Dovin Baan’s Fate | MTG Lore Discussion

[@FenrirEX]

Short answer: no. Long answer noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-

[@genius11433]

I actually read the book, but misrembered how Dovin got blinded. Good work there.

[@skwibbleTCG]

I am just disappointed we didn't get a Chandra planeswalker card called 'Lazav with a flamethrower'.

[@theaqyrys5109]

I love lazav so much. The sheer fact of "IT WAS ME ALL ALONG"

[@Odd_Magus]

Kono D̶i̶o̶ Lazav da

[@TheGrimxcore]

Dovin just wanted things organized, as someone whose job it is to do that our our company, I sympathize with his plight.

[@SaintCreeps]

Dovin is, by far, one of my favorite planeswalkers, so it should be interesting seeing what happens next.

[@tycegreene2130]

I guess you could say Chandra and Dovin don’t Baan-d very well

[@AetherHub]

This is so terrible, it deserved the hardest thumbs up I could bring it!!!!

[@CosmicErrata]

Dovin, one of my favorites. Mah boi, you've been misled twice, but your heart is in the right place.

[@PALAD1N_005]

Thanks for all the content! I love to hear the lore behind the sets and no one does it better than you! Keep up the good work!

[@zugmabolz5207]

Dimir? I hear they run a nice bakery in the 1st district. I dont know why they'd be involved smh

[@jacobsutton1979]

Dimir, good guys? No. Best guys. 😎

[@DJROCKSTAZ]

Still doesn't make me trust them. At ALL.

[@unai49999]

@@DJROCKSTAZ counter counter murder is no trustable strategy, you usually dead on board

[@placeholdername3818]

@@DJROCKSTAZ I mean no one should. Not even the Dimit trust themselves.

[@DuckyZockt]

We’ve been tricked by Chandra‘s Triumph. Bamboozled. Outright led astray!

[@jesok3761]

Lazav the great deceiver.

[@mitchellruble5949]

Great video and editing! Definitely upped the quality for sure :)

[@fourtables2855]

I like when Wizards don’t portray events that are true to reality, like with Golden Demise representing a false memory of Vraska’s - this feels similar.

[@joef9056]

I’m new to the channel but this is very thorough lore and has quickly became my favorite channel for such. Keep up the great work👍🏻

[@cop154]

It's been a while since you posted a video mate. Haven't heard from you on Patrions either o.o. Good to know you still making them. Blinded as he is he will get his eyes back.

[@jacobdachauer4377]

I have been looking forward to some of the lore from this set. Glad to see it! Thank you.

[@neworldvicotories]

Short answer: no Slightly longer answer: no because money

[@Dustpuma1]

welcome to anything that continues for money including dbz, any shonen jump, He-MAN, it's about the sales not the story thats is also why you see reboots all the time or sequels even if they degrade the end or story. TDLR: Artists/Authors afraid to pursue and end because of money are losers.

[@humanname1458]

I love how they destroy the Immortal sun... Then saheli has to then fix it again, but yes lazav ninja mode.

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

James Bessant they didn’t destroy The Immortal Sun though. They turned it off. Because that’s apparently a thing that can be done with it.

[@humanname1458]

@@ZakanaHachihaCBC no they destroyed it and saheli stayed to fix it

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

James Bessant no, it was turned of. Chandra turned it off at New Prov when they got in conflict with Dovin.

[@BeachBumRum]

So the Dimir are ninjas now, perfect 👌

[@AetherHub]

Coincidence we got loads of ninjas in Modern Horizons?

[@mistertaz94]

I mean to be fair, Dimir are mostly assassins and spies, work that is common affiliated with ninjas.

[@placeholdername3818]

I like to think they dug around in the mind of a planeswalker that saw ninjas and said that's a good idea

[@Hastur_of_Carcosa]

Haha! So Dovin became the Most Wanted in the Multiverse... Hope to know more about him in the coming sets and lore, see how he’s coping with blindness and all

[@jesok3761]

With the new series of bond cards I wonder what's going to happen to the guild system.

[@Mrtfarrugia]

Becomes a Shard system.

[@jesok3761]

@@Mrtfarrugia but then won't it be the same as Alara.

[@thehonker8846]

Yeah or they are still going to have the guilds but they are more united than before

[@Gallagher_meme]

Glad to see you're sticking around

[@GirlPainting]

I still wonder what the final outcome of the duell between Sorin and Nehiri is.

[@lucasaugsten]

Chandra didn't think her mom was in Kaladesh, she thought she had died.

