Dr. Frances Cress Welsing, The Relationship between Black Men and White Women (Full Interview 1973)

Dr Frances Cress Welsing and Alvin Francis Poussaint, M.D discuss the relationship between Black Men and White Woman. Both considered experts on a wide range of issues involving the black community and the study of the psychological effects that racism has on black people in their relation to white people and the world.
The threat of white-black racial amalgamation coupled with post-slavery black competition in social and economic spheres struck fear into the hearts of white men across the South and compelled them to reassert their power over both their' women and the black men who were their competition. Much of the Southern public was blinded with fear and rage at the idea of a black man with a white woman. A lynching was most likely to occur in cases where a black man had been convicted of outraging' (raping) a white woman, though a lack of conviction did not mean whites presupposed an accused negro's innocence.

[@Bluejay721]

Both black men here took Dr. Welsing’s words as a personal attack instead of a systemic discussion.

[@skyking3210]

she is wonderful isn't she

[@ksager123]

Because maybe she wasn't honest

[@CHRISTINATHEBELOVED]

@@ksager123She wasn’t honest about what ?

[@ksager123]

@@CHRISTINATHEBELOVED about the real reason black men dated out

[@rocroca7459]

She told the truth and it is a truth Black women and White men don't like to hear, that it is White women who seek out the Black man. White ,men and Black women, like to lie to themselves that the Black man only gets fat and ugly white women that White men don't want. It is a lie, and it is not about money either. Many rich white women go with poor Black men it is simply that the media goes out of their way not to show these scenarios. The state will only jump in to support the White woman if there is eventually trouble between the two (White woman and Black man) Then the state jumps in like they are there to rescue the White woman.

[@b1sunpeopleb165]

This is over 50 years old. Dr Frances Cres Welsing was a genius!!

[@eequalsmc2sqrd59]

She was no ill will here but I’ve noticed anyone who speaks real gods honest truth is labelled a genus look at Kanye …. We can all speak truth

[@b1sunpeopleb165]

@@eequalsmc2sqrd59 I don't pay attention to black people who date or marry non-African people. The man or woman you choose to date or marry shows who you're loyal to. Dr Francis Cress Wellsing's work has nothing to do with her becoming ill.

[@herbalman6337]

Amen & Amen & Amen 🙏!!!

[@fawkewemf5616]

​@@b1sunpeopleb165 wym "non-african?" Egyptian people live in Africa & they insist that they are white 😳

[@StarrTile]

​@@b1sunpeopleb165WTF are you talking about ????? I was married to a black woman as a white man and trust me she was not loyal to the white race, she may have had some white friends but most of her associates in friends were definitely of her culture. The issue I take with this interview is they dismissed and discarded anything having to do with love, which is actually pretty disgusting

[@deborahyisrael5258]

I love the way she never raises her voice to make her points when faced with opposition, only slightly modifies her voice inflections.

[@darylorage]

As I was listening, I continuously thought of feminine power at it's best.

[@ksager123]

No, she overtalked the men to keep them from speaking, which is rude...

[@choney324]

My Mother taught me this voice technique, and I hardly ever lose my point or composure.

[@choney324]

I think Dr. Kes ling has the advantage because she understands the power of white female behavior...and I also believe sometimes Black men are not aware or sometimes want to admit to any of this behavior.

[@greenqueen2673]

@@ksager123 I saw that as passion about her topic. They were often rude and talked over her. Would they have done that to a white woman?

[@kingleo8422]

Dr. Welsing is 100% correct and this is still going on today in 2024.

[@maiaboone8953]

Absolutely 💯

[@taison5166]

I concur.💯

[@williamdillard5060]

Dr Welsing dedicated her entire life trying to teach Black folks how to overcome the world wide institution of racism/white supremacy. I have read her ground breaking book, "The Isis Papers:The Keys to The Colors". Dr Welsing was a certified genius and deserves any and all recognition.

[@taison5166]

@@williamdillard5060 Once again...I concur.💯👍🏽🙏🏽

[@user-qg1em4bs1n]

Sadly, we have Black folks have gone nowhere because we are clueless about the society in which we live.

[@sailormoon206]

I wish interviews in today's time were this classy.

[@joeoja2660]

Dr Welsing is on another level. It's funny how these same narratives are playing out in every generation.

[@iaintmadatcha]

This woman was intellectually gifted with the knowledge of understanding the inner workings of the enemy. She took Psychology to another level

[@merchantcharles1954]

They are still playing out because the condictions have not changed. Blacks are still economically and spiritually subservient to their historical and contemporary oppressors ..

[@merchantcharles1954]

​@@CornellBentleystop using false narratives as facts. Let the elders speak.

[@CornellBentley]

@@merchantcharles1954 y’all ain’t my elders “before Abraham was, I AM” please don’t speak with me anymore

[@merchantcharles1954]

Abraham never existed. You quoting what you do not understand. Do you speak Hebrew, Bliblical ir otherwise. No. Do you speak Arabic ? No. Have you visited The African continent. Countries such as Egypt, Israel Jordan , Ethiopia or West Africa the land of the Hebrews No. Its 2024 and you still bible quoting sunday school classes. Listen to your elders and build on their divine knowledge. Do some more research. Put the words of wisdom in your heart and live.

[@dennismagee9486]

I am a white man living in America and not at all offended by being understood as having a genetic mutation. I was born and brought up in southern Louisiana and lived here all of my 75 years. I know first-hand what white supremacy is about, having relatives who have engaged in horrific acts of violence. I agree, it is NOT enough to say I’m sorry and it is far too easy to say that was “them” and “not me”! So now, I’m trying to figure out my part on how to combat outwardly and inwardly the evil of racism. I think Dr. Welsing is spot on, the most inciteful spokesperson on this topic of our time!

