Doyle's BFF Nathaniel Can't Get a Date

[@SystematicChaos713]

I love how these "traditionalists" have no idea about the traditions they're trying to preserve. Back in the 1930s, "playing the field" was the most common mode of dating among young people in America, and "going steady" didn't start to become popular until the 1940s. In those days, dating was much more of a casual affair where you'd get to know lots of different people and see who you clicked with, with fairly low levels of commitment and intimacy (since the sexual revolution hadn't happened yet), and even when going steady became popular, often people would still play the field for a bit before going steady with someone. In fact, the high-necked puritans of the day were clutching their pearls over kids "going steady" because the higher level of commitment would lead to sex, and some parents would impose rules on their children not to date the same person twice in a row. The "courtship" model, or as this incel calls it, "dating with marriage in mind," was never the dominant mode of dating in America for as long as dating has been a thing (which is not long, to be fair). It's a reactionary model that didn't emerge until after the sexual revolution, and demands both high commitment and no intimacy, which is a balance that we as humans don't naturally keep, and therefore is setting people up for failure. The level of commitment in courtship relationships is far higher than how "going steady" usually was, and the pearl-clutchers of the 40s and 50s would have fainted at the idea. TL;DR: Hookup culture *is* the return to tradition

[@TheCrippledEgg]

This guy is trying so hard to appear hip and down-with-the-kids. “Sexual degeneracy equals posting cringe and will get you banned from Minecraft. Those are things the young folk are enamoured with, right?”

[@benburke3015]

Do all of John's friends talk like boomers (and fascists) trying way too hard to appeal to zoomers? I guess if it works for John, anyone can do it.

[@anisioc.3426]

At least he isn’t trying to use the word “cope” every five sentences like Doyle. Yet.

[@21forevergone]

Gen Z and millenial boomers are degenerate... CHANGE MY MIND

[@videogamenostalgia]

[generic xylophone and guitar music plays] Hey fellow hip n' cool young persons, and most epic memers! [flosses] How about them degenerates and foreigners and other lame-o minorities? [does a roman salute] Maybe we should *do something* about them, huh? [does a quick do-si-do] Who's with me? [dabs] Also shout-out to Dennis Prager and big oil, the coolest hippest cats on the planet [takes out fidget spinner with 'blood and soil' written on it and spins it].

[@mistorWhiskers]

Are 90s skateboard shirts hip with kids? Damn, I should have held on to mine.

[@theleftywhoknocks4051]

I promise John's friend could pick up women. He's in every category we "rate" is better than me. Younger. Better shape. Most likely better endowed. Taller. Im a 5 7 fat Mexican. I sleep with 2 women in my bed. There is 0 excuse. Just be...not awful

[@vylbird8014]

But what if the person *is* awful?

[@coletrickle1775]

I've always been overweight. Has never hindered me. Just be a genuine person with a little humility and confidence. Is it really that hard? This Doyle clone is definitely better looking than me, but every woman on thunder planet would run to me if the options were me or him. I had a best friend who was a sexy man, but he knew it and gave no effort. He was like the advertisement, but I ended up being the product, if you follow my nonsense lol.

[@coletrickle1775]

@@vylbird8014 Then they're limited to the people that are also terrible. There are fewer terrible women than men.

[@theleftywhoknocks4051]

@@coletrickle1775 I joke an old roommate was the perfect male specimen. The square Jaw. Good shape. Tall. Hadn't had a woman in almost 5 years since I met him. Would joke that it was his "foot personality"

[@theleftywhoknocks4051]

@@vylbird8014 I mean thats the joke. Is that no amount of "better looking" ...ridiculous as that is...will actually help you when your personality is wretched

[@Basteal]

'They used science, that was their first mistake!' This is what's known as an over-grift, or hypergrift. A grift that is so grifty, no one is fooled. The grifter is then left penniless and shamed.

