Dr Zareer Masani | The British Empire Is NOT A National Disgrace | Oxford Union

March 12th, 2020.
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The Motion: This House Believes That The British Empire Is A National Disgrace.
Dr. Zareer Masani: Indian author and historian. He has written numerous popular books about indian history, and the Raj.
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[@toclarify3773]

I was there for this debate. After the debate, the President gave the woman who kept interrupting Dr. Masani a chance to speak. She declined the opportunity to comment.

[@harrybassett9433]

Maybe she just wanted to shout him down so she didn't hear something which upset her? It's commonplace in society today. They seem to forget that the right to free speech means you sometimes have to hear opinions which make you very uncomfortable.

[@EskiLdn]

Funny, she had so much to correct him on but when given the floor decided to remain silent

[@crazyfishmonster459]

Quite obvious they were out just to derail him from a speech containing truths and highly valuable alternative perspectives to the orthodoxy which we have been forcefed.

[@coling3957]

@@harrybassett9433 she was there to use the same old arguments "but what about the Bengal Famine - absolutely not the fault of Japan!?" or "I saw doctor who and an episode PROVED white people are to blame for Partition!" etc :P

[@rockinbillyboy]

She needs to go to the library and get a large book on manners!...these stupid children are being told from a man who knows, an Indian man who is extremely intelligent...and because they don't like what they hear, they try to disrupt and bully. I am glad he did not make way for those woke idiots.

[@colins3688]

i am an indian and i know for a fact that what he is saying is true. doesn't mean that the british were benevolent. but the natives weren't exactly nice people either.

[@zodiacmanan]

Very sweeping statement - its not entirely true. Yes the natives werent nice to each other for a big part. But that does not absolve the Brits.

[@elias_xp95]

@@zodiacmanan No but it doesn't condemn the brits either. Based on todays standards everyone fails. Based on the standards back then, one clearly provides benefit to people more than the other. Progress is incremental, and slow.

[@colins3688]

@@zodiacmanan in what way did my statement absolve the british? did you not read the second sentence?

[@ericfeldkamp3788]

@@colins3688 by failing to speak only the approved utterances in full you have demonstrated an openness of your mind to un-ideas which might lead someone else to not fully speak only the approved utterances. And if that goes on too long, someone might get to thinking the brits aren't pure evil, which might as well be absolving them. Adhere to the minitru guidelines or find yourself the subject of the next two minutes of hate.

[@ericfeldkamp3788]

@young entrepreneur In absolute terms, India's GDP roughly doubled from 1750 to 1950 (It was declining at the end of the Mughal Empire). India fell behind, in relative terms, as a share of the global economy, but that's a period of massive industrialization and rapid GDP growth in Western Europe and North America.

[@iluen]

The Oxford Union has gone to shit, if you can't hold an argument without being interrupted.

[@mercenaryknight5419]

The treatment of this great man shows Oxford has fallen. Sad....... -_-

[@BoggWeasel]

As have the majority of colleges in the USA. Young people looking at and espousing a monochrome, hostile and emotive, cherry-picked one-sided view of history in which there is no acknowledgement or tolerance for shades of grey let alone colour. Aggressively attacking anyone who would ever dare question their "enlightened" limited world view and totally unwilling to listen. Facts know no politics but do go a long way when presenting the truth, no matter how welcome or unwelcome.

[@umnojon]

Multi culturalism seems to have combined with postmodernist concepts like intersectionality to create a reliable and cozy way for anyone who is not white British (other than the brave intellectuals like the speaker) to find "instant moral superiority" inbetween their "insta-gram lifestyles" and I suspect they will have little to no meaningful impact on the present or the future other than to waste their youth and energy getting upset in a time when they could be moving everyone up and on.

[@TheMap1997]

Including Cambridge as well. Seriously, these students are merely children

[@tomAS-27]

A hall full of leftists. The only person I admire is the wise doctor speaking

[@coffeebuzz69]

The whole debate should be published unedited.

[@nikhilswain591]

So that the british oppression and extremisim get some space to hide under these untrue facts. Even god can't trust the britisher in the dark.

[@donkeydesiamericanprofessor]

You can find every speaker on the internet if you really want

[@rashomonsan]

@@donkeydesiamericanprofessor Masani's is the only segment in defence of empire, the three opposed to it are still up.

[@ihategooglealot3741]

Well said - and telling that a number of young white leftist women wanted the india academic to shut up and listen to them tell him about India.

[@futuregoals6718]

Sure million of murders 30+ wars destroying our culture conversations of Hindus into Christians and 15+ famines double taxes cutting fingers of most skilled factory workers destroying our temples looting trillions of pounds denying food and shelter creating division amongst groups creating casts destroying our education system,slavery using indian Soldiers for your wars should be praised just because you gave is trains..little fact the thought that you think we were uncivilized is because Mughals converted Hindus into Islam and thats why the violence and killings started india was the richest country for centuries it went downhill after the invasions and before you say that you say you save our women you should know that the wome used to jump in fire because the islamic rulers used to rape them so to save themselves the did that

[@ihategooglealot3741]

@@futuregoals6718 hogwash, compare and contrast British imperial rule in the subcontinent with the other empires (local and foreign) in an honest way rather than squawking leftist idiocies

[@futuregoals6718]

@@ihategooglealot3741 first you compare and read the real history and next thing I'm not even close to being a leftist I have never ever voted for any leftist party nor support their ideologies 😂

[@ihategooglealot3741]

@@futuregoals6718 you don't have to support the to parrot their idiocies through your laziness, stupidity and ignorance.

[@priteshpjjagani4753]

@@futuregoals6718 Hilarious that artificial intelligence can prove that Sashi tharoor liar Sashi Tharoor false claims at Oxford, debunked with the truth. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGimiGqJZd-rrJY 1. Shashi Tharoor claims: The economic situation of colonies was negatively affected by British colonialism, with India's share of the world economy dropping from 23% to below 4% due to British governance for the benefit of Britain (as per Angus Maddison's estimates). TRUTH: The Indian economy was actually more prosperous under British rule, with investments in infrastructure and the development of modern industry helping to increase GDP per capita. In 1 AD, India's GDP per capita was $450, as was China's. But Italy under the Roman Empire had a per capita income of $809. In 1000 AD, India's per capita income was $450 and China's $466. The average of the West Asian countries, such as Turkey and Iraq, was much higher at $621. In 1500, India’s per capita income was $550 and China’s $600. The UK was not far behind, with a per capita income of $714. By 1600, the Netherlands had a per capita income of $761 and the UK had a per capita income of $974. Recall that 1600 was the year the East India Company was founded. In contrast, India’s per capita income continued to be $550, while China’s was $600. Ireland, one of the poorest of Western Europe’s countries, had a per capita income of $615, higher than India’s and China’s. In 2008, India’s per capita GDP (in 1990 dollars, PPP terms) was $2,975, slightly more than one-third of the world average of $7,614. 2. Shashi Tharoor claims: Britain's industrial revolution was based on the deindustrialization of India, through actions such as breaking the thumbs of handloom weavers and imposing tariffs and duties on Indian cloth TRUTH: William Bolts' 1772 book 'Considerations on India Affairs' claims that in the early years of British East India Company (EIC) rule, some Indian weavers were so mistreated they cut off their own thumbs to avoid being forced into service for the EIC. However, it's important to note that while Bolts was a disgruntled former employee fired for theft and his book is biased against EIC rule, there is still no evidence to suggest that these practices took place under British colonialism. In fact the original text claims that Indians broke their own thumb and Sashi Tharoor is misquoting the book, further admitting that he's never read the original manuscript. Britain's industrial revolution was based on increased productivity and innovation in the manufacturing sector, and not on the deindustrialization of India. Tariffs and duties on Indian cloth were imposed to protect British industry, but were not the primary cause of deindustrialization. 3. Shashi Tharoor claims: Colonialists like Robert Clive looted India for their own gain and purchased political influence in England TRUTH: While Robert Clive was involved in corruption and profiteering, he was not alone in doing so, and his actions were not the primary cause of the economic decline of India. 4. Shashi Tharoor claims: India was already Britain's biggest cash cow by the end of the 19th century and was a source of highly paid employment for British civil servants TRUTH: While India was an important source of revenue for the British, it was not the only source, and British civil servants were not paid higher salaries than other public servants in the British Empire. 5. Shashi Tharoor claims: Wealthy Victorian British families profited from the slave trade and compensation for the abolition of slavery was paid to slave owners, not to those who had suffered from slavery TRUTH: While some British families did benefit from the slave trade, compensation for the abolition of slavery was paid to both slave owners and former slaves. 6. Sashi Tharoor claims 15-29 million Indians died of starvation in British induced famines. TRUTH: Despite millions of Indians dying due to famines during 1830-1850 period, many policies implemented by Britain benefited Indians and increased their quality of life. These include increased agricultural productivity through mechanization and introduction of new crops and famine relief schemes that eradicated famines for 40 years until 1943 and prevented famines after 1947 Independence. 7. Shashi Tharoor claims: Winston Churchill caused the deaths of 4 million people during the Bengal famine of WWII through diverting essential supplies from civilians to European stockpiles TRUTH: The Bengal famine was primarily caused by natural factors such as extreme weather and political mismanagement. While Churchill did impose export embargos on Indian grain, these were not the primary cause of the famine. 8. Sashi Tharoor claims British Empire's wealth was financed by its depredations in India TRUTH: Despite colonialists like Robert Clive looting India for their own gain and purchasing political influence in England, many British families made donations to Indian charities and social causes as well as supported public welfare initiatives during British rule in India. 9. Sashi Tharoor claims the British Empire's attitude towards India was exploitative, with colonialists like Robert Clive being referred to as if they belonged to the country when they only ensured that much of the country belonged to them. TRUTH: Despite British colonialism and underlying attitude towards colonial subjects being exploitative, many elderly people embraced the changes brought by Britain and found employment in fields such as trade and industry, while enlightened minds were inspired by thought provoking methodology that eventually elevated concepts like freedom from oppression. 10. Sashi Tharoor claims William Ewart Gladstone Former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and his family who is celebrated by the Oxford Union benefited from the discomfort of Indians. TRUTH: Despite British colonialism having a negative economic impact on colonies and India's share of global economy drastically dropping due to British governance, many policies implemented by Britain during its rule were beneficial for the people of India. These included businesses flourishing under lower taxes, increased agricultural productivity through mechanization and introduction of new crops, promotion of education in vernacular languages as well as English language and literature, construction of infrastructure such as roads & railways which made transportation faster & more efficient etc.

