Naval Logistics - Where does the food, fuel and ammo go?

[@Drachinifel]

Pinned post for Q&A :)

[@bkjeong4302]

Which individual ship was the least efficient in terms of stores expended over her entire operational history versus her actual achievements?

[@thisisabcoates]

How much did warship storerooms change through the ages? Obviously an Age of Sail first rate didn't need fuel tanks, but are there any other notable differences in how supplier were stored?

[@WarrantOfficerWill22]

I know that standard shipping containers hadn't been invented yet, but bardges had. Had the US Merchant marine got the plans for their C8 class (a barge carrier design from the late 60s) assuming that the plans were modified to be capable of being built with 1940s technology, how useful would it have been and which theature would they see the most use in?

[@EvanChordar]

To satisfy my americanness. What is the highest number of mounted guns ever put on a warship?

[@richardbennett1856]

Thanks for your brilliant examination of storage spaces. I'm worn out after Watch, Resupply and GQ. I'm new. Where is my rack? Where do I bathe? How do you find your way around a fleet carrier?

[@VintageCarHistory]

The forward storeroom was a lot of fun once empty after a deployment. A big empty space that, in heavy seas, pitched quite a bit. So, when on the crest of a wave, you jump and the deck falls away below you. The goal is to get maximum airtime without breaking a leg.

[@Belligerent_Herald]

Had the bottom fall out going up a double ladderwell on the Nassau. Managed to grab a cable run in the overhead and had to hang there until the ship took its next wave.

[@Absaalookemensch]

A couple of us were the only people on an empty C-17 through combat airspace while it did combat evasive flying. Playing catch in the back was a blast. You throw the ball, the plane turns so the ball looks like it turns sideways in mid air. Best curve ball in history.

[@GeneralKenobiSIYE]

So Drach was right?! These storerooms ARE magical!! 🪄🪄🪄🪄

[@rushbicketybam1868]

Funny I haven't thought about gravity games in almost 20 years- AOE's tend to not dive much except in the heaviest swells, but will roll pretty well. We would play a game of walking a p- way: first you are on the deck, then walking the bulkhead and so on and so on. Miss those good times even though I didn't so much back then:)

[@johnking6252]

Fantail jumping! Almost forgot that one . USCG 👍

[@cliffcliffdafif9426]

Can we please please please please get more videos like this covering the rest of the ship?!??!? Crew quarters, machine spaces, workshops, etc. I would particularly be interested in breaking down the use of space in the superstructure.

[@dougermouse]

It would be fun to partner with Ryan S of USS NJ or another one of the big ship curators to have them take a photo of some of these spaces so you can have both the plan view like this, but actually get to see the space as it exists right now.

[@kwad8]

I would add for future videos like these maybe a side view so we can see how low/high in the ship each level is what discussing said level.

[@kennethdeanmiller7324]

​@kwad8 Yeah, I definitely agree with that! Cuz that's exactly what I was wondering. Like how many decks are there altogether & each level he talks about, yes, it would be a lot more clear if he showed a brief side shot schematic to show where that level is in the ship.

[@XANDERSGONE]

Long time watcher and I’d love this Drach. The logistics videos, armor videos, range finding videos, etc. are some of my absolute favorite among many others.

[@chaplainhyena1523]

Also. The Brig

[@andersed1]

Acids are mostly for cleaning. Those really deep store rooms are probably “treasure rooms”. Everybody, every unit, and every ship has a junk drawer. All sorts of interesting things are squirreled away for just in case. Mostly off the books. My aviation maintenance unit had enough off the books IC for an entire spare F-18. Highly illegal, security risk and all that, but when the call comes down to get all the planes up for deployment NOW, not having to go through supply for parts for a short period shortenes the turnaround time drastically, and that makes the officers look really good, so they don’t look to hard…

[@VintageCarHistory]

Oh, we would squirrel away things into any nook and cranny imaginable. I recall that Jimbone tried to store a couple of bonsai trees in the overhead of gun plot. Problem was that gunplot has all the radar and computer stuff and so is well air conditioned. His trees got blasted by artificial arctic winds and within a week were completely freeze dried.

[@petesheppard1709]

Ah, the Goodie Locker...

[@danieldunlap4077]

Didn't the CO of vfa 125 get fired because of that 20 years ago?

[@tampaguy2395]

So a room filled with bread bag ties, chopsticks, opened utensil packs, and IKEA kit tools. Respect.

[@petesheppard1709]

@@tampaguy2395 😄

[@jamesgates1074]

When you think about it Food is food for the sailors. Ammo is food for the guns. Fuel is food for the engines. And Parts are food for the machines. It's all just food.

[@TomSedgman]

And the books in the library or classrooms are food for thought

[@anonnymousperson]

I guess it depends on how you define food. Edible food is used by humans for energy and to build their own body. Guns don't use ammunition for energy or to build themselves. Engines do use fuel for energy, but not to build themselves. Machines don't use parts for energy, but do use them to build themselves.

[@Frankenspank67]

And poop is food for the toilettes

[@khaelamensha3624]

Guys you are awesome 😁​@@anonnymousperson

[@cpt_nordbart]

That's food for thought.

[@robertadamcik9179]

Hey Drach! This is Bob, your guide during your visit to WISCONSIN. I just check our DC Plates, and that AV Gas storeroom was converted to the JP -5 pump room and storage tanks. Later!

[@Its-Just-Zip]

That meshes with what I remember Ryan saying about the New Jersey when he did his bit on that. Although, I don't remember him mentioning the JP5 storage tanks. He was talking about them having used storage bladders up in the old 40mm gun tubs so they could be drained in the case of a fire.

