Dr. Darren Staloff, Presocratics: Ionian Speculation and Eliatic Metaphysics

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After nearly a 1 year hiatus from posting, we have teamed up with Dr. Sugrue's colleague and long-time friend Darren Staloff. These lectures are from the same "Great Minds" series produced by The Teaching Company and are delivered by an equally learned lecturer. We hope you will enjoy, and thank you to Dr. Staloff for joining us on this channel.
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[@georgebyrne3925]

To borrow from Heraclitus, no man can view these lectures twice, for having viewed them once, he's no longer the same man.

[@Star-yz2rn]

To borrow from Jefferson, to view them twice, makes man guilty of failures of the head, but not the heart.

[@LostSoulAscension]

To borrow from myself, I can view these lectures as many times I like and not feel bad about not memorizing or understanding everything the first time. Whether I've changed since the first viewing makes no mockery in revisiting material. Why let change stop us when change is unstoppable? P.S. totally kidding about the "to borrow from myself part."

[@WforWrath]

lmao

[@cheri238]

🙏❤️🌎🕊🎵🎶🌄

[@mountainjay]

To borrow from Dumb and Dumber, I entirely forgot this quote, like a fart in the wind, it is gone forever- soon to return.

[@sonofJurell]

I came to mock his attire. I stayed for the knowledge. Awesome stuff.

[@sorushan]

He is the product of an era when students used to read the main texts instead of 43rd edition of textbooks( 43 times commission for the prof!) and searching keywords on Google and the like!

[@ok-kk3ic]

As a college student, this comment is eye-opening. There is a major difference.

[@GTORT]

That's what happens when captialism goes unchecked.

[@zootjitsu6767]

I am the type to get it from chat gpt

[@cheri238]

​@@zootjitsu6767 Lol❤

[@cfaibah]

@@GTORT It's more like what happens when we are unlucky to be born into the nightmare of egalitarianism

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

The sheer passion for his subject matter is enthralling. It is fantastic. I wonder if one could apply the idea of "pre-socratic" spectulation as to how a child asks the most straight to the bone questions of *how* and *why* that eternal curiosity that defies cultural orders of thought. Darren Staloff is a great exponent of ideas.

[@kaimarmalade9660]

This is everything. It's the Happy Science. Ask why forever.

[@lordcoreon]

Hooray more lectures! I wish I had teachers like this when I was in school.

[@Gorboduc]

Whenever my teachers were on the brink of becoming interesting, they'd stop in their tracks and say "Well, I don't want to lecture you", then they'd make us do group activities, smdh.

[@missenigma1994]

Who ever is uploading these, thank you fir being alive. These videos are basically the thing that keeps me going. So, again, thank you so very much ❤️

[@Jose-ur7jz]

Same

[@Gorboduc]

You might like Leonard Piekoff's history of philosophy course. He's biased but he lets you know it lol. There's also courses by Hubert Dreyfus and John Searle.

[@Gorboduc]

And Bryan Magee's TV show!

[@missenigma1994]

@@Gorboduc I'll make sure to check them out, thank you.

[@justchillin5373]

And bobby lee does good work as well.

[@JohnJones-ur4jp]

I wish I had a channel like this when I was going to school many years ago. I am looking forward to more of Dr. Staloff's lectures to be added to Dr. Sugrue's. They make a potent team! Thank you so much.

[@cheri238]

Yes, Professor Sugrue and Professor Daryl Staloff, we say thank you.

[@christinemartin63]

Every time I listen to such lectures about brave men and women who asked brave questions, I have before my eyes the famous jump cut in 2001: A Space Odyssey: from ape to space station. At such times, I am grateful to have lived to hear about such people. (Thx for this one!)

[@Tnerb225]

I love these lectures please keep them coming.

[@ragnarosthefirelord8662]

Thank you for sharing Dr. Staloff's lecture from this series, Dr. Sugrue often references Staloff in other lectures on this channel, would love to see more from him as well. Commendable work preserving these excellent lectures for us to enjoy

[@BboyKeny]

Thank you so much for these uploads!

[@josephtrinkle3255]

Please keep posting these lectures. I watch through all of the ads entirely. Thanks much

[@st9919]

prem doesnt have ads

[@ihutson3031]

These lectures have been a real joy to watch. It's great to have a skilled, knowledgeable lecturer invite you into a new world. Makes the information so much easier to understand.

[@jackspicerisland]

LOVE this channel-Professor Staloff proves himself a worthy partner for Sugrue, and this is such a clear and down-to-earth exposition of a time and mindset which, as he points out, is very difficult to grasp.

