Dr. Robin Parry - The Gospel-Shaped Love Of God - Session 7 (FGC 2016)

[@brotherjoeradosti]

What does God's love look like? It looks like Jesus; it looks like God's cruciform love! Thank you, Dr. Parry!

[@loveneverfails.521]

Beautifully presented. Thank you so much DR. Perry..

[@TheHumbuckerboy]

@ Ellie May ... I second that ! : )

[@CarterIsFly]

Praise God! Savior of all

[@1234567mrbob]

Thank you for your message! You spread hope to a hopeless world.

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

Anyone watching this with any hint of skepticism should ask their self the following question: Am I uneasy with this perspective because it runs contrary to Jesus' life & message, or am I uneasy with this perspective because it challenges the long held assumptions I've carried?

[@krustysurfer]

Because it goes against dogmas taught by supposed holy men

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

@@krustysurfer No it doesn't. There is no such thing as "settled eschatology" in Orthodoxy.

[@krustysurfer]

@@Jordan-hz1wr please explain a little more.

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

@@krustysurfer The only place where belief in a hell of eternal conscious torment is a required belief of the faith, i.e. "dogma", is in Roman Catholicism and by extension, Protestantism. In Eastern Orthodoxy, there is no such requirement.

[@webz3589]

​​@@Jordan-hz1wrbelief in eternal concious torment is not required in protestantism.

[@konxx8280]

Wonderful. All my live I have problems with "brothers" and "sisters" because I believe what the Bible tells us abouth the love of God......I will never give up to preach the evangelium. Praise the LORD. A much better word for Gericht is Richtigungen.

[@krustysurfer]

Scientists have searched the universe high and low for a unified field that pervades and holds reality together thinking it was, gravity, electricity, light, sound, heat, entropy, inertia etc etc. I tell you and the bible does a great job of doing so as well that this whole universal creation we exist in is powered by constructed of and exists by for and of *LOVE* Love is the unified field Einstein and others were looking for but could not see even though it surrounded them. GOD IS LOVE! LOVE WINS! God died to reconcile all things to himself! Legendary Love! Great sermon thank you.

[@konxx8280]

LOVE WILL BE ALL IN ALL

[@kevinrombouts3027]

As far as I can see, he puts a water-tight case for Christian universalism and it being the only rational conclusion knowing God is love.

[@denissutherland3653]

2 Timothy 4 : 4 " They will avert their ears from the Truth and they will turn to extravagant tales."

[@webz3589]

Yes like the extravigant tale that God spends eternity torturing people.

[@bobmeoff1137]

At the Triune level, is there a quality about what is called the Eternal Son, something which is eternally dying?

[@Emmaslittlehomestead]

can someone suggest a church or ministry or something that is Christian/trinitarian universialism

[@colinmurphy4403]

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.Act 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.Act 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

[@colinmurphy4403]

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Jesus clearly told his disciples a parable, then he gave his disciples the meaning of the parable. A child can read these verses, and understand clearly the implications of these verses, that they are very serious, and shows very serious consequences. Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: AND HIS DISCIPLES CAME UNTO HIM, SAYING, DECLARE UNTO US THE PARABLE OF THE TARES OF THE FIELD. Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

[@TyehimbaJahsi]

I came to believe in universal salvation for two reasons: 1. The Scriptures, properly translated, really do seem to teach it. 2. It makes both Calvinism and Arminianism look so pathetic by comparison.

[@colinmurphy4403]

Jesus warned us that there will be many false teachers among us, as well as false prophets! Put God first in everything you do because death can come at any time! To die without making peace with God is the worse thing that can happen to anyone! Because the next time your eyes be open if you are dead, you will find yourself at the judgement seat of God! We all have to stand before God oneday! V 2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 2Co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. Isa 45:22-23 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. v Rom 14:10-13 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. v Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the BOOKS WERE OPENED. Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; AND THE BOOKS WERE OPENED: AND ANOTHER BOOK WAS OPENED, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. 1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. 2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

[@colinmurphy4403]

@@anahata3478 You have completely ignored the scriptures. The scriptures proves without a shadow of doubt I'm so right! Universalism is the biggest lie manufactured by the Devil!

[@colinmurphy4403]

@@anahata3478 YOU ARE DEAD WRONG! 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:Luk 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. Luk 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Luk 13:29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

@@colinmurphy4403 Take all of those scriptures in context of their chapter. Then each chapter within context of their book. Then each book within context of the overarching narrative of the story God is telling. Also, nice job copying and pasting the same comment on all these videos. Very Westboro Baptist of you.

