Downhill Longboard Trucks Clinic

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This downhill truck clinic is brought to you by www.motionboardshop. com. We've highlighted some general features of DH longboard trucks and the differences between brands. We show you how to flip your hangers to change the degree of the trucks and improve stability or turning. Also, we dive into precision trucks like Bear Smokies, to show you how they're made and what you're really paying for.
Make sure you check out our other clinics on longboard wheels, carving trucks, downhill longboard decks and more. If you have more questions and you want to talk to an expert, call us today! 206.779.3272

[@kiter3000]

The 50degree Randal 180mms or the Paris 180s would both work really well. Upgrading to some venom bushings (depending on your weight, but a soft one like the 85a Standard or SuperCarve) would make a big difference as well. Venoms work particularly well with the Paris Trucks because of their deep bushing seat (like we mention in the video). The randals are great though because you can flip the hangers to change the degree so your board will ride lower to the ground and be more stable.

[@bhskipper]

50* paris in the front and a 42* prandal (paris hanger on a randal baseplate) in the back with barrel bushings top and bottom. I find that this is a great setup for carving and downhill (tons of rebound and stability.)

[@MotionBoardshop]

the evo is a good board, it is a fairly easy board to setup because of the wedging. The reccomendation that we give for the evo is Bear 52 trucks and lime big zigz

[@phabloagr]

Awesome video. Prob gonna have to watch 5 other times, but. Thanks 🙏🏽👊🏼

[@tayler0528]

wow thank you this was so helpful. I am so by bear grizzly trucks. You helped me understand how flipping the hangar works.

[@Lorijenken]

awsome thank you i just got bears 852 and i heard about the flipping, thanx for the vid on explaining how to flip the hanger for it ^,^

[@MotionBoardshop]

i would say that if you feel more comfortable on smokies they are worth the price because you gain confidence, i ride smokies and i will tell you that in corners they feel great because they are so precise, but with the same notion they are 290 so they definately should feel great in corners. i would say that if you are serious about downhill then it should be a very realistic decision that precision trucks are in your future.

[@MotionBoardshop]

@threecheerer the newest version of the 852's come with green pumpkin barrels which I think are right around 85a. If you want to upgrade bushings to eliminators, I would think some 80a eliminators would do you nicely. the 852's bushing seats really engage the bushings to their full potential, so softer durometers are generally recommended.

[@MotionBoardshop]

For a dervishw e reccomend a randal 180 on a 50* plate or paris 180's, depending on the genre of riding you will be doing.

[@MotionBoardshop]

technical sliding or freestyle? For tech sliding I like to use an independent 169, for freestyle and high angled reverse-kingpin truck will suffice. I personally like randal 50's or bear 852's (especially the new ones, with the gnarly bushing seats). Paris' are also a great choice.

[@MotionBoardshop]

we do sponsor a few people, that ride around here locally, hottsauce 808 when you flip a crail truck nothing happens to the ride height, cuz 467 the side that is more stable is when you have the flat portion, (the non sunken in side) roadside, go to 3:50 in the video and look at the bear truck, the one with the orange bushings, that is not flipped ans therefore more turny.

[@MotionBoardshop]

@STFootballTrick great cruising trucks: paris 180's, Randal RII's with 50* plates, Bear 852's. Indy 215's are pretty rad too, if you have a deck that can rock them without getting wheel bite.

[@MotionBoardshop]

The randals actually will work, just just have to sand down that little part of the drop through that's in the way. The Paris will definitely work as will Bears.

[@MotionBoardshop]

@Powerrider77 The responsiveness and turning is very dependent on the bushings. I'd recommend any of the trucks mentioned in the video with exception to crails, which tend to be much more restrictive.

[@TripD292]

@nathanieljorden I ended up getting the Bears. I love them they were exactly what I wanted I get the turning that I want and I can bomb hills with extremely loose unflipped hangers and get no speed wobbles whatsoever.

[@destructo2505]

my caliber 44's are insane and extremely stable, 80 km/h and felt like i could dance

[@LooseyEh]

I'm glad I got the randal 50degrees they're so nice for downhill and cruising

[@KealeTV]

@MotionBoardshop flipped 852's doesnt work. it will work for a while but eventually the king pin will snap. ive done it and so have 3 of my friends and its hard to find a new kingpin for 852's that is exactly like the ones it came with

[@superknight660]

I have the worst trucks for DH, something like gunmetal magnums. But i just tighten em up and ta daa. but its not stable enough but i live with it. Im gonna buy sum DH bushings, do a little tuning here and there. and hopefully it feels better :) LB 4 life

[@MotionBoardshop]

@ChillChillChilll Turning radius would be paris and bear, stability would be paris 195 and randalls

[@MotionBoardshop]

@LongB0arderGuys Randal 42's, caliber 44's, bear 840's are all cast trucks that would do you just fine for speed!