[@cheri238]

Heraclitus is now my favorite philosopher, among many. He stated one cannot step into the same river twice. It depends on the fact that the river has permeneia: we call it the same river, because it is Heraclitus points to not the change only, but ever remains. There is no succession of things involved in this change, because the always flow, interpenetrating one another. One of Plato's teachers, Cratylus, who was a pupil of Heraclitus, was right when he wittly added that we cannot step in the same river twice, since at any instant, it is àlways changing, and we too are always in flux. And yet like the river. it is only by the changing that we can aquire the permanence we may have. (Effects of differing rates and differating rates of the pulse in vortexs stream .❤ #30:06 Heraclitus

[@voyagersa22]

The only ways I could’ve been good in chemistry, back in presocratic times, only 4 elements 😛👍🏻 Very didactic lecture thanks. Loving this new chap real professors 👨‍🏫

[@KenshoBeats]

Very articulate this guy, a pleasure to listen to.

[@TakeFlow1]

This is the real University. Thanks to Dr. Michael Sugrue and to Dr. Darren Staloff for these lectures.

[@trent797]

Fantastic lecture! Looking forward to more of his videos.

[@eft1978]

Endless thanks!

[@TomerBenDavid]

What a lecturer!!! 💥💥💥

[@Expeditehistory]

Aside from sound issues this was good. Thank you.

[@shogun9450]

Fantastic foundational knowledge

[@supersasquatch]

very interesting, thanks for the sharing!

[@CatastrophicDisease]

The being vs. not-being from Parmenides is almost identical to the Hindu vs. Buddhist views of metaphysics, where the Hindu view is that of being and Buddhist and that of non-being.

[@erickomar3152]

I, somehow, missed this lecture. Thanks for sharing!

[@MNMLSTN]

Will you upload more from Dr. Staloff? Amazing lecturer!

[@halahala6425]

Sound is horrible, but the lecture is actually fascinanting. And the main points stated as clearly as can be.

[@AthenaMarriesDionysus]

Brilliant lecture now I want to read all the fragments of them that exist! I Shame about the quality! I think there must be something you can do to fix it Michael Sugrue KZbin Channel!

[@Ondrified]

Thank you

[@oO-_-_-_-Oo]

fantastic!

[@fortunatomartino8549]

Sugrue and Staloff are the great explicaters of western civilization

[@lotharlamurtra7924]

This Is really True.

[@LetsFindOut1]

19:00 soul/neuma was originally a more material substance. it didn't arise out of completely abstract conceptions

[@AG-ic7hl]

Logos = Asha Interesting how far we’ve come since these lectures. Persians basically unmentioned yet influenced core doctrine.

[@boggs4896]

Did Dr. Staloff do a lecture on Kantian epistemology mirroring Dr. Sugrue's lecture on Kant's Moral Philosophy? I would really love that, if it's available!!!

[@Yakov_EPH-6.12]

I second that notion.

[@LongDuree]

This is good to pair with Dr Sugrues’ Hippocrates lectures on medicine…

[@indicaedits8692]

Wow!

[@PhilosoFeed]

Ah, finally I learn what the term "problematic" actually means.

[@thadtuiol1717]

Yes, yet another word that has been subverted by the usual suspects in recent years.

[@simritnam612]

A glaring lacuna in the meta narrative is the issue of elements. Obviously the 4 elements were not earth water air fire because the metallurgists had gold silver copper iron and clearly had liquified those, and they had noted the volume-density difference in the metals of "earth" through casting, and different types of "air" through domestic and productive industry, ie wind eggs... Therefore earth water air fire should be be understood by us as them understanding larger categories but confusing the part-whole distinction of matter & states of matter in the search for prime matter.

[@christinemartin63]

I have enjoyed this lecture a great deal. Nevertheless, why is it that there is no mention of the fact that quite a few of these philosophers, esp Pythagoras, spent many years in Egypt. What did they learn there? Why the interest? Did they "borrow" ideas and theories from these people? I am so curious....

[@jasoncherry5849]

Quote of the day: “Let’s make hi a Hemlock Milkshake, that’ll straighten hi right out”.

[@DiamorphineDeath]

Pre-Socratics were the real deal; currently going through a text on Nietzsche, and the parallels between Heraclitus and himself is very striking, poetic in nature, anti human in expression; I would tell people in college that if I could be a thinker in a time period, I would want to get as far away from modernity and enlightenment values as I could, and would be content in such a time period. Fredrick Copleston’s intro to philosophy volume 1 with the Greeks does a very good job summing up those various thinkers if anyone’s curious. His whole series is great, but often times the presocratics are glossed over as if Plato and Aristotle were Greek philosophy, whereas the Nietzsche’s of the world found like minded expression in Heraclitus and the like, pretty cool stuff. The primordial swamp of thought if you will, yet still mysterious as we only have fragmentary bits from them, so in essence, and in a cyclical fashion, they could have expressed things beyond our imagination, or what came to be rationality and humanism, it could swing in so many different directions. The mystery and the poetics is what I enjoy most with various philosophers, not cold rationality and calculation.

[@Xenophanes198]

I'm loving Copleston's work. I just started the section on Medieval Philosophy, which I know very little about.

