USS Nevada - Guide 041 (Human Voice)

[@Drachinifel]

Pinned post for Q&A :)

[@bkjeong4302]

Best warship ever in terms of combat cost-efficiency?

[@tomprice6918]

Drachinifel if you could put any crew from any ship regardless of crew number ex/destroyer crew on a battle ship / what ship would you pair with what crew (preferred axis to allies )

[@JYF921]

This is a repeat of my question: How and why did the light cruiser ROCN Chongqing (formerly HMS Aurora) defect to the Chinese Communists on 2/25/1949?

[@sirtoast4502]

I've noticed in a few old games that portray the Pearl Harbor attack, the Nevada is seen/stated as making an attempt to leave the Harbor. Is there any truth to this and what would have happened if Nevada had attempted to make it out to sea, what would be the outcome be if she somehow manage to escape Pearl Harbor.

[@stevehomeier8368]

I know it's been touched on before; I'd like to see a more detailed analysis of flash protection in ammunition storage/handling and how it has gone horribly wrong historically. Seems to be endemic in British battlecruisers but I'm sure there are other examples.

[@adamdubin1276]

You know that a ship is very well built when she takes multiple attempts to sink her, while she is not being crewed.

[@leftcoaster67]

And even nuked.

[@MrSilverfish12]

@@leftcoaster67 nuked twice!

[@Yayaloy9]

By a 17 inch gun.

[@Tomyironmane]

@@leftcoaster67 Nuked twice and used as a gunnery target for 16" naval guns. I think they underestimated the quality of that armor.

[@RK18771]

It is Quincy built after all!

[@spookyshadowhawk6776]

The Nevada was such a proud ship, that after surviving nuclear attack, she was positively Glowing!

[@reverendrico5631]

Two in fact.

[@85gamingwot55]

I see what you did their

[@danagiles5100]

Second one they painted her orange to mark her as the primary target...nope...not sinking today kids.

[@colbypupgaming1962]

​@@danagiles5100well they painted her bright orange because they didn't think the Air Force could hit her. They were right in the end.

[@buckduane1991]

A family friend who passed away a few years ago served on the Nevada. His job in battle was loading cordite charges into the breach of the after twin main turret, and during the duel with the German shore battery he popped the hatch and said they were so close to land he was sure the Germans had no issue with discerning exactly which solitary finger he was “saluting” them with... on Saturday nights, his off duty job was setting up and running the movie projector onboard. His name was Frank Cox, and he is missed... I only learned of his time serving on the Nevada shortly before his death, so I missed an opportunity to learn and retain history. All I know for sure is he, but most certainly the Nevada, may have very well saved the life of my step-father’s dad who was a Seabee pinned down by Japanese artillery and radioed for help, Nevada responding with indignation toward the mistreatment of the Naval Engineers by putting a pinpoint full salvo onto the battery. It was a decade after both had passed on and several years in between when I realized both stories were connected, just hearing one from the wife of Frank who fired the gun and from my late grandmother who knew the story of grandpa who was on the shore. They met once at my mom’s wedding, but neither had any idea they had met once before in 1945... just how things work out. Nevada truly deserved a chance to be preserved, but seeing how the Texas has been left to rot, all I can do is wonder and wish. Also, USS Nevada BB-36, is the only battleship whose hull number matched her state, Nevada being the 36th state in the Union.

[@luke1730]

36 interesting # my father served on this ship

[@InchonDM]

USS Nevada has been my favorite US warship basically since I learned she existed as a child. Defiant and brutally tough--other ships survived the atomic bomb blasts, but when you consider Nevada was serving as the _target ship_, the fact that she both survived, and then survived a hammering by a ship almost thirty years younger than her, becomes exponentially more impressive.

[@silverknight0871]

And the bombardment lasted for 5 days and for 5 nights just to make it better. Even at the bottom of the ocean, the deck is relatively undamaged and she hasn't tipped over because nothing will sway the USS Nevada BB-36.

[@davidwiner8571]

Ships like the Nevada had a soul and didn't want to die. Sad ending for this great ship

[@legionx4046]

She survived 2 fucking nukes and 5 days of bombardment how is that sad ?