[@obesememeproductions9073]

I like Dovin, I’m glad he didn’t die

[@lukaswilliams4635]

I love the dimir, with them I don't need to play my own deck😎

[@Crusina]

can you do a video on feather and aurelia and gideon? i made a thread asking if aurelia hated feather and got a lot of interesting reaponses but i also learned that gideon changed aurelia's perspective on things during and after WAR. I think aurelias development can mean a lot lore wise.

[@fabiodamas1995]

More lore more lore more lore

[@g4m4n4t0r]

Is there any way to know what happened between Nahiri and Sorin during WotS? Great bvideo btw!

[@donb7519]

not yet but its probably gonna be one of those short stories they cut from the book

[@mikenunes8453]

Love the content.Keep it coming!!!

[@jesok3761]

I don't see how Norin the wary is such a good card.

[@mikenunes8453]

@@jesok3761 I like it in soul sisters. But I don't think it's necessarily great. I just love the flavor of a 2/1 warrior who's a total coward..

[@jesok3761]

@@mikenunes8453 if you use Boldwyr intimidator you can make anyone a coward.

[@aalsaffar89]

I was afraid you quit becuase you didn't make any video for some time. Keep going I really enjoy your channel👍

[@TrowaVidel]

The conflict with Dovaan was easily the best part of the book. when Lazav revealed himself I literally stood up from my chair and had to take a second to process it. it was such a cool moment.

[@bradenbohl1589]

It’s like he is actually just in fire handcuffs, and all of his thopters are in tiny fire handcuffs

[@alltheparksastage199]

This makes sense now

[@fifthcanuck1128]

DAMN YOU LAZAVVVVVVV

[@Cobalt_plays7422]

So now that dovin lot his sight i wonder what he'll do now?

[@Mr_Manifesto]

I love watching these lore videos! Keep up the good work!

[@ryusei4k621]

this is very informative video can't wait for the next one

[@aquareus1]

God I love Lazav

[@SilentJoe0531]

Ninja stars in the eyes is almost worse than death for Dovan especially. Brutal

[@lunotique]

I love your videos, lore is love, lore is life

[@subice121]

Do we know how the fight between Sorin and Nahiri ended in war?

[@kionashi]

nah

[@TheJamKings]

Interesting with Lazav. Cool video!

[@shikabaneconga]

why does the ral video have a voice line when he is mentioned but dovin here doesnt..one of his voice lines work so well when you mention "seeing through every flaw"

[@danh7777]

Outstanding bro!

[@dragonmatt6889]

Wow didn't know that very interesting

[@philippel.9086]

Those who always try to predict characters' action based on character development seem to forget the main difficulty in changing behaviors or personality traits: people are stubborn and the relapse. Character development doesn't mean that they can't act like their former self from time to time, but that if they do, they'll feel a great distress caused by the difference between their ideal self and their actual true self.

[@mackc3098]

YOU’RE BACK!

[@p_ink1717]

I really enjoy your video's and really like the lore.

[@Pacolo47]

Just imagine Dovin coming back un history as esper

[@liminal_entity1331]

Here's a thought: if that's actually Lazav on Chandra's Triumph, could it also be Lazav on ALL of the Triumphs? It would explain the evil-looking grins on the faces of each of the Gatewatch. It would also be within Lazav's power as well; if he could mimic one of them, why not all of them?

[@BigDumbMeRC]

You think blind dovin will still be azorius colors? Or possibly esper?

[@brandonsullivan9906]

You're vid was amazing keep the content great

[@coffeecaesar1443]

Cool to know that Chandra's Triumph was actually Lazav's Triumph, lol.

[@christhomas8185]

I love you videos I hope to see more and I always support just got you guys this year be on track from here on out

[@ravenofshadows2830]

Hey Seiben, If you happen to read this comment, I have a request. You should checkout Gen Doukeshi's KZbin channel and if you like his content then maybe you could do a collaboration together. That would be awesome. My two favorite Magic lore channels doing a video together would be freaking awesome.

[@samconsumespie1012]

It’s always the dimir (also the flamethrower is so cool)

[@ravenofshadows2830]

Hey Seiben, I have a topic for your next video and the topic is about Liliana. What happened to her after bolas was defeated. We know she survives the war and escapes but what happens to her after that? Do the gatewatch come after her ? What do you think happens next with Liliana? Love to hear your thoughts.

[@jonathanwilliams7161]

Love this story!

[@tylerlombardy240]

Amazing video. Always happy to see red “triumph” lol

[@streetwitches]

Yo long time watcher here loving the video keep up the great work And no never liked dovin never will got him as my prerelease promo

[@jorgequelas3095]

Great Video!!!