[@Rdeboer]

I remember reading that two thousand eggs were cooked every morning aboard _Princess Royal_ alone, and another thousand in the evening. The Grand Fleet must have consumed an enormous quantity of eggs per year.

[@Stella-gm7bo]

Now imagine the amount of tea

[@Anon4859]

With 60,000 men in the Grand Fleet circa Jutland it would take 100,000 hens to meet demand for just one egg per man per day. That daily allowance would weigh 3600kg.

[@ΣτελιοςΠεππας]

​​@@Stella-gm7boNow imagine the amount of farts

[@emmgeevideo]

I salute you, Capt. Obvious!!

[@oneeyedakuma9448]

​@@emmgeevideoshhh kiddo nobody asked you

[@Niftynorm1]

The mysteries of the 'storekeepers' were not answered on our ship until we decommissioned the ship. Found many 'missing/never received' medical supplies buried in the wrong store rooms/spaces! Fortunately unscrupulous crew members didn't discover the large quantity of missing narcotics! Never a dull moment in the USN. LOL Also to access the less frequently used store rooms you needed to notify the Gas Free Engineer to ensure the space was safe to enter.

[@khaelamensha3624]

Imagine discovering after 25 years the cheese cellar on a floating hotel 😂 Regards from France 😉👍

[@SuperFunkmachine]

Tales tell of an old barrel of salted pork that was just carried across and along the royal navy for "we don't know" or hundreds of years, like we took it of HMS Vanguard and it was from HMS Victory...

[@khaelamensha3624]

Being French, I did cancel my meetings when I read food in the title 😂... Now I am waiting the chapter about wine and cheese cellar, for garlic, hams, they are obviously kept in the boiler room where depending on the period they will have this great smoked flavor or a more exotic fuel one 😂

[@stamasd8500]

I'm still looking for the Armagnac storeroom. :)

[@starshine_project]

i read in conway's fighting ships i believe that a french dreadnought was torpedoed in the wine store in wwi by a u-boat and sustained no casualties

[@glennsimpson7659]

Yes French BBs (and other ships) did indeed have wine tanks in place of some of the water storage in the bottom of the ship. I gather that matelots received a daily wine ration, along the lines of the Royal Navy’s legendary Grog. The issue wine was, I imagine, very ordinaire indeed. Tasting notes would be interesting - ‘rusty nose, with a soupçon of bunker oil, and a long briny finish’. Presumably Officers and Petty Officers drank their own bottled wine? Scandinavian ships send Aquavit round the world in ships to mature, but I can’t believe that tossing on the bright blue sea for months in steel tanks on the lower platform deck would improve any vintage.

[@khaelamensha3624]

@@glennsimpson7659 As I do not have the details I mostly confirm what you are writing about officers. For sailors, it seems that rum was the main alcoholic beverage and not wine but this must be confirmed.

[@glennsimpson7659]

@ Rum in the Royal Navy, beer in the Kreidsmarine, wine in the Marine Francais, and soda water in the USN. Not sure about the Italians.

[@OtakuLoki]

A point about the multiplicity of water tanks: You don't want to be filling the same tanks that you're drawing water from. for any particular service. While it's possible, you'd prefer to be able to test the water in a tank before putting that tank into service. So, ideally, you'll have at least three tanks for a given use: One ready for use, one being filled from the distillation plants, and one supplying the load. Then compound this by the number of active distillation plants aboard ship: My ship had two enginerooms, each with an independent distillation plant, that could nominally supply a large fraction of the design water needs of the ship - and in practice could meet the needs of the ship by itself, if we went to strict water rationing. I'm guessing that an Iowa would have at least a distillation plant per engineroom. Though those may have been less efficient than the ones we had aboard a later era ship. Each distillation plant/engineroom would have it's own dedicated potable water tanks; and it's own dedicated boiler/engineering feed water tanks. Furthermore, since the quality of the water your distillation plant is going to vary based upon whether the intent is to produce feed water or pot water, your distillation plant can only produce one or the other.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

You need to make sure your drinking water had at least the minimum required content of aviation fuel!

[@RCAvhstape]

@@MonkeyJedi99 The sweet, sweet taste of JP-5!

[@michaelsullo3698]

S.D Storage includes common spare parts, organizational clothing (winter gear, boots, combat gear), bedding, office supplies, and other supplies that other departments do not have the space for. As you may or may not realize, a significant portion of the of the S.D. Storage contains toilet paper.

[@cpt_nordbart]

Given that thing that happened 4 years ago I'm not surprised people needed a big supply of TP.

[@draco84oz]

Could you almost say that the endurance of a ship is not based on its fuel supply, but by its paper supply? (both office and bathroom types...) . . . . And on that note, do ships just dump waste of that type, or do they maintain sumps so it can be dealt with in port instead? Although that opens up questions about greywater reuse from showers, grease traps from the galley and/or hangars etc. (I'm a drainage engineer by trade)

[@danieltaylor5231]

@@draco84oz Once you are a certain distance from land, I don't remember how far, you just pump it to sea.

[@ChuJungyin]

TP is a very important thing to keep in supply. 🧻

[@RCAvhstape]

If you run out of toilet paper there's always the fire hoses, if you're brave enough :-)

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

"At the bottom of the ocean" -Submariners

[@darkadmiral106]

I had an Uncle who served with the modern German U Boat fleet. They had a joke that is hard to translate, but basically it said "If it swims, we can make it disappear"

[@Belligerent_Herald]

I don’t get on ships that sink on purpose.