[@fcoomega7734]

It can only grift the grifter himself

[@jscythe74]

John Doyle's boyfriend still counts as John Doyle.

[@Blakbox92]

He's an appendage of the Doyle.

[@feistygheisty]

John Doyles reproduce asexually by budding. They form a Doyle cluster known as a 'cringe'. You can tell how many Doyles are in a cringe by counting the number of rectangular glasses.

[@coletrickle1775]

@@feistygheisty This is a masterpiece

[@benburke3015]

If this dude genuinely thinks sex out of marriage is "degenerate", he's in for a shock when he discovers The Borgias is based on real historical events lmao.

[@pyxeeful]

This guy's head would just explode if ever cracked an actual history book.

[@tonybarnett9813]

Why does his background look like it belongs on a Fine Bros React series?

[@saininj]

"INCELS REACT TO...DEGENERACY"

[@mt-zf6xp]

The wet floor sign is a curious addition ...

[@kaygratv]

What a surreal thing, hearing the terms of meme culture used in such a context.

[@Moredakkamus]

I enjoy a good meme a much as the next guy, but these trump dweebs eat, sleep and breath them.

[@nobo1982]

Meme culture is all about the removal of depth and subtlety from the expression of ideas and conservatives have mastered it to kill debate in the public square.

[@Snorlaxx64]

Word.

[@lowpolyzoe]

"cringe culture" tends to feed into reactionary beliefs

[@MechanicalPencilGirl]

Why do these single youtube males with no world experience think relationships are so cut & paste simple.

[@kaistevens6689]

Meet girl Like girl Baby Live Die

[@vxicepickxv]

Well, in this guy's case, it's because he's got some fash thoughts going on.

[@videogamenostalgia]

You kind of answered your own question there...

[@coletrickle1775]

@@videogamenostalgia Damn, beat me to it.

[@andrewreiter5664]

I literally just watched Thought Slimes vid about how an argument against degeneracy is illogical. Evolutionary it's good to diverge from the normal to avoid stagnation and it's impossible to return to the past point without adopting the 'degenerate' elements from those times. Maybe I'm miss repeating, but watch his video after you watch all of Jake's.

[@aldohernandez3916]

This guy aint cool enough to steal a caution sign; that shit looks new and store bought.

[@KestrelDC]

I can just imagine him running off with that wet floor sign giggling like mad to himself while all the employees and manager and such at the establishment it's from just kinda watch him go in sheer confusion, wondering wtf he's doing. Not even trying to stop him, just being baffled.

[@camerabox1]

i've worked at those places, we'd say something at the very least and mostly just hope they stopped. I don't make enough for that

[@seansteele6532]

As that wet floor sign is fucking immaculate I’m almost certain he bought it himself but I bet he tells people that he stole it.

[@n0etic_f0x]

So as a furry... I am literally destructive to this man's world veiw.

[@yungeyez75]

You and me both. Bisexual,furry, and in a happy open relationship for 2 years. The mans worst nightmare :-}

[@maddyc2412]

I love it when guys try and tell me how bad birth control is for me. I take it for the excruciating pain and nausea I have every month and its amazing. But I guess that makes me a degenerate.

[@TamaCinema69]

The “41% of first marriages fail” statistic reveals a lot of preconceptions, like, that also means 59% of first marriages are successful, which is a pretty good statistic rather than a world ending one.

[@toericabaker]

good point fellow baker

[@bernebelmont1857]

yeah that IS the majority nice

[@azrael_hypo]

of course, the metric for success is probably just that the couple stay together, which often isn't a good thing

[@JennFaeAge]

Man sat whining about not being able to get a date unironically claims everyone else is acting like children...

[@ari_anon2228]

i love how this guy talks about relationships like life is a fucking abo fanfic. “pairbonding” LMAOO

[@Ragnar19999]

"They tried to do science and make something new, first mistake" this dude unironically sounds like the adeptus mechanicus from warhammer 40k.