[@josiahricafrente585]

My great-grandfather served as a cook aboard the USS Oklahoma. He survived thanks to getting some shore leave, and had he not, I wouldn’t exist.

[@SoonerDan77]

My great grandfather was on Oklahoma's shakedown crew and for a few years after, as a native Oklahoman it was a source of pride for him to serve on his home state and as a Okie myself definitely feel that after Pearl Nevada carried the torch for her sister Oklahoma.

[@josiahricafrente585]

Daniel Heald that’s awesome sir! Thanks for sharing

[@AJ.Roberts]

A lucky man 👌

[@josiahricafrente585]

AJ Roberts most definitely.

[@matthewrobinson4323]

One of my profs in college had served aboard the Oklahoma, and survived 12/7/41. His name was Frank Thompson. He and I had a lot in common, both being Navy vets.

[@admiraltiberius1989]

Nevada covered herself in glory on the morning of December 7th. Trying to make it to the open sea whulr under constant air attack. She managed to claw down a few Japanese planes as a symbolic giant middle finger. Oklahoma never got a chance sadly. Nevada wasnt as famous as her two older cousins, Texas and Arkansas, in the shore bombardment missions. But her fire was accurate, and delivered on time. Shame she wasn't at Surigao strait in place of the Mississippi, that would have made that battle even more ironic.

[@toddwebb7521]

Well if the Phillipenes had been delayed a couple of months as a couple of admirals had suggested (but was decided against) the Dragoon bombardment forces coming to the Pacific from the bombardment of southern France could have also been around. There was Nevada, Texas, New York, and Arkansas as well as one of the New Mexico's that was being refit at the time (Idaho iirc) joined them after they got to the west coast of the US. They also had quite a few cruisers and destroyers with them in particular 8" heavy cruisers. There could definitely have been a different surigao and Samar if it had been later.

[@alexmiller2089]

Living 30 minutes from the capitol of the state of Nevada, it's pretty awesome to see the ship's bell on display at the capitol building. She was a proud and well built ship that was named after a landlocked high desert state that has no seafaring tradition whatsoever.

[@denniswobbe3157]

But she lived up to the state's motto. Battle Born.

[@sarjim4381]

There is a good display of USS Nevada artifacts at the Nevada State Museum in Carson City. One of the things they seem most proud of the Japanese couldn't sink her, and she put up a fight all the until the end when the US tried to do the same. :-)

[@southronjr1570]

A truly sad end to such a tough ship with a storied career.

[@Bovey100]

Completely agree! Shame she was never preserved.

[@Bovey100]

Completely agree! Shame she was never preserved.

[@petman515]

While being pounded by guns she was never realy designed to take hits from.

[@Betrix5060]

@@Bovey100 I mean she was nuked, used as target practice, and sunk via torpedo. Considering it took the last one to finish her off I would consider it a pretty good sendoff.

[@jasonclark5484]

Nevada state motto: "Battle Born", Nevada state slogan: "All for Our Country" This ship lived up to both.

[@silverknight0871]

Don't forget the crew because they also lived up to the motto and slogan. During the attack on Peral Harbor, a person was shot through the leg but refused to leave his AA Battery and three days later with his leg amputated, he returned to duty on the ship Nevada, plus while it was making its run for the ocean they rescued Arizona survivors. At the D-Day invasion, she was stationed at Utah beach and when helping the paratroopers and the 4th infantry division a loader broke his finger between two shells but the officer didn't notice till 2 hours and 10 minutes later then replaced him with another person. they were on of the only ships to be able to help the troops as the naval men rotated around and only slept up to an hour each and all that time she was right on target to where they needed her firepower. An example of this is that on June 8th a firing mission was called against a formation 90 tanks and 20 lorries, in 20 minutes the spotter told them that the fire was very effective and all the targets were destroyed or damaged and none getting away. Sorry this was long I'm just very affectionate so to speak about history I find very neat.

[@tomsbasement4884]

My grandfather served on the Nevada from the post-Pearl refit through to the end of the war. He was in damage control and the only wartime photo I have of him is where they're cleaning out a 40mm gun emplacement that was struck by enemy fire and he is standing to the side leaning on a broom... gotta love Pops. Anyway thanks for putting this video up and letting me see some more of his ship. I have always believed a fitting end to the US involvement in WW2 would have been the Japanese signing the surrender documents on board the USS Nevada, she was there at the start and should have been where it ended but alas, history had other plans and she was patrolling off Japan when it was over.

