Drag Race: Banshee VS ATC 250R

It's the 1986 ATC 250R vs the 2005 Banshee in an epic vintage 2 stroke ATV showdown! It's 3 wheeler vs 4 wheeler! Watch as these vintage ATVs go head-to-head against each other in a classic drag race! We pit these classic 2 stroke performance ATVs against each other in this 6-race video! If you love old school ATVs the video is a MUST WATCH! It's father vs son in this epic 2 stroke performance vintage ATV battle!
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[@jonsadevntures433]

Father son bonding time, on cool machines. Your winning.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks jon appreciate hearing that

[@garyyanul8501]

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[@TheMapleDude1]

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[@robjohnson6747]

Excellent video ! I had a 2000 banshee and my son had LT80 then Blaster , then Z400 then YFZ450 , we had so much fun riding together . I lost him in 2020 and this video sure brings back such priceless memories! If you haven’t told your son or dad today “ I love you “ I HIGHLY ENCORAGE YOU TO !!!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Will do rob. Thanks for watching!

[@onewheelup]

for all the wins or losses and all the money gold and glory in the world i would pick the 86 250R ANYDAY OF THE WEEK.

[@TheMapleDude1]

I don't disagree. It's the overall most legendary.

[@davidjessee7701]

I’m 56 I had the first Honda 250R three wheeler in my town in ky. Back in 85 … it was the fastest thing in the woods and the lake flats until my best friend bought a banshee a few years later it was a beast! It always beat me in a drag race!

[@TheMapleDude1]

You remember it how it is in real life. I love the R but some guys ain't willing to admit what you just said.

[@looneylonzo28]

listening to all the high, strung two strokes is like music to my ears when the power bands come on and the reeds start movin wow.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Love it!

[@mikemartin6857]

I really wish my dad was still alive so we could go for one last ride on the Harleys. 😞 There was no better feeling cruising down the road on the bike and looking over and seeing my dad right there beside me in his black leather jacket. Young man you tell your pops how much you love him every chance you get because the day will come that you won't be able to. Awesome watching yall hangout 2gether 💯

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks Mike I hear you time goes so fast. We don't even realize it.

[@elcidcampeador42]

For sure I felt that I was a long haul truck driver for 20 years and you get to think and see a lot on the road literally driving my life away. I realized a lot of things I may have had nice house thank God it provided for my kids they never lacked anything every 2 to 3 years I'd get ex-wife a new Eddie Bauer or Navigator my point is I missed everything I never enjoyed much the fruit of my labor but more importantly my family the true blessings in life pardon me for all that I finish by saying I lost my mom and I cherished tried to makeup for all those years still I'm grateful for the last 4 years almost everyday I saw them and enjoyed time together I still have my father thank God but he's up there very fragile I want to be with him helping him just anything hangout. Also many years ago I made a choice to let everyone know I love them that they really hear and feel my love for them because this life is way too short and sensitive your treasures are those people who you love and love you nothing is more valuable. Thank you again & Blessings to All of Y'all and Fam.

[@TheMapleDude1]

@@elcidcampeador42 thanks for the words of wisdom

[@V6MERC]

I've been watching y'alls videos for a few weeks now and I dont know what I love more... You having the best time with your son, or the vintage 2 stroke machines!!! Anyway, keep up the great work!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Really appreciate you guys enjoying these videos! We have fun making them!

[@ericfitzkee7431]

Love all your vintage 3 and 4 wheeler vids. Keep up the great work.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Appreciate it!

[@Mikesalas1989]

Love this as far as dad and son doing stuff together that’s how it should be

[@TheMapleDude1]

Appreciate you watching!

[@derrickfossett7298]

That’s real sweet thanks guys for taking the time and have a little bit of fun. I’m glad to see at least you guys came through safely and that nothing bad happened you never know right but hell that was fast by the way I’m picking up my 19 85 Atchonda 200x , fully reconditioned and 100% rebuilt tomorrow watching you guys have so much fun I can’t wait the last time I had one I was your son’s age and then December I turn 55 never too old to have a blast. Be safe guys. Keep on making great videos can’t wait to see the next one.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Awesome that's exciting that you're getting a mint 200x! Thank you for watching!!!

[@markrider3648]

The kids better and he wasn't looking forward, always watching dad which is lovely

[@TheMapleDude1]

I take no offense.

[@creek_made]

Nice vid, duders! I still say the R is KING.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Overall yes it's still the most legendary.

[@jasonjaeger4042]

I like that you let ur kid ride trikes. I have a son around the same age and taught him how to ride such "horrifically dangerous" 🙄 machines the right way and he never got hurt on one. In my opinion a three wheeler is only dangerous to inexperienced riders. Never had a problem on them myself in 40yrs and rode and raced them. Prefer my YZ250's but like having a three wheeler for fun.

[@TheMapleDude1]

I hear you, 3 wheelers are definitely the most difficult to ride in my opinion but it can be done just need to gain experience.