[@unowild]

Yes, exactly. Angled Risers did the same thing as this but are cheaper and have been around a lot longer. I guess if you have money to burn a new set of high dollar trucks is the way to go. Good video though, those Red ones are awesome looking. Cheers 8-]

[@MotionBoardshop]

@NikkoThePinoi Smokies' axles are mega strong. Other great brands that we carry are JimZ's and my personal favorite: Munkaes.

[@MotionBoardshop]

@TripD292 If you are going to be doing a lot of DH then I would go with the Randals. If carving is more important then go with the Bears.

[@hellsambassador666]

@MotionBoardshop It changes the castor which is how the truck feels when it turns. Due to the downward force exerted on the hangers.

[@MotionBoardshop]

i do not know either about the price of these trucks because we do not carry them in our shop, but if you need more information on the trucks you can go check out the Original website.

[@kalilzin]

nice vid man. Could you make a review about the ORIGINAL trucks? that would be very helpful!! thanx mate.

[@MotionBoardshop]

If you feel comfortable on them at speed then no one can tell you no. Paris' are generally not considered DH trucks because they have a high angled baseplate (50*) and shorten the wheel base a bit. Check out the video "downhill longboard deck clinic" for suggestions on a new deck.

[@BananaWeedTurtle]

Yea ofcourse they would be man :) You can slide on any pair of trucks, though carving into your slides does help when learning so keep your bears un-flipped and you'll have a great time; also I learnt to slide on Bear 852's so i am speaking from experience.

[@MotionBoardshop]

What is your height and weight? Flex 1 or 2? I'm 170 and love to ride the dervish fast and slidey. Randals for sure!

[@wrestlerjfagaming]

can you guys do a clinic on bushings, i dont understand exactly what they do for your riding/which ones are best for sliding etc

[@MotionBoardshop]

@hellsambassador666 obviously they don't physically change the angle of the pivot but EFFECTIVELY they do. Flipping a 42* randal is like switching from a 45* to a 39* baseplate with a non-raked hanger.

[@LesPaul4542]

What would be better for the demonseed the bear 852's flipped or some crail dh trucks. If you put the right bushing on the crails then could you still be stable and turn a bit? And would you get rail bite with them?

[@MotionBoardshop]

These are the randal RII and yes you can flip them.

[@hottsauce808]

i just got a pair of Crails, and i have double venom barrels in the front, and a double yellow eliminator in the back. i was wondering if there would be a better setup that will still be stable but turn as well. im 190 pounds, and i have them drop thru on a demonseed.

[@jellyman570]

I'm going to get a tan tien but I don't know whether to chose Paris 180s or randalls, I'm pretty much going to be doing a lot of cruising and downhill and I want to learn how to slide and carve

[@MotionBoardshop]

@kirdro Definitely 10mm bears. The larger axles give you more strength to prevent bending. Larger wheels give you more leverage over the weakest part of and may cause it to bend.

[@MotionBoardshop]

You can just keep the bushings the same way as they were, only flip the hanger. what kind of trucks will you be using? only works on some kinds of trucks

[@derekio137]

I have a board that is perfect for speed, but still want to be able to carve well. i was thinkin of the Crail. how well does it it carve compared to the others

[@MotionBoardshop]

All cast trucks are prone to bending, but from our experience the radals are least prone to bending.

[@MotionBoardshop]

@iamaflyingsquirrel Very low with a nice turn. If you get them you've got to make sure that your board has some cut outs or you are guaranteed to get wheel bite.

[@MotionBoardshop]

@Tobybbrown lots of people like paris for downhill it's all preference. try them all out and see what feels best.

[@MotionBoardshop]

@laxinitup62 Calibers come in 50* as well as 44* so they can be setup to turn more or less than randals and paris.

[@xjord187x]

for slide,carving & little downhill, what you think about : randall rII 50 degree or paris 50 degree.. thanks.

[@Panda7795]

What would be the best Downhill trucks for a landyachtz Chinook? I don't know weather to get bear 840s caliber 43s or maybe another truck thats out there? I will get whatever bushings I need to :D

[@crazydoeboy]

Which is better?? bear grizzly trucks or paris 180

[@mooseknee12]

i've been thinking about getting a downhill board for quite some time, and has always leaned towards the Landyachtz evo, but i never really knew what would be a good truck and bushings, to make the ride really stable, but yet with some turn. Any suggestions?

[@MotionBoardshop]

I find 39 degrees to be too low of an angle for carving. For carving hard you generally want a truck that is greater than 45*. I assume you are talking about your 42* randals than? Try switching out your bushings. Bushings make a huge difference on how a truck responds.

[@MotionBoardshop]

@SectorSun RII's and Paris 180's will both be great.