[@rafaelcarasig4248]

u.s.n.:how many nukes would you like? uss nevada:yes.

[@robinbrennan2531]

Thanks Drach , now I'm catching up with your earlier content while in hospital. You have a captive audience for a week or so. Thank You

[@GrahamCStrouse]

robin brennan Get better soon, mate!

[@RobJaskula]

Good luck with your refit, hope you're out of dry dock soon 👍

[@robertmccloud7905]

Nicely done. My Dad was on the Nevada at Pearl Harbor, and through the rest of the war (Normandy, Okinawa, etc). I actually have a his copy of his after action report from December 8, 1941. He is somewhere on the bow fighting fires on the photo you have of the Nevada beached in the channel near Hospital Point. 😊

[@luke1730]

My father was discharged August 1941 or I would not be here…where he was stationed on this ship I was told it was blown up

[@luke1730]

My uncle Paul Harr was on the Nevada DECEMBER 7, 1941…he would never talk about what he saw…I did hear a few things but very little

[@adamantium1983]

Best ship ever to sail the seas (for her time). What great vessel Nevada was.

[@dinoco3672]

Eh not really.

[@namelessentity5851]

Even if cage masts were not that swift, they looked cool.

[@hektor6766]

They looked like a wastepaper basket and a floorstand ashtray got busy together.

[@bigblue6917]

Some of these old girls are to stubborn to sink. 'Listen, I survive the Japanese I can survive you.'

[@kenl9215]

It may have been previously stated, but the USS Nevada was the only ship in the Pearl Harbor attack that got underway. She did beach herself, but it wasn’t just to prevent sinking. It was to prevent blocking the mouth to the harbor. A masterful stroke of nautical genius!

[@georgewnewman3201]

USS Oklahoma was actually salvaged, underwent partial repairs at Pearl Harbor, but sunk while being towed back to the mainland for more extensive repairs. This brought the total number of ships unrecoverable after the Pearl Harbor Attack at 3. USS Nevada's captain had her beached to prevent her being sunk in the channel that serves as the entrance to the harbor. She was one of the 18 ships that would be repaired and returned to service.

[@tyk.6406]

Minor detail, but that's a Pennsylvania at 3:00.

[@TwistedSisterHaratiofales]

LOL, yea, I noticed that also.

[@SoonerDan77]

I noticed the superfiring triple turret myself and thought "wait that's not a Nevada"

[@Depipro]

Indeed.

[@JohnRodriguesPhotographer]

When you consider how many Torpedoes Oklahoma took to be up Beyond economical repair, and the Damage inflicted upon Nevada at Bikini Atoll and subsequent live-fire exercise drama with no damage control, the divider class was one tough class of battleships.

[@Eric_Hutton.1980]

The Warspite of the U.S. Navy.

[@legogenius1667]

Texas too

[@rdfox76]

Hey, Drach? One little thing. Nevada was used as a target at Crossroads in 1946, not 1948; she was SINKEXed along with the other surviving target ships as being too contaminated to ever successfully decontaminate and scrap in 1948.

[@peteford7258]

I grew up near a Navy veteran of Pearl. He was on the Nevada when they tried to make it out of the harbor.

[@baconpwn]

"Sank once, got bored. Not going to do it again." - Nevada in a nutshell

[@stevehomeier8368]

Thanks, now I know what 'standard' is

[@OtakuLoki]

Not only did she survive both Able and Baker tests at Bikini Atoll, she had been intended to be the ground zero target for the Able test - to that end she was painted bright orange to help the Air Force flyboys recognize her and hit her. They missed - by about 710 yards - which did much to help her survive the Able test.

[@renaultft1917]

She scared em away

[@alexwells225]

Fun fact: the USS Nevada is the only battleship whose designation number matches the state number from which it is named after. Being BB-36, and Nevada being the 36th state in the Union.

[@fredmaxwell9619]

If you listen to The History Guy's video on the USS Nevada you get a much better feel for the ship. Drachinifel did say Nevada was refitted after Pearl Harbor and it must of been some refit since during D-Day operation she was the only Battleship supporting Utah beach and she fired 14" shells 34K yards at least once inland in support of troops.