[@Sawise92]

This is possibly the first time students have heard a different opinion without being able to shout them down. Are they ok? Did the safe spaces work?

[@sorencorreia6872]

Hey my guy this entire channel is literally dedicated to debate with rules. Like this entire channel is dedicated to different opinions. Them asking points of interest and shit is normal for this forum so no this isn’t the first time they’re hearing different opinions.

[@BANKO007]

University (at least a proper one) should NEVER be a safe space. Safe space is literally the antithesis of university.

[@coling3957]

@@sorencorreia6872 you sound university educated, and shit... :D

[@bartconnolly6104]

@@sorencorreia6872 They had no interest in points of information if when given the opportunity AFTER they declined to comment at all! they clearly just wanted to disrupt.

[@RealRavi]

@@sorencorreia6872 not when the points of order and questions are meant to filibuster and interrupt the speaker to the point where they can’t get their points across. This should be obvious.

[@michaeltadrous9234]

I like how everyone was quiet when the other girls spoke but now everyone wants to interrupt him. This moderator is so biased and ridiculous.

[@harrybassett9433]

Have a look at the video of the intelligent unwashed disrupting a speech by Jacob Rees-Mogg in Bristol a while ago to see how these cretins handle opposing opinions.

[@BANKO007]

Feminist privilege.

[@zodiacmanan]

They are allowed to ask questions and point out inconsistencies. Every debate has this. Just because it happens, doesnt mean it is wrong.

[@ifanmorgan8070]

@@zodiacmanan True, but the opposing side was clearly heckling the speaker and the moderator was encouraging it.

[@stevengruber57]

@Sawyer But it is absolutely typical of woke leftists. Every time someone starts arguing against the leftist ideology I absolutely expect a load and angry response while they are still making their argument. It wouldn't be tolerated if it was the other way round.

[@JesusFriedChrist]

“SILENCE, Woke Wench!” -Based Indian Gentleman

[@dominickroberts4653]

That was well said.

[@backupaccount8731]

As an Indian I agree with this wise man. Why else did so many Indians fight for the Empire during WW1 and 2

[@agrajyadav2951]

@@backupaccount8731 cuz gandhi said so

[@allinonetube3387]

@@agrajyadav2951 typical goberandus illiterate

[@vibhorejaiswal2997]

Wise indian 🤣 He is one of those so called traitors in India who think partition happened bcoz of hindus. He is just a stone pelter within a suit.

[@drunkenork5373]

The expression of leftists when their poisonous world view is challenged by facts is priceless. Well done Dr Masani!

[@ukie713]

This is clearly a revisionist version. While I do acknowledge the existence of a lot superstition and caste related practices which I condemn so many parts of India such as Kerala, Tamil Nadu had independent of the British throne over thrown such practices. The infrastructures such as damns and railway lines constructed was purely used to loot India's natural resources because most of the mines and fields used for textile cultivation where towards India's geographic center. The infrastructure merely enabled them to get these resources to the ports. If you think they were benevolent with the labourers you probably hit your head a few times too many. Similarly the civil servants were needed to enable cheaper officers to the alternative which is British citizen working in India which would cost the crown significantly for expenses for officers working over seas. The amount of looting that had taken place should be looked into by these revisionists. So next time you lot are preaching about white man's burden do look into the context behind it and hope you would be able to understand the racist overtures associated with it. You have not left India better of. If you indeed did leave India better off ask yourself why such performance wasn't repeated at various African colonies. Edit:excuse the typos.

[@sagarpaul4353]

@@ukie713 facts

[@user-re9gl8os6n]

The railway's cost was exorbitant compared with what was being built elsewhere such as in the British colonies Canada and Australia. It was double the cost but the cost was borne entirely by India whilst the contracts were given to the Brits by the Brits. The railway was not a gift to India India paid for that - rather it was implemented to more quickly transfer raw materials to the Brits who then manufactured goods that were sold at extraordinary prices to India. Indians were not allowed to manufacture those goods. This is another way in which the Brits enriched themselves. British education my foot. When you entered India, it was producing 24% of world trade. When you were kicked out, that was reduced to 3% or so. Where was your education used. Well, it was used by the few to assist the Brits to rule India. India had leadership position in mathematics, made the first gunpowder artillery that was used. You called the decimal system invented in India as the Arabic-Hindu system whilst the Arabs themselves called it the Indian system. You think that Newton first recognized that there was a force between bodies, such as that apple that brought sense to Newton. But the Arab writer had stated that the Hindus said a force existed between a body and earth which he said he was recording but not convinced of it. (But Newton, with the help of others did give a calculation for that force). Bose was a remarkable Indian who in vented Bose Statistics which the Brits refused to print in their scholarly Journal because it was not right. But when the same was sent to Einstein, that work was translated into German and published and so today we have Bose-Einstein statistics. Sati started as a reaction to the rape that the muslims practised upon the conquered. So Hindu women prefer death by fire rather than being raped by the muslims. When you are glib about your contribution to India, be reminded that the development of Britain was made upon the hardship you implemented in foreign lands, particularly in India. Indians and dogs were not allowed in places as per posted notices. This tells what you think of Indians. This is all history. And we will never forget it.

[@drunkenork5373]

@@user-re9gl8os6n This is the often-cited Indian paradise myth, the myth being India was a technological and economic powerhouse before the Brits came in and ruined it. It's nonsense. India wasn't even a country. Some of your list of things above are true. But let's not pretend India was a paradise. You had a caste system, You burned widows alive. Many Indians lived in abject poverty (and still do despite India having independence for half a century now) Many of the more rural parts of India had never been touched by technology, many living in the dark ages technology wise. The Brits were far from perfect but lets not keep pretending India was a paradise. The Brits helped put India on the map in the modern world, we built your infrastructure. Whether our motives were entireley pure or not, its there and you can use it. We brought vaccinations that you didn't have. We brought India into the modern world. Also, why do people like you never criticise the Mugal Empire which dominated India before the British? Ask yourself that. Seeing Indians complaining about the British is like me complaining about the Romans, We didn't even have the Aquaduct before the Romans came.

[@ukie713]

@@drunkenork5373 Mr Ork, are you drunk in real life as well? We don't criticize the Mughals because unlike the British they assimilated and form part of India today. While I do acknowledge the role British had in removing some social evils like Sati there were plenty of Indian activists advocating for such a law to be implemented. If the British were so considerate how come steps werent taken to abolish the caste system then. Remember British ruled India for almost hundred years officially and more unofficially. Please do research more on famines caused in India due to the poor British rule in India when they wouldn't allow Indian farmers to cultivate food crops and forced them to cultivate textile along with cash crops. And let's not pretend that British rule absolutely helped India with its poverty issue. We can only build overselves on what was left. So before you come preaching about your white supremacy do your research you donut.

[@owenphelps7290]

The irony of a white woman trying to overtalk/silence an Indian historian regarding his own culture's history is simply staggering. Old habits die hard it seems.

[@himanshusharma7877]

🤣 this historian is as much of an indian as Churchill

[@PAX777]

@@himanshusharma7877 Continue to wallow in your delusion. The truth is a bitter pill for the likes of you to swallow. Dr Masani is 100% spot on about this aspect of Indian history.

[@aalan4296]

@@himanshusharma7877 say whatever you want to say but you might not be here today if the practice of suttee had been allowed to continue, or burying alive unwanted female babies.

[@RonSill1986]

​@@himanshusharma7877 he's more Indian than tharoor

[@himanshusharma7877]

@@PAX777 only westerners are delusional about india cope hard and you will need to cope even harder in the future 😂

[@redillusion]

This guy is a fucking savage. His argument's power grows with every "NO"

[@ericfeldkamp3788]

The irony of a bunch of privileged woke white kids objecting to how an Indian scholar feels about his own history. And growing more offended that he isn't interested in having them correct him.

[@odiedodieuk]

@@ericfeldkamp3788 I was going to try counter you... but you’re pretty spot on lol

[@arpanmalakar11]

@@ericfeldkamp3788 he is British

[@ericfeldkamp3788]

@@arpanmalakar11 You may be surprised to hear this, but there are a lot of Indians that are also British. He is the son of Minoo Masani, a former MP of India, and scholar on Indian History. The label "Indian Scholar" fits him both in terms of ancestral origin and academic work.

[@arpanmalakar11]

@@ericfeldkamp3788 the indians in uk are not indians anymore, for us pure indians, they just become another subjects and their citizenship is already banned by the Indians. That's why we hate the Indian origin Brits. You might be surprised to hear this but that's the truth.

[@harryboi8485]

Stop interrupting the man. Why is it fashionably liberal to silence the opposition of the debate nowadays.

[@odiedodieuk]

Because they’re “right” moral good people - as they see it.

[@katielain6519]

@@odiedodieuk I think perhaps, morally challenged.

[@zodiacmanan]

It happens in every debate - as the moderator said, it is allowed. So ...

[@elias_xp95]

@@zodiacmanan Yet one side let the other speak politely, the other shouted over them. Ill let you guess who was courteous and polite.

[@profelderflower]

Points of information are standard in competitive debates. Members of the other side are allowed to interrupt and he's allowed to say no. The fact that he didn't offer any points during THEIR speeches despite his alleging that their facts and numbers are wrong and their points are biased tells me he wasn't interested in facing any real challenge.

[@Pan472]

I just saw videos of Oxford debates from 7 years ago and compared to now, you can see the absolute degradation.

[@prowled]

"points of order can be made and are allowed".... Listen here, if someone gets a no 9 times... from the same person, then that person is interupting the debate. Should i perhaps raise my arm randomly 10, 20 or 100 times in every subject. After all i am just asking a question. This person had a message that you so liberally tried to make difficult that i had problem swallowing that feeble explanation. Se how his hands are shaking trying to make a point, who do you people think will get sympathy online? The message should be to the crowd "you may ask for points of order, but you may not harass the speaker".

[@EskiLdn]

Agree'd

[@lalaholland5929]

Well said!

[@lalaholland5929]

Sorry, what is a point of order?