[@jamalanderson3891]

I’m sorry to say I judge a book by its cover, and I’ve turned this video down so many times- because he looks like the WWF wrestler Shawn Michaels. Oh great Shawn Michaels with his pony tail telling me what’s what.. I’m currently watching because there is no way Michael would have him on his channel

[@Xenophanes198]

Lol

[@logicandreason5295]

more more,,more...moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@TomerBenDavid]

Moreeeeeeeeer

[@kaimarmalade9660]

Throwing the question into the ether: who are the Ionian Sophists of today? How is our contemporary science similarly limited? How might we anticipate, "big changes" in science and subsequent changes in other domains of human activity? Personally I'm excited because I think Jazz will go through another, "Cool-Modal Jazz" revolution like we got with Davis, Coltrane, Ayle, Sanders, Sun Ra (...) in the 50s and 60s. We could get another Jimi Hendrix... but like fricking Jimi Hendrix now has AI tools to manipulate his guitar sounds. I'm excited and terrified.

[@sergiosatelite467]

Decent eyebrow work.

[@diegonayalazo]

❤

[@FrenchKettleStation]

Yo this slaps

[@Th3BigBoy]

The green ranger became a philosopher.

[@Lupine.]

Has a slight semblance of a Seinfeld bit. "What's the deal with Elements?

[@Charmagh110]

24:07

[@simritnam612]

IMO, the study of ancient philosophy would be reinvigorated by interdisciplinary work with archeology especially forensic archeology. The classroom philosopher can't operate a shovel or turn a wrench, and in my experience is lacking in practical imagination.

[@waindayoungthain2147]

It’s difficult for me to explain about myself since the knowledge was made every time for me and inside of combined with art and science together with moral,wisdom and concern by the nature of living togetherness with observing obsession and happiness. It’s my opinion on one of the first conditions of happily is linked between man and nature that should not be broken. We should live with the nature combination for haves of life balancing not too much management, in reality I live with self respect for not to conquer the nature, respecting the environmental in one’s I feel that it’s really on the art of living. I accept that to explain how’s, not only for astonishing why’d , since there are the reasons and causes of the problems from it’s happened. Mostly with human being’s could not combine with the nature but provocative behavior and desires. Desires, that is the cause for everything we make for ourselves needed and justifying with violence against humanity including we measured the materials of no self control for development or under your control. The developers of the meaning is outside things they respect not the inside of mindfulness. How’s we dares to make it for warriors and greedy people made the manipulation for conquering the worlds, and mount of war’s and humanity passing through or migration to maintain your Billions faith of money. It’s brutal and hasn’t no attitude of sympathy whatsoever. You could never take your property, money with you when you passed away. It’s democratic made by yourself definition of crucial and self needs. It’s provocative to be not humbling to the nature of the world we need the balance of life. How’s the climate crisis happening in our period of living today’s, from we made, no response for self search solutions since it’s your behavior with satisfaction of savages instincts of human. For me, humanity, animals, the mountains 🏔, the trees 🌳 with fresh branches, twigs, insects, birds 🦅 nests or leaves hacked away, soils, breeze wind 💨, fresh air and waters should live with dependence on earth of control it’s us should adapting for living with the surrounding area and nature. How’s less manageable and it’s natural the most valuable thing for us. It’s my comparison with Laws are made for control ourselves and self security is made of self control and conscious made for kindness and consideration of ourselves. How’s mount of warriors aggression happening with the Rich development countryside . So sorry for my thoughts you had no self control and efficient attitude of savages for power reasons but not the poor family living. To live with peaceful life without self respecting I believe it’s destroying. If’s you don’t respect yourself you destroying everything for yourself, without guilty whatsoever. Time is passed by, the future is not yet come. It’s the moment that you have to live and decide on what will happening? Every second to gather a day it’s the atomic that cannot splits out in the small particles that are Times for me to live with human being’s to stay to control the emotional 😭 and self conscious to give if’s I care about human beings and nature for everyone especially supporting the Un community and humanity🙏🏻🇺🇳😊.

[@jimdenson]

6th century / : ? good lecture though.

[@jojones4685]

Handsome side profile

[@marcokite]

handsome full face

[@gizka6816]

when socrates had a bee on his hat

[@ROGERIUSTEUTONICUS]

Though informative the way he dismisses and misrepresents how the ancients truely regarded myths and what perrenial significance they tell about the human but also universal condition is very ignorant.

[@czarquetzal8344]

Who says that lecture method is a sort of intellectual exhibitionism? I disagree. No need for power point presentation.

[@taylortronic]

i wish this lecture was not unlistenable

[@kalvinversetheworld]

And would you like a glass of cummies to go with your meal, sir?

[@tarhunta2111]

American academia has a bad habit of turning subjects like Philosophy into a caricature of itself.

[@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858]

4:00 _I can't stand supercilious presentations about things people do not understand and don't not take seriously. The myths hold TRUTH. The way he smugly dismisses them is truly pathetic. And this is supposed to be about the ancient world? You treat them as though they were children, but it's clear who the real child is_

[@sergiosatelite467]

It was the 90s. We all thought supernaturalism was finally on its way out for good this time. Just like supernaturalists have been for centuries, we got cocky and naive. Please forgive him. Thanks.

[@henryburby6077]

Watch his lecture on eliade's cosmos