[@DriveByShouting]

Here’s to BB-37; USS OKLAHOMA. (I wonder where her exact final resting place is). SSN-802, The First Virginia Class Block V Submarine will be named in honor of The USS Oklahoma. The first use of that name since the Original. Under Construction now.

[@Drachinifel]

Pinned post for Q&A :)

[@philipjooste9075]

At 6:08 the beautiful bulbous bow of the Nevada shows off nicely. While other nations used this type of bow for well over a century, designers of RN capital ships resisted, and only recently (QE and PoW) followed suit! WHY??

[@SoonerDan77]

My great grandfather's ship was Oklahoma for her shakedown and a few years after. I have heard that the U.S. Navy was trying to figure out if turbines or triple expansion engines were the way to go for the standard battleships. However with the experience that other Navies had with turbines was this really necessary?

[@adamwash917]

...by and aidropped torpedo. THATS IT FOR THIS VIDEO

[@davidellis4084]

When I hear about how light the armor was and see how much it took to sink her, I have to wonder if the assumptions and calculations were correct.

[@turbowolf302]

Every day my man rapidfire posts, is a day I binge-watch stuff on warships. I just cannot stand or take seriously that robit voice.

[@Straswa]

Great work Drach, I enjoy your vids.

[@pdunderhill]

The indignity, Atomic weapon testing, further attacks by Iowa and a sister and then an air dropped torpedo.

[@MrChickennugget360]

worse than being cut up for razor blades? better to go out with a blaze of glory than be cut up for scrap

[@matthewrobinson4323]

Excellent video, as always. I'm so glad you dropped the Dalek-voice. And your properly referring to the ship as "she". Btw, Stateside there are at least 3 different ways to pronounce the name of the state of Nevada. In the West, it's a as in apple, in the East, it's like the o in hot, and in Missouri, it's a long a, as in gate.

[@ridgely1635]

The only right way to say it is the western way. Sincerely a local

[@matthewrobinson4323]

@@ridgely1635 As a recovering Californian, I agree.

[@mdit21]

On December 7th, 1941 Nevada began the day berthed on Battleship Row, singly and last in line. Directly in front of her was the ill-fated Arizona.

[@AlteryxGaming]

6:02 Ah yes, the USS NeVAda

[@audiocity2023]

I like how Uss Nevada is a Battleship got hit by 2 nukes but refuse to sink.

[@Dlr_photoart]

Wensday done thanks for that awsome as always, tough old girl😉

[@williamm.3612]

Nevada: "Nukes, please"

[@tomstech4390]

America: Nuke or death? Nevada: Oh, nukes please America: Well we're all out of nukes! We didn't know there would be such a rush. Nevada: So my choice is "or death?"....well then I'll have the chicken then please. Its an eddie izzard skit about cake or death, its a thing.

[@copperhamster]

The USN was amazed to find out that armored warships with all hatches sealed are ludicrous on toast when it comes to taking atomic bomb hits. Your choices are blow it up underwater basically under the keel, or have a ground burst close enough that the core fireball hits it. Airbursts don't generate enough heat to melt the armor, just set things like decking and stuff on fire, and the over-pressure from a nuclear bomb is less than the effective 'hit' of an armor piercing shell. I think there was a World War 1 era *cruiser* in the Bikini Atoll tests that took both bombs and had to be torpedoed.

[@richardvernon317]

Nevada was the target for the first Crossroads test and was painted a red / orange colour so that she would stand out to the Bombardier on the B-29 that was suppose to drop an Air burst 20KT Fat Man A Bomb directly over her. The Bomb actually missed the aiming point by 1600 metres.

[@luked7525]

Slight note about the fitting of Oklahoma post-refit: Her casemate-mounted 5"/51s were moved up to the gunhouse, which only mounted 10 of the weapons. two of them were carried yet another deck higher, fore of the 5"/25s. Sometime before 1941 Oklahoma lost these two weapons. When she gained her 3"/50s two of them displaced the aforementioned 5"/51s. (She also had 8 Browning .50s fitted to platforms on her masts.) I am not as familiar with Nevada's exact fitting at the time of the attack, but it would make sense if a similar exchange was carried out, as the .50s can be seen in the photo of her beached after the attack.

