

[@10RRASK]

I cannot get over how good these trucks look. I hope Ineos sticks around for a long time.

[@MaestorRasanen]

I prefer that airliner switch board over the touch screen any day. It looks fantastic.

[@ThomasTrepagnier]

This is dope. That interior was really cool. I love how it is airplane cockpit themed. Wish more guys like the creator of this car would get together and bring back the old school blazers

[@roddydykes7053]

And old-school 90s Japanese tuners like MR2 and RX7

[@roberdtmabisi6587]

Would like to see another guy bring back humvee for civilian market not this secretive humvee series

[@underpass61-v2]

I drove a 1974 International Scout from '88-'93 - been kicking myself for selling it ever since. Ineos has me dreaming of those days again, I need this.

[@cwr8618]

The Scout would've soaked up all your time fixing and finding parts. I had one as well. Fun / cool, but man, not even a practical 3rd car.

[@zapfanzapfan]

Proper hand brake and physical buttons, yes, that is exactly what I want!

[@landonw8982]

This is actually worth the money , you’re not getting plastic and screens and that’s why I love it. Proper suspension and diff locks , fantastic engjne and design

[@caidee]

Or get the new land cruiser, this thing doesn't even have a proper power steering and it's probably unreliable

[@LAndrewsChannel]

@@caidee It has a B58 BMW engine mated to a ZF transmission. Those are in vehicles for almost 10 years. I really doubt that the reliability would be a concern here.

[@caidee]

@@LAndrewsChannel Yeah but take other factors in consideration, maybe they altered the engine with aftermarket parts etc..also I would still take the new Land Cruiser or lexus GX over this any day

[@LAndrewsChannel]

@@caidee They are still using BMW's shifter, I really doubt they modified the engine more than tuning it for offroading so, again, reliability is not a question for their setup. As for LC and GX, those are big SUVs, not proper offroaders unlike this car. Choosing them over this one means that you don't need a proper offroader rather than those being better vehicles.

[@hajjdawood]

@@caidee "probably unreliable" it has one of the best rated engines and transmission combos that your lover, toyota, has used and helped develop. The new land crusier uses an overworked 4 cylinder engine that is turbocharged to hell and back. In addition Toyota has recently been recalling their vehicles and engines left and right. I wouldn't buy any modern toyota if you want reliability. Maybe a camery.

[@kapkoW99]

When I saw one of these in the wild here in Colorado Springs, I genuinely thought someone customized an old defender! Then I saw Grenadier, super cool

[@floofy117]

That's a raised air intake not a snorkel. for the people who would argue that it's the same, a snorkel is sealed airtight whereas a raised air intake is not sealed and often consists of multiple pieces which makes it easy for water to ingress at various points along the intake. the sole purpose of the raised air intake on the Grenadier is for dirt/dusty road/trail usage where the intake get's clean air above the dust left behind by other vehicles

[@jamessveinsson6006]

It’s also for the engine to breathe and Dusty trails with vehicles in front of you stirring up Dusty Trail

[@kevinbarry71]

The sole purpose is to boost the undersized self-esteem quotient of the people who bought one. They do nothing for performance, in fact they hinder it. Marketing nonsense

[@greatPretender79]

If water could get in, then why couldn't dust?

[@kevinbarry71]

@@greatPretender79 precisely. It's just an overpriced option to make small people feel important

[@floofy117]

@@kevinbarry71 it's not to boost performance, it's just to allow the vehicle a chance to get relative cleaner air on a dusty trail when driving behind other vehicles. It's expensive for sure and most likely not necessary for most people, but for the people that spend a lot of time in remote dusty roads a raised air intake helps the vehicle to breathe better and prevents the air filters from getting clogged up so quickly as they would with a stock intake in those conditions. That's all. As you said it's an option so the vehicle as standard doesn't have it equipped so you don't need to complain about it if you don't like it. There will be people who equip it just for the esthetics of it and that's their own choice and their own money it doesn't affect you

[@rogersmj]

That “Toot” button is possibly the most British feature I have ever seen.