[@ericfeldkamp3788]

@@lalaholland5929 In general (not sure of Oxford Union's specific rules): Properly, it's a statement about the rules of discussion or debate, and may be raised at any time. A point of order is supposed to be handled immediately by the presiding officer. In practice it's abused to make a subjective comment the speaker wouldn't be allowed by the rules to make at that time. The point of order is handled by the presiding officer stating that it is not a valid point of order and business continues. What should be offered is a point of information (a comment or question from the opposing team), which a speaker may or may not accept. Most rules require the PoI to come from an opposing debater, but OU may allow the body to make them as well (again, I don't know their rules).

[@davidsilverfield835]

Agreed

[@aaronhitchcock3904]

Out of all languages he chose to speak facts

[@eddiehockley4144]

@Rohan Dick Yes well said, what did Britain ever give India apart from democracy and the railway system which dragged them out of the middle ages and gave mobility to millions for the first time ever. obviously.

[@dwaipayanroychowdhury7035]

@@eddiehockley4144 Not to mention immunization, modern medicine, colleges and universities(though those things have gone to shit now), rule of law, a social structure which enabled many to move up the social ladder nad improve their material life. Other European powers deserve some credit too.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

@Rohan Dick As for Churchill, that man is no Saint either. That's for sure. But famines happened earlier too. This famine was the result of a War. If the War didn't happen then famines wouldn't have happened too. The food supplies were being taken for the soldiers. If you remember there were Indian soldiers (Indian+ Pakistani+ Bangladeshi) too who had volunteered for the War.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

@@dwaipayanroychowdhury7035 It's Basically European colonisation. If the British didn't came, then the French would have, or might be Portuguese, Dutch or Spanish.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

@Rohan Dick Now, as for Churchill, he surely was not a Saint but he already talked about the Bengal famine. It was in the middle of WW2. The rice supplies were being taken for the soldiers in the fronts and there were about two million Indian soldiers who had volunteered to fight for the allies. Holding by Indian merchants and the Japanese occupation of Burma was to be blamed for it since it had cut off the rice supplies. You are so blinded by hatred and brainwashed that you can't even listen to a bit of what he said.

[@kimberleygirl7533]

An educated and wonderful man…well said sir.🇦🇺 I have a great love of India

[@ravivyas7532]

Brits always loved India but hated Indians

[@andylee4046]

One of the finest speeches I have ever heard. What a credit to this man; common sense and factual history.

[@paololuckyluke2854]

Dr Zareer Masani would make a better PM than most Tories.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

His father had been an MP in India.

[@dcompany5240]

He is a terrorist😂

[@n13nhb]

I bet the woman in the black dress is a teacher 🙄

[@nigelsheppard625]

She needs to learn patience and manners.

[@khfan4life365]

It always boggles my mind that people blame Churchill for a famine that happened during a world war, where everyone was suffering. He had his hands full with trying to keep Britain and the rest of the empire safe from Nazis who were destroying England. I’m sure that he would have acted quicker if his people weren’t living in subway stations and were living with fears of invasion and death. The sad thing is everyone was malnourished during that time because food was rationed. I remember seeing pictures of British kids during the war and many looked gaunt and small.

[@zoronewbie2759]

and what bout the one's in west bengal?

[@dlarge6502]

And the entire theory is based on a warped understanding of a few accusations made in a single book written by a non-historian!

[@chaarithadheerasinghe8044]

I see you have videos of all 3 speakers form the other side, but only 1 from the opposition. We want the whole thing guys!

[@Litterbugtaylor]

That was the entire thing, remain upset with your biases being unfulfilled.

[@Whoami691]

@@Litterbugtaylor 'your biases being unfulfilled' That's funny coming from the echo chamber.

[@Litterbugtaylor]

Remain upset

[@Whoami691]

@@Litterbugtaylor I'm not upset, but you clearly are.

[@Litterbugtaylor]

Says the one coming crying and calling it and echo chamber.

[@smithswilliams9116]

Well done sir Thank you so much for defending Great Britain ❤🧡🧡❤ As an Afro- British person. Iam so proud Great Britain. 🧡🧡❤❤❤.

[@kingbread5808]

Thank you for the support man. “British weren’t alone….French….Spanish….German….Japanese….Everyone….Even Indians themselves.”

[@smithswilliams9116]

@Rohan Dick Rohan i appreciate you might be feeling disappointed. No one is defending colonisation. I wish to make it very clear. Iam grateful to be an Afro- British person. And really proud of the people of this land. Best country in the world ❤💜💥 That said your comment is lengthy and I wish I had all the time to put down all the Data and facts not merely from wikipedia or hearsay. But authentic sources. My naive question is when did India gain her independence from Great Britain? Are people still suffering and starving today without the British involvement? Who is the biggest donor of grants to india without strings attached? ( British government and British people). How many Indians have gained there education like Doctors in the NHS through British taxpayers money ie student loans, grants and commonwealth scholarships. In the 20th century and 21st century. Corruption in India are you still going to blame the British for that. Arranged marriages and forced marriages in India? Plus discrimination among the dark toned indians. Human rights abuse? Income in inequality? Please do not blame the British for snippets of what happened years ago and has got rectified even beyond. I kindly request you join me in being grateful to the one Decent country on planet earth ( Great Britain ) 💥💜💥❤ The Gentleman was telling the truth ❤❤💜❤💜 Oooo i forgot Indians tried forced labour on East Africans. Please let me know how i can email you Data, Graphs, and articles etc.Thanks for your understanding GOD BLESS OUR QUEEN 🏌️‍♀️💜💜💜

[@pramit8903]

@@smithswilliams9116 i agree that corruption and poverty today is independent india's fault, but you cannot deny that poverty was brought in india by british and britain is built hugely by looted money from india

[@MrWelshwilly]

@Rohan Dick your surname is apt just follow it with a HEAD and its spot on!

[@eshaansarkar2017]

I am an Indian and I completely agree with this man and also respect the British Empire but call it United Kingdom or just Britain. Calling Great Britain is a disrespect to Northern Ireland.

[@zianazmul]

Every nation's history has disgraceful elements. Just check what the Maratha Empire did in Bengal before the Brits came.

[@1Nonlyghostboi]

death toll during maratha invasion is nowhere matches to bengal famine and in maratha bengal scenario both are natives who fighting no foreigner

[@RifleEyez]

@@1Nonlyghostboi You can't really hold the British exclusively responsible for the Bengal famine though. Famines existed before the British, and well...on this occasion, there was a very minor, small thing - a literal World War which had the Japanese on the border in Burma/Myanmar - occurring at the same time, along with a cyclone so bad it receives it's own Wikipedia page. Also there was a major harvest failure in 1942, and globally things weren't much better - IIRC the price of grain was up 5000%. Basically, it was a series of events that eventually culminated in the famine. Yes the British aren't absolved of blame, but no they're not the only ones responsible, nor did they just say ''oh well fuck it we will do nothing". Just shows how history is pretty grey. Also I'd argue you state fighting no foreigner, however that wasn't really how it was seen - often different princely states would fight with the British and work with them to overcome other princedoms. The concept of the subcontinent uniting was sort of there, but to look at it like India v India isn't completely accurate.

[@1Nonlyghostboi]

@@RifleEyez famines are natural and they have occured in other parts of india too but the death toll was never so severe cause people used to store food but britishers forced farmers of bengal and bihar to grow cashcrops like opium and indigo instead of food crop Also indigo makes soil unsuitable for other crops to grow The little food that was stored by farmers of other places were supplied to british soldiers who fighting for war in which india had no role

[@RifleEyez]

​@@1Nonlyghostboi "in which india had no role" yes, I'm sure the Japanese would have turned around at the border. If you think the British were bad it's lucky the Japanese were stopped at the border by Indian, British and Commonwealth soldiers. "the Japanese resorted to considerable atrocities, and after their victory stopped rice exports from the Burma and ordered many farmers to switch from rice to cotton and other crops. The Japanese conquest of Burma created an immediate and serious crisis for several parts of India. On the west coast, Bombay was faced with living on less than three-quarters of its usual grain supplies. Cochin, with a population of 1.5 million, normally imported 60 percent of the rice it required, mainly from Burma. Travancore imported a smaller but still substantial share for a population of six million. Both states faced sudden shortages and rapidly rising prices. Their governments imposed price controls, but the merchants and producers evaded these." In terms of your other points I think it is a little simplistic. The Midnapur cyclone destroyed around 1.5 million tons of Rice, and Bengal ordinarily produced only about 10-15 million tons - and that is the highest estimate. Also, the plant disease "helminthosporium oryzae" had a large impact on crops that year, as did the unusual weather - high rainfall in September, cloud in November, with low sunshine hours compared to 1941, 43 and 44. There was hording of foodstuffs in other provinces along with misreporting of stock - Merchants often held foodstuffs in other provinces to raise prices which did occur frequently (remember, the British didn't fully administrate every province), causing many issues especially with 100,000's of refugees fleeing West from the Japanese. "(helminthosporium oryzae) - If these yields were even reasonably representative of the effects of the plant disease on the crops, they would imply that the 1942 aman harvest, normally responsible for more than two-thirds of total rice availability in Bengal, fell to half of the previous year’s level, which would have reduced the total rice availability for Bengal in 1942-1943 to two-thirds of the previous year’s level. Since the aus harvest was also partly affected by the disease, the total availability may have been even less" Additionally, some further information - "By the 1930s, according to Husain, Bengal was already a deficit province, dependent on imports from other provinces and Burma for its margin of subsistence" Burma - the number 1 rice producing area on the planet at that point, which became a warzone. "The partial crop failure in 1940-1941 had already depleted most reserves, Husain argues, and most people began eating the rice crop of 1941-42 in January 1942, rather than in April as was customary. Bengalis thus had no substantial carryover and by eating the new harvest early were reducing their reserves for the end of the year. By the end of 1942, Husain argues, the remainder of the 1941-1942 harvest was mostly consumed, and people again began eating the new harvest immediately"

[@1Nonlyghostboi]

@@RifleEyez japan did not stop rice emports to india india bought rice but that rice never reached poor people because british administators diverted rice supplies and made rest very expensive Bengal was not as deficet as yasmeen is claiming bengal famine ended because 1944 had a good rice harvest

[@michaeltadrous9234]

As an Egyptian, I think my opinion here might be of value. Egypt was under British rule in the early 20th century. I can tell you right now that the British were no friends and they were known for their quite brutal leadership style. However, to discuss any history, we must separate the sin from the sinner. While the British empire’s history is by no means flawless, like every other civilization, to undermine its achievements as a civilization by calling it shameful is ignorant at best and absolutely stupid at worst.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

In the British Empire, every colony's case was peculiar. As for India, I am glad that they came.