[@Oksobasically2]

@@Belligerent_Heraldand i prefer boats that arent targets

[@darkadmiral106]

@@Belligerent_Herald It's worse. They sink *themselves* on purpose

[@Matt-xc6sp]

Bart Mancuso (of Red October fame) says again and again in the books that he thinks of everything on the surface as a target.

[@genericpersonx333]

Seeing those diagrams brings back some memories. My Grandmother's main job during WW2 was drafting. She and her many colleagues basically scaled up and down drawings for industrial and military purposes. She'd take a massive blueprint covering a large table and redraw them to fit smaller sheets or blow up a small image into something that could cover a large table. Her abiding memory of that time revolved around the way the office was arranged: The ladies were mostly kept upstairs while the men worked downstairs. The ladies, being ladies, had the privilege of having the office's sole heater (for coffee and warmth) while the men downstairs just endured the chill and were supposed to come up the stairs to get their own coffee. Being wonderfully kind ladies, they took to heating pennies on the heater until searing hot and flinging them downstairs to see who'd pick them up. The ladies, being actually wonderfully kind ladies, regularly brought down hot coffee instead of forcing the men to come upstairs to get their own. It was a good arrangement and they got a LOT of work done despite the burned fingers.

[@Vinemaple]

Tossing hot pennies was a prank the rich played on the poor in feudal times, that has become ceremonialized in one English town, there's a Tom Scott video.

[@Bellephrontos]

I don't believe they got much work done considering all the sexual tension you are describing😂

[@crazyguy32100]

21:44 For the gasoline tanks I can't speak for Wisconsin but New Jersey currently has 2 in that space used to store the JP5 for helicopters. At some point a bulkhead was ran fore-aft and split the room, leaving the 2 tanks on the port side. Ryan and Libby put a video out on it a few years ago, the 1984 plans show that space, 7-204-2-E

[@jamesmasonaltair]

My uncle is an engineering professor at Annapolis. I showed him this and other Drach vids. He was impressed and is a Drach fan now. Even though Drach vids deal with non modern warships, future US Navy officers can still benefit from Drach's knowledge so I suggested he add Drach to his syllabus.

[@williambinkley8879]

I served on the USS Bainbridge CGN-25 in the 1990s. The berthing compartment I was in had originally been a storage space. When the ship was first built it had almost half the crew that we had in the 90s. This had a couple of consequences. The first was that the head originally designed to be used by about 75 sailors was now used by 150 sailors. The second was a bit stranger and wasn’t discovered for years. Since the space was originally not intended to be crewed for long periods, it had no fresh air provided. We had a lot of problems with headaches and sleeping problems. Eventually the ship’s doctor put two and two together and figured out that there was a dangerous buildup of CO2. Since by this point the ship was only a couple years from retirement, the Nvy in its infinite wisdom decided to just put an emergency fan on top of the escape hatch on the main deck and ran trunking down through the escape hatches down to the compartment. Two problems with this, first was the noise levels, and second and more importantly was the loss of the escape route in the event of an emergency like a fire.

[@KJs581]

After a while serving on ships, you take everything on them for granted, but there really is a lot of integration and careful thought that goes into how everything fits together. I thought (seeing people seem to be interested in how ships work) I might share some thoughts on what does what. If people aren't interested, I can delete. If you are an ex Jack/matelot, scroll past, because all the below will be "suck eggs". I spent 40 years in my Navy (RAN) and early on the ships were mostly of Brit origin/design. I did 20 of those years at sea, and the oldest ships I served on were our Darings (3 postings to two of them) and our DE's (type 12 derived, served in 5 of the 6, double postings to two of them. Later I served in two of the Anzacs, but sea rode all ten. Now while the oldest ships I went to sea in were the Darings, my first job out of Navy apprentice school was refit work on our carrier "Melbourne" (in 1975) which was of WW2 light carrier design. Working on ships in refit, you get to go into compartments that you normally wouldn't, and seeing we were overhauling all the damage control cables, we had to go EVERYWHERE. The plans and blueprints were all WW2 vintage, and the range of compartments and nooks and crannies was just amazing. When you join up you do subjects like NBCD (Nuclear biological chemical defence) and "service knowledge". Service knowledge tells you gems like (that I still remember 50 years later) "potato lockers MUST be outside as large numbers of potatoes give off poisonous gases" (what the?) and "the ventilation of supply/extraction in heads and showers is biased toward extraction" (so steam/moisture and stink STAY in those compartments, as open doors have a flow of air from passgeways INTO those compartments. While ventilation you would think is basic, you have air cond, non air cond, and ventilation is tiered so that it flows (generally) from manned to unmanned. Then there is ventilation for magazines, pyro and lachrymetry lockers, and ventilation for fume generating areas (ie paint store.) Then (on some ships like the Darings) you have pressurised boiler rooms (open face boilers) that have to be kept at a certain positive pressure/enter and leave through an airlock. THEN there is the NBC citadel, and that has to have total ventilation recirc for operation through Nuclear fallout, and cleansing stations, where crews can go out onto the uppers to monitor radaition, and then re-enter the ship without contaminating the ship. And also have to carry enough NBC suits (charcoal impregnated), AND have to have pre-wetting (entire upper deck has sprinklers/sprayers to wash away nuclear fallout/dust.) That was during the cold war, we don't do it/not built in anymore. But as I joined in 73 when that was still a key issue, we had all that drummed into us. Then you have the stores. Dry stores, cold stores, fridges, freezers, fridge flats, victualling stores, engineering stores, lay apart stores, even the "Captains pantry store" and the canteen store. The water making and ability to carry is a priority as well. New ships have RO (reverse osmosis) units to make as much water as they like. All my time in Anzacs, never had to worry about water. But still had the "90 second shower" that was ingrained. Get in, get wet. Water off. Soap up, water on, wash off. You usually didn't turn the water off at peak times, as you'd all just rotate. Water on, get wet, get out, another bloke gets in while you soap up, once he's wet, you're ready to rinse off. Type 12's had individual shower cubicles, but Darings had a long trough with 3 shower heads above that - for about 100 blokes. So you HAD to rotate/share. Steam ships had lots of heat/steam, so their vaps were usually pretty good, although Draings had a crew of over 300, and if one of the two vaps went down = instant water restrictions. I was on a survey ship for a while, and that was diesel, no steam. So they had ONE electric flash vap that used to make about a ton of water an hour when it was operating perfectly, but usually about 3/4 of a ton. So we had special water saving regimes. Only one shower a day (have it after work, just have a "bird bath" in the morning), and we always wore "pirate rig" of shorts and tee shirt while at sea, not uniform (unless fire party or stokers down the hole.) Even then, we were always "losing" and using more than we made. So we would usually be at sea for 3 weeks surveying at a time, with 4 weeks at a pinch, then go alongside and fill up with water. We could go much longer with food/fuel/helo fuel, but water was what limited our time at sea. The other thing that is amazing on a ship is the organisation. The watch and station bill is an artform. A huge great "chart/spreadsheet" that takes into account EVERY person on the ship, every rank and rate, and where they will be for every evolution in every one of the dozen or so states (readiness/emergency etc) that the ship could possibly have to operate in. It records EVERY billet on the ship and assigns where they will be whatever happens. Again, one of the things the average sailor just "takes for granted." That is just a bit of rambling on how/what/where. Just from memory, so probably forgotten a bit. I joined in June 73, and wore my uniform for the last time in September 2013, (joined when I was 15, left at 55) so I have probably forgotten a LOT. :P While your page normally talks about battleships with far greater numbers in the crew, my experience ranges from over 300 (Darings), 250 (DE's), and 185 (Anzac FFH) personnel. But to see that many people crammed into that space/living with each other and around so much equipment/fluid/explosives/high voltage; and making use of every possible nook and cranny................................ it really is something to behold how the organisation works.............................. And I loved every minute of it. :-)