[@TheEulerID]

Rolls Royces and other brands used by the well heeled country set would have two horns with different levels of tonal insistence, but they used to be termed "town" and "country".

[@BryanPike]

Right?

[@snakerb]

It’s to do with the Ineos Grenadier cycling team.

[@charleetuner]

Town and Country horn; only in Britain lol

[@basshead.]

I've seen a "Telly" button.

[@SunnyJim93]

Trialmaster and Fieldmaster are jackets made by Belstaff, a company also owned by Jim Ratcliffe. A nice bit of extra advertising for one of his other businesses.

[@SucculentSaguaro]

This thing is awesome, ive been wanting a quieter momentary horn for YEARS. A "Toot" button is absolutely perfect. I need one.

[@staffy73]

A “toot” button is a great idea and 8 year old me thinks “toot” is synonymous with “fart” which is also great and totally hilarious 🤣

[@hivetyrant7]

The full origin story is great, Jim Ratcliffe (a billionaire) tried to buy the discontinued tooling parts/machines from JLR so he could continue to work on his Land Rover and they said no, so he said "screw it" and started a car company himself.

[@BryanPike]

And had Magna Steyr,who built the G Wagon, start on a whole new fresh slate with best of breed components.

[@puertousbmonkey]

just a copy

[@AlessandroCorazzaCA]

So many automakers started when the founder had a FU moment against someone else. Ferruccio Lamborghini for example, or William Durant at Chevrolet.

[@gasgasman230]

He backed the UK's Brexit plan, then moved production to France.

[@Hiltok]

@@gasgasman230Yep, he found out fast about manufacturing and being inside or outside the EU.

[@williammedeiros7130]

I audibly gasped and wowed at the instrument panel IN A GOOD WAY that's awesome I want it.

[@Ryan-zu5li]

Too many buttons? Not enough buttons! That center console is amazing, I love it.

[@Far2hip]

The entire premise of the Grenadier is an extremely off-road capable utility vehicle that is perfectly livable in the on-road environment. If you take this thing for a nice long adventure that includes a decent amount of travel off of the paved world, that’s when the intention of the Grenadier becomes quite obvious and you quickly come to appreciate why the steering is designed that way. To be able to drive off the lot in a Trialmaster optioned out in factory trim and immediately be capable of what this thing can carry you safely, capably, and comfortably through, it’s an amazing first iteration that nearly nails every design intention spot on. For the first time being introduced to market as a new car brand with a first offering, Ineos has done an absolutely amazing job. 👍🏻😎👍🏻

[@australia-ukraine]

Good try for marketing promo but reality is like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6SueaZonJKLn9ksi=DrenisFxJAlS5Qv0 To maintain clarity and objectivity, I've refrained from sharing my personal experiences, which are decidedly not in favour of the Grenadier.

[@Far2hip]