[@squarebear619]

You can start by stopping identifying with whteness. Race is a social construct and has no biological bearing. There is no culture behind it unless you count hatred, exploitation, and colonization. Blck, in America, is an ethnicity and is used due to not knowing exactly where predecessors came from, predecessors of various admixtures, and tribal affiliations. Because, let's be frank, the majority of modern countries on the African continent are based on what various Eurasians decided them to be and remains a place heavily influenced by Tribalism. Whteness is something that can be granted or taken away as it is a system of privilege and oppression. You have a relative idea of where you descend from plus can always use your nationality/ethnicity to identify yourself. Of course, you are whte and have whte privilege and will be seen as such but acknowledging the systems in place and rejecting them is a good start. If you're able, take some classes, watch videos, and read books on race, ethnicity, nationality, class, gender, intersectionality, etc, from quality cited sources. NYTN is a great KZbin channel that is very informative on the truth about race.

[@dennismagee9486]

Thanks for Replying . . . points taken!

[@90ejb]

Hello, good sir. I'm also from Louisiana, but I'm a 29 year old black Creole woman. Thank you for recognizing this wicked system. Understand you as a white woman is a victim in this system in the fact that you were lied to like the rest of us. The only way to combat it is to treat others the way you want to be treated. Which is the second greatest commandment by our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏🏾❤️ stay blessed!

[@nicolewilson4058]

​@@90ejb The commenter is a White man not a woman.

[@Sheba_316]

@@squarebear619why should he stop identifying with who he is, which is white. That’s his identity and it’s God given just as blackness is God given.

[@catherinesimpson6671]

She is BRILLIANT and analyzing interracial relationships today, she was on point about WHY white women pursue black man and how its more about the white woman's rebelliousness against the white man than it is about " you cant help who you love"...

[@africanbeautifulgirl]

So true!!!

[@jeanettesdaughter]

Happening in my pro Black family right now. Her father is basically a Nazi, but she wants to marry a Black man from my liberal Christian family. Can’t blame her personally , growing up among the walking dead, she wants to live and have brown or beige children who DDs knows will be accepted and groomed by US. BUT she also knows she is in control of him if not her father, and so does her incoming mate accept that she is in control, that he’d rather be white adjacent than Black because of the power dynamic. ALL of their friends are white. He can do things with her that he would not be allowed to do as half of a Black couple like drive up I 95 to New Hampshire for Christmas without misadventure. Period. Until white supremacy is discredited and abandoned, entirely - B lack men and women of color will be alienated from each other. We human beings are each and all commanded by both internal forces ( Freud, Jung, et al) and external forces ( Fanon, Welsing, James). Both/ and never either/or. That I s the difficulty right there/ how we negotiate or mediate between these forces is critical for our survival and dignity as a distinct culture.

[@catherinesimpson6671]

@jeanettesdaughter I pray for your brother...Satan is desiring to sift him...

[@jacquelynn2051]

Bravo! Well said..thank you!❤​@@jeanettesdaughter

[@anthonygriffin1958]

I can recall reading about how President Ulysses S. Grant tried to eradicate the KKK from the country back in the late 1800's. Unfortunately, the hate group managed to rear its ugly head, while returning back in the 1920's. It doesn't help when the country has leadership back by hate groups that have been emboldened by such racism of power in the world of politics in the 21st century.

[@avrahamyoel7039]

This woman was/is a saint...May she forever RIP.

[@lilyofthevalley2248]

AMEN🎯💯✅

[@anitarodriguez-rudell2211]

What year did she pass away? It's 2024 and just discovered this topic of conversation. What year was this recorded? Thanks

[@profvel7155]

@@anitarodriguez-rudell2211 2015 😞

[@madameeditalee7676]

​Obviously this extraordinary discussion was recorded in the 70s.​@@anitarodriguez-rudell2211

[@756Attitude]

Yes

[@roxieturner4638]

Dr. Frances Cress Welsing understood the assignment and she was brilliant.

[@dwanbailey3169]

Dr. Welsing was the reason why I got into this profession of behavioral therapy. Rest in power my sister.

[@loolikyl0005]

Dr Frances Cress Welsing might as well have said that yesterday for how accurate it still is today.

[@crob949]

History just repeats itself

[@ksager123]

What exactly are you referring to?

[@mightyrichard514]

She's dead.

[@merchantcharles1954]

Absolutely! And why? Because the system of White Supremacy is still active.You are still operating in it, by it, and consciously supporting it because your life goals are being defined by the system which definds sucess as an imitation of the System goals.

[@merchantcharles1954]

​@@ksager123The same thing is happening today.Some are asking for the kid not a relationship.

[@TyStephens]

What a great discussion!! Tragic that is still relevant today 2024!

[@jayanttchapman7874]

Exactly

[@BrownsvilleBaby_Est]

These worldy people not ready for this ..In 2024.Its a whole different timing out here.Our Brown sisters dating Esau,and Esau dating us So call Blacc men.I Love my sisters no matter how they are nowadays

[@ahnraemenkhera7451]

@TyStephens. It’s testament to how much energy & effort were expended discrediting and dismissing Dr. Cress-Welsing’s works & medical practices out of Fear-then. Also, a major tell about the 50 years lost in Confusion & pointless Conflict, had a critical mass of individuals comprehended The Color Confrontation Theory &/or Isis Papers 16 years later!! As is also already true, that 9/10ths melaninated people figure Dr. Welsing understood as accurate data is NOW down to 7/10ths already-as is natural human fertility because values have not changed significantly, nor altered sufficiently to restore survivable robustness to the human genome. 🌱 🍀

[@efef6853]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. We have been unable to get over some hurdles.

[@TyStephens]

@@efef6853 So true. But, we better keep trying every angle, or we'll be back at the beginning *(if some people have their way!)!

[@dbizzle85]

Man I miss back when our people could discuss without arguinf

[@cherryblossoms942]

Or being shut off (comments turned off) when your viewpoint doesn’t match their narrative

[@lonigibson2797]

That just happened to me. They deleted my comment on this video. Anytime we say something that opposes their agenda is always a threat especially knowledge that will wake our people up lol

[@deborahyisrael5258]

@@lonigibson2797 💯🎯💯

[@shabnamsuhrab82]

Looking glorious with those beautiful fro

[@waedjradi]

Yeah, the 3 to 4 last generations logically do not know how to do this. The older generations; they still can do this.