[@CrashLoveless]

This puts a whole new spin on your video about the salvage of the fleet at Pearl Harbour. It makes you realize just how onerous the job was of cleaning out all of the various store rooms, especially the meat and food lockers. We always knew it would’ve been an awful job, but it gets you to realizing just how much backbreaking smelly disgusting work that had to have been.

[@Kevin_Kennelly]

Rather Wonderful Drachisms of the Day. 22:52 "A rather wonderfully labeled 'Explosives and Grenades' ". 32:02 "The rather wonderfully named 'Supply Department: Acid Locker'. I will leave it to others to describe what the acids, stored aboard, are used for. Spoiler Alert: It's not quite as exciting as you might think." Bonus Drachism (not as wonderful): 35:16 "The rather entertainingly named 'Chemical Warfare Materials Stowage'."

[@khaelamensha3624]

Drachism are one of the things that makes this channel exceptional

[@johnathanmonkeysmacker420t2]

This is one of those times when I’m not sure which is more fascinating Drachinifel discussing this subject ,or the comments section from various naval personnel from various navies . This is prime entertainment, and info from all of you ,as also Drach . Thank you all for discussing ,and making sure history is never dead ,but instead so alive you can masticate it like a fine steak . May fair seas and pleasant winds guide all of you’s journeys ! So much appreciation all!

[@cameronsienkiewicz6364]

I honestly found the comments more entertaining than the vid lol.. soo many stories from former sailors lol

[@steveschulte8696]

A bit of commentary. The Ships Store and Comm office is not a storeroom, per se, it held the officers and CPO's of the supply division during the day. The Repair lockers are not stowage spaces, but store the equipment for damage control and to direct the DC teams when everything is on fire. There are many engineering storerooms that store those items needed quickly for day to day sailing. The SD storerooms forward and lower in the ship store large, heavy, and bulky items that could fit through the deck hatch. There is usually a pad eye above the hatch to attach a chain hoist, or block and tackle, to move items up and down. The supply department issue room on a carrier or newer LST was usually down a couple of ladders from the main deck. I did not like going down six ladders to get a part on a carrier. Or going down several ladders, through several 18" scuttles, and through several water tight doors during refresher training drills. Ships Service stores would be items like laundry soap, ships store is where you could buy a candy bar, and they had storerooms for them. Ships Servicemen (SSx ratings) are the people who sell candy and personal soap, wash the laundry, repair uniforms, and cut hair.

[@BalshazzarWastebasket]

oh , a battle ship awful lot of supplies, and naval history geeks need an awful lot of drachinifel post. could we make a story about the logistic issues of supplying naval history geeks with a steady supply of posts, which must be of the highest of quality, filled with dry humor, and based on thorough research.

[@jeromethiel4323]

Still have bad memories of being in a line handing boxes of food person to person to get it into the storerooms. That was on an old as hell cruiser. The aircraft carriers i was one had elevators and roller tables to move stuff around. Much easier, and the storekeepers basically managed the whole thing themselves, because it wasn't people moving the stuff around, except at the start of the system and at the end.

[@leevann5592]

in the 90's on a CVN the forward store rooms at the bottom were mostly filled with copy and printer paper. A lot of it! Office supplies and such were right above that for a few decks with the stuff that was not often used lower down. But most of it was copy paper. About 8 Semitruck loads of it if I remember correctly that all had to be hand carried and stacked to the roof. You had to hand carry it all the way from the forward hanger deck to the hatch going down, then down though a couple of berthing compartments then forward one berthing compartment, then down 4 or 5 decks and then stack it up. No pallet jacks or other useful tools in the passageways as they were tiled, and they did not want us to mess up the airdales pretty floors.