[@user-qw6nj9ez9f]

@@eshaansarkar2017 India was not a country as It is now. Me I belong Panjab now part of Pakistan and India. I do not know In which state of India you born. We were way better than any other empires in the Indian subcontinent. Hindus Sikhs Muslims were living together but the arrival of British first destroyed the empire and then by applying "Divide and Rule policy" it also destroyed the friendship, solidarity, brotherhood among the people from different communities. In result, Pakistan got created and massacre of 1947 took place where million of people died and displaced. So you cannot say "As for India, I am glad they came." You can talk about your state or the king who was ruling on your ancestors. But don't talk about all India because there were many empires (states) were living happily by maintaining the peace. As for Panjab, I feel sad that they came and destroyed a very vibrant empire (country).

[@eshaansarkar2017]

@@user-qw6nj9ez9f as for me, I am from Kolkata

[@Pudin-kc2oz]

@@eshaansarkar2017 glad they came??you sure??if they hadn't come jailanwala bagh would never have happened nor would all the wars which led to so many indians dying I guess you wouldn't be glad if your parents died in the jallianwala bagh.

[@garrywynne1218]

@@Pudin-kc2oz - if the British hadn’t of course come , you’d have ended up with the French. To see real genocide in action you merely have to look at Algeria and Indo China. The British acquired “ India” by way of defeating the French in what was then a World War against the French , Dutch and Spaniards. “ India” itself as a political entity and was ruled by a multitude of competing groups and Princely States. They made up the bulk of “ India” until the British left in 47. Over half of the landmass was run directly by “Indians” with the balance run by Indians under the tutelage of British Administrators. Even at its height in the 1920’s fewer than 120000 European Britons lived there and over half were British Army units stationed in India. That’s for over 4.2 million square miles excluding Sri Lanka and Myanmar. The point is that given the disparities in people numbers the British could not have ruled by strength alone. It needed the active participation of what became Indians ,Pakistani and Bengalis.

[@scatton61]

Wow.... good for him.... look what happens when knowledge doesn't agree with critical race theory

[@BANKO007]

Facts are true by definition. Critical race theory is a pack of intentionally hate-mongering lies, pretty much by definition too.

[@ksat8602]

🤔...smh🤷‍♂️🙄😆🤣. Really?🤷‍♂️#stagingtoensnare

[@pneron2032]

Entitled white leftists shouting him down.

[@Woodchuck799]

critical race theory is the funniest talking point the right wing has come up with so far

[@kordellswoffer1520]

@@Woodchuck799 in fairness the left have had their fair share, like Donald trump is racist or working with the russians or evil or sexist etc. There one thing the left does better then everyone else and that's being stupid, it like a talent.

[@samuelwee1898]

Oh well done and well argued, Dr Masani. I am from Singapore, a former British colony. I can safely say that so much of our modern infrastructure was splendidly constructed on the historical groundwork laid during nearly 150 years of colonial administration. Objectively, our own leaders have acknowledged the British to have been "60% good and 40% bad." Certainly a lot less vicious than the Japanese Occupation of just 3.5 years.

[@drstrangelove4998]

And the British rid the Japanese too, from those countries.

[@uioplkhj]

@@drstrangelove4998 Not really.

[@kagenlim5271]

Agreed

[@The_Christian_Cavalier]

Singapore has done really well.

[@EzraMerr]

​@@drstrangelove4998Nit Singapore, they got decimated because the french failed to protect Malaysia. Hong Kong was also run on by the Imperial Japanese

[@Dom-ny7vh]

He's the biggest man in that room

[@thehistoadian]

Awesome to see some people with common sense! Obnoxious people trying to interrupt my man speaking nothing but facts!

[@Butterflylion1]

So rude it was his turn

[@ChampChamp2024]

Disgusting trying to tell a Indian, what he should feel and be angry.

[@anyanyanyanyanyany3551]

I'm not defending colonialism by any means, but considering colonial empires as a whole, the british empire was less brutal compared to say the dutch or belgian colonial empires.

[@jerichoakbar2296]

What???

[@eshaansarkar2017]

India wouldn't have existed if they didn't colonise.

[@purav3585]

Yes that's right But it was not a boon for colonies either

[@yeetdragon1629]

@@jerichoakbar2296 depends on the colonies and to what metrics for instance here in Australia along with canada and new Zealand are functioning democratic nations with high standards of living and large personal freedom's

[@NaSaSh1087]

@@yeetdragon1629 these are are the ex colonies where the colonizers are higher in number than the natives, it will be better if examples of non white colonies.

[@12redwine]

Good for this man to speak up and be heard!

[@pneron2032]

With white leftists trying to shout him down.

[@Paul-hl8yg]

@Rohan Dick Where are you from? What nation are you from?

[@adibzinnurine7917]

@@Paul-hl8yg Rohan Dickhead is from Maharashtra, India.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

@Rohan Dick Now, as for Churchill, he surely was not a Saint but he already talked about the Bengal famine. It was in the middle of WW2. The rice supplies were being taken for the soldiers in the fronts and there were about two million Indian soldiers who had volunteered to fight for the allies. Holding by Indian merchants and the Japanese occupation of Burma was to be blamed for it since it had cut off the rice supplies. You are so blinded by hatred and brainwashed that you can't even listen to a bit of what he said.

[@eclectic2052]

Rubbish

[@maambomumba6123]

He did well to not give way to the heckling opponent. Thanks Dr. Masani.

[@samuelfriden]

We need more people like him today!

[@patriciachadwick5658]

Bravo, sir for standing your ground. Shame on the rude, entitled ones who tried to ambush you.

[@goneaway9185]

They were definitely vegans.

[@Saarthak12]

The 'rude' ones know the truth about the Empire.

[@MrVanalen]

Yes cancel culture shouting him down,so lucky they live in the uk to be allowed to say such awful things about our amazing country. Facts Facts Facts🙏🏼

[@kingbread5808]

He spitting facts

[@comradeschnitzelstein7177]

Oswald Mosely was based

[@MrVanalen]

@@kingbread5808 Your well educated your diction is to be applauded 😂

[@MrVanalen]

@@comradeschnitzelstein7177 your diction is outstanding i can tell you had a good education👍

[@MrVanalen]

@@Lordveer what?

[@ParagonRex]

God bless Dr. Zareer Masani for telling the truth, it is sad day when native British need a lesson in how great they were from others. Sad state of the UK

[@nikhilswain591]

How great they were in stealing others assests, using poor indian's for their wars, atrocious behaviour with indian handloom workers, from chopping their fingers to destroying their mills. By the way INDIA will never forget that britishers still owe india 45 trillion dollars which i think they can't Pay in Centuries.

[@iamduck.203]

Amen

[@KiatHuang]

Well said

[@RoyalRegimentofScotland]

It's unfortunate our students are indoctrinated to hate our own history and scorn our ansestors they're only taught the worst aspects but are never taught of our nations incredible victories or the good this nation did for the world

[@riyadougla539]

Well said. Totally agree.

[@juliandenormanville5225]

This is my kind of bloke Not scared of standing up and telling THE truth

[@priteshpjjagani4753]

Sashi Tharoor, an Indian politician and historian, has been criticized for his hypocrisy in condemning the Indian soldiers and General Reginald Dyer who were responsible for the Jallianwala Bagh massacre in Amritsar in 1919, where a number of unarmed Indian civilians were killed, while not condemning the Indian rebel soldiers who were responsible for the Satti Chaura Ghat massacre in Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh, in 1857, where Indian civilians and British men, women and children were killed. The Jallianwala Bagh massacre in Amritsar in 1919 was a tragic event in which Indian soldiers in the British Indian army, under the command of General Reginald Dyer, killed a number of unarmed Indian civilians. The crowd had gathered in violation of martial law and had been involved in rioting and attacking the Indian army soldiers prior to the shooting. The number of deaths and the aftermath of the shooting is a matter of historical debate. Sashi Tharoor, an Indian politician and historian, has been criticized for making false claims about the event. Another tragic event that occurred during this time was the Satti Chaura Ghat massacre in Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh. This event, which took place in 1857, saw Indian soldiers killing Indian civilians who were seen as loyal to the British, as well as British men, women, and children. The Indian soldiers killed the hostages, including women and children, after the British refused to accept the mutineers' demands. This incident is considered one of the most brutal of the rebellion and had a significant impact on British public opinion at the time. It is important to note that the rebellion was not a unified movement, and there were instances of Indian soldiers and civilians fighting against the rebellion and supporting the British. The rebellion was ultimately suppressed by the British army, but it had a profound impact on the country, leading to significant changes in British policies and administration in India. However, it is worth noting that Tharoor has been criticized for not condemning the Satti Chaura Ghat massacre despite his condemnation of the Jallianwala Bagh massacre.

[@juliandenormanville5225]

@@priteshpjjagani4753 Most informative.Thankyou..Tharoor strikes me as rather in love with himself as well as one eyed in his view of so vast a d complex a subject.