@@australia-ukraine , OK, I’ll bite. First of all you did present your personal input assuming I am doing some sort of marketing promo which is utterly incorrect. I only expressed that as a first iteration of the intention of an entirely new model introduced in this modern automotive marketplace as a first attempt as an entirely new auto manufacturer on a global scale is pretty damn impressive. Never did I even imply that there was no room or reason to express disappointment in any of the outcomes relevant to certain aspects of the product or the process of after sale support. In the video you use as the example of what appears to be the substitute for your impressions of dissatisfaction with the Grenadier, the final conclusion is that the owner still enjoys and appreciates the vehicle for what it’s intended to encapsulate as its design intention. In any new automobile model introduction there are always glitches to be expected to redesign in order to correct the inevitable design flaws that will emerge as the ever expanding use case scenarios unfold. In this instance of there additionally being an entire global support network created, there will additionally be the issues that surround the quite bold predictions of expedited support should there be any problems experienced by those that purchased the Grenadier in this first iteration and especially using it in its assumed most extreme circumstances. I never stated these issues wouldn’t have occurred or even assumed so. To me this has always been quite obvious until the company finds which avenues as the most appropriate and reliable. I tend to believe Ineos as a company that has put forth a substantial effort to create this effort with a $billion+ investment is taking quite seriously in order to narrow the opportunity for the naysayers to remark on in an attempt to take away from the perception of the Grenadiers viability in delivering the performance for which it’s intended. That’s the nature of cutting down on the actual vehicle itself without appreciating the effort behind its creation and manufacturing execution to begin with. I have no connection with Ineos outside of simply being impressed with the sort of commitment and effort involved in bringing such an idea to market with an actual vehicle that so closely matches what it was intended to achieve. But did I ever believe that a brand new auto manufacturer be able to land a vehicle on the ground into the global marketplace designed as a seriously utilitarian off-road intention that would also be acceptably compliant on-road with an entirely new distribution and support network and NOT experience any issues in both component reliability and support network issues overall?? Seriously?? Of course not. That would be foolishly unrealistic. I certainly don’t discount your opinions because what you are alluding to are things that to me were inevitable given the grand nature of the undertaking. But am I impressed by what Ineos has been able to achieve at this point given those same circumstances? Absolutely. Without question. 👍🏻😎👍🏻

[@vanquish_engineering]

I actually really like this. I've been looking at old defender 110's but reliability is a factor. THIS I could drive.

[@karacha]

Easily one of the best contemporary car interiors. Love the industrial-looking buttons and switches. And that engine is amazing.

[@mclouj]

That tailgate door pocket would be an ideal place to keep a first aid kit. The buttons everywhere are awesome and they feel great to use. The diesel B57 engine goes hard as well.

[@_BangDroid_]

Warning triangles aren't a bad idea, especially in low visibility if you break down. You could even store one there too.

[@mde2k3]

@dougdemuro, you're the man. I just saw this vehicle in person for the first time and was like what is this. So I ran to your channel and you already had a review on it!.

[@macaron3141592653]

5:27 stupid point for two reasons. Firstly, there aren't THAT MANY buttons in there, the buttons are HUGE and spaced out, so they take up alot of room, probably makes them easier to manufacture and use. Secondly, I would take this over a tesla interior ANY DAY. I also LOVE the toot feature. It should be standard in EVERY CAR

[@Ramonatho]

Bike horn for polite honking. This is what we've been asking for for years.

[@iamgermane]

Plastic transmission cover underneath with no skid plate for the transmission. One mechanic said the angled drive shafts might cause long-term issues...

[@HFV_Junkyardin]

Renault used to have a “city horn” and a “country horn.” in some of their cars. IIRC you’d pull the stalk for the city, and push for country.

[@Sube-Tube]

​@HFV_Junkyardin mercedes had that too. I think there was a switch on the dash for it

[@_BangDroid_]

Fit a semi or train horn to your car, use the normal horn for friendly _toots_ and the deafening one for jerk drivers.

[@Kacv-dc1tx]

What about those cool rims.

[@Veyronp87]

this is a really cool SUV. im glad they built it. back to basics with a modern drivetrain. exactly how a modern defender should be

[@jackoneil4164]

That's an absolute gorgeous button panel! Feels like someone is operating an airplane.

[@lonniestringfellow9854]

As an owner of many square 4×4's throughout the years, I actually love the look. Looking forward to watching it for the next few years for reliability.

[@levyroth]

I really do want all those buttons. They're awesome!

[@Big01021]

Naming a car after a Pub just screams " 3 lads in a shed energy "

[@maximeparent3004]

Every thing about this vehicle is genius. A true SUV with a very good powertrain, outstanding capabilities, and logical interior. I prefer big large buttons with a clear indication of what they do instead of messing with a screen filed with tiles and menus.

[@batterybuilding]

Over complicated engine and drivetrain from a company with questionable reliability. I’ll stick with a Land Cruiser. This thing exists to stoke rich people’s egos

[@maximeparent3004]

@@batterybuilding the B58 and ZF-8 are far from being over complicated. They are world class, proven mechanical components. It also has old school solid axles. This vehicle is far less complicated than anything else it compares to right now. I trust it more than the latest Land Cruiser.