[@dadbodenvy4247]

It's like they don't understand 40k is a dystopia

[@kr00m]

He’s so ignorant, as if monogamous couples don’t make use of contraception. I guess me and my partner made the mistake of not getting his permission not to procreate.

[@packattack9741]

He looks like John Oliver if John Oliver were a fascist

[@ShinGallon]

When you order John Doyle off of Wish...

[@KestrelDC]

LMAO when he compares Twitter to Angry Birds, he immediately goes "don't think too deeply into that metaphor" because he has no real metaphor and he knows it lmao.

[@thisperson3787]

Did he forget diaphragms?

[@will.2155]

You can get hurt rock climbing... It’s why you wear the fucking harness

[@ericbiggz7004]

I love that this guy & Jon both teen age virgins who don't even wake it like sociopaths probably never even kissed a girl have the dunning-kruger audacity to claim Authority on relationships sexuality or really anything .

[@dragoniraflameblade]

Wow, there's more use for birth control, John's Friend. Lessening the frequency of periods (especially if you're at risk of anemia or cervical cancer). Not to mention how women STILL aren't in full control of their bodies and can be blocked off from medical needs without legal protection.

[@polarbearzonthemoon]

He says "though it history there was no birth control" actually various cultures all throughout time have had forms of contraception and birth control. Some may not have been that good but it's what they had. (Sea sponges, crocodile dung, sheep intestine, parsley, black cohosh ect.) Humans have been trying to control pregnancy always (1950s hormonal BC is just a new way)

[@someonerandom8552]

Omg thank you! That bit made me face palm. Humans using birth control is literally as old as human civilisation. I think the earliest records are from Ancient Egypt if I’m not mistaken. Like not only does this guy not understand human relationships or sexuality, he’s also ignorant of history in general.

[@marocat4749]

Herb witches or wise women wer always sought for herbs that, help abort and prevent pregnancies. Just the pill made it much safer and less experimental. Was anal one of them? There was for sure a variety.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

@@someonerandom8552 I think some pharaohs were buried with condoms.

[@someonerandom8552]

@@NieroshaiTheSable Hey man, gotta have protection for the afterlife 🤷‍♀️

[@Rawr1752]

I've never quite understood the necessity that if you marry, you _have_ to stay together. If it happens, it happens, sure. But like, there are so many factors, and changing circumstances, and things I don't even have the wherewithal to think about in my situation. Things change, and not everyone has the same needs, nor can they provide the same things. Sometimes people moved way too fast, etc. etc. etc. I still have fairly high opinions of marriage, I personally think its a wonderful thing, but like, it doesn't need to have the societal weight that it does, nor the hyper binding principles behind it.

[@vylbird8014]

History. Remember that reliable contraception for the masses only became available in the 1960s, and even then it faced tremendous social opposition. Prior to that, marriage meant sex and sex meant children - which was a good reason for that marriage to be fixed long-term. Something that has been worked out since ancient times. Life expectancy was also rather a lot shorter. Social attitudes have lagged behind the practical circumstances.

[@ari_anon2228]

@@vylbird8014 id say life expectancies and lack of women’s agency is basically the biggest reason why. nowadays, people can be married for up to 70-80 years, and people change SO much in even just 5 or 10 years, so like, of course people grow apart

[@raydgreenwald7788]

@@ari_anon2228 used to work in a nursing home, even for married couples there is so much swinging. I actually told the director we should provide condoms, she didn’t like that.....

[@lactofermentation]

That sign would only be redeemable if it had a Cardi B picture next to it.

[@mistorWhiskers]

The edginess has really cooled down if stealing road signs has been replaced by custodial supplies you have the option to buy at home depot

[@raydgreenwald7788]

My guess is that he bought it from Home Depot

[@stefanlvkc7986]

Jesus, there are two of these cringe lords now? How the F#$% do they have no self awareness at this point? As to his advocacy for arranged marriages, I have see that in my wife's family and that is a HARD PASS from me on that BS.