[@justinfthomas]

Love the videos

[@judefranklinguerrero2527]

I always did wonder what happened to Dovin during the War. Tbh, I’m curious about a lot of the planeswalkers post war, like did any of them stay on Ravnica and consider joining Gatewatch, did other decide to travel further into the multiverse and such. WILL HAUTLI BRING SAHEELI TO IXALAN AND MAKE A ROBO-DINO?!?!

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

Jude Franklin Guerrero the only Walker who joined the Gatewatch after the fall of Bolas was Kaya. Teyo was considering asking but, he’s a 19 year old literally just ignited Planeswalker. He doesn’t think himself the right stuff, and the remaining members of the Gatewatch where busy with the Funeral Procession of Gideon.

[@johnfench9291]

Love the videos!

[@LordJudgement1818]

For some reason i love me some dovin. i guess maybe because hes not just some rando evil baddy. Hes a deep character that is misguided but his ideals have convection an merit. He also shows that extreme Order though possibly a noble goal can be taken advantage of by powerful people and used for evil and selfish things. IE Bolas and IE authoritarian governments.

[@CrrEasy]

Chandra use to be 1 of my 2 favorite planes walkers..... But she has been replaced by Tibalt

[@johnygage1123]

No, hoping he gets another time in the light as a villain iron ark

[@gemwest]

Hmm. Didn't see that coming.

[@aunrah02]

I really hope we get to see Doven in the future. Idk, maybe a return to Ixelan? Maybe teamed up with Azor

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

Aunrah We will be seeing him again. The ending of the book has Niv task the 3 remaining Guild Member Walkers with hunting down a Walker that worked for Bolas. Ral has to real down Tezz. Kaya hunts Liliana. And Vraska has to find Dovin.

[@brenttnerves1443]

So Chandra's Triumph is actually Lazav's Triumph??

[@shikabaneconga]

wait..whats the giveaway??

[@MarcParisTV]

thank you for this story..:)

[@MegaGenguy]

I'm no prophet but i can see Dovin running into the Phyrexians and they fix him up. Not only was he about law and order but he was about perfection as well. And who else to team up with than the other beings in multiverse that are as obsessed with perfection as he is.

[@xRNGesusx]

Its official, lazav is a mall-ninja

[@Sadstitch_01]

I’ll tell her to subscribe

[@SorinMarkov-ef1yk]

I was actually kind of shocked that Lazav didn't kill Dovin. He got what he deserved, though. >:)

[@lisannastrauss4487]

I hope Dovin's okay

[@snowfox0recozay]

Hoping someone sees this but can anyone suggest good mtg lore channel.

[@blazeviper26ssgss16]

Lazav used Ninjutsu on Baan XD

[@lyschyk19]

....So basically, Chandra's Triumph isn't even Chandra's Triumph. It's Lazav's. Lazav's Triumph with a flame thrower.

[@ravenofshadows2830]

Does Chandra kill Dovin Ban ? Answer is no. He survives and planeswalk to another plane.

[@ravenofshadows2830]

I've read the novel lol.

[@savagenoble2978]

Chandra numba wan!

[@rubenlino3233]

Heck yeah

[@spiritninja5757]

Lazav’s triumph

[@olive1227]

Cool!

[@Polfor]

The Edgy Lazav Chad vs the Virgin Dovin Baan

[@cilith1]

What race is dovin?

[@ladyrose7319]

Veldaken

[@supremeverdict359]

And has 6 fingers and othe species have 4 arms

[@nicholasmahaffey6285]

I absolutely love lazav 😂

[@anarchond]

Two words: Dovin's veto

[@VFenris6184]

So...Netflix...they’re doing a MTG series. Type A for excitement, type B for worry, type f for we’re f******

[@Max-tb8vg]

Hey

[@jesok3761]

Hi.

[@sirmaterac]

Still don't think that Chandra acctually killed 2 Eldrazi titans just severe wounded them

[@TheMainManQ]

Dovin: "I've seen through your strategies and have pin pointed your weakness chandra nalaar, this is your end." Lazav: *Drops Disguise* "HAHA! UHHH I THINK THE FUCK NOT YOU TRICK ASS HOE!!! Y E E T!!" *throws shuriken into dovin's eyes* Dovin: "AAAAAAAAAH!!!" *planeswalks away*

[@luufia]

Dovin beaten by a flamethrower? Bullshit!

[@mistertaz94]

See? I told you us Dimir were trustworthy and cash money.

[@ilikemonday]

Lazav😃😃

[@ilikemonday]

Omg

[@oom-3262]

Luv u lazav

[@inferno-oq9xi]

Well then