[@michelsummers6108]

Sad you can't find conversations with such depth in todays world!!!

[@rosej5029]

I bet it exists but will not be vastly disseminated nor broadcast as vehemently and repeatedly as ignorance and fear/hate mongering social media posts are for public viewing!

[@goergetobias7206]

This woman was on another level...All she was saying was true

[@lilyofthevalley2248]

YES‼️However, the TRUTH is an OFFENSE to MANY✅, but TOO BAD‼️‼️‼️TALK IT UP my SISTER💪🏾👏🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@JimmyGJean97]

I understand the context of her time, and I don't doubt her intelligence. But, am I the only one who thinks that the whole premise of her argument is wrong? The idea that there is a white supremacy system which every white person is obsessed with maintaining is preposterous. It sounds nice as an argument, but for all practical purposes, this is not what happens or goes through people's mind in real life. Normal human beings have way more important things to worry about (health, stress) than to make sure a supposed privilege system is carried on through generations.

[@anakinskywalker4949]

​@@JimmyGJean97 man you are wasting your time in this type of channel. The audience is made of believers. All your reasoning and explanations are pointless. The whole conceptualization of the lady is of course false. She fails to factor in, the purely mechanical aspect of sex: slavery or not, supremacism or not, domination or not, oppression or not, if you put 2 races in the same geographical area, you will have a certain percentage of race mixing. It doesn't matter what laws you put in place, it will happen for purely biological and mechanical reasons. In China for example, with the arrival of many Africans in China in the early 2000s, the number of interracial couples increased. Africans were never slaves or dominated by Chinese. How can the reasoning of the lady in video holds in that situation?

[@debramolley2561]

You are either too young or not paying attention....

[@debramolley2561]

This was in the 70's and now it's worse. And the black man is not getting the so- called cream of the crop white woman. She's sticking with her own, she's sticking with the power and the power is white !

[@zuzemoyo7696]

"Every act of sex is a political act". Sublime Dr Welsling Cress.

[@adeOLUWA]

Dr Umar will agree 😅

[@KingJohn301]

Where u think he get it from lol​@@adeOLUWA

[@greenqueen2673]

Truth!

[@user-vo5qo3rn3g]

Orwell said the same in 1984...big brother wants isolation of men & women from each other. Winsten & Julia secretly having sex was a "political act".

[@gastonneal724]

What is political? Reproduction is one of Man’s few instincts, long with suckling and self defense. It can be political, but more likely lust. Political using pertains to policy making right? Of course you can make it political, even a weapon, that at times can kill.

[@shondah.2195]

This debated discussion was exceptional and just as relevant in 1973 as it in today in 2024. Dr. Francis Cress Welsing was a genius and visionary. Her work and impact is unprecedented. She truly understood her people and the dynamic of structural racism and its impact on the world 🌎 power structure and relationships.

[@KwameFadhiliWilliams]

Much love to you my sista

[@CroElectroStile]

You're out of your mind if you believe the current system is kind to whites, especially white Christian men, who laid the foundation of America. The tables turned in the West, and the Ashkenazi Jews, in particular, outsmarted the white Europeans. They took over with their cunning maneuvers in banking, real estate ventures, and media control. Today, it's all about Jewish or Israeli supremacy in every sector - whether it's BlackRock pulling the strings in corporations and finances, or the government itself where 90% of Biden's administration is made up of Jews. A white man can't dare speak up for white power or form an organization advocating for the interests of white people without being immediately cast aside, disenfranchised, deplatformed, or branded a racist Nazi. Meanwhile, minorities such as women, LGBTQ, black, or Hispanic individuals are showered with favoritism in the hiring process through DEI initiatives. They enjoy the luxury of affirmative action and countless organizations fighting tooth and nail for them, providing loans, government funding, and whatnot. Whites are incessantly blamed for the world's problems, and the notion that "it's not okay to be white" didn't just materialize out of thin air. As someone not originally from America but with a brief stint living there, it's clear as an outsider that the significant portion of violent crime attributed to young black males isn't rooted in systemic racism. It's about family dynamics, as Thomas Sowell rightfully pointed out. You don't begin by changing the world; you start with yourself and your family. Raise kids with love, discipline, and a sense of belonging so they don't end up seeking those things in gang culture, drugs, or prostitution!

[@nagone11]

Dr Welsing left no stone unturned with respect to this subject Sister Shonda.

[@chuckiepeoples]

She loved hot, wet farts too. It was in her bio years ago.

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

" if you do not understand yt supremacy and racism, what it is and how it works, everything else you that you understand will only confuse you " Mr NEELY FULLER

[@danteh4947]

They were disagreeing with her but proving her point at the same time.

[@zettataylor2380]

So what you think about the men?

[@curtisjohnson5018]

Dr Welsing said it over 50 years ago and now look at the state of the black community.

[@taison5166]

Yep. The Black community is in MUCH WORSE conditions.💯

[@friedkake1876]

@@taison5166decades of wear and tear from white patriarchal politics will do it to you

[@Lamont-gw2jh]

⁠@@taison5166how? Like really how? What happened? Im black and I’m curious to hear about this much worse condition that we’re in. I know that covid happened, isis happened, the war with Ukraine and Russia and everything else but I didn’t hear about this much worse condition blacks are in. Hmmm. Are you even black or just talking shit about blacks?

[@Humanity2102]

Now Black women are going crazy marrying white men! We are moving backwards.

[@najjee2]

Worse that they are even all turning gay, om down low..etc..

[@Dipity007]

This woman is brilliant

[@ursamajor6347]

Especially at 32:39. Too many Black people male and female do not understand this. If power were just about money, people of color across the globe would have the power.

[@shakkamusa2366]

Wow! I was just about the type the exact same thing.