[@thecircledk8597]

This Nathaniel Abbott seems to have started his channel as a way to approach girls and ask them dumb ass questions on video...and seems to have a certain type which is "short shorts and tight tops" and THAT is who he wants to "talk politics with" :O !!

[@seansteele6532]

Maybe part of his problem is all three dates are to Denny’s

[@Kermit-The-Smaug]

I bet he stole that wet floor sign from the subway John Doyle worked at.

[@SinthiaVicious]

That haircut is all the birth control he will ever need.

[@kindtimetraveler]

That upper lip fuzz he likely calls a mustache IS a form of birth control.

[@cogober]

Who would've thought that being a misogynist would make it hard to relate women

[@someonerandom8552]

Umm birth control literally dates back to the Ancient Egyptians. If anything the pill is technically upholding longstanding tradition 🤷🏼‍♀️ Also birth control pills are used as actual medication. To control menstruation issues as well as other reproductive issues.

[@frostyfrenchtoast]

His wall color is the bane of my existence

[@will.2155]

I kinda like it... :(

[@GHOSTPLANEtable]

"In a culture where women dont have choices turns out they dont make any" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ConejoZing]

Notice how he went out of his way to nail the Caution despite the perfectly straight up uke in the background. He's just mad he can't find the ATM basically.

[@raydgreenwald7788]

Fuck I’ve watched too much anime, it took me too long to realize you were talking about the ukulele

[@cerebralisk]

I disagree, I think he purchased that caution sign and then CLAIMS he stole it. My evidence is that a quick amazon search suggests that specific design is the cheapest one available.

[@MechanicalPencilGirl]

I was going to say he got it on Amazon.

[@McPlatypus]

Yeah, it's too pristine to have been used for any length of time as well.

[@TheMillenniumWitch]

Thank you so much for the save at the end there. I did NOT feel like hearing a white supremacist ukulele song.

[@BESH_the_great]

Damn def noodles channel has changed a lot since I last watched

[@k2a2l2]

this dude is not allowed to call things cringe

[@romainsavioz5466]

Doyle has a boyfriend I mean a BFF ?

[@MyHairyRoommates]

Watching Nathaniel gave me brains worms. How little he understands about sex, sexual health, history, women, men... I'm surprised he can dress himself. Thanks Jake, 10/10.

[@Amadeus-ni3et]

Divorce rate has been around the same since the 80s

[@muswaldSunny]

In HS my now BFF moved from WI. I will never forget her saying 'box' for the first time. I live in MO so, I hadn't really heard a northern inflection before. This guy saying 'modern' gave me a much needed wave of nostalgia. That positive energy might just save my whole day 😅

[@donnylurch4207]

John and Nathaniel both exude "I was bullied into being like this by my dad/brother/4chan due to insecurity and lack of irl friends" energy.

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

Hearing these terms like "deemed to be cringe" and "banned from the minecraft server" are incomprehensibly gross when we're talking about this stuff. People were fucking executed for this and these slimeballs genuinely want society to revert to that era, because they're too incompetent to find success in a _(relatively)_ free society.

[@jorgeguimaraes8820]

1 in 5 statistics: yeah, just like rolling a die... you know, those 5 sided cubes

[@ryanerickson3063]

I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that Doyle's BFF here is worth listening to.

[@justjack1352]

I got this guy randomly recommended to me the other week. Took me about a minute to see the similarities between him and Doyle.

[@natrixxvision6997]

“Who ordered the hamburger with AIDS?”

[@inanimatecarbongod]

6:42 For a lot of people, American history *is* "human history". If a thing didn't happen in America, it didn't happen at all.

[@ericbiggz7004]

John Doyle is probably the next Ted Haggard .

[@ianperry8557]

Totally haven’t had birth control since ancient humanity lmfao

[@ih8google]

Do all the men in Doyle’s town look like Mclovin? These guys think they’re all the apex of masculinity too lulz

[@videogamenostalgia]

Don't do McLovin dirty like that

[@ghoulishtoad]

At least McLovin was cool

[@mynameis8211]

I was unaware actual relationships went extinct. Well damn.