[@glencrandall7051]

Thank you for sharing.🙂🙂

[@salfox1820]

First! Good episode. I wonder if the ship ever hosted a casino night?

[@LordEvan5]

Could you do USS New Hampshire my great grandfather was a torpedo man on this ship

[@CDNShuffle]

i can listen to this while WoWS updates

[@dontran391]

IF USS Nevada was a Museum Ship (instead of being scrapped or sunk at Bikini Atoll), would it be possible if Nevada ship be docked at Laughlin Nevada at the Colorado River as a tourist attraction. Thing is, can they move the Nevada upstream from the mouth of the Colorado River at Baja Mexico to the destination resting place of Laughlin Nevada. (NOTE: this is just a "What If" scenario if Battleship Nevada was NOT scrapped or sunk at Bikini Atoll)

[@MakeMeThinkAgain]

Curiously, Drachinifel omitted the most widely known facts about the Nevada (because this is "class" and not "ship." But since I've started this...) The USS Nevada was the only BB to get underway during the Pearl Harbor raid and, by doing so risked blocking access to the harbor. It was very fortunate that she was able to beach herself before she sank in deeper water. This is a good thing to consider when you think about alternative histories where the USN ships are better prepared for the raid. If more ships had boilers fired, chances are the consequences would have been dire.

[@crazybarryfam]

Get us some detailed footage of the wreck and expand this like the great hero of nerds like us that you are!!

[@TwistedSisterHaratiofales]

Ah, The twins. Well 2 of them anyway. Nevada and Oklahoma. California and Tennessee come to mind also. I am 3D modeling them for World of Warships, although the Communist Bastards most likely wont use them. LOL, thats ok, I can put them in my own game in the future. They were the oldest active Battleships at Pearl Harbor on Dec, 7. The Texas and New York were the oldest two Battleships in the Navy that day but neither was at Pearl when it was bombed. Nevada was the first to raise steam and attempt an escape from the harbor and almost ended up blocking the channel way but quick thinking on the part of her captain running her aground as she sank saved the ship and kept the through way clear for ship movement in the channel. If the water would have been 20 foot deeper the ship would probably been a total loss and had to been scrapped in place. Oklahoma really got the worst end of the stick receiving like seven torpedo hits all on one side that caused her to roll over to almost a full 180 degree list. The movie makes it look completely rolled over but it wasnt a complete 180. It was still bad enough though that around 34 men ended up trapped and dying inside her hull. As far as I know, these were the only 2 battleships in U.S. history that were built with the 10 main gun set up with the inner super firing high turrets carrying two barrels, whilst the lower ship end turrets carried the the 3 barrel arrangement. This was designed to save weight in the ships, and to slightly cut cost of their construction. It is also noted that these were the last 2 American Battleships to be propelled with 2 screws, and were the first to carry main turrets with the three main guns. So the main gun arrangement was also somewhat of a comparison study as it was considered to build the ships with 8 - 14 inch guns instead of 10, but was deemed that 8 guns would not be sufficient in that calibre, and would be a step backwards. It was partially true that the two gun turrets could be fired in a quicker manner than the three gun turrets could be, but sense the ship normally would fire the gun pairs or whole main battery at once for accuracy it was found that this was somewhat of a silly argument and that they should have mounted four turrets with the three gun arrangement. One of the only other countries to have battleships with this gun arrangement on their ships was Italy with some world war one ships that actually had 5 ships with 12.5 inch guns and having a center turret located in the midships area. In the interwar period these ships were modernized instead of Italy building new ships to replace them, and the center turrets were removed. There were 5 of these ships in 2 similar classes, however one ship had been scrapped so Italy ended up fielding four of these older battleships with the 10 - main gun set up. Back to Nevada and Oklahoma though. Again as stated Oklahoma only saw action on the morning of the harbor bombing and received a bitch slapping so fast that she and Arizona basically didn't even get a chance to put up their hands in their own defense. Luckily the Japanese didn't send more waves of planes in as they probably could have sunk or damaged every battleship in the harbor beyond repair as was their intent, but Admiral Nagumo decided that the element of surprise had been lost and he didn't want to risk his aircrew lives by continuing airstrikes. This was probably accurate and they would have had more trouble on further strikes, however if they would have bombed the fuel oil reserves, and further hit the battleships that were still intact they could have set back the American fleet even further into what could have been recovered. The old battleships that were all repaired and rebuilt at an astronomical price and did end up going back into the war such as Nevada, California, Tennessee, mainly basically were out of action for the first two years of the war when we needed them most, and served as good shore bombardment platforms in the end of the war, then were scrapped or nuked at Bikini Atoll. Its to bad that Texas being one of the older pre WW2 battleships was the only one to become a museum. All for Iowa's, North Carolina and 2 of the South Dakota's are lucky enough to have been saved. Prinze Eugan could have been, but they Nuked her along with Nevada, and New York.