[@StarrTile]

She sounded pretty racist to me albeit intelligent

[@ursamajor6347]

@@StarrTile racist? Truth hurts

[@jaijai5250]

@@StarrTileconsidering you said you’re married to a so called black women, you still don’t know what racism is. Racism is about power! Black people as a collective do not have my systemic, or structural power on this earth, even in Africa. Europe , and now China own Africa and the Caribbean. You simply need to follow the wealth allocation to discern that. Words alone are not racism. The ability to impact and affect somebodies livelihood, and life, just because you hate their skin colour is racism. Deciding where they can go, whether they’re able to work, live etc. It baffles me when the descendants of the people who created the concept, and construct of race, and who’ve structured the world according to race, love to criticise others when they mention race. Hypocrisy at its best KMT!

[@iaintmadatcha]

The Isis Papers breaks this all the way down. A brilliant must read for all people of colour. A great mind of the 20th century Rest in Power Dr Frances Cress Welsing

[@user-sm9gm5ut9d]

I agree with your statement. I am from the sub-saharian French diaspora in France. You will be shocked to see that many black french are with either white or arab. Speak to them about this situation they answer: it's globalization, the world is colorblind now....

[@iaintmadatcha]

@@user-sm9gm5ut9d I know brother SMH its on the rise unfortunately even over here in the UK its getting pretty common. Social media is not helping either. I got my Black queen but im heavily worried about my people

[@JosephChandler-vd1cs]

I read the book, maybe needs to reread? The book was phenomenal .

[@MakkDaddyOne]

Queen Welsing always never wasted time dwelling on surface of any human dynamic. She was always far ahead of her time and too deep for the typical masses. I'm so proud she refused to stay in her place, and was authentic no matter who was present. For some strange reason, planet earth immortals cannot honor and give credit to Black women as deep and intelligent as Dr. Welsing, who would have been "dangerous" to status quo powers in any age or epoch.

[@robertthomas1828]

You are right on target 🎯 here!

[@ClayMastah344]

I wonder if she often felt lonely

[@MARJORIESKILLMAN]

THIS WOMAN IS TOO DEEP, BLACK AMERICANS ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THE CORRECTIONS, AND CORRECTIONS NEVER HAPPEN.

[@iwhippedcreamcode4642]

​@ClayMasDidnt She Have A Husband? tah344

[@TiaMarie777]

@@iwhippedcreamcode4642 Yes, she had a husband.

[@michelelsnton6834]

Dr. Welsing schooled them continously in this forum.

[@frazier2420able]

She didn’t school shit they had a conversation their both Doctors

[@michelelsnton6834]

@frazier2420able and someone didn't school you because you don't know which there, their, they're to use. 🤣🤣🤣 Have a good day Sir.

[@frazier2420able]

that’s a iPhone error I’m talking in my phone when I type genius

[@BroadWayJazz120]

​@@frazier2420ableSOUNDS LIKE YOU JUST GOT TRIGGERED 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@1blakking]

Dr. Welsing is on fire!!!

[@ksager123]

No

[@1blakking]

@@ksager123 Let me guess 🤔 You are a white person?.

[@deborahyisrael5258]

1blakking. She set that room ablaze! 🔥🔥🔥. The other doctor may need to call the fire department. Lol 🚒🔥🧯🧯

[@anakinskywalker4949]

Her reasoning is unfortunately flawed. You can't explain the concept of race mixing in a purely psychiatric thinking frame. There is a factual, observable mechanical aspect of sex that she is not taking into account when constructing her theory. It doesn't matter what power dynamics you have between 2 races, if you put the said races in the same geographical area, YOU WILL have a certain percentage of race mixing. It will happen for purely biological and mechanical reasons.

[@nfyoutube]

I like the fact that she does not let them or anyone step over her and let her finish what she's saying you go Mama love you I know you're not here with us anymore but bless your heart we love you

[@lilyofthevalley2248]

YES‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾❤️💛🖤💚

[@Nomorefreefood]

This happens when you know what you're talking about and not shaming anyone for a difference of opinion. Take notes. Natural hair, skin covered no cleavage. The only thing on display is her intellect. They gave each other respect. She didn't over talk either... What strong African American women use to be. 😔

[@AceBoogie_]

She had a lot to say

[@deborahyisrael5258]

@@AceBoogie_ Yes. She had scholarship to further our understanding, because she's done the work. Her "peer" on the other hand came empty-handed.

[@frazier2420able]

Your comment is 🗑️

[@bwalyachilombo1377]

Dr. Francis Welsing is too smart for mediocre minds. I love her😍

[@taison5166]

WAS...but I understand.

[@tameekasproulls7549]

You are spot on with that analysis

[@TheeUnicorn2.0]

Watching this in 2024 is mind blowing to me. They have completely described the world and where we are as BLACK people in 2024. Dr. Frances Cres Welsing was ahead of her time. OMG!!!!!!!

[@epicsseven7686]

She wasn't ahead of her time. It's an ongoing issue that never stopped. I'm in my 50s. And what was happening in the Black community when I was in my 20s, is still happening. As it was happening, before I was born.

[@glendagoodewright3438]

The Isis Papers is an amazing book

[@ebonylo.]

My question to you is why hasn't your generation change that narrative for the next generation?.​@@epicsseven7686

[@lindacromwell4347]

All I can add is, AMEN! What intelligence and insightfulness. It is difficult to have this discussion with my people and have the control in my voice and tone as she had. My anger gets so vocal. And my blood pressure rises. Were the guys intimidated by her superior intelligence? I want to be like her, even at 69.

[@robertcrowley8937]

Dr. Welsing is brilliant. You can apply everything she has said to professional Black Athletes. I attended a football game in Minnesota. I sat with a young lady who boyfriend was on the team. She said most of the Black players had white girl friends. With all of their success they still needed white validation

[@zuzemoyo7696]

Dr Welsling was beautiful intelligence personified. Sublime mind.

[@rgreen7361]

They began to try to diminish her from the beginning by calling her ‘sister’ and Frances instead of addressing her with respect of her title as Dr.

[@kimphillips6209]

Or by her first name.