[@priteshpjjagani4753]

@@juliandenormanville5225 The truth about the British divide and rule policy showing evidence that the British came to India in the early 1600s maybe 1608 but didn't govern all of India until 1818, so the British did not rule India for four centuries. the truth section about taxes, showing that under the maratha there were special types of taxes 25% and 15% which were significantly higher than the 1% 2% 4% imposed by the British and further explain that 99% of the taxes collected in India remained in India for the benefit of Indians. The speaker states that caste discrimination is still practiced in India and will never go away because it is thousands of years old. TRUTH: While caste discrimination has been a long-standing issue in India, it is illegal in India and efforts have been made to reduce discrimination and promote social mobility. They mention that Sati (a practice of widow immolation) was only followed in Bengal province and was abolished by Raja Ram Mohan Roy through educating people in panchayats (a democratic system established in India in the 4th century). TRUTH: While Sati was primarily associated with Bengal, it was abolished by the British government in 1829, not by Raja Ram Mohan Roy through panchayats. They argue that India's civilization stopped for 4 centuries under British rule, and that India needs western education to modernize. TRUTH: India had a rich history and culture prior to British colonization, and while British rule had negative impacts on India, it also introduced new ideas and technologies. Additionally, India has made significant progress in terms of modernization and development since gaining independence in 1947. They mention that religious riots were started by the British through their "divide and rule" policy. TRUTH: While the British did use a divide and rule strategy to maintain control over their colonies, it is not accurate to say that they started religious riots. Tensions between different religious groups existed before British rule and have continued after independence. They credit 30 million Indian soldiers for helping the British survive the Nazis. TRUTH: India did contribute a significant number of soldiers to the British army during World War II, however, it is not accurate to say that these soldiers helped the British survive the Nazis. The war was fought on multiple fronts and the outcome was determined by the actions of multiple nations. Additionally, before World War II, the Indian army was 200,000 soldiers but 2 million volunteered to fight in World War II, including 1 million Indian soldiers who fought against the Japanese in Burma and Calcutta to protect India from Japanese invasion. They argue that British colonialism negatively impacted India's economy, as India's GDP was 23% of the world's GDP in the mid-18th century when the British came, but only 3% when they left. TRUTH: India's GDP as a proportion of the world's GDP has fluctuated over time and it is not accurate to say that it was 23% in the mid-18th century and only 3% when the British left. Additionally, the impact of British colonialism on India's economy is complex and debated. While it did extract resources and wealth from India, it also created new economic opportunities and markets. The GDP actually grew exponentially under the British but the rest of the world modernized, industrialized, and grew even faster. They mention the system of zamindary, where Indian farmers had to pay taxes, with 10 parts going to the British and 1 part going to local rulers, as a reason for India's poverty. TRUTH: The system of zamindari, where landlords were responsible for collecting taxes from tenants, was abolished in India after independence in 1947. The system did contribute to poverty and inequality, however, it is not accurate to say that 10 parts of the taxes went to the British and only 1 part went to local rulers. They note that the British Empire's economy was heavily dependent on India's rich and fertile land. TRUTH: India did contribute a significant portion of the British Empire's economy, however, it was not the only colony or source of wealth for the British Empire. They mention that many Indians who work in the BBC have become "anti-national They mention that many Indians who work in the BBC have become "anti-national" and that the British media does not accurately portray Indian history. TRUTH: There is no evidence to support the claim that Indians working in the BBC are "anti-national" or that the British media does not accurately portray Indian history. The speaker concludes by expressing frustration about the "trillions looted," "millions of lives lost," and other negative impacts of British colonialism on India. TRUTH: The extent of wealth and resources extracted from India by the British during colonization, as well as the number of lives lost as a result of British actions, is a matter of historical debate and interpretation. While it is acknowledged that there were negative consequences for India during British rule, the specific numbers and extent of the impact are not agreed upon by all historians. Regarding the Bengal Famine, it is true that low crop yield from previous years had a domino effect on the famine in 1942, and that the October cyclone and flood destroyed 50-75% of the rice crops. Additionally, most deaths during the famine were caused by disease, such as dysentery, diarrhea, malaria, and cholera, which were spread by the flood and poor sanitation. Many of the deaths were also among refugees who had fled from Burma and encamped in Bengal or Calcutta. However, it is also true that Indian landlords hoarded rice and Indian merchants participated in war profiteering and speculation, inflating prices for rice. It is also true that Gandhi, Patel, Nehru, and Azad did not send any food to aid in the famine, and that it was primarily the British, Australians and Winston Churchill who sent enough food to eradicate the Bengal famine in just one year. Churchill sent a Famine and Relief Committee and the new viceroy at the time was Lord Wavell. !

[@priteshpjjagani4753]

@@juliandenormanville5225 I don't know why these Indians are so ignorant about their own Indian history. Believing propaganda doesn't help them they don't learn from their mistakes and Shashi tharoor is worse than Hitler

[@priteshpjjagani4753]

@@juliandenormanville5225 go to KZbin channel donkey Desi American professor and check out some videos

[@Strider9655]

Hold on lads, this one's got an opinion, someone call security........

[@robbieshaw3338]

Britannia rule the waves

[@paololuckyluke2854]

This moderator is an absolute disgrace. “You are allowed to ask questions, so keep asking them”!! Imagine if that’s how they behaved in Parliament! You can request permission to ask a question, and if that is declined, that’s it. You are not allowed to constantly interrupt someone so that he runs out of time before being able to say what he has planned to say. That, incidentally, shows how much the wokists fear rational opposition.

[@animo5445]

Oh, the irony here😂. Turning down questions and anyone questioning it is "fearing rational opposition"..

[@paololuckyluke2854]

@@animo5445 The questions can come once he has finished what he has to say. Constant interruptions are just attempts to sabotage his speech.

[@ARyan-yk9qh]

@@paololuckyluke2854 - Correct. It is part of proper decorum to not interrupt people when they are speaking, and wait your turn to ask questions either at the end of the conversation, or at an appropriate break in the conversation.

[@colindtrix2927]

@@paololuckyluke2854 that's not how it works, watch other oxford union speeches also other people have right criticism. Anyway, I'm with Dr zareer masani.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

"No, I am in a point of Information, you may learn some information"🤣

[@ethus0538]

cant believe people tried to stop him, hes giving another point of view to an argument, isnt that what a debate is about???

[@englishalan222]

PROUD TO BE BRITISH.

[@amartyabiswas9871]

You mean proud to be a baboon 🤣🤣

[@englishalan222]

@@amartyabiswas9871 Rather that than an Indian

[@englishalan222]

@@amartyabiswas9871 their more intelligent

[@josa5112]

@@englishalan222 come on bro. You’re talking down on Indians while commenting on a video of an Indian man defending the British empire. Smh

[@dylanmurphy9389]

@@josa5112 the fact he says “rather that” (talking about ethnicity) would suggest that an Indian was being racist to him and had their comments deleted

[@BANKO007]

Ah, now this is a REAL bona fide debater and when not stampeded by cancel cult, it is amazing how interesting the real story is. All credit to the British of the era for stamping out so many evils and spreading so much good across the world. This chap is so much better than the cretin supposedly on the same side. I could hardly believe the duplicity of the intellectual and moral worm who preceded him. At least this is civilized, in good old-fashioned British tradition, unlike debates in US universities.

[@zacr268]

At least we don't have a monarchy still

[@sorencorreia6872]

Hey just so you know this is still an extremely limited view of the issue. Just because this guy makes good points doesn’t mean this is the “real story” both sides of the debate are the “real story” just different interpretations of the facts and different weight on certain facts. You may choose to focus on the good that imperialism has done but it doesn’t erase the bad it did at the same time. There’s room for both in the narrative, debates like this are not about finding one right answer but the nuance between the issues. We can acknowledge that good things were done at the same time that we acknowledge the suppression, paternalist, racist, and mercantilist attitudes which pervaded these systems and harmed so many.

[@HungTran-gz5em]

@@sorencorreia6872 Agreed. As a person from Vietnam, a previously colonized country, I can attest to this. There have been many innovations and infrastructure the French brought to us, however few of them were done with the interest of our people at heart, but to better accomodate the French people there, and to transport more natural resources back to the "motherland". And the stories of abuse, mistreatment (that is putting it lightly) is literally uncountable. There are 2 sides to the issue of course, but to simply dismiss these crimes as "cancel culture" or "liberal propaganda" is disrespectful.

[@HungTran-gz5em]

To provide some context, I'd like to point out the 1857 India rebellion. India rebelled because 1. Brits ruled India with an iron grip (as with any other colony) 2. They forced the Indian to kill their sacred animal to have oil for their guns ( the equivalent of making a Christian piss on the cross, btw). So please, some good were done, yeah. But to simple dismiss the bad things as the work of a "cancel cult" is insulting.

[@BANKO007]

@@HungTran-gz5em The cancel cult is about preventing any debate at all. It is a very good thing that we discuss the positives and negatives of British rule in India. I could not agree with you more that some terrible things were done by the British to Indians, which is usually the only thing about which comments is allowed. It is much harder to debate the positives, such as rule of law, industry, infrastructure, democracy and the enlightenment, all of which have and will bring phenomenal benefits to billions of Indians. Britain and India are now friends and they should both be able to reflect on the past and the future with passion and respect. This debate was such an occasion.

[@NeoUno866]

Out of the five videos uploaded on this topic, this is the only one that is actually making a case against the issue.

[@WLM-lf8ho]

As a proud Anglo-Celt/Saxon, I'm embarrassed by my woke white brothers and sisters, they care for others more than their own.

[@backupaccount8731]

As an Asian I think that you have every right to be proud of your culture and heritage. Ignore the toxic people who are telling you to not be proud. Woke left are the real racists

[@WLM-lf8ho]

@@backupaccount8731 ...Well said my friend, the left are the real racists 👍🏻.

[@syedmohammadaanasfarukh890]

Wokes are the worst. Take pride in the great work of your ancestors.

[@stephn4085]

What a brilliant speech imparting the true situation when India became independent. Well worth the time to listen.

[@tsheponcamane2018]

Did they have to be colonized, in the first place?

[@tsheponcamane2018]

@Holy Jones like what?... Indian people have always been innovative

[@grimsobad8545]

@@tsheponcamane2018 cope harder 😂 I go can on and on about the atrocities done by you ppl, but once again we are on rise so yeah

[@EducatedMoron_]

@Holy Jones none, literally none. Indians did all these on their own. If British really did all these, people would have never fought for independence lol.

[@EducatedMoron_]

@Holy Jones That's a wierd flex considering the fact that the sole purpose of education was to put Indians in British administration to further their rule in India. Unfortunately it backfired. Still wanna thank the West for Industrial Revolution.

[@peterwebb8732]

I live in a former British Colony. By the time we became independent, our living standard was one of the highest in the World…. so much for Britain “draining” the Colonies. As an Aboriginal member of Parliament stated recently, at no time have Aboriginal people enjoyed a better standard of living, longer lives, greater freedom from starvation or violence, infant survival rates or equality of rights for women. All this is the result of what Britain brought to the Colonies. It wasn’t perfect, nor would any fair-minded person expect it to be.

[@Raktim709]

my goodness u srsly r deluded

[@eirikbelisarius1100]

Yes, that's correct. It wasn't perfect. But these political hacks skip over all the boring good stuff, they find something that's imperfect, and they say it was bad to the core. The British took control and maintained control with the use of force, but they often transformed the colony to a thriving place based on law and order. Where would for example India have been without the British? It wasn't like the Moghuls where developing anything, they weren't even Indian.