[@cmdrflake]

My father was a navigation officer in 1945. He had to attend navigation briefings on larger ships and from time to time he was “lucky” enough to be the presenter for that weekly meeting. For meetings on fleet carriers, they had little to grumble about. Space was tightest on the older battleships and cruisers. The absolute worst for him was when they met on old battleships, which were quite cramped. Escort carriers were rarely used except when certain senior officers insisted on remaining on their ships.

[@dimitriapostola3119]

Love the channel - can I suggest for a follow up, the next time you go on a field trip to a battleship of some sort, maybe you can do a special case first person view getting some generic supply into one of the store rooms so we might get a sense of what it looks like and how long it would take

[@billyshakespeare17]

Thanks Drach! This is right in my wheelhouse. I served in Rumor Control, Mess Deck Central aboard the USS Neverdock. We were home ported in Bumfuch, Egypt, ComCarTray, ComSrvButr.

[@michaelsommers2356]

On my ship, we kept the beer in the torpedo magazine.

[@huddunlap3999]

The phrase " E4 and below" comes to mind.

[@antonhengst8667]

Drach, please consider at some point in the distant future collaborating with an artist to produce a children's cutaway book of every system on, say, Richelieu. I would buy a copy for every child I know and my inner one as well

[@taichung465]

I was told by an old retired navy chief that they used to carry acid for topping off the old fashioned electric batteries used for emergency power aboard the navy ships of old.

[@nmccw3245]

“We are quite deep in the ship” - Drachinifel Truer words have never been spoken. 😂🤣😅

[@MarkJoseph81]

Drach, I've been following you for probably 6 or 7 years or so .... How do you STILL not YET have millions of subscribers!?

[@questionmark05]

USS Wisconsin is missing the most important storage room, the wine store! Or, even more importantl, the rum room! Also, considering they may have known about its fate aboard rodney, I'm surprised USS Wisconsin of all ships didn't create a dedicated cheese store in an armoured section, gotta protect the important things first.

[@jameshunter2993]

US ships where dry ships ...no alcohol except 'medicinal'.....officially

[@khaelamensha3624]

​@@jameshunter2993well us designers never understood that a dry ship is a ship without water inside the hull, nothing more 😂

[@Aiwendill]

this is not the french ship! nor british one! Instead you have ice cream machine here!

[@khaelamensha3624]

@Aiwendill with rum raisin flavor or colonel (vodka lemon 😋🥰)

[@thepsychicspoon5984]

​@@khaelamensha3624 Americans hate alcohol.

[@caseyo6033]

Spent a little time aboard a US ship, I think they called it "on-boarding". Whenever they called for that work party you better be very busy doing something else or near impossible to find. There are far more strenuous duties, that one just takes forever in what looks like a bucket brigade. Regarding the booze, we did have a "steel beach" party. Cases and Cases of name brand beer, a nominal limit of 2 beers per person. As this was a deployment to a combat zone perhaps it works different on regular floats, maybe on a regular float you just drink off ship but can confirm limited alcohol on US ships.

[@garysarratt1]

“All hands E4 and below report to the fantail to take on stores”

[@RCAvhstape]

I remember the beer being locked in the brig until the steel beach party. For protection of our virtue, of course.

[@caseyo6033]

@@RCAvhstape just gotta check on a long shot of coincidence here. Any chance your ship also released a few pallets of Diet Coke on the way back? I guess it was going to go off so they made it available for free. Being bored we had chugging competitions that led to lots of foam

[@RCAvhstape]

@@caseyo6033 I don't remember that, sorry.

[@williamromine5715]

I can't imagine how long it took to get a general idea of where the storage areas were. I assume storage rooms on modern carriers may be even more in numerous. Great video, as always.

[@droppedpasta]

Acid: Sulfuric for batteries, Citric for descaling boilers and the like. The first step when painting the Reactor Auxiliaries Room in my time on a carrier was daisy-chaining 5 gallon buckets of two part epoxy paint up 4 or 5 decks worth of ladders to the hangar deck, then carrying it across the hangar, then daisy-chaining it down 7 decks (with a p-way as a break). Herniated a disc in my back, good times

[@emmgeevideo]

A very interesting related video would be how inventory was managed during the war, i.e., prior to computer-based inventory management systems. I can imagine that it was relatively easy to find, say, a replacement fuse when you needed one. But at some point the inventory management people would need to order more to keep inventory levels at the required level. I would imagine that while the ship was at sea there would be an ever-growing list of supplies to be ordered and ready for loading when you get back to port. Even better would be an explanation of the ocean-going supply ships that serviced warships who weren't returning to port anytime soon.

[@garysarratt1]

NAVSUP 1250 requisition forms, tons and tons of them.

[@roberthilton5328]

In the 80s, the US Navy stocking of spare parts on ships between overhauls or commissioning was with the COSAL (Coordinated Shipboard Allowance?). The supply command back then (I recall it was in Pennsylvania) had an inventory management system based on analysis of criticality of the system and forecasted or actual demand of the part and its criticality. Back in the 80s I remember they were still using punch cards for entry of the parts.

[@garysarratt1]

@@roberthilton5328 Yup, until SNAP II started digitalizing the system.

[@Archangelm127]

Having administered half of a weeklong reenacting event by myself with nothing but a typewriter and a pencil, I too would be fascinated by how they managed inventory etc at scale. It's something you don't think about much in this computerized age... until you do, and you have an attack of existential dread.