[@jamesbugbee6812]

You dropped Arkansas &, to a certain extent, Wyoming.

[@CircsC]

Mildly radioactive, just like her namesake.

[@chrisallen9706]

I think I heard she was the 1st battleship designed with anti aircraft capacity & also the 1st with oil fired boilers. As all other ships used coal, her 1st operations were limited to New York region because that was the only facility that could supply fuel oil.

[@gings4ever]

man Nevada trying to run out the port while her AA guns are cranking wildly is probably the most crazy yet biggest middle finger the battleship could do against the airstrikes

[@briandowning5264]

Actually that was battle doctrine at the time. In the event of attack the battleships were to exit the harbor, come parallel to the beach, and bring their main guns to bear. BTW, the reason that she was able to get underway that morning, was because the ChEng (Chief Engineer) had ordered switching over from one boiler to another in order to perform maintenance on the first boiler. When the Japanese attacked, Nevada already had steam up in both boilers.

[@koltp1909]

Titanic: i am unsinkable USS Nevada: hold my beer

[@knightlife98]

I've always wondered which design was better, five: double-gun turrets or three: triple-gun turrets? I never gave much thought to the storage of the "Go BOOM!" munitions and materials. Which is pretty daft on my part, I admit. Thanks for the video Drach, very helpful for what I am doing at the moment.

[@mayuri4184]

SHOUNEN!

[@willrogers3793]

*I AM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY OWN LUCK*

[@Scarheart76]

USS Nevada. Maximum turtle speed!~

[@Sky_Eden]

Another video after 30 mins Noice Instant like

[@Aelvir114]

1:22 yep, that’s me in a Colorado in WoWs lol

[@jesse8381]

Same

[@jimtalbott9535]

"And that would make them sad....." - yes - you've GOT to have a chance to exersize dem' secund uhmendment rights!

[@Depipro]

You mean the right to get shot by random strangers?

[@Depipro]

@@jimtalbott9535 Yeah I've read and/or heard about that one... that's a very special right reserved for very special occasions, which I prefer to avoid a priori.

[@raindrain1]

I don't know where the second amendment enters WIR battleship combat, but consider this: The crew of the ship left behind might be sad, but the crews of the ships in combat without their backup might be dead.

[@baileyyeager1376]

My Great Grandfather served as the XO. Howard Yeager

[@Vigilance108]

even the USS Nevada rendered HMS Dreadnought obsolete because she had triple gun turrets

[@danielcarman296]

Very minor issue. At the 3:07 mark, the picture is not a Nevada class since it has a triple gun turret superfiring over another triple gun turret.

[@c2757]

I was surprised to find that there was also an HMS Nevada in WW2, partly because of the opportunity for confusion if the two ships end up in the same area once the two navies are allegedly co-operating. Given that HMS Nevada was a slightly armed trawler I'll leave the possibilities to the imagination.

[@scooterdescooter4018]

1st nuke detonates. Nevada: "Hey, what was that? kinda stung a bit." 2ed nuke detonates Nevada: "Damn, I got sunburned a bit. What else ya got?"

[@The_Dipship]

*really happy noises*

[@jc1701]

Only BB to get underway during the pearl harbor attack. Then to go on to fight in both fronts to victory. Nevada should have been the BB the Japanese signed the surrender on. Then can you imagine seeing Pearl today with the Mighty Mo, the Arizona memorial and Nevada lined up. Showing the beginning, then the fight and outcome of don't sneak attack America or allies ever. What a memorial to Free People's determination to fight for Freedom that would have been.