[@peterwebb8732]

@@eirikbelisarius1100 I suspect that the PC critics have never stopped to think how expensive and unprofitable maintaining control of a resisting population is….. and how much the home-population objected to paying taxes to support needless wars.

[@brianjacob8728]

@@peterwebb8732 resisting population? hypocrite much?

[@peterwebb8732]

@@brianjacob8728 If you have a point to make, please try to do so clearly. Objecting to other people’s arguments without giving a valid argument of your own would make you the “hypocrite”.. As a matter of stern, historical fact, the public and political debate in Britain throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries reveals an enormous amount of contention over both the justification and the causes of foreign wars. As a matter of equally hard fact, the number of British soldiers in British colonies was generally minute in comparison to the size of the native populations, and the British made a habit of recruiting, training and arming members of those populations… not exactly something you can get away with when the population as a whole is hostile.

[@ifanmorgan8070]

Shame to see the Oxford Union stoop so low as to allow a speaker to be heckled and badgered like this.

[@thegreatone-australia1851]

An intellectiual man with the facts - and children.

[@Whoami691]

Did the empire do bad things? Yes. Did it also do amazing things we value to this day? Yes Should both sides b e discussed? Yes.

[@rodthecod]

@STALIN Ever heard of the holocaust? Nazis. Ever heard of the abolition of slavery? The British Empire. Ever heard of the millions of innocents who died in the gulags? Stalin.

[@NathanielHiggerson]

@STALIN Have you ever had an original thought?

[@epicgamer164]

@@rodthecod I mean the British did kill millions around the plant

[@rodthecod]

No - they didn’t kill millions. The British had wars with many nations and they did some bad things - the Opium Wars in China, for instance, or the concentration camps in the Boer war - but, overall, they were good imperialists compared to the other possible imperialists. The British fought wars to protect themselves or their citizens - or to protect their trade or their own interests. They didn’t invade countries to conquer them nor did they murder millions for ideological reasons. And they often brought good laws and good government to countries so that those countries had a decent start at independence. Stalin, Hitler and Mao were evil, mass-murdering psychopaths.

[@NathanielHiggerson]

@@rodthecod accurate statement

[@hrmpug1092]

A very humble, intelligent, well learned man.

[@airrunswaterrules1932]

he's the kind of dude who would encourage his child to further her education, while employing a 10yr old as his milkman/gardener.

[@connorhanby7108]

I understand the point but in reality isnt is impressive and admirable when kids have little jobs like this or a paper round? of course if they need to work because of desperation that is a different matter but assuming that its just a hard working 10 year old who is just trying to earn some extra pocket money they're always the sort that get very far in life

[@airrunswaterrules1932]

@@connorhanby7108 you're the kind of guy who skipped communications in school and gets mad when called pseudo - logical intellect.

[@connorhanby7108]

@@airrunswaterrules1932 I'm not mad at all actually

[@kodiak9840]

Bravo, my good man. Bravo.

[@MrAzboGaming]

Yes, of course it’s not a national disgrace; If you knew literally anything about the empire you would know it to be our biggest pride, with very good reason

[@eshaansarkar2017]

I am an Indian and I respect my Independence but I also admire the Empire. The Empire was really a good thing to happen but I wouldn't disagree that it had a dark side too.

[@palakpatel3295]

While the British empire may have benitted its colonies, it is important to remember most of these supposed benevolences were only to accommodate and comfort their position in the colony. What's more is, their oppression of native populations cannot be overseen. One prime example is the jallianwhala bagh massacre in 1919 in which a participants of a peaceful protest were captured within closed walls with a guarded exit upon the order of General O'Dwyers simply to instill fear in the population (his words not mine). It is also crucial to understand, land which you do not originate from is not yours to take no matter what you plan to do with it. Imperialism should not be justified in such manner as this oversees the dehumanising acts carried out by the oppressors. And now tell me, how can you ever pride in such an empire?

[@eshaansarkar2017]

@@palakpatel3295 Yes, it's true that in this world no country is another's friend. But the greatness of the British Empire is something which no empire in history can ever match. It is because at that time the whole world was colonised by European powers. The oppression of Native populations is equally true as the hatred for the Native population against the Colonial settlers. Now as for Jalianwala Bagh, you need to read the real story rather than what our biased brainwashing history books have taught us. That day the firing which took place at the Bagh is something which would have taken place even if India had been independent. It's because that day was declared as a curfew. The reason for the curfew was very legible. It's basically the same reasons which take place in Jammu and Kashmir. But we need to strongly condemn one man's actions, General Dyer who could have made the firing a little bit less indiscriminate. He could have been more humane, so that the number of loss of lives could have been significantly reduced. The massacre was not something of the Government's plan. When the Government came to know about such an incident, it took the best possible action which needed to be taken against the aggresors. Moreover as for this so called theory of a certain group of people not originating from a certain place, it might interest you to know that the huge Indian population itself is made up of people who came from different places. First, the Dravidians lived here, after that came here the Indo Aryans from Central Asia near the Caspian sea. After that came the Greeks when Alexander Conquered some Indian Kingdoms. A lot of Greeks settled in India at that time. After the Zoroasters(Parsees) came from Iran, although with a significantly lower population. When the Islamic era started, a lot of populations from neighbouring Islamic countries came to settle in India.( Turks, Mughals, Afghans) etc. At the last came the Europeans who settled (British, French, Portuguese, etc). So, this theory of foreigners settling down and exploiting native population is not true. As for Imperialism, it is not something which is Britain's creation, but is practised since the beginning of human civilization. You need to understand that India as nation didn't existed before Britain came here. It was just a terrestrial unit. In the present day, we are not trying to justify imperialism in a sense as if we are inviting them to come and invade us again. If they invade us, we shall surely resist, but the thing is we are just some seekers of truth who are just speaking up for what we believe in. We believe that we should study history freely and our patriotism should not interfere in any way while learning history, while learning about our past, while seeking the truth.

[@huangwangmedia3981]

@@eshaansarkar2017 so what? Every Empire under the sun had a dark side. The Mauryan, Mughal, Mongol, Roman empires etc

[@grizzii2149]

@@eshaansarkar2017 what strongest action possible?? What?? Forget hanged till death, they should have sent dyer to rot in andaman Nicolas Islands where they kept freedom fighters fighting for their motherland. And about that Indian issues, yes we have, we even talk about it how rajput kings lavish lives was turning point, we gave sc-st 33% reservation because how upper class treated them. What Indians did wrong is our part to discuss and we do. It can't be use as an equaliser because u want to be proud of that inhuman empire. M neither proud of the Indian kings and obviously not the bits. Be ashamed. Its a human thing. Good luck.

[@nigelsheppard625]

He's right regarding the Bengal Famine. It was created by rapid urbanisation, industrial, the abandonment of farming by large sections of Bengal who were tenant farmers or Muslim and Hindu landowners who grew cash crops and not food.

[@dwaipayanroychowdhury7035]

Also, much high fertility rates toppled the Malthusian equilibrium.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

and also the Japanese occupation of Burma.

[@ashusharma6083]

Farmer were forced to grow cash crops to export them

[@yugmathakkar4023]

You know that they were FORCED to grow cash crops due to British policies, right? The British created economic policies which punished farmers who grew food crops and essentially turned the bread basket of India into a money making factory for the British. And not to forget the appropriation of land and farms of thousands of Indian peasants by the British government for their war efforts, which caused inflation to skyrocket and made food extremely expensive for Indians. But regardless of all that, it still doesn't answer why Churchill categorically denied food to millions of starving brown people that his country tyrannically ruled over, and rather diverted all the food that was left in bengal, as well as the aid sent by Australia and America to North Africa and Greece where British and American Troops were already pretty well stocked.

[@purav3585]

And They grew cash crops because they were forced by Brits

[@inter-dimensionallizard1028]

Well said, Dr Masani. Those people couldn't handle what they were hearing.

[@piyushtrivedi0023]

Yaa bcs he’s lied 🤥 nothing not a single true word

[@comradeschnitzelstein7177]

@@piyushtrivedi0023 Cope harder

[@historyconnoisseur9341]

@@piyushtrivedi0023you are manipulated by the media

[@JB-if5or]

@@piyushtrivedi0023 well how can it be lies when it’s documented history?

[@TacitusKilgore165]

@@piyushtrivedi0023 Cope

[@Musrusticus6890]

What an excellent fellow. Don’t facts hurt, the Empire was, in most ways, wonderful and we must keep defending it.

[@Claire-tn4xp]

This man is spectacular. An intellectual who is only interested in facts and evidence rather than emotive language based on ignorance and hurt feelings

[@dumdumdumdum8804]

what facts he spoke, how do you know these are the facts.

[@Claire-tn4xp]

@@SaarthakSinha you don't know what you're talking about. The British dragged countries out of the gutter.

[@Brad-Jenson]

​@@Claire-tn4xp True. We basically civilized half the world .

[@Claire-tn4xp]

@@Brad-Jenson exactly. They hate that we're superior to them.

[@Claire-tn4xp]

@@SaarthakSinha 🤡 bollocks

[@hlysnan6418]

Wow - facts!

[@aarosundvall]

Its funny how they shut up when they are told that they are allowed to ask questions.

[@gavinbissell8847]

It appears that Oxford isn't the place to go for a top class education anymore

[@pneron2032]

No it isn't. Right now, the are flying the LGBT flag from *every* college flagpole (I'm not joking).

[@trevwils6718]

After the debates the audience leave by different doors to signify which side won, where can I find the results?

[@SansAppellation]

I'm no expert, but I suspect the side with 4 speakers, which wasn't being heckled, and received not only leniency but raucous applause from the time keeper might have just snuck the win.

[@trevwils6718]

@@SansAppellation seemed to me those for the motion cannot see any good that British exploration did only the bad whilst the side against acknowledges the past but highlights the many positives.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

I am an Indian and I have respect for my Independence but I also have immense respect for the British Empire. It was not really bad thing to happen but really a great thing. 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳❤️❤️🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@eshaansarkar2017]

@STALIN did you even watched the video?

[@eshaansarkar2017]

@STALIN don't say before the British Hindus and Muslims coexisted peacefully always. During Aurangzeb's rule, you can see what the religious tension had arised into. He destroyed temples. He imposed religious tax on non muslims. There are more countless examples. You just need to read history. Moreover take a look at the Maratha Empire. It sought to create a Hindu Raj throughout the empire where there would be no place for non Hindus. There were inconsistencies in religious harmony during Pre British era.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

@STALIN as you said the decrease in population was due to famines but the Indian Famine Codes created by the British was the first modern response to famines in India which so successful that it was continued unti the country became Independent.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

@STALIN en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Famine_Codes#:~:text=The%20Indian%20Famine%20Codes%2C%20developed,scarcity%2C%20scarcity%2C%20and%20famine. You need to read this.