[@HipsterEstonian]

@@batterybuilding The B58 and the new ZF boxes are ultra reliable. They are one of the main reasons why BMW is once again at the top of reliability rankings. It is probably the most reliable engine currently produced.

[@batterybuilding]

@@maximeparent3004 theres much more to an engine than mechanicals. Their weak link is the german electricals

[@batterybuilding]

@@HipsterEstonian which rankings would that be?

[@Chthonian121]

Yes, I LOVE all the buttons and switches. I absolutely love everything about this car.

[@mazda9624]

I can't believe Doug *doesn't* like the dashboard/ceiling buttons. This car looks so cool and practical on the inside and I'd take these physical controls *any day* over having all of it awkwardly shoved into the screen.

[@jordanplays-transitandgame1690]

Screens are better, you old people are weird

[@Kacpa2]

​​@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 No, they arent you fool. Its distracting and unintuitive to have to use it for basic media and climate controls. You still can have a touch screen just like it has, while having all important controls made physical. Tesla's approach is just braindead and just like cancerous practices of Apple spread like wildfire among laptop and smartphone brands, same thing happens woth brands mimicking the worst of what Tesla is doing.

[@jaypioh]

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 sure, screens are better if you suck on fluoride on a daily basis and have never understood aesthetic beauty. I'm 25 so you must be like 14 if you think only 'old' people prefer better interior design.

[@daldrete01]

​@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 Dude, no

[@RubyRoks]

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 I'm 27. Give me the large and clearly labeled buttons.

[@deltajohnny]

Great vehicle!! Doug does not undestand what most of us want/need... I love the interior! 😍😍😍

[@gregdankert]

Makes me miss my 1987 Isuzu Trooper - the best truck ever

[@TonyStark-wr7ob]

Finally! Not another boring "limited edition" Porsche 911 or McLaren.

[@jacobyo99]

I’m sick of both of these

[@sheerluckholmes5468]

"limited edition" is the car you build when you need to get rid of all the old left over bits and pieces from earlier "limited edition" runs.

[@TonyStark-wr7ob]

@@jacobyo99 ikr. I like the cars but they are basically same as the base with some extra goodies on it. lol the only different ones are the rally/offroad versions which are truly limited. The rest are just minor changes.

[@fitshamer]

13:39 Doug: The kind of guy to film a car video 65 feet below sea level.

[@johnteal2016]

it's being filmed in the subterranean cars and bids bunker, buried 7 stories below the San Diego harbor

[@SethBergile]

@@johnteal2016 actually it’s 1819 Main St. 😆

[@j.p.3345]

I saw one yesterday, no idea what it was, so I thought let's see if my friend Doug reviewed already this thing and sure enough...😂

[@Helmigurt]

The trim names Trialmaster and Fieldmaster are actually a reference to famous jackets from fashion brand Belstaff which is also owned by Ineos/Ratcliffe. On the badge under the windshield there’s even the phoenix logo of Belstaff. It’s not for me but I love the Grenadier and all the stories and Easter eggs around it.

[@amcn8425]

Yes and Trials refers to the sport of Motorcycle Trials (extreme off road) which the jacket is eminently suited to

[@allenmckay4476]

Yeah a small but telling detail that 99.9% of people will miss. Unless you know what the ISDT or SSDT or Doing the Ton are or saw early pics of Steve McQueen off-road racing. Nice catch even though ima Barbour guy.

[@MrDuncl]

I didn't realise Belstaff is a fashion brand now. I had a nylon one when I rode a motorcycle in the 1970s as I couldn't afford leathers 🙂

[@Yesthatsmyfirstname]

Doug: you don't want buttons you end up with basically an aircraft jet control center in here. Me: I want an aircraft jack control center in my car now... 🤣

[@jpcitroen6118]

I saw one of these in my city today....thought it was a restored 80s land rover as I passed by...but realized it wasn't. Cool rig.