[@colinmurphy4403]

@@Jordan-hz1wr Please take the word of Jesus seriously!

[@colinmurphy4403]

@@Jordan-hz1wr You must be sick in the head! Hitler killed more than six hundred million Jews in cold blood! Many Jews killed in gas chambers, and killed under heavy gunfire, then cast in pits! A message to Adolf Hitler and his henchmen! And to all terrorist jihadist, those who carry out deadly attacks on the innocent! And to all murderers! And to all who hater! V 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. 1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.1Jo 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.1Jo 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

[@colinmurphy4403]

Do you know that those people who heve not been converted, born of the Spirit, that they are dead people? Let me teach you the scriptures, I hope you get the understanding. V Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:Luk 15:24 FOR THIS MY SON WAS DEAD, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. Luk 9:59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, LET THE DEAD BURY THEIR DEAD: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 1Ti 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth. 1Ti 5:7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless. Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 AND I SAW THE DEAD, SMALL AND GREAT, STAND BEFORE GOD; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[@OperationReapSinners777]

We have to be made PERFECT in our life time or we will not enter the kingdom of God! It's all that simple! Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and PERFECT in his generations, and Noah walked with God. Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was PERFECT and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore PERFECT, even as your Father which is in heaven is PERFECT. Phl 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be PERFECT, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Jhn 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. 1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1Jo 3:7 LITTLE CHILDREN, LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. 1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

[@OperationReapSinners777]

@@ada5851 Just read what I have put out it's there for our learning. If Job can be perfect and do no evil, then we must can as well. I am now a Spiritual man living a righteous life, not being carnal minded. The things I use to love, I now hate. The things I hated, I now love. My music is Christian. My movies is Christian. I don't go nightclubs, only church etc. I no longer fornicate, I am married to God. I follow the commandment, Love thy neighbour as thyself. I am now a full pleage Christian. If you are willing to read all scripture, you will get my point. V Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good work. Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

[@OperationReapSinners777]

@@ada5851 I do what I can for the poor and the needy. Please take HEED of these verses. V 2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, DECLARE UNTO US THE PARABLE OF THE TARES OF THE FIELD. Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

I suggest that you read David Bentley Harts book “That All Shall Be Saved”. If you can refute that logic, I will eat myself.

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

@@anahata3478 You get it, friend. Definitely not an easy read the first few times you read it. But for someone who thinks along the same lines as Hart, oh how refreshing his book has been in these modern times! I've read it dozens upon dozens of times over the last few years.

[@OperationReapSinners777]

@@anahata3478 You seem to dodge the bulk of the scriptures which poves my point beyond a shadow of doubt that some people will be saved and some people will be lost for all eternity. Do not miss this! V Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and PERFECT in his generations, and Noah walked with God. Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was PERFECT and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore PERFECT, even as your Father which is in heaven is PERFECT. Phl 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be PERFECT, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

[@colinmurphy6000]

There may be no hell, but for sure fire and brimstone awaits the ungodly people! The old testament confirms the event! And so says the words of Jesus, from the new testament! Do not speak otherwise with your own nonsense opinion! Do not call Jesus a liar!! V Psa 11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. Psa 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Psa 11:6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. Psa 11:7 For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright. Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom IT RAINED FIRE AND BRIMSTONE FROM HEAVEN, AND DESTROYED THEM ALL. Luk 17:30 EVEN THUS SHALL IT BE IN THE DAY WHEN THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED. Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Luk 17:32 REMEMBER LOT'S WIFE!!!!

[@colinmurphy6000]

@@ada5851 Jhn 2:21But the TEMPLE he had spoken of WAS HIS BODY. Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that DEFILETH the man. Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and DEFILE the man. My sister do not DEFILE yourself, your BODY TEMPLE! Warning! Do not be a hypocrite Christian! James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the DEVIL, and he will flee from you. James 4:8 Draw nigh to GOD, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. V 1Co 3:16 KNOW YE NOT THAT YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, AND THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLETH IN YOU? 1Co 3:17 IF ANY MAN DEFILE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, HIM SHALL GOD DESTROY; FOR THE TEMPLE OF GOD IS HOLY, WHICH TEMPLE "YE ARE" 1Co 3:18 LET NO MAN DECEIVED HIMSELF. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. Rev 21:27 AND THERE SHALL IN NO WISE ENTER INTO IT ANY THING THAT DEFILETH, NEITHER WHATSOEVER WORKETH ABOMINATION, OR MAKETH A LIE: BUT THEY WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE.