[@longshotsmedia]

What she speaks about is the true reality, no feelings. This is why it is hard for her fellow brother to understand. He keeps ensuring that she is not talking about every single person when she is talking about global systemic issues

[@lynnd.5135]

That's because black men think about themselves not their community. So they think they can separate themselves from the system

[@kiaora7214]

All my nephews who married ww and broke up with them were dragged through the courts. Hell hath no fury like a ww scorned. But my nephews who married our own women are supported and the kids are secure in their identity.

[@QueenAries72]

Wow! Thanks for sharing 👍

[@ibiro868]

That’s the biggest reason why I can’t marry a ww. A white woman cannot raise a Black woman. Period

[@bloodmoney6297]

You must've never been to court here in America. Bw keep bm in the court system. Even the police have came out and said this themselves.

[@Selah_Saint_1865]

In these IR relationships, one or both parties has to be either totally submissive or highly narcissistic in order for the relationship to survive. One or both of them will either have to yield completely to the other in every respective situation, or else one or the other will have to be so addicted to the public attention (whether negative or positive or both) they get from the contrast of the IR aesthetic that they wouldn't give it up for the world. I think sometimes it's a combination of both the dominant/submissive (sadomasochistic) dynamic AND the extreme narcissism of one or both participants.

[@nikkisadler8960]

Child support court and divorce court are different ​@@bloodmoney6297

[@DarrickandLeslie]

Brilliant conversation between enlighten black minds! Dr. Cress I miss her!! Love her!

[@alb7844]

2024....she was right.

[@ksager123]

About what.?

[@EatshitanD13]

@@ksager123 watch the video again and listen this time

[@ksager123]

@@EatshitanD13 she wasn't right about everything

[@ksager123]

@@EatshitanD13 dummy you thought you said something lol

[@Jersonx3000]

Who cares. Love whoever you love. All of this is dumb

[@user-oz8vd7tr9i]

"The black man is getting siked out of power " She ain't never lied

[@Gay-Icon]

What power? Let's start there.

[@SaiyanJoestar]

By who? Because we don't ever talk about the black man being sold out for government benefits.

[@SE-gs6gd]

@@DominantBlackMaleLeaderand you dog em out. Not all but most. That’s way divorce is so high. You can only carry a dead horse for so long

[@razorsharplifestyle101hard9]

What power can you have that only the white man gives him in their world.

[@razorsharplifestyle101hard9]

​@@DominantBlackMaleLeaderAnd are probably divorce by 85 percent of them.Child support etc

[@kevincoleman3395]

I am married to a blk woman. But I have date white women in my past. And the things points she brought up. I have felt them.

[@ShawaLaYah77]

Thank you for validating this great sister!

[@rome2989]

Time stamp??

[@spectacularrichbeautybrilli]

It takes a conscious bonafide MAN of strength and integrity to acknowledge truth and be held accountable.

[@speaktruth3612]

​TRUTH BE TOLD

[@madlaz5795]

Can you elaborate on what u have felt

[@ankhmaathotep7913]

The great, great Ancestor, Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. Rest in Power. Tony Brown and Dr. Alvin Francis Poussaint should humble themselves and be more open minded and receptive to the Truth that Dr. Frances Cress Welsing was sharing.

[@rreed336]

Salute to our great ancestor. #B1

[@Master_Zu]

❤❤❤

[@ahnraemenkhera7451]

@ankhmaathotep7193. They COULD not because of their hidden agendas: validation & vindication of so-called “interracial-hood” as a panacea; & solidarity for $$$ with Systemic Injustice/Racism-WS. Had they considered bioethically & scientifically what Dr. Cress-Welsing was trying to explain, or had they ASKED her to define R/WS-what it is, how it WORKS-they could’ve both saved many more lives (& very likely more livelihoods as well) since 1973-75. This is what sadly TENDS to happen in strict adherence to systemics. The message isn’t received comprehensively because the bearer’s phenotype appearance is pre-programmed to be perceived as being “subject to mistreatment,” to discredit, to dismissal, to derision, within maintaining Injustice-daily & ordinarily. 🌱

[@homodeus8713]

Who were they married to?

[@pink7936]

They were super defensive

[@kipwonder2233]

“Every act is a political act…When people relate, they are ALWAYS relating on the basis of power”. A very Foucauldian analysis. Dr. Welding is a fascinating presenter 👏👏👏

[@Kobe29261]

She was talking sub-text the entire time and the rest of panel kept pointing at the text. They missed the point that they themselves did not stand outside the forces shaping the larger world.

[@nanettematthews2264]

And sex is a dense transfer point in power relations...

[@williamfrazer9766]

This interview was made in 1973 and it brings light today in 2024 , facts !

[@naomicerre5987]

Dr.Welsing is spot on!! She clearly is explaining how white supremacy has had systemic impact and societal thinking and action is dictated on such impact!

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

" if you do not understand yt supremacy and racism, what it is and how it works, everything else you think you understand will only confuse you " Mr NEELY FULLER

[@titanblooded6222]

White Supremacy where the same ppl who said BW can sleep with whoever wants them, but black men can only be with black women.

[@kiaundriabellerose5027]

She held her own! At times, they tried to suppress her voice and undermine her views because she’s a woman, but she held it together 👑🌹

[@razorsharplifestyle101hard9]

Did she have kids and a black husband?

[@tumelotefo4767]

That can be done without interrupting. She listened when they talked but they didn't do the same so it's not about that at all​@shoesinmysoup

[@JosephChandler-vd1cs]

Watch out for that feminist bs!

[@Voice_Of_Truth467]

This brilliant queen really open my mind to the level of mind control that is place over our people. This information is a great blessing and I wish that all people of color can hear this.

[@Nkosi766]

How weak is your mind ?

[@ssd2930]

Yes. White Supremacy have BM in a choke hold, so BW suffer by default.

[@royaltylordprinceshamiyah1229]

PRINCESS NOT QUEEN BRUH, PLEASE LOOK UP THE ROOT MEANING OF QUEEN.

[@howtosavyguides]

​@@royaltylordprinceshamiyah1229She is a queen.