[@englishalan222]

@STALIN Before the British Hindus and Muslims coexistence peacefully. What planet have you beamed down from? Read some history. They dis not coexist peacefully at all. Indian history before British rule is one of constant warfare between Hindus and Muslims.

[@ksat8602]

Brilliant. Just Brilliant.

[@tomventers]

When were all of these filmed? Description sais March last year but why would there be a crowd? 🤔

[@user-pv4hx8hs3f]

Covid wasnt a thing march last year... was just in the news.

[@huangwangmedia3981]

What a wonderful man. Thank you Sir, for sticking up for the British Empire! He started well and battled on even better. Like a dreadnought plowing through rough seas Given such a short time to give his balancing address, it is disgraceful that some of the students, without the majority showing their displeasure of it, tried to persistently interrupt him. Rather than listen to what he had to say respectively, they are literally trying to stop him talking, but getting to get him to listen to them. The woke/left he spoke of really are the pits. Students these days!

[@animo5445]

Is it also a typical left behaviour to ignore the fact you can interrupt in between and ask questions, or hypocrisy is exclusive of the right?

[@dominickroberts4653]

This is why I will never go to university

[@motionlessevent2528]

Artists were fascinated in Europe by extra-European art - especially the emergent avant-garde and modernists at the turn of the industrial century. Nations like Britain and France consumed, reinterpreted, and adored the unique visual culture from around the world. It is perhaps the greatest testament to individual liberty and empire. Under no other circumstances would another state readily accept such a large importation of foreign culture. Britain learnt about the world - and the world learnt from Britain some of the most important cultural and societal lessons to date. That is where worldwide democracy, liberty and freedom came from.

[@hellsonly8908]

And when democracy in places like Iran in the 50s won it was the British who called up the CIA to help bring down the government and ensure the shah would rule as a dictator for the next 20 years leading to the blowback of the 79 revolution

[@theoli8407]

i don’t agree with him but i sympathise with him for the fact that all those pricks kept interrupting the poor guy

[@pneron2032]

White leftists

[@theoli8407]

@@pneron2032 i’m a leftist but doesn’t mean i don’t think people should be courteous

[@67frankay]

Whilst you can disagree. In my opinion he’s stating documented unarguable facts 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@theoli8407]

@@67frankay this is true, however just stating facts is only half of the trip. he says about how people’s’ livelihoods improved, but he fails to tell us how they there were still horrendous things that happened under the empire

[@67frankay]

@@theoli8407 I take your point. All aspect of a topic must be understood. This is a debate however and he’s arguing one side of the argument. The matter itself probably falls in the middle somewhere and in my opinion slightly leans towards the empire being beneficial. Pax Brittanica was amazing if you think about how dangerous and unstable the world was before it.

[@richardcraniumrocks]

Legend, only way to deal with these indoctrinated brats.

[@jaybayl1109]

I agree with him, RULE BRITANNIA

[@jaybayl1109]

@Rohan Dick u could have just said u didn’t agree mate

[@chiraggarg2224]

"it is possible to make natives of this country thoroughly good english scholars and that to this end our efforts should be directed macaulay also articulated the classic reason for teaching english we must do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern a class of persons indian in blood and color but english and taste in opinions in morals and in intellect who would then go on to educate the rest of india in the western british"-thomas maccaulay finally i can say after watching this video british succeed

[@rashomonsan]

Why are there three speeches uploaded for the 'British Empire Is A National Disgrace' position, but this is the only speech for the 'British Empire Is NOT A National Disgrace' position? Hmmm... *thinky face*

[@kristianlajkep8047]

I am by means no expert in Indian, or any other colonial history and do not wish to take a part in that discussion. However, when a lady stood up to make a point of information and the speaker did not give way, and she stood up to give that same point of information again, it was a disorderly conduct and the chair should have intervened. "Non bis in idem" should be recognized, whatever people's opinions in the discussion are.

[@barnham9388]

He was absolutely brilliant - particularly the way he robustly kept going against a persist desire from some in the audience who couldn’t bear to hear a different narrative to the woke nonsense they’ve decided they want to eat for supper. The trouble is I think that the educated British of 30 or 40 years ago were quite content with a balanced appraisal of Empire in retrospective - something along the lines of, on balance it meant well, some things it did were wrong and judged by modern standards would be wrong, and on balance, as well as meaning well, it did a lot of good in the world, in some cases at a cost to Britain. I think that sort of intellectual accommodation was about right - the problem is one of activism, entitlement, a weird world of woke discovery in which anything in the credit column is automatically deleted to leave only the debit column, one where a completely skewed narrative is the only one allowed and anyone who tries to stand up to it is accused of racism, subject to cancellation and so on. In the woke world time and time again, diversity is the watchword until it comes to diversity of opinion, then they only want people who agree with them….

[@cathycarsilli3999]

Wow hats off to him

[@denverbritto5606]

The good Dr. is awesome as always! Tharoor should really take notes on him for history.

[@Chiefab22]

Agree

[@mdbahrozbaburali]

He has discussed with him. Look it up.

[@mckinnhe]

What a fine and dignified gentleman. The miserable, smug little Oxford students are unworthy of such a speaker. How did they ever helm an empire?

[@lemonblue6282]

It wasn't them. That's how.

[@musicjunk8266]

@@lemonblue6282 Lol. Yep that basically sums it.

[@johnmccaughey2722]

​@@lemonblue6282 empires are nothing to be proud of.

[@lemonblue6282]

@@johnmccaughey2722 All of life is a mixed bag. Recognizing ALL of it matters. Acknowledging harm done in the course of any action matters. Perhaps current conditions can be rectified if they are acknowledged. Acknowledging good done in the course of any action - also matters. Perhaps in the process of rectifying unwanted current conditions that which is good need not be undermined or destroyed. And when the net balance of past actions is toward the good - that is something to be proud of especially when what is under examination are the actions of people in the distant past who didn't have the benefit of our perspective, power, or options -- and who's understanding of the world we can not imagine. Even where there are written records - they are the minds of a handful of individuals we have access to.

[@johnmccaughey2722]

@@lemonblue6282 thats all very well but lets not glorify the british empire. Its strange how many british ppl take pride in the british empire.

[@eleveneleven572]

What a guy ! Facts from an educated Indian. The British on the whole dramatically improved human civilisation, health, education, economies, law, civil society, public works, technology, ending slavery, cast system, democracy.. There is something wrong with people who cannot see the British Empire in the round. They focus upon the lesser negatives. Why? Lack of education, racism, personality disorders, grievance mongers.

[@Tiz604]

I am VERY proud of my Heritage . The Greatest Empire the world has ever seen . Orchestrated by the Greatest tribe that ever existed the Anglo Saxons ! .

[@eshaansarkar2017]

I respect the Raj but please don't be racist towards the Celtic people.

[@kaiserwaffle7896]

May The Empire Rise From The Ashes of The New World! God Save the Queen!

[@arnabchaudhuri7233]

Nah not than shitty empire again from that island

[@histman3133]

The majority of younger people go on stereotypes. They don't bother to study these issues in detail but instead deduce history to the lowest common denominator. To the simplest of explanations and in so doing completely miss the bigger picture.

[@histman3133]

@Top Secret EIC? Don't think that because you use these acronyms that I'm suddenly supposed to know what they mean. What is EIC?

[@histman3133]

@Top Secret The big picture is that the British Empire was for the most part a paternal power that genuinely cared about those subjects they governed. Just listen to the British historian Andrew Roberts when he discusses Winston Churchill on Uncommon Knowledge. That for the most part the British Empire did more good than harm. The abolition and suppression of the African slave trade, the introduction of democratic institutions into their colonies, the doing away with superstitious tribal ways of life such as Medicine Men and in its place modern medicine, technology, sport, law and democracy. A world that is more connected thanks to English being the lingua franca for many countries around the world, that not all servants of the British Empire (in fact most of them) were not racist evildoers wandering the earth in search of chaos but in fact, to this day, carry with them fond memories of the people and places they governed. My wife being a great example. She worked in a retail store and when the English customer she had at the till had realized she was from Singapore his memories of that great place suddenly came flooding back. He was a retired sailor in the Royal Navy. Would you prefer I go on? How about the fact that many former colonies of the British Empire are now trillion dollar economies supplying jobs and wealth to millions of people around the world regardless of their race, that the Empire brought about a standard of living never before conceived in human history. Thank you Britannia!

[@histman3133]

@Top Secret Winston Churchill himself thought of colonies such as India one day becoming great nations in the same league as Canada and Australia. He had many Indian friends and believed that a person could not help he was born and into what circumstances. He believed in people being treated equally. I know it's hard for you to believe because of what you have been taught by your liberal Marxist professors but it's the truth. It is thanks to the British Empire that we now have the United States, a beacon of light and hope to millions of people across the globe willing to step foot on her shores. The principles of law and order and in the freedom of those who were governed was found in the principles of Common Law and later adopted by the American system.

[@histman3133]

@Top Secret That's the big picture.

[@histman3133]

@Top Secret Huh? What are you talking about? I was talking about the British Empire and you just list off a bunch of colonial companies. I'm confused....what are you getting at? Plus no offence but your English isn't all that good so it's hard for me to follow.

[@TheWorldofMomus]

Well said Dr Masani. The truth in its full context is hard for some people to hear.

[@dumdumdumdum8804]

Because he is lying

[@satmohabir7175]

Is Masani suggesting that the Brits were in India to develop India? Or is he citing instances which makes no difference to the pillaging of India? Clearly when he raised the Kashmir issue, his true colours came out.