[@vonnassau3481]

Love those, that go about naval logistics

[@Charmine42]

I know about the alcohol lockers on American warships. Any capital ship is going to play the role of floating embassy occasionally. Hosting ranking American politicians and foreign dignitaries. The alcohol lockers are for high end wine and liquor for dinner parties.

[@cmck472]

I thought US ships were dry?

[@orionstrehlow6816]

@@cmck472 Not navy, I'm shooting from the hip here. But I'm guessing it was not drinking alcohol but rather for cleaning machine parts and engines and the like. Still needs to be under lock and guard, sailors being what they are.

[@cmck472]

@@orionstrehlow6816 Fair point. Some people will drink anything!!!

[@yommish]

@@orionstrehlow6816 brings to mind Freddie (Joaquin Phoenix) in _The Master,_ a WWII Navy vet who concocts his own moonshine out of whatever chemicals he can get his hands on. (He later falls in with a cult, incredible film.)

[@pminoregon9072]

This video, more than any other, shows just how complicated it is to design a naval vessel.

[@glennsimpson7659]

And even more complicated to build one.

[@NickiesAdventureChannel]

Just what I needed today ! A drach upload … many thanks mate

[@CaptainFury767]

During two 7-month carrier deployments (CV66 1981 and CV61 1983) my world encompassed maybe five decks, and only a handful of compartments on those. Although clearly a battleship is going to be laid out and provisioned differently than an aircraft carrier, naturally many stores are common, and it is fascinating to see where all that stuff was kept, and why. Bravo Zulu, Drach! And yes, fresh water for the crew was much appreciated and often limited. On my conventionally powered ships, the priorities were boilers, catapults, crew - in that order. We spent a lot of time under "water hours", i.e. without potable water.

[@seanmalloy7249]

15:15 -- You also need to consider that, if you're going to be landing Marines, it's not something that a battleship would be expected to do on an off-the-cuff basis -- you're going to be planning it out well enough in advance that you have _time_ to pull the stores out of the compartment, the days of requiring weaponry to be at hand against the possibility of an order to board being long past. I notice in the refrigerated food storage areas that the fruit and vegetables have an increased void space between them and the hull;; I have to wonder if this was some naval designer expressing their belief regarding the value of fruit and vegetables in the crew's diet compared against meat. Or perhaps it was simply that frozen meat was less vulnerable to damage to the storage systems.

[@TonboIV]

30:54 Port side, just forward of frame 197, next to the detention cell, what the hell is "Lucky Bag C-338L"?

[@michaelwest4325]

Lucky Bag is lost and found aboard ship as far as I understand.

[@MrDmitriRavenoff]

It has replaced the Barrel from earlier days.

[@deathhog]

Finally a follow up to the much beloved naval logistics video. From the macro, to the micro logistics. Very pleased.

[@craigmorris4083]

Oh how I wish you would put out more vids on naval logistics. Thank you for this one. Very informative, as always Drach.

[@josephkyle1557]

would love to hear more about Naval food in future episodes.

[@khaelamensha3624]

Well if you do not have seen it, there is a great episode about wooden ship food with Drach in the kitchen of Lady Drachinifel. The fact this particular episode did not won an Emmy or academy award is one of 5he biggest scandal of the century

[@KR-hg8be]

Various editions of the cookbook of the US Navy are available for free or in print still. The ww2 edition I've looked through had quite a lot of recipes that had me wondering " did anyone ever actually cook this?", some of it was a lot more interesting than you would think.The descriptions of the food my grandfather's had in the navy during ww2 and Korea was generally pretty decent if you didn't mind it being kind of bland, one of the 2 was pretty happy with it being bland food even by the standards of the time. Ww2 sailor granddad said the food was one of the biggest reasons to join the navy, all the coffee you could drink and fresh white wheat bread every day was a real perk to a generation who had in some cases nearly starved to death or eaten nothing but cornbread and lard for long peiods of time during the depression. The tasting history channel has done a few navy food episodes, the Thanksgiving one was pretty impressive.

[@RCAvhstape]

From my experience, the first few days after leaving port the chow (aka "food" in the US Navy and Marines) is at its best because you are eating all the fresh stuff you loaded from the port. After that, out comes the powdered milk and eggs and so on and while it's not bad, it's kind of bland.

[@MakeMeThinkAgain]

I recall hearing about some USN ship that ended up with compartments that were not accessible. They were rediscovered when modifications were made to the ship later in its life. I bet that's not all that rare, given how complex these plans are.

[@Claymore5]

Fascinating breakdown Drach! Loved it!

[@tylerservies3380]

As a retired USN Supply Corps officer, I’d expect the ‘SD Storerooms’ to be repair parts storage. The stores for the laundry, ship’s store, etc.. have separately marked spaces as do the various types of food stuffs (which I believe you skipped right over the fresh provisions storage). Perhaps you don’t believe in veggies😂

[@jayschafer1760]

Drach has stated before that he's not a fan of most vegetables, so I'm going to assume that the oversight about the vegetable storeroom was intentional.

[@tylerservies3380]

@ That may be it. It was intentionally unintentional 😂.

[@thomasknobbe4472]

This is so fabulous, now I know where everything goes. For my next request, could you consider a discussion of battle damage, and damage control, keeping the location of all these different kinds of stores and ship's systems in mind? I read, and hear speak of "mild damage," and "moderate damage," and "catastrophic damage." I know that it is a bad thing to take a hit in the engineering spaces, and a very, very bad thing to take one near or in a barbette, where I now know most of the stuff that can go boom is located.. I would love to see you illustrate how this plays out, as well as how damage control parties do their work in light of how the ship is laid out.