[@alexandermonro6768]

Thanks, Drach, for another informative and entertaining video. But please could you sort out the audio levels? The main content sounds about 10 dB down on the intro and outro!

[@bullettube9863]

The Nevada in 1911 was originally designed for 12 guns. But the technical department mistakenly submitted a budget for the New York class, which limited displacement to 27k tons. Congress, which was angry that the Navy kept increasing the cost of their proposals, decided to hold them to the original bid. This was the period when Senator Tillman was demanding better budget discipline from the US Navy. I suspect there were other political reasons such as the Army versus Navy feud, and government spending in general. You have to remember that the American income tax would not come into effect until 1913, and the US government at the time had run out of land to sell so it's income was limited. Strangely, the US Navy was designing ships even before the previous class had been launched and tested! The Nevada was thus launched with guns mounted in the hull just as it was being proven it was a bad idea in the previous classes.

[@vespelian5769]

She was painted bright orange for her planned demise.

[@Zaprozhan]

Quote from Aladdin, " HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO KILL YOU, NEVADA?!?"

[@4C0-q7h]

I question why they didn't keep it as a historical ship than trying to destroy it after taking so many hits

[@johnnash5118]

It would be very interesting to comprehensively compare the state of each combatant's quality of steel and layering practices from pre-dreadnaught to the super-Battleships. In so many of your videos, you compare the armor thicknesses on a one-to-one basis, even though there were advances made excluding or shared by these combatants; thus, 1.3" German armor may or may not have been equivilant to 1" British or American armor.

[@richardm3023]

No mention of how Nevada used a full 14 inch broadside in response to a single German sniper during the Normandy landings???

[@jnelchef]

Having a standardized battle fleet is convenient in peace time but demands a standardized enemy for war time. You're relegating your newest ships to no more capability than the oldest ships in the battle line. It's wonderful to know that every ship in your battle line can do 21 knots and fire 14 inch shells but that suddenly doesn't look so good if the enemy can do 25 knots and fire 15-16 inch shells.

[@bkjeong4302]

The enemy is also limited to the speed of their slowest ship, unless they don't care about their formation disintegrating.

[@jnelchef]

@@bkjeong4302 True but they may be open to advancing technologies that allow them to increase their battlefleet speed and armament as they build newer ships. The Grand Fleet didn't decide to restrict the speed of the Queen Elizabeth class in order to maintain an arbitrary fleet standard. The Japanese had faster battleships. Both fleets also had battlecruisers which the USN didn't build. A fast battleship squadron had it's uses.

[@jnelchef]

@chris younts War Plan Orange called for the US Pacific Fleet to sail across the Pacific to relieve Guam and the Philippines, then sail north towards Japan, fight a decisive battle with Japanese Fleet and then blockade Japan. That's hardly a coastal defense force.

[@jnelchef]

@Jurassic Aviator The fleet submarine speed was determined by the battle fleet speed, not vice versa.

[@jnelchef]

@Jurassic Aviator Indeed, they were excellent and ended up being perfect for the solo missions they ended up with rather than the fleet role they were intended for.

[@jonmuisbainson7846]

they found her!

[@trooperdgb9722]

The US Navy version of the Warspite (kinda.... )

[@dnillik]

According to an article I read in a book on Pearl Harbor by the Nevada’s engineering and gunnery officer when she was rebuilt aft the attack there was a shortage of copper. They build her buss bars out of silver from Fort Knox and painted them black. Only a few officers knew this and apparently she sank with them still in place.

[@gunther_hermann]

That story sounds awfully apocryphal. Especially considering as Nevada is "The Silver State".

[@dnillik]

I tend to agree.

[@melwinge9154]

@@dnillik Makes a good story, though.

[@jamesl6365]

As far as I'm aware there is some truth to the treasury loaning out silver for wire, but not for any navy ships, and not from Fort Knox. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#Electromagnetic_separation By ratios on Wikipedia, they lost less than 4kg of silver, on 13,000+ tons of it being used.

[@transmaster]

I have always thought the US Navy’s lattice, or Bird cage fire control masts were good looking. The is not to say the were very sea worthy, and as naval artillery ranges increased the were not rigid enough for the range finders at the to of the masts.