[@rickc303]

This is amazing inside and out, with the sole exception being lack of an actual, analog gauge cluster. The center gauge screen is such a let down and huge missed opportunity for a beautifully designed instrument cluster to match the awesome switch gear

[@TheKaledonianz]

Dead right. I own a Fieldmaster, and the opportunity for some analogue dials (maybe reminiscent of a WW11 fighter cockpit?) is indeed a lost opportunity. The centre sceen, by the way, is a nightmare for reflection and unreadible in bright sunshine.

[@charlescharles3324]

Real shame. They also dropped the ball on that shifter, looks completely out of place.

[@Mart77]

5:27 - all those buttons are awesome, specially the ceiling ones. No, i dont want screens 8:27 - I have heard that some people in Europe call it a Nintendo 16:25 - the little door is mostly created for colder climates. When you have people in the car and need something from the back, you can open a little door and dont let all the warm air out. Overall absotely awesome machine, i really-really want one

[@smar1208]

also the stalks arent from bmw

[@focojeepr]

This is the coolest current offering from anyone. Solid axles. Straight six. Pest part is all of those real switches and dials in panels held down with accessible Allen head screws. This is so refreshing. Would be even better if it didn’t have the digital display at all.

[@rycophotography]

13:41 the dial shows altitude and compass heading (in degrees), not temperature. Also, the steering is a mechanical steering set up (recirculating-ball steering) which is why it feels like that. Tons of other quirks with this vehicle that weren’t covered but great review nonetheless. Source - drive one of these currently

[@concinnus]

As others have pointed out, it's a geometry thing (caster), not a rack quirk. If the balls have so much drag that they stop self-centering, it means they're binding/overtightened.

[@MrDuncl]

I have read that they chose that set up as it is better for off-roading. Maybe you could explain why.

[@Sauveterre06]

As a younger person(24) who spent a lot of time with my grandpa's old defender and Citroen mehari as a kid, seeing vehicles like these pop up is great. Of course I can't afford one now but it's the sort of vehicle I hope to own in the future

[@Sam-xt5gb]

Yeak 80k is about 2x too much

[@ThePricansaint]

This truck is AWESOME!! New school meets old school perfectly!! I Love the aiviator controls!

[@WesBundy82]

I love it.. The shape, All of the windows!!! ITS SIMPLY FANTASTIC!!!!!

[@volvo09]

Yeah, they nailed it with the styling.

[@bedlambikes]

I LOVE this thing!!!!!!!!! The buttons are AWESOME and no hybrid nonsense. Finally - SOMEONE gets it. Finally! Now - if its was 60k instead of 80.... ugh!

[@eduardoizquierdo309]

What is the problem with hybrid cars, if it is done right (the toyota way) it can be very convenient for when you are not off road

[@batterybuilding]

@@eduardoizquierdo309 hybrids have the potential to be even better off road! If in electric only mode you can have the ultimate low end torque. This monstrosity isn’t about true off road ability anyway.

[@youtubespectator669]

Not hybrid but there's potential in electric, specifically the ability to power and turn wheels independently without the use of a diff

[@bedlambikes]

@@eduardoizquierdo309 nothing is “wrong” with hybrids. I just want a free market where I can have the choice to buy a standard engine if I so desire one.

[@flojotube]

Saw one of these in Rutherford NJ yesterday and didnt know what I was seeing... I LOVE IT... shouldve known DOUG already reviewed it.

[@lyno1980]

This is exactly the interior I want, in a world of yuk I love this vehicle

[@garrickr5084]

I’ve owned the previous model G-Wagon and I owned two separate Jeep TJ’s (predecessor to the JK). To your point about nostalgia, this thing really appeals to me. Something about that breadbox look is just awesome!