[@williemurray8825]

"Ships Service Stores" are items used in areas such as barber shop, tailor shop, cobbler shop. "Ships Store" are items sold in same.

[@TheRealTburt]

Wanted to join the USCG as a storekeeper. I like logistics, particularly the receiving, storage, and inventory management side. Another interest of mine was loadmaster.

[@Archangelm127]

How'd it turn out?

[@Archangelm127]

I'd love to see a similar video for Age of Sail warships, assuming there were any themes or consistency whatsoever. :)

[@lawrencelewis2592]

We had two vertical tray conveyors on my ship. When were were loading food boxes someone (usually a Marine) was supposed to remove them from the tray at the proper level. Usually they didn't and the next tray came down it would crash onto the box that was there. Then the whole thing had to taken out of service for repairs. We eventually gave up on them and shut the doors to them and everything had to be hand carried down the ladders to the storerooms.

[@codebasher1]

This is beyond wonderful. My wife and I had the privilege of touring the uss independencer and uss mobile bay in 1992 in Australia. We utterly enjoyed the tour but I have always wondered where things like mess areas were etc etc below the hanger deck as we only had access to hanger and above.. By extrapolation I now understand. Thank you so much.

[@bullettube9863]

You forgot to point out the ice cream ingredients store room! All US navy ships had one, even, according to my father, on Destroyer Escorts! His ship had just one ice cream maker and when it broke down it was replaced quickly as it was considered a high priority item. I'm guessing the bigger the crew the bigger demand and thus more ice cream machines and more storage space.

[@KR-hg8be]

Even Pt boats had a freezer specifically for ice cream as it was considered a critical item for moral for guys serving in the tropics.

[@lawrencelewis2592]

My ship, the USS Guam LPH 9 didn't have an ice cream maker. Maybe there was one in the ward room but not in the enlisted mess decks

[@generalgrievous2202]

​@@KR-hg8bethere were modified pt boats designed to run around and deliver ice cream rations to marine troops during the various pacific island campaigns!

[@bullettube9863]

@@lawrencelewis2592 Strange, but in 1962 when the carrier was built it might not have been as important as it had been during WW2. Besides by this time frozen ice cream would have been available. So the question I ask did you ever get ice cream?

[@lawrencelewis2592]

@@bullettube9863 On the Guam? No, not once.

[@MartinCHorowitz]

Drach's new wallpaper design showing the storage layout of the Wisconsin should be a big seller this year.

[@WilliamClodius]

Thanks!

[@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513]

I was a cook in the RAN and stuff was stored all over the place. Fridge and freezer was in the focsle under my mess, 2-23.. trying get boxes out down there in heavy seas was fun and not fun at the same time. I can't remember where the dry store was, I think it was aft somewhere.

[@Alsadius]

*looks at video title* Into the ships, I'd imagine?

[@mark_wotney9972]

You did a great job of preparing the graphics.

[@canhelpwithgames]

regarding marine storeroom its likely just rubber rafts and inflatables and weapon and garrison equipment in case of mutiny type deal likely nearby is the Marine ship guard barracks or this store room would be the controlled and locked room with weapons 15:00 oh and the locker at 37:30 is definitely the storage for mutiny prevention time i'd wager the below deck storage for landing would entail more specific equipment for landing and maybe be a "crew served" weapon storage IE machine guns and storage of defensive things like sandbags and razor wire *unfilled obviously but for those that don't know that can't hurt to specify* but i don't know the specifics as i never served aboard a navy ship back at this point i know nowadays store rooms like that one at 15:00 is generally where those defensive items would be stored as its a little more important to take the beach and the ground first before you worry about securing it ( ie there is more time for the navy crew to haul things up)

[@FrankBarnwell-xi8my]

All available hands for replenishment detail! Amazing how much painting is required for fighting

[@benvandermerwe4934]

Majestic music and that railing canvas being ripped to shreds by the gunblast. Here we go.

[@antoninuspius1747]

Ahhhh, logistics!!!! A favorite subject of mine. Really. I study the US Civil War and I laugh when you see/hear of a general being criticized for an action by KZbinrs and there's no understanding of how logistics played a critical role in his decision.

[@jesseestrada8914]

I was a us marine who came home from Iraq on the bonn hom Richard. I have vague memories of helping the mess sailors stock the freezers. All I remember is how massive it was

[@brookeshenfield7156]

Aloha! Mahalo for the fascinating video. I did not know how interesting this subject could be. This was a very interesting look at storage.

[@trescatorce9497]

i'm amazed at the draftsmen skills. no CAD BS. hand drawn all the way. how big were the original drawings?. i know it's a female dog to do, but for this video it would help to see a particular deck relative to the waterline.

[@jetdriver]

I think it’s noteworthy that in between the water tanks in the center of the ship and the fuel oil tanks at the ends there is a cofferdam void space obviously to help prevent contamination. It’s also interesting that they placed the diesel tanks up against that cofferdam at both ends. Finally I noted that the three centerline tanks for drinking water were placed under the engine rooms which makes sense.

[@tallsamjones1489]

Would love to see this detailed breakdown for the rest of the ship

[@Oliepolie]

Im not sure if this would interest you (or perhaps youve already covered it) but maybe you could make a video about the various methods of rescue downed naval pilots or seamen had to go through, i.e. floation devices and forms of signaling (besides the mark 1 eyeball) and maybe even their evolution over the course of time.