[@Krishnan.V]

Spoken like a true son of macaulay and a spokesperson for jinnah @6:47 :- Indian Empire in Kashmir @6:52 :- It is Indian Hindu Nationalism, which is responsible for Kashmir @6:56 :- It is Indian Hindu Majoritarianism, which lead to Partition @7:00 :- The British did their best to avoid partition, go and look for the cripps mission plan This is the standard template to lay the wrongs of partition on the Hindus and just shrug off accountability or responsibility In 1905 William Hutt Curzon Wyllie partitioned bengal based carving out (what is current bangladesh) a separate muslim state. Madan Lal Dhingra assasinated William Hutt Curzon Wyllie for this act and was hanged to death on 17 August 1909 the situation had so been created with active participation of the British, that a partition was bound to happen, with the infamous, blood curling 1946 Noakhali riots. @7:57 :- A Brahmin could kill a Shudra and not face any death penalty @8:05 :- An Untouchable could face a death penalty for cohabiting with an upeer caste woman @8:09 :- This was completely abolished under british raj @8:14 :- The british raj also banned "Sati" @8:21 :- There were thousands of them in Bengal at that time Not to justify the caste system or sati, but one should read the book by Dr. Meenakshi Jain "Sati" Page No 182:- Calculating the total number of victims ward gave the breakup .... widows burnt alive = 5,000... total deaths = 10500 However on the very next page "Ward" just doubled the numbers of satis with a bizzare justification Page No 186 :- Charles lushignton, chief sec.... bengal presidency 1815-1818 described the figures of the baptist missionaries as "one of the most preposterous misrepresentations that ever proceeded from credulity or ignorance" And the missionary info was the only source of data, so that house of commons could enact law, which would favour baptist missionaries a free hand for proselytizing Page No 220, The observations of Sir John Kaye, who returned to England in 1845 conceded, but for all this it can hardly be said that widow burning was ever a national custom.... Chapter-12 Sati an infrequent occurence - that entire chapter will have to be reproduced here Bengal being the starting point of british empire had to be projected as the worst thing and then overgeneralise it to entire country Once the baptist missionary got the empires clearence for proselytizing , the number of sati instances dropped there is the famous macaulay minute, which essentially lays out the roadmap to develop the "heathens" so that the british raj can function. Mr Arun Shourie in his book "Missionaries in India Continuities Changes Deilemmas" explains this. I am not denying the contributions by the British Currently a right wing party is in power and you cannot digest this fact that it is in power since 2014, is an eye sore for you and hence you have to demonise the Hindus. so you have to say things like @6:47 :- Indian Empire in Kashmir @6:52 :- It is Indian Hindu Nationalism, which is responsible for Kashmir @6:56 :- It is Indian Hindu Majoritariansim, which lead to Partition @7:00 :- The British did their best to avoid partition, go and look for the cripps mission plan

[@admiralrover74]

Why this Video has very very less views when compared to that the one in Dr Shashi Tharoor MP? Dr Zareer Masani's Debate and View here is certainly is Interesting.

[@krushnadeepsonu3552]

Majority of masses don't like truth.

[@eshaansarkar2017]

This video deserves more views

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

To summarize: - A growth of 350m in population - Eradication of famines - Preservation of culture - Banning of burning widows - Allowance of remarriage - Banning of child marriage - Introduction of vaccines - Eradication of disease - Introduction of antibiotics - Most industrialization in Asia - Introduction of the ICS - Introduction of democracy - Introduction of liberalism If they were trying to oppress India… they didn’t do a very good job of it.

[@grizzii2149]

No bro, they did a very good job in oppressing. Just try to read about the atrocities, law, insults, rules. There was fuckin salt law... Salt. The country which rules the spice world was fighting for salt. But it's okay if u wanna hear the story from people who oppressed rather than from people who were. N about that othwe things... We would have slowly or gradually learnt that anyway from British. U didn't need to invade us. Ask my grandfather, his friends and try to explain this logic. I don't hate England, i listen to rocki follow Chelsea n i dont know why but i even love the accent but u can't bring this few good things against what people felt and went through. This is really rude and cruel. Good bye.

[@grizzii2149]

@@rohith1729 the government elected by us. Salt and fuel is different. Nice try man. But if u had the logic and not ego. U wouldn't have came up with this stupid anology. We Indians have issues too, the caste system is foolish, we created 33% reservation for that. There's still bashing in media about old prejudices etc. Doesn't mean it makes the old Britain right. Anyways, be proud if it makes you feel good. Tc. Slap a guy in Britain 10 times and say hey- atleast be thankful that it made your cheeks stronger.

[@arc8244]

@@rohith1729 the tax now is spent to develop India, not some other nation.

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

@@grizzii2149 you don’t seem to understand my comment. I am pointing out that if their motivations were truly how Shashi Tharoor and other Indian nationalists portray, I.E genocidal or brutal, then they did not succeed in achieving those goals, because it was completely balanced out. No one is saying there were zero problems, racism or intolerance. Every country had that whether they were colonized or not, including Great Britain itself. No one is asking India to be grateful. But the insinuation that they are mortal enemies is outrageous and deserves to be called out as jingoism. Why do Indians still quote the false figure of $45 trillion? Or the false claim of 1.8 billion deaths? Both figures were given by the exact same “doctor” and Indian nationalist. No scholar recognizes her claims besides AUTHORS like Shashi Tharoor who makes a living off of sensationalized content, not telling the truth. He’s not a historian. To finish off my comment, let me point out that England lost so much money to the Vikings prior to unification. If I use the exact same logic as the “economist” and calculate what Norway, Sweden and Denmark owe to England, the number is genuinely too big to type out in this comment, with Britain being owed the same amount of money that the world has ever made. That is so outlandish no one entertains the idea, so why do Indians? Tell me.

[@anilallipilli1569]

God: How self-deluded you want to be? This Guy: yes.

[@GDMelb]

"Typical woke left winger"

[@johnbell-yn5xe]

Can't understand why I haven't seen this on the BBC Must have been an oversight

[@ChallengeCommander]

Will that bloody woman just sit down. The president saying you cant stop people asking questions but hes absolutely right. He wanted to use his little time to talk straight facts and was not interested in wasting time taking questions and interruptions from people who objectively know far less on this subject than he does. And all those people clapping like sheep when the president said that. He had the floor and it was his choice to speak freely and not waste his own time.

[@paulvmarks]

I would not blame Indian merchants for the Bengal Famine of 1943 - or Churchill either. When the crops failed in Bengal (which they did from time to time) the normal response was to import food from Burma - but the IMPERIAL JAPANESE ARMY was in Burma, and the Imperial Japanese Navy was in the seas - there was even an attack on Ceylon.

[@aalan4296]

And the population of Bengal grew by 43% in space of 42 years (1901 - 1943), which for a region that periodically suffered from crop failure would have made the problem far worse.

[@paulvmarks]

@@aalan4296 Correct. It did.

[@78adarshyadav39]

Why not take grains from neighbouring provinces instead of taking it from Burma? Why is it that they have to rely solely on Burmese crops during famine?They should have taken it from the provinces which were not stuck by famine instead of depending on one or two outersource of crops

[@paulvmarks]

@@78adarshyadav39 Because elsewhere was also short of food - by the way, local administration (in Bengal and other provinces) had been handed over to Indian officials for years at this point.

[@78adarshyadav39]

@@paulvmarks but there was famine only in Bengal province , right? Was the whole subcontinent suffering from famines? What was the reason for shortage of food in other parts of India? How much power was granted to Bengal government? On which areas of administration did they have control on? And what powers did Britishers retain after handing over the administration job to natives?

[@timb9363]

It’s racist to be proud of being British, I’ll hand my notice in tomorrow

[@jeanettewee8805]

In 1750, India had 23% of the world's GDP because it had 25% of the world's population. However, Britain was already a wealthy country even before it colonized India. If we look at the per-capita income of India and Britain in the 1750s, Britain's per-capita income was three times that of India as per Maddison's data, and India's per-capita income had been declining for a century before Britain won the Battle of Plassey. Comparing the total GDP of India and Britain in the 1750s to argue that India was richer than Britain is like saying that Uttar Pradesh is richer than Goa today. Later, the Industrial Revolution occurred in the Western world after the Scientific Revolution, with the invention of machines and technologies like the steam engine, and their wealth increased exponentially. Meanwhile, India's global share of GDP dropped to 4% in 1950. The same thing happened in China, which was not directly colonized. In fact, China's per-capita income was even lower than India's at the time of independence. During the 1750s, China's per-capita income was higher than India's. Therefore, if we say that Asian countries are poorer because of colonization, then what happened to countries like Nepal, Bhutan, Ethiopia, and Liberia, which were not colonized? It's worth noting that Nepal has a similar history and culture to India, yet it is the poorest country in Asia. The fact that Nepal was not colonized by the British undermines the argument that colonization is solely responsible for a country's level of poverty.

[@creatorlight4346]

In 1750 India’s population was 10% of world population

[@creatorlight4346]

“ Nepal is poor now because it is closer to India and when India was rich Nepal was rich. When India got poor Nepal also got poor. “ Mr. Chavda

[@creatorlight4346]

What was word population and India’s population in 1750 and how do you confirm what is India in 1750.

[@jeanettewee8805]

​@@creatorlight4346in 1750 India had a share of 25% of world's population. After reading that bs I decided not to read the next

[@wulf6133]

India was poorer than Britain in 1750 lol. Why do u think people from all over the world came looking for India cause it was called golden peacock of that era. Ur people too came as traders. They looked around saw wealth that’s the reason why they colonized India.

[@denverbritto5606]

Why do we only have a single video on this side of the motion, and ALL three from the other side? Anyway, Dr Masani's is better than all 3 opponents so maybe it's to be fair to those three "woke leftists".

[@mudra5114]

The truth comes out.

[@minhajtunu9513]

Yes. A mixture of good and evils in a very moderate manners.

[@aburyan19]

Great points by Dr. Zareer Masani, Shashi Tharoor is charismatic but he is selective in what history he tells us and the stats Shashi provides is often suspect.

[@anjummuneer5081]

*suspected.

[@pixelfu623]

@@anjummuneer5081 suspect*

[@KiatHuang]

It saddens and annoys me that a vocal minority of Oxford students still to undermine the very institutions that they are privileged to be part of, but that they treat with distain and disrespect. Here is an Indian man taking about his birth country and speaks positively about the British Empire. Who are these people trying to interrupt him so disgracefully? The chair should be protecting free speech - not trying to protect someone who is trying to inhibit it. The round of applause she got was shocking. Clearly the woke have massively infiltrated the members of the Union. Well done to this man.

[@DarthQueefious]

6:20 "please keep asking,, Dr Masani is spitting too much truth, he needs to be interrupted"

[@yorkshire_tea6875]

Had to leave a like purely for the guy shooting down the left wingers