[@shaun1293]

Oh my god those mesh tower things are horrible!

[@obj.071]

breaking news: local ship too fking old to die.

[@Thirdbase9]

When do you sleep?

[@willi-fg2dh]

why is it that some ships just seem to be able to swim while others seem to be trying to be submarines?

[@Aelvir114]

Turns out her wreck was just recently discovered.

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

I think she and Warspite would have been very good friends, their mechanical soul was strong,

[@treeshakertucker5840]

Oddly enough I know this going sound bad and I don't blame the captain for doing what he did. But honestly barring any quirks of fate it might have been safer overall if the Nevada stayed in battleship Row. The Nevada got lucky in managing to beach herself instead of sinking in the channel blocking it or even just sinking in deeper water where she would be unrecoverable. I commend Ensign Joe Taussig's attempt to at least give the Japanese a moving target but the Nevada would have been perfectly recoverable sunk at her moorings barring any lucky hit either turning her over or blowing her magazines.

[@TwistedSisterHaratiofales]

I agree with you, except the training of sailors was that Oh Shit, we are at war, realized in like 5 min of shock. They thought that there was a German battleship outside of the harbor that was shelling the harbor, and or Japanese ships out there along with the airstrike. So not only were they trying to be a moving target to be harder to hit, they were trying to get out of port to engage what they thought could possibly be out there shooting at them. It is real easy after one knows what is going on to asses the situation and make a different decision, but they were trying to move, shoot and communicate into combat mode. Also by them moving it diverted Japanese torpedo planes to them becoming a prime target away from their intended targets, so its really a guess like you mentioned that they might have been better off staying put. But by them not doing so, they may have takin hits that could have possibly caused more damage to other ships. LOL the Utah was sunk and some of the Japanese pilots thought that it was some sort of aircraft carrier because of having concrete on its decks as a aircraft booming target ship. That might have saved other ships as that ship tactically was as valuable as an out house. Luckily the carriers were out of harbor, and the Japanese didn't do a third, fourth, or more waves as was originally planned and hit the fuel reserves, and or more strikes on what ships were setting there.

[@bkjeong4302]

@@TwistedSisterHaratiofales There was no third wave planned, and the Japanese lacked the logistical capacity for one anyways.

[@melwinge9154]

@@bkjeong4302 Beg to differ. A third wave had been planned, but Admiral Nagumo hadn't wanted the job of hitting Pearl Harbor to begin with and so he did a rabbit. THAT saved the fuel reserves, repair facilities, and who knows how many lives.

[@melwinge9154]

Hindsight is great and, usually, 20/20. Nevada did what she was supposed to do, get moving and fight. It is worth noting that she was the only major ship to get underway, although some DDs got moving.

[@bkjeong4302]

@@melwinge9154 source?

[@denniswobbe3157]

I can just hear the Nevada saying "I have sunk once already in my career and I didn't much enjoy becoming a sub. I'll be damned if I go to the ocean floor again!!" Sadly she didnt get a say in the matter

[@JYF921]

Repeating my suggestion for a review of light cruiser HMS Aurora/ROCN Chongqing.

[@jamesmccrea4871]

Just saw an article where they found her at 15000ft.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

3:00 the gun layout I think indicates this isn't a Navada, unless I'm mistaken.

[@timothycook2917]

Good eagle-eye. I think that is the Arizona (Is that a '39' by the anchor?)

[@madrabbit9007]

Thanks for the updates. I hated the robot voice.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

Would it take long for the captain to induce a heel in order to artificially inflate the elevation characteristics of the guns?

[@kennethwilson8633]

Boom

[@GaryED44]

At 2:58 thats not a ship of the Nevada class.

[@MrTurboTurkey]

4:20, was that atomic testing damage or something else????

[@ryangannon9171]

Pearl Harbor damage, still has its earlier 5" guns, not the later dual turrets

[@kilianhufgard1035]

we not going to talk about the fact they were the first battleships that were oil fired !!!!!!!!

[@Dreska_]

Volume levelling. Please.

[@stanmckhanic2554]

Heh, +1, always gotta madly smash mute or drop the volume for the outro, would be nice if the levels were more consistent.