[@edwinpadilla856]

All the things he criticized, are the very things I like the most! The quatermaster pickup version is beautiful, is more costly but it has everything I want in a strong pickup truck. Drove an H1 in the militar while station in Africa, it was the very reason I bought and build the Jeep jk 4 door I have with the least amount of tech. this vehicle embodies this very idea, with some tech, but all the switches makes it more fun, vs all other vehicles which large amount of tech makes it boring.

[@ijaen]

Doug, you missed the point with the center console. It is what everyone loves about it and everyone praises it. You can use it with muddy gloves (of course in the US that may not be a thing) try that with a screen…

[@OwlTL]

I love how many buttons there are. I would learn these buttons easier than memorizing screen functions.

[@mattscarborough3789]

I personally love all the buttons and switches!

[@Ruby_5ltr]

I just saw my first one in person the other day and was wondering why Doug hadn’t reviewed one yet. Almost perfect timing Doug!

[@julianevans9548]

The boss of Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe, campaigned for Brexit, said the Grenadier would be built in Britain... it's built in Austria, and (post-Brexit) he's moved to Monaco to avoid over a £4 billion in tax.

[@gfdia35]

Almost perfect timing ,,, so timing ? 😂

[@mjdgi1]

Yeah I just saw a few of them on some delivery trucks in Dallas a couple weeks ago I didn't know what it was

[@Cosworth190e]

Its built in Hambach, France in what used to be a Mercedes/Smart car assembly plant.@@julianevans9548

[@Basicshape4242]

The interior buttons and outer hook strips is why I need this car!

[@boraboy4ever]

Ratcliff owns the first defender built and restored. The king owned it and sat in a barn for years.

[@hamiltonhoover792]

I think you're wrong about the buttons that's exactly what we want.

[@Sir.co2]

The fact it has “powered by BMW” is very honorable and am pretty proud of them to do so. Proof BMW still makes great power trains.

[@Sube-Tube]

That isn't proof of that. I'd be very worried about taking a bmw engined anything off road

[@marcbee1234]

I'd be impressed if it was 'Powered by Toyota' I know - it's not British!

[@Sir.co2]

@@Sube-Tube you must not understand BMW engineering, or the other legendary cars that carry the same “powered by BMW” then. Most early Land Rovers, the McLaren F1, the current A90 Supra, etc the list goes on. Speaking as a former BMW technician of 10+ years, they engineer and design some of the best performing engines to both work on and own. Go work for Audi and Benz and see what I mean when you compare brands. Most people who cry and b***h about them are either traumatized or afraid of them because of the mostly false and confused internet stories they believe. No need to argue back here.

[@NormanStansfield1]

@@Sube-TubeThe McLaren F1 may be the greatest sports car ever built. It has a non-aspirated BMW V-12. There was a European racing series with endurance races. I think it was 6 races. The F1 was able to do the entire series without an engine rebuild. The McLaren F1 in it's first attempt at LeMans finished 1, 3, 4, 5 and 13th in the race not just in it's class. It beat full on racing prototypes. If I bought one of these, I would prefer the BMW diesel but the non-turbo version are very tough. The two companies Toyota works with are Mazda and BMW. Mazda's reliability may be even better than Toyota. Also Range Rover, Morgan and probably other firms use BMW powerplants. I am sure Jim Ratcliffe thought about and researched what would be be best powerplant for his creation. A straight 6 non-turbo BMW with oil changes can last 300K and the diesel probably even more before a rebuild. .

[@hassanger8128]

The B58 engine is the best engine 8n the entire auto industry. No one could make better engines than BMW

[@stevesohn5436]

This makes me feel a cross between a Defender and an Isuzu Trooper. Especially with the two door tailgate. 😊

[@TRLC]

Starting to get tired of reviewers telling people whats strange and what peope want/dont want. I WANT physical buttons, especially in this segement. I dont want to take my gloves on in the winter to use a stupid menu with 20 small clicks to turn on heated seats while im plowing around the snow and so on. And clearly im not the only one. I dont like sleek dashboards with a giant screen, my car is a utility item for me.