[@brianmeen2158]

It’s tragic you don’t realize how little she thinks of her own people. She acts like her people are totally helpless against this invisible power structure that the white man created. If this isn’t a paralyzing form Of racism Against your own people I don’t know what is! Yet people praise her smh

[@hunybee5558]

Dr. Cress-Welsing had such an high-level understanding of human beings. From my perspective, Dr. Poussaint was at a micro-level.

[@Shari1565]

He needed some afro sheen🤭. He was bothered😏

[@paulamahone8201]

Poussaint appeared uncomfortable with Dr. Welsing's point of view. Hope he wasn't concerned about his Harvard appointment.

[@jeanettesdaughter]

If you only knew the half of it. Lol

[@FNFIHOCTW]

She spoke no lies, and she is brilliant!

[@cutflower36]

she laid it out, just like it is

[@gregorystuby2761]

Remember Samson, who insisted that he wanted the Philistine woman, Delilah, to be his wife. The people, of her race, got her to make him reveal the source of his strength, which, she eventually did. And now, we know what happened to him, eventually.

[@ankhmaathotep7913]

The Samson story is just an Afrikan story. Samson never existed in real time like you and I today and so are all those fictitious characters in the bible. (They never existed) Facts....

[@davidburton2900]

The point of the Samson story is not its historicity, but rather the lesson that is to be learned: never sleep or have illicit relations with the enemy.@@ankhmaathotep7913

[@gregorystuby2761]

@@CornellBentley, tell that evil individual.

[@gregorystuby2761]

@@CornellBentley, I realized that from his name.

[@philyd48]

​@@ankhmaathotep7913You need to wake up from your sleep your blindness really shows. The blind leading the blind.

[@lissa2046]

It's very hard to have a conversation with black men. I loved how she handled this back then. And it's still relevant til today.

[@Myhandle718]

Yall always complaining

[@temidayofatoki1202]

I find most of her takes extreme and unbalanced, but ofcourse in 2024 whatever she sais will be glorified , even that which wasnt even understood

[@frazier2420able]

Dr Alvin Frances is a psychiatrist as well

[@donaldjeffery9338]

And just as hard to have one with a white person period bc they think they know everything.

[@jaquonnacoleman6013]

So hard

[@ytalchemy]

Dr Welsing displays an analytical genius that is jaw-dropping.

[@deborahyisrael5258]

💯🎯💯

[@damerich]

This is perhaps the most significant video ever produced in the history of the world....

[@DECEPTICON33]

One of the greatest minds of the black society. She was prophetic in her views and writings.

[@SunnyDepth]

These Black men couldn’t accept the truth then, and many are STILL swimming in denial about these dynamics today.

[@SilkyDanielle-]

Yes! Until they’re lives are line*

[@jaquonnacoleman6013]

TUHDAY!!

[@melaninoncode7555]

Shout out to the late great sister, Dr. Frances Cress Welsing who dominated the conversation dropping gems.

[@JaniceEllis-bk6fn]

Intelligent black woman.

[@croys8608]

So brilliant Dr Welsing, the very words she spoke then are still true today. The self hate continues. Knowledge is key!

[@QueenAries72]

And knowledge is power 😉

[@looking4100grand]

Dr. Welsing is too smart for these two brothers. She inter and over stands while they just understand.

[@graylonperson9012]

😂😂😂

[@RAJOHN-ke7mc]

Those words don't exist. What is interstand and overstand?

[@speaktruth3612]

​@@RAJOHN-ke7mcWHEN YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND OR COMPREHEND A WORD OR TWO BE HUMBLE A ENOUGH TO SAY I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WORD WRITTEN OR SPOKEN, RATHER THAN MAKING FALSE ASSUMPTIONS OF A WORD NOT EXISTING.

[@speaktruth3612]

YOU ARE RIGHT ON POINT. SHE IS MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THOSE TWO

[@bossplayermfs5972]

@@RAJOHN-ke7mcThat’s Umar Johnson’s words it’s not to be taking seriously.

[@marilynjackson5983]

In memory of Dr. Welsing, Black people in all states should build a school and name it after her!. The curriculum should be about the white supremacy system!

[@hotmomma1552]

That would be nice , but they would constantly be attacked. But nobody is ready for that conversation!😉

[@90ejb]

They're already trying to get rid of critical race theory. They want us to over certain parts of history. They said it was "race baiting"and being "divisive".

[@jenniferslowley4319]

I am ashamed to say I have never heard of this lady, but I will now be seeking out her works. She has eloquently, politely and with erudite standing explained a subject just as relevant today in 2024 as it was in the 70s when this intelligent discussion took place. If Dr. Alvin Poussaint had ever been my psychiatrist, I feel I would have fired him, as he cuts into and talks over Dr Frances when she speaks. He seems slightly defensive, although it's beneficial, I guess, to hear other perspectives. I am team Dr Frances though. She mesmerises with her intellect.

[@bbh70002]

This is solid gold. A great discussion between three legendary figures. Dr. Welsing and Dr. Poussaint, along with Drs. Nathan and Julia Hare among others, spent their careers advancing the welfare of black people in America for decades, without fanfare and without widespread appreciation. And oh my God, is the voice of the great Tony Brown missed, especially in these volatile days when truth in media is almost impossible to find. For anyone who has never seen it, please do yourself a favor and find the video of Dr. Welsing quietly, calmly, and systematically taking apart the racist scientist William Shockley. Her brilliance was beyond measure and she is sorely missed today.

[@mariposamarshall9773]

That was a masterful interview- Shockley COULD NOT debate her intelligently or with real data and information - she made mince meat of him BRAVA, BRAVA, BRAVA DR FRANCES CRESS WELSING - one of my heroes , along with Paul Robeson, Dr. Claude Anderson , Dr. Van Sertima , Dr. Henrik Clarke etc.

[@chanteld7641]

She is brilliant! Wow this conversation is so intriguing and intricate.

[@ceruleanelectricthrone485]

She's way beyond these two men.