[@SoldierSide36]

I cant decide between paris or randal for freeride, right now im riding chargers with venom bushings but they just don't feel stable at higher speeds. What will give me more stability without sacrificing carve ability? thanks!

[@skyking166]

@pkdukesnides1 yes sir, i hit about 35-40 today, good idea to have some 90a barrel at least on board side or something tho (at least 90a barrel works well for me and my 165lb friend). I hit 35-40 with 80a conical roadside and 86a barrel board side, not exactly a downhill setup, but it works fine up to 35-40. I got 1 wobble today from about 35, but that's mainly my fault for coming backup too fast after a toe side hand down turn = too much weight into my backfoot = wooble = road rash..

[@not4useofidiots]

@extremekiwi28 yeah it will work fine. i think it would be 45 degrees and 39 degrees. and don't forget the shock pards

[@MotionBoardshop]

the vanguard would be better with paris trucks on it if you are primarily looking for pumping and hard carving.

[@a13x1415]

so im getting an earthwing supermodel, and i am trying to find a good set up, im a bit of a larger rider, i was looking at sabre trucks and possibly the o tang stims, i am still kind of new to longboarding, i just learned my first slide. so any advice anyone can offer would be much appreciated

[@TheFtFCinema]

I'm getting another kracked skulls scimitar 42inch probably. what set of trucks would you recommend for just downhill speed.

[@RawrThinkFast]

For a loaded vanguard, and my style being hard carving and pumping, not like any bombing hills or anything, what would you say, paris 180mm or randal 180mm (also with o-tangs)

[@Sliker45]

For every one who has been asking about which trucks to get for down hill so they don't have to worry about speed wobbles this is My answer, you are all ways at risk of speed wobbles, no matter what, but if you practice your speed tuck you need not worry as much, but if you guys are really all for huge hill bombing, you should buy a truck with a lower angle, which means it will be harder to turn but you will be less likely to get speed wobbles.

[@SickRider24]

Can u please do a review on the SABRE 190mm 45degree trucks please. thanks. Also i was wondering if they would be a good freeride truck or a good downhill truck.

[@Tareqiolous]

I am planning to get The Switch deck, Pink powerballz or Zombie hawgs, Bear Grizzly trucks 181mm, Bones super red bearings 76mm 82a. And I like sliding, free riding and going downhill. Do u think its a good set up?

[@hottsauce808]

i have crail DH trucks and i was wondering how much the degrees change when u flip them or if they change at all. thankx.

[@TheCimosabi]

@ZakTizzy they are awsome, but you cant use bones bearings or other 8mm bearings, they call for 10mm bearings which arent as fast, if you want to use 8mm bearings, i would recommend munkae trucks

[@juliothedrummer]

Why did you'll not talk about aera trucks, there are like no videos online that talk about them, i would love to see a good one

[@MotionBoardshop]

randall DH's come stock with a 35* plate. If you want a 60* plate you have to buy the Comp II 60*, which would be a ridiculous setup, especially with the 160mm of the DH hanger. I wouldn't call it a randal dh anymore.

[@NikkoThePinoi]

what do you guys recommend on good reliable precision trucks i heard the smokies' axles bend easily and i like magun trucks but they r pretty expensive around 550 is a little too much so what are some reliable trucks that's price range is near or less that of the smokies?

[@MotionBoardshop]

@orrymannen They work well for DH when flipped. They won't be as stable as a lower angle plate, but they are better than when unflipped.

[@kirdro]

What kind of truck would you recommend for larger wheels like 81mm? I'm using it for mostly campus cruising and I got the bigger wheels for rolling over the really bad sidewalks and roads around my campus.

[@Fortune2point0]

@extremekiwi28 They'd work fine, and the angle doesn't change when flipping any truck, it just changes the leverage over the bushings.

[@pyscobrand]

What trucks would you recommend that is affordable and is great for flat land riding and carving.

[@MotionBoardshop]

@topvids1234 I would slap on any 50* truck really. Calibers, bear grizzlies, paris, randal. You name it.

[@sk8skiboard3]

when freeriding, light bombing, and carving... would it be better to have a randal rII 180 with a 50* plate and i could flip it.... or have a 42* plate and leave normal... my deck is the tan tien

[@MotionBoardshop]

@MountainTopBoards "flipping you paris hanger is not very good. sure it is lower, but it really isnt good for the truck. it has an offset bushing seat, so when flipped it has a larger space between the plate and the seat. in order to aline it, you have to shim the bushing, or just crank the pivot into the wrong spot. it really isnt designed to flip. you can do it, but it isnt good for it. i wouldnt." quoted

[@MotionBoardshop]

@JMLizardKing1971 yes that set up will be good for down hill

[@MotionBoardshop]

Not sure about the originals, they're not a truck we carry here. I would have to see the baseplate to know for sure. we ship for free though if you want paris/randal/bear/gullwing/crails or bennets 206.372.5268

[@MotionBoardshop]

@davidzzz94 It'll be more stable for sure. Stability is far more dependent on the rider then on the angle of your trucks. If you feel stable at 47*, fantastic. If you need a lower angle to feel stable, then go with a 40 degree plate.