[@lactofermentation]

STI antibiotic resistance is a major emerging problem though. Especially when the infections are misdiagnosed or the person has minimal to no symptoms. That's why it's a good idea to get tested regularly, use barrier protection, and not cheat on your partner. Keep that shit from spreading more and ruining it for everyone.

[@millennialanimefan608]

One thing I hate about abstinence-only advocacy groups is it's heavily targeted towards women and how the responsibility is on them. And how they treat marriage as something that will fix all your relationship problems.

[@vidhead85]

This guy sounds like he just heard a bunch of buzzwords and then regurgitated them back to us

[@jgs1122]

So women didn't terminate pregnancies before the 1950s?

[@bananewane1402]

The very premise of his video is just wrong. Yes there are more options today, more socially acceptable relationship types. That doesn’t mean you can’t find a serious relationship anymore! There will always be people interested in that. Your way has been the standard for so long and is still the most widely accepted way of being romantic/sexual. No need to be threatened by other ideas and ways.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

Yeah, he ignores the fact that a huge portion of people date to find that person that clicks. It's not all one night stands.

[@molono1451]

did any of you see that one episode of glee that was about STIs that episode was something else

[@ianrusttattoos]

"Chemically bonded" Uh...🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@molono1451]

I really feel like open relationships are the most normal way to do things. Humans have the ability to have lifelong relationships, but many people cheat and even more people would have multiple partners at any given time if it wasn't considered a bad thing

[@SweaterWearingaTree]

Nah he bought the caution sign to make it look like he stole it

[@tubian323]

Is it bad that I want to see the realities of life wipe the smug assuredness of Nathaniel's face?

[@coletrickle1775]

John Doyle's crush is in the show.

[@redactedvt7873]

He was probably part of “the boys 🥶🥵💯💯” or he still is

[@sweetsirenaine]

I'm not particularly promiscuous but I've still had several STIs. When you're a lazy fuck (literally) and AFAB it's really easy to get UTIs, turns out! Hasn't exactly happened since I was a teen but yeah, it's way more common than people think.

[@JamesBuggemo]

There are a few basic things that you actually can control, which in fact contribute directly to finding someone who is willing to touch your junk: 1. Regular bathing 2. Wearing clean clothes 3. Shaving any facial hair which can be even loosely described as molestor-esque 4. Having a Non-Repellant personality

[@blacxthornE]

Who knew one of the Tsarnaev brothers was making videos on KZbin?

[@yungeyez75]

When are we going to find out that Jon and Co are just super into chastity play.

[@robertvaughn9448]

Solomon was a playa. This guy guy could definitely get with girls if he wasn't friends with John Doyle

[@CRSB00]

and he got it from his papa

[@bennimarru]

taking pills? that's cringe bro. just go back in time and get born with a better immune system

[@kindtimetraveler]

Jake, from one pet lover to another...get a lint roller!!!!!!! 😏

[@HalfBackCrack]

People that dont get laid have the worst takes on getting laid.

[@molono1451]

Don't we just love fucking away our feels

[@molono1451]

I'm actually anti waiting until marriage, but unlike people who want other people to wait until marriage, I don't want to legislate people to have to do it before marriage even though I think it would improve their sex life. Honestly, I think if you get some experience beforehand and then when you're ready to start looking into long term relationships you talk to them to make sure it will work and then don't have sex until you get married, that would make some more sense but you shouldn't be so scared of failing before getting married that you get married just to have sex.

[@xrinti]

This guy is John Doyle without the scintillating personality.

[@oMaJoJ]

Whose child is this? This child sounds like his only life experiences are hanging out in conservative/reactionary circles, with quite a bit of that being on the internet. Hell, even if he stays the same reactionary type, he is probably going to cringe at this video in 5 years. I honestly hope this is a parody and everybody was baited.