[@colinmurphy6000]

@@ada5851 Do not mention Greek to me because Greek is not the native language of the Jews. Revert back to the original language of the Jews, either Hebrew or Aramaic. There is a Jewish community in Greece, they picked up the Greek language in time. Paul was a Hebrew, but Paul wrote his letter in Greek language in order to win the Greek people over to Christ. Universalism and the so called doctrine of inclusion is the biggest lie manufactured by the Devil! The same lie is keeping up from the garden of Eden saying Adam and Eve won't die! Satan is a Liar! 1Ti 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 2Pe 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers ( ROBIN PARRY )also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Jesus teachings overrides everything in scripture, and every book written by mankind on planet earth! Jesus is God! 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Jesus teachings is all about some people being saved, and about some people being lost. Some people will refuse to take the offer of salvation. When Jesus speaks please believe him! Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, DECLARE UNTO US THE PARABLE OF THE TARES OF THE FIELD. Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Jde 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, Jde 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jde 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. Jde 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;Jde 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Jde 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. Jde 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Jde 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. Jde 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:Jde 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.Jde 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jde 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

[@colinmurphy6000]

@@ada5851 Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

[@colinmurphy6000]

@@ada5851 Born again means born of the Spirit, and turning away from sin, being a new creature, old habits passed away, and now living a righteous life. V 1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently;1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away. 1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. 1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

[@codenameheirbornewithrobbi7418]

a universal act of God or work of God does not Universalism make. Universalism is a most disgusting thing that emerges from the pagan idea that man is separated from God because of sin.

[@phaturtha216]

So why did God then need to reconcile things to Himself?

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

A precious gift given universally does not make that gift any less precious. You may want to replace the word you are trying to define there from “universalism” to “religion”.

[@codenameheirbornewithrobbi7418]

@@phaturtha216 maybe start with the law of sin and the law death - but because of the anti-Christ idea that man is separated from God you will never see it. The gospel plan of God from before the foundation of the world was adoption - the adoption of the created physical (non-eternal body and soul) human family into the uncreated spirit Godhead family which required 4 things - creating man in the relational image and likeness of God (like Jesus showed up in relational grace and relational truth), then incarnating into the man, and finally transfiguring and ascending the man. But because of sin the cross event was required to get humanity back onto the path toward adoption. To suggest the plan was the cross event is like suggesting on a journey from say Fl to CA the plan was a wreck and rescue mission - no the plan is adoption - sin required a rescue mission to get humanity back on track - but in the churches pagan gospel narrative, everything became about sin - most have never even heard of the law of sin and the law of death (Rom 8:2) but the uncreated spirit life in Christ has freed me from the law of sin and the law of death. The plan was never about sin - it was about adoption: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed humanity with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen humanity in him before the foundation of the world, that humanity should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated humanity unto the ADOPTION (the mystery now revealed) of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made humanity accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom humanity has redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward humanity in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto humanity the MYSTERY (of adoption) of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him (The Father): 11 In whom also humanity has obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: The churches gospel puts you in a box you can never escape and requires you build a house of cards the size of New York city on a pagan and anti-Christ foundation. The issue was never about whether all of humanity would be included in the plan, but whether people wanted to participate in what they have already been included in. To participate in the Godhead CUDL relationship - or as Paul describes it, relational truth and grace.

[@codenameheirbornewithrobbi7418]

@@Jordan-hz1wr Universalism only emerges from the pagan and anti-Christ frame of man being separated from God because of sin - it is a very nasty thing as are Calvinism and Arminianism which also emerge from that same separation narrative - you do realize there is no New Testament support for the separation theology the church teaches - and in fact one Old Testament verse (Isaiah 59:2) used to support the idea, but even then they have to ignore verse one which is reality while verse two our perception of reality because of sin - like Paul says "alienated in our minds" or Jesus to Paul commissioned to "open our eyes from darkness to the light of our true reality - and they completely ignore verse 16 (Isaiah 59) and following which inform us that Jesus took care of the issue himself : 16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation (see verse one for reference) unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. 17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak. Universalism and religion need to be banished to the dust pile of history - a skubulla if there ever was one.