[@adriangreen9785]

I wish we had more queens with her mentality. And we should get together and have these conversations

[@davidriad1843]

Calm, quiet and civil discussion despite their opposing views. Mature and intellectual. We don't see anything of this today. In the beginning I considered Dr. Frances Welsing as pedantic. But after listening to her elaborate, elucidate and argue her points clearly and coherently, she's spot-on. Thank you for sharing this gem of a video

[@howardwhite8397]

I literally do not know of a single word in the dictionary to describe Dr. Welsing's most high UNDERSTANDING AND COMMUNICATION. Oh my goodness. Far above genius.

[@deborahyisrael5258]

💯🎯💯

[@nysaxman]

You can tell which doctor was from Howard or Harvard. One (Dr. Welsing) talked with a distinct black consciousness, the other (Dr. Poussaint) sounded like a stereotypical Ivy League clinician.

[@kingkhaya1115]

Yessir 👏🏽

[@JAGTheDiva056]

Listening to this, it's sad to see that not much has changed in terms of the mentality of many black men when it comes to this matter. This is why they get caught up; they are simply unconscious when it comes to white women. Dr. Frances Cress Welsing was dead on with everything she stated & you can clealyr see proof of it in relationships today. The men on this panel were in denial & clearly not ready for this sistah. She was brilliant! ✨

[@titanblooded6222]

Lol it's a joke. The same WS lies BW been saying for 50 yrs

[@juanita1176]

Young black boys and young black men are being indoctrinated at a very early age via tv commercials, tv shows, movies, music videos etc. Parents pay attention to the ookie doke. It's not cute and its not love if your boy child or girl child seems to be uncomfortable in their own skin.

[@BamMilg]

Your beautiful and a queen and I'm white and hispanic.

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

Said a whole lotta nothing

[@Deelove-kb9bs]

Add blk women to that too

[@zekedidit313]

She basically saying that there cannot be a genuine connection between a black man and a white woman because of the power structure. the only way it could be genuine is if we hold equal power in the system as them, which we don’t and haven’t so far in history.

[@vanceelliottwright2341]

Fair assessment! Except it’s just RECENT History. 5-700 years or so. In terms of total Human History as Dr. Welsing says, this system has only been in place “a couple of months”.

[@zekedidit313]

Yea you right I meant like American history when the systems were being put in place

[@KarenGoga]

Bxllshxt many off white and black couple have been married years and are amazing together

[@nthabi25]

@@KarenGoga. Yeah you need to read more. This level discussion may be above your pay grade. No shame, just spend time reading and pursuing understanding

[@KarenGoga]

@@nthabi25 I do understand I just think it’s bxllshit love is love and there isn’t more than one race there is just the human race tired off hereing go with your own race there is only one race the human race people shouldn’t be listening to this garbage if you meet somone and like them be together it shouldn’t matter wat enyone says

[@MrEverSoBad]

Dr. Francis Welsing was so much more knowledgeable than these two brothers. I mean no disrespect to them but she knew what she was talking about. It would have been nice if they would have listened more than kept cutting her off. Very intelligent conversation.

[@kyrabarr2846]

I am thankful for the wisdom, and information that Dr. Cress Welsing left as a legacy!

[@jasengriffin485]

I was just born when this aired. Dr Poussant is so young. Interesting that they are actually having a show about this back then.

[@olgalau-akin1857]

She is taking facts. But the black man still dont get it!!

[@ksager123]

No she's not

[@rome2989]

@@ksager123yes she is

[@user-yh3pb8ho3v]

They don't get it, because deep inside their souls; they to want a concubine!!

[@nerdguy5486]

@@ksager123 its crazy how people think she's factual.

[@razorsharplifestyle101hard9]

Indeed,But feminism is another creation by the system so that have made relationships between black women incompatible in this country.Which is why black men are Courting black abroad in Brazil and the Caribbean and he doesn't have worry about being sued by a black women in the states.

[@tamikax9738]

The men took it personal was as if they were fighting a personal battle. Rather than facts. Dr Welseing was exceptional and calm and factual. One of the black men said blck women are threatened it’s same argument today. And Dr welsings answer was so profound and thoughtful. His was personal.

[@lynnd.5135]

They are feeling called out on their obsession with ww

[@sirblackshield8000]

This 😂😂😂🙌🏾

[@majesticmelanin2218]

These were truly the good old days where people could have intelligent conversations over controversial subject matter without being derailed by emotion.

[@ericpowell4350]

Dr Welsing was an intellectual giant. Her words are as true today as they were yesterday.

[@bopcoppins5337]

Frances Cress Welsing was a very very smart black woman I agree wholeheartedly on her analysis after listening to her explanation in which she explained herself to the degree a kindergarten student would of understood,thank you sister for your invaluable contributions!!

[@shortybob74]

She is very intelligent and well rounded. I would like to hear more of what she is saying completely instead of her being cut off.

[@borngreat-4-life930]

Not all skin folk is kinfolk.

[@jayj.6146]

Have you read her book The Isis Papers? Also, Nelly Fuller Jr., who she got many of her theories on white supremacy from is still alive and is on a weekly radio program.

[@shortybob74]

@@jayj.6146 I've heard of the book, I'll have to actually read it, thank you, and I'll look up Nelly Fuller Jr.

[@prettybrowneyez29]

You noticed too

[@shortybob74]

@@jayj.6146 I've heard of the Isis papers but I haven't read it yet. I'll check it out soon

[@natoriobarbie8193]

I haven't finished the video yet, but I'm alarmed at how obtuse the black male psychologist was behaving towards Dr. Francis. He wanted to make everything relating to bm and wm specific to each relationship or individual and missing the point of white supremacy that Dr. Francis was making. It was very concerning to watch. Was he choosing not to see her point because he's a bm? Very odd.

[@architecture.w]

Only "odd" to a woman.

[@natoriobarbie8193]

Well, since I am a woman and I am indeed saying that it is "odd" what exactly is the point your're making?@@architecture.w

[@lynnd.5135]

Because they only think as individuals where white men think of their community. As a result that is why black people don't get ahead because they don't see the bigger picture like white men do. That's why they stay conquered

[@JosephChandler-vd1cs]

Don't forget, he is the same person that co-authpred the book "Come on People" with Bill the predator Cosby. I resented that book and it's take on Black People.