[@ScienceChap]

Really interesting video Drach. Paint stores are actually quite dangerous. The marine paints used have historically been quite nasty substances, both because of the evaporation of solvents and their general flammability. Paint stores need to be secure, ventilated and have good fire suppression systems available.

[@amnucc]

@Drachinifel have you done any segments of the logistics required to operate USN fleets across the Pacific and away from established naval facilities? The Ulithi Anchorage recreated a naval base with: - fuel stores - ammunition - food stores - recreation facilities - floating drydocks and repair facilities - hospitals and other medical facilities All were transported across the Pacific (thousands of miles) and had to established from nothing. After establishment they had to be supplied on a continuous basis. The amount of Industrial and shipping capacity needed to ready and supply a military force so far from home boggles my mind.

[@ctrl_6256]

On the lowest deck, the second most forward water tank on the starboard side is labeled, in the plans, as freshwater. What's the reason behind your labeling it as reserve feed water? (at 08:34)

[@glypnir]

I noticed that too. And it messes up the zigzag pattern.

[@Goatcha_M]

Another reason to have the liquid stores low in the ship is that liquids tend to slosh around, which can cause instability.

[@SS-ec2tu]

On the WWII Gearing I was on, fresh water was at a premium. So, Navy shower: Turn water on briefly to wet yourself, turn off, soap yourself, turn water briefly on to rinse, dry, done.

[@isaiahjerue6564]

Hey Drach, I'm very interested in the developmental history of French ironclads throughout the 1850s through to the 1860s similar to your developmental history of British ironclads video series and would much appreciate a series of videos on that topic, thank you.

[@bryansmith1920]

Drach the one thing I can promise as a 70yr old Brit that has crewed, Sailing Yachts, I would(although I'm scared of heights) man a Ship o the Line, I would man a Iron Man o War, as long as it wasn't coal powered(until I was 8yrs old my family home had Coal fires back boilers also)to this day the Stink of coal dust makes me Gag, But one year I shared a flotilla holiday yacht, with a Sub-Marineer(current on leave from a RN sub)whenever we put the Iron sail on, he could be found, snuggled up to the engine-box 🤔🤔🤔

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

If CPO Pertwee is involved, then they go to his Uncle Ebenezer, and any item with the monogram WD was supplied by a generous benefactor, Mr Wensley Dale. Plus, he has a dozen witnesses who will swear blind that he was nowhere near whatever it was whenever it went missing.

[@DanielsPolitics1]

And it’s a pure blind co-in-sidence

[@tjmcdermott]

Fantastic presentation. Would you consider doing a similar presentation for the KGV class?

[@williambinkley8879]

The Landing Force lockers did not contain any ammunition, at least on the ships I served on. What it did have was things like weapons lockers and the things needed for sustaining a force ashore. This included things like flak jackets and helmets, rain ponchos and sleeping bags, and even optics like night vision sights and binoculars.

[@larryaftertheroad6174]

You forgot to mention the storeroom for storing unruly sailors on the 3rd deck.

[@watershedwonders1744]

While on reping, its saw many noteworthy things, the most eye opening was hotdogs that were grade E, but edible. That ruined the wonderful mac amd cheese that had hotdogs sliced up and added per the recipe card.

[@smokerjim]

"How to Build a Successful Modern Navy - A Work in Many Parts by D'Agostini...er...Drachinifel, in all good newsagents now! Free Storage Folder with Part 2!"

[@dave3156]

Very well done Drach--excellent way of color coding and summarizing the various types of storage. I wonder if the chemical storage may contain starlight shells? Great job thanks!!!

[@lewiswestfall2687]

Thanks Drach

[@RichardFarnsworth-l7w]

My father 8:33 8:36 8:39 8:40 8:41 8:43 8:45 USMC got tour of duty as supply officer. He had a tale of ordering chopper parts and getting an entire chopper as spare parts D

[@clintwurm1802]

Dry stores had equipment or dry products. One would use a microfishe and get the Nato Stock number to find the details of what the item was. Batteries, flashlights, and "safety glasses" that were short drinking glasses for rum lmol.

[@andy4an]

35:11 "chemical warfare materials stowage" is a pretty funny name for that! thanks for all the color coding, that's fantastic

[@pgsailors]

Did the IJN fair better than IJA, regarding essentials such as food and medical supplies, during the Guadalcanal/ New Guinea campaign? Did they suffer similar maladies as the IJA, such as uncontrollable diarrhea? I'm guessing the IJN had an edge on supplies , but general health is not mentioned much, if ever. Thanks for your productions, they are much appreciated.

[@lzappa9109]

Really excellent, thank you.

[@tomthx5804]

Another question about the weaknesses inherent in battleship design - why did so many ships that blew up, start the blowing up process by their secondary armament magazines blowing up first, which led to the main magazines blowing up. Supposedly, this happened to Hood, and Arizona, and a couple others that blew up.

[@joehealy6376]

Modern ships have more storage for consumables as things like armored 16inch guns, barbettes, hoists, armor take up lots of space and weight which needs displacement. Missiles are very big but launchers are very small compaired to 16 inch gun turret and barbette.

[@NeistH2o]

Amazing video thank you so much!

[@crazybarryfam]

Get out to the museums to see it in person!

[@pmgn8444]

Would love a logistic video on the RN for 1860 to 1914. So how did the RN support it's world ports and coaling stations from 1860 to 1914? How did coal get to the Falklands in this time period? The RFA didn't start till 1905.

[@jimsvideos7201]

Great fun, thank you.

[@willythemailboy2]

28:12 I would assume the "ship's store storeroom" would be storage for the ship's store, so the various toiletries, trinkets, and other things sold to the sailors in the ship's store that aren't strictly speaking Navy issue.