[@skyking166]

i hear bear give good stability and turn even with 52 degree base plate, can you inform us about that? how does it compare to randal?

[@extremekiwi28]

do you think a 42 degree randal 180 would work well on a drop thru killswitch? also how many degrees is the truck changed when is is flipped?

[@Andryanshivs]

Hello. im in need of help right now. i have a sector 9 tree barrel longboard. it is a dropthrough deck. first question is, can all trucks be used for drop through? or can you only use specific trucks? and would randal 180/42 degrees be good for carving and bombing and everything pretty much. and what do bushings do? im kind of new to longboarding :) thanks for help!

[@Dpett122]

I'm riding a Rayne Avenger downhill and sliding but I also use it to commute in the city. Any suggestions for trucks?

[@MiNameIsMartin]

Hey (: what do youguys think of Sabre trucks? I was thinking maybe getting some for my Nemesis that I'll be getting soon :D

[@pivotguyninjaness]

are you looking for big slides or lots of little quick spin tricks?

[@simonsays163]

if you flip them, does that mean you have to like switch the bushings or w/e inside? I'm new to the idea of flipping hangers.

[@cuzz467]

on the grizzlies the side that is deeper is better for speed right!!.because in this vid when you did the whole flipping thing.you changed it around and when you put it on it didt show which side was flipped

[@iiTurtlez]

I understand that trucks don't really matter when it comes to sliding, however, what do you recommend for a Drop-through Board for maximum sliding capabilities?

[@TwoLongboarders]

im getting a comet grease shark for my dh board and on it would u recommend i put on the bear hybrid 30 degree trucks and biggie hawgs wheels? (would the trucks be good for dh)?

[@MotionBoardshop]

@SwitchDurianParis Landy Chinnok Bear 840 Your current wheels of a 80a 75mmish wheel like a Monster Hawg 78a or 80a

[@MotionBoardshop]

@RejectSkateboarding Going with cast it would be 42 degree randals hands down, and maybe flipped bear 852s

[@threecheerer]

what's the duro on those stock grizzly bushings? i weigh no more than 120 lbs, am about 5'6 - 5'7, and i'm planning to put the 852s on a LBL sea calf. and i want to set the trucks up so that they're somewhat carvy, but stable for hill bombing too. should i change the bushings? i'm thinking of venom elims, but i dont know which duro/ duro combination. thanks.

[@thisdirectsky]

@davidzzz94 you can flip randals. Maybe paris' too, not sure though.

[@MotionBoardshop]

@LifeOfConnor Yes they do! This video is 3 years old!

[@TripD292]

Hey I'm looking into getting new trucks and I'm stuck between the randal 42's and the new bear grizzly's 2010. I'm looking for a truck that is really stable going at high speeds and also turn really well and is really responsive. I'm used to Original trucks so I don't like trucks that don't don't turn well. I'm going to be doing a lot of downhill with these trucks. Which trucks do you think would be the best for me?

[@NickS772]

are smokeys worth the price? im working on puttin together a topmount strictly dh setup and i like the idea of smokeys because there lower but thats alot of money...

[@Nodxchi]

can you guys make an updated video of downhill trucks

[@LarryTry]

Which is the best carving truck you have?

[@TheCimosabi]

@ZakTizzy crails are nice, not as nice as the munkae's but nice, the crails will actually turn more than the munkae's because they have a 45 degree baseplate and the munkae's have 42.25 degree baseplates. also, bushings will work almost the same on every truck, i recommend venom downhill bushings 85a road side 90a board side

[@threecheerer]

hey, just wanted to ask how the bear 1040's response is when set up with soft bushings. i was planning on setting it up with venom 85a elim bottom, venom 83a barrel top for DH. i am 123 lbs. thanks.

[@tajypops123]

never stock bushings, although the caliber ones are not bad at all.

[@backsidefrontside1]

I have an earthwing carbon belly raqcer and i am wondering if 44 cals are too risky for wheelbite. should i just go with the 50 cals

[@MotionBoardshop]

@trxjab It totally depends on your own stability and technique.

[@itsvictorrivera]

@nirvana50325 in my opinion, the Original S8 trucks. They handle everything, carving, sliding, downhill most of the time. Hope this help :)

[@thebeastisback1996]

are their any cast trucks with all the sextra bearings in the pivot cup and for the bushing? so like a $120-$160???