[@keenanmoore4163]

S/O to whoever uploaded this. This is a gem. Very enlightening. Historic and in my opinion should be taught in our black schools.

[@KH-qs1di]

A prime example of this conversation is Clarence Thomas.

[@KevinJohnson-sd3vv]

Dr. Welsing is the most brilliant mind ever!

[@deborahyisrael5258]

💯🎯💯

[@therealqueenofmoney]

12:33 Such an important point she's making here that the male ego has a difficult time hearing. Powerful conversation and education. "When people relate, they are always relating on the basis of power" 💥🔥🔥

[@kaysera6566]

It's sad, 99% of commercials now show interracial couples

[@marvinhagler4721]

Pushing it down our throat, then the rest promote homosexuality

[@deborahyisrael5258]

@@marvinhagler4721 Thank you! 💯🎯💯

[@deborahyisrael5258]

@Kaysera. I know and this is TERRIBLE!

[@deborahyisrael5258]

It's a good thing the REMNANT knows that they CANNOT mix with the stranger/heathen/gentile. They will NOT be deceived no matter what tactics the devil throws out there.

[@charlenehall4573]

So true

[@monicaaparecidaoliveira8063]

Watching this conversation in 2024. 1973 - And the question was already on. I am amazed. Thank you for sharing.

[@ParisFinley]

Dr. Welsing's assertions were spot on and hard truths for them to hear. There was nothing she said that can be refuted.

[@chapter6verse22]

Only black women for this black man🤎 I love y’all

[@theblackgods4699]

That's dumb ...lol don't you find it strange that black women are praised for dating white men and black men are shunned for dating white women 🤔 it's historical . They don't want us to have any choice they want us to have access only to the women they easily control

[@deborahyisrael5258]

@@theblackgods4699 ⬅⬅WYTE TROLL here to cause strife & division. Nice try WYTIE but run back to your CAVE. The hot sun is out, it may in-fertilize you! 🤣😂🤣

[@chapter6verse22]

@@DominantBlackMaleLeader elaborate

[@deborahyisrael5258]

@@chapter6verse22 Please don't engage @ProBlackBetaMale. *He's a WYTE TROLL.* Every time a black man says anything thing positive about black women, the beasts come out of their CAVES to stir up DIVISION.

[@deborahyisrael5258]

@@DominantBlackMaleLeader ⬅⬅Run back to your CAVE TROLL.

[@MrTroythomas417]

Dr Welsing is still teaching after all these years!

[@Teho231]

She is very much on point if you seriously pay attention to what she’s saying. She has a brilliant mind.

[@Dakkadot01]

DAMNNNN..This was insanely deep. Abysmal deep into racism and understanding the root of everything that is occuring today. These 3 were phenomenal but Dr. Welsing is the MVP here.

[@BeautyIsM3]

Beautiful dialogue! She is spot on

[@Pheistyherbalist]

Brilliant and Beautiful- she was on another level!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿

[@ShawaLaYah77]

The more things change the more they remain the same. So much insight this sister had... "The Isis Papers" She wrote in 1991. Read it 🙏🏾❤️!

[@lubsey]

DR Welsing she's so right

[@ursamajor6347]

The most powerful thing we can do in relation to commenting and liking these videos is sharing them. Don't keep this information to yourself. Share it widely.

[@ursamajor6347]

LOL I'm a Black woman Bro We do want Black male leadership.but the man has to be capable of leading. He has to be a decent person. @ckBetaMale

[@racourdav]

Back in the day whenever I saw her on TV I watched! Even as a kid I knew this lady was a truth teller. RIP Dr. Welsing, and Tony Brown

[@sausage9806]

The queen dropped gems. She is fearless

[@lorenzoclement2013]

Frances cress welsing is awesome and pin point accurate.

[@joabphilosophy2138]

I think the other guest was dating a yt woman during the time of this interview 😂😂 some of his responses to Dr Frances sounded like he was speaking for himself on being able to be activist on holistic black cause and still be with a yt woman without looking to her for validation. Dr Frances got in his 💩

[@MontePlus]

That was a very insightful conversation…

[@user-yh3pb8ho3v]

Her comments are relevant in 2024! Brothers need to listen to this Queen!

[@denisenorman4032]

She gets no argument from me, I needed the understanding of what I'm witnessing explained. Thank you, Dr. Welsing.

[@bettyroyal-jp6jq]

She’s right in what she is saying! BM don’t want to hear it because it’s true and they are in interracial relationships or marriages.

[@Myhandle718]

Black men marry black women 95% of the time

[@mckenziecolclough8547]

Which is none of your business, not everyone sees the world through her lens. Sometimes it's just two people in love or attracted to each other who happen to be different colors. No more or less, not every interracial relationship or marriage is how she describes it.

[@justmaybe6638]

@@mckenziecolclough8547 You have a point however, what Dr Cress-Welsing said went way beyond what you’re saying here. The unconscious is always present and the world within which we all live might not take centre stage in our homes or relationships, yet they have an impact and influence our choices and ‘feelings’. She said a whole lot more but I can see why some people feel ‘attacked’ although this was not her intention. We overestimate how much ‘our feelings’ matter in the bigger picture or when it comes to uncomfortable truths.

[@queenschronicles]

If they could see today!!! She was CORRECT

[@VivaciousVirgO]

Queen Welsing actually lived long enough to see our folks' failure to change. She was well aware of the foolishness that existed then, and the madness that continues today.

[@kristin1533]

Dr. Welsing was great in this discussion. Her comments were spot on, especially about the patriarchy and white supremacy. And she wasn't at all sentimental about falling in love. LOL.

[@rustyhornzinstrumentalist-7596]

Dr. Frances's Book, Isis Papers : Keys To The Colors Blew My Mind. I Learned a Lot About Global WT Supremacy. I Miss Her R.i.P. 7x🤎