[@grantberk]

His shirt ruined alien workshop for me

[@molono1451]

I feel like this guy probably thinks that birth control is only used to control pregnancy but I use it to control my periods because my mom insisted that they were too heavy and going to affect my health, I was completely fine but it's nice knowing when my period is coming because it comes only when I'm not taking the pills My sister's periods require super plus tampons but my sister refuses to take any medicine of any kind so when she went vegetarian she literally couldn't walk without collapsing because her iron levels were so low, iron supplements help her in this respect but it's still annoying that she won't take the birth control because it would make her life so much easier, as well as anxiety medication. She had mild anxiety before quarantine but during quarantine it has gotten a lot worse. Fortunately in this respect therapy and natural medicines have been able to help her some, it just doesn't make sense to me that she doesn't really take care of her health any other time except when it comes to medicine

[@kropotkinnie]

one of the saddest things about a lot of incels is that they let their own community convince them they're physically ugly and their interests + features aren't worthy of loving; most incels i've seen are perfectly good looking and likely have met several people who did want to love and appreciate them, only to run from those people convinced by their own ingroup that they'll never be worth anyone's affection. incels make me sad, man.

[@PossumBuddy420]

Imagine posting cringe and then accusing others of posting cringe

[@eclap03]

i’m around they’re age an a girl. it’s so unfortunate their beliefs are so disgusting because they’re not ugly and i can assure you that girls would be into them if it weren’t for that

[@Eldrad12]

Why are you taking your dates to Dennys. Like once in awhile, it's late, sure. But 3 times? Treat your partner with some respect and take them some place nice.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

Some of us under capitalism don't have the money for "nice." For some of us Denny's IS nice and on a casual date it's, like, Subway. Sad? Fight for better wages. You shouldn't have to break yourself to impress someone.

[@Eldrad12]

@@NieroshaiTheSable My argument is more on what he considers hook up culture. His specific statement is that all you have to do is take someone to Denny's 3 times to get laid, which to me, seems like he doesn't hold a lot of value in dating as I don't hold Denny's as somewhere I'd take someone if I was going out on a date. At least, not in the beginning of a relationship. Instead of jumping up my ass about fighting for better wages, try to understand the context of the argument I'm making. This isn't an argument about better wages (which I do fight for where I can. I'm part of a labor union that does just that), but rather his sad commentary on "hook up culture". If Denny's or Subway is your jam or all you can afford, have at it. Or do a home cooked meal. Whatever works, just don't be getting upset cause of what some sarcastic asshole like me says on a video.

[@molono1451]

My spanish teacher last year had nose herpes that she got from her roommate and she kept touching her nose and I was so scared I would get it when she was handing us papers She also was a liberal that married a republican and she talked shit about his politics like babe why did you marry him if you don't agree with his morals

[@KainMalice]

Having a baby with someone doesnt chemically bond you to that person...

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

I'm as closely bonded to someone I play D&D with as I ever was with my ex I dated for 7 years. Sexual chemicals may encourage bonding, but idiots like Discount Doyle seem to think screwing superglues your souls together.

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

The idea that people like him are against birth control is so scary to me. They want to force women to give birth, it's horrifying.

[@singularity___]

Oh god 40 minutes here we go again

[@marbled31]

John Doyle and his friend definitely Dutch Rudder each other.

[@vortigaunt3013]

Trans men can top 40 times in a day.

[@robertjosephjean4975]

Birth control did not lead to Aids. Dieting led to aids. Although back in my day (I'm a Boomer) it was called Ayds and it was caused by a diet candy. This is why I'm a fat bastard. Old, too. Now listen to me you young whipper-snappers, back in my day......ZZzzzz.

[@GothBunny6669]

I’m offended, as I myself am cringe and degenerate.

[@Castycast]

It's amazing how much conservatives have the stones to say without doing any research