[@jdubb0113]

Man this brings back memories, i had a big red 3 wheeler when i was about 15 and man i rode that thing from sun up to sun down, My mom just let me have at it and I taught myself how to ride it. Thankfully I never tried anything stupid while riding and never got hurt or wrecked it😊

[@jasonjaeger4042]

@jdubb0113 I hear ya man, luckily never got hurt and did a fair share of stupid shit on them lol. I'm from the U.P. of Michigan so most people my age grew up around 3 wheelers and ya just figured out how to ride em. No overprotective parents thinking they were death machines and can't remember any friends actually getting hurt on one. Have more broken bones than I can count from MX bikes, none from three-wheelers.

[@jdubb0113]

@@jasonjaeger4042 That's Awesome! 😁

[@cortsucher8203]

Man the trikes where great I had more fun on my 250r that the 500 quad

[@matthewblank214]

Just a thought, my brother and me use to race our 200x’s around a snow track we had, we threw up a bean bag, when it hit the ground the clutch levers would fly

[@TheMapleDude1]

Not a bad idea.

[@MrBIGNAWD]

LOVE THEM!!! WISH I STILL HAD THEM... WILL FIND SOME AGAIN...

[@TheMapleDude1]

We have been looking for years. They are still out there.

[@tedsgibson]

Haven’t even watched yet and so many memories are coming back. I had an 87 250R. It was a love hate relationship.

[@TheMapleDude1]

I hear you it's the same for me with this machine.

[@bobbyscalchi4013]

87 trike or fourtrax. The 87 trikes were only distributed in Canada it came with white fender flares and is extremely super rare if not mythical.

[@djantix1200]

Rider weight def plays a major factor. I used to take out 125's on my '85 CR80 no problem because I was a smaller rider. lol Great races!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Yes it is. Thanks for watching!

[@andygreever8684]

The 250R needs new tires!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Yeah

[@catrider4863]

Would be very interesting if the 250r had same tires

[@JohnJ77777]

I like the father and son dynamic, My dad and I rode for years on 3 wheelers, bikes, then I bought us 2 warriors. We both worked night shift rode together for years every weekend

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks man I hear you I really look forward to this. And it takes me back to my childhood really.

[@travismaxwell9805]

I raced atv motocross back in the 80’s. This scrawny guy always got the hole shot on a banshee with pipes, then his chain would fall off. I usually got second on a Paul Turner Quad Racer. That thing would sing. The Honda’s were the slowest at the start, then they would take off and leave us. The banshee had displacement, the Quad Racer had a power valve and the Honda had everything else.

[@TheMapleDude1]

In your opinion how much would putting an aftermarket pipe and silencer on a 250 quadracer help it out? We have a 100% stock 88 quadracer.

[@Thebankfisher]

That 3 wheeler is nasty!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Sure is

[@rmx01indiana]

Those old 250R's were insane. The 4 wheelers were used in woods racing for over a decade after they quit making them. The 3 wheeler version had to have been one of the most dangerous ATV's ever made. Great stuff

[@TheMapleDude1]

Live lyfe on 3 wheels! Epic machines!

[@donavonmacallister3101]

You just had to know had to ride them. Can't turn at high speeds without leaning into it.

[@fnfailure]

Kawasaki Tecate would smoke a Honda 250R

[@larryerving4141]

Banshee may be faster but the 250R is hard to beat for overall fun. Great video.

[@TheMapleDude1]

250r is the icon!

[@franklinreaves9508]

Had both of these back in day... Lots of fun... Cool video...

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks for watching!

[@jerrythechainsawguy8100]

Just saw the quadzilla race. You mean to tell me you guys have a banshee, quadzilla, and a 250R!? My 3 favorite machines. You got a subscriber, brother!!!

[@jerrythechainsawguy8100]

Also- I have a 1986 250SX 4 stroke. I can not keep the front wheel down in a race. How you two kept the wheel down and put the power to the ground is beyond me. Very impressive

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks for watching! Yeah we have those and a few more. Check out the collection video.

[@Cobra37061]

I just did a little math and the 250R has a slightly better power-to-weight ratio than the Banshee. I would expect the R to win on paper. Of course gear ratio and tire size make a difference. Adding rider weight also throws off the ratio math. This formula works better with cars. Just divide weight by horsepower. Anyway, here are the numbers: 1986 Honda ATC250R 38 horsepower 289 pounds 7.60 pounds per horsepower 2005 Yamaha Banshee 350 48 horsepower 386 pounds 8.04 pounds per horsepower

[@TheMapleDude1]

In this case I think the rider weight is the biggest factor.

[@Cobra37061]

@@TheMapleDude1 Agreed. Adding a 160 to 190 pound rider makes a big difference on these small machines. For what it is worth, the ATC even has a slight power-to-weight ratio advantage over Quadzilla. That is why I thought the R had a chance to win your tournament. 1988 Suzuki LT500R Quadracer 51 horsepower 392 pounds 7.68 pounds per horsepower

[@Cobra37061]

@@TheMapleDude1 You were correct about rider weight. Even though the 250R does have a better power-to-weight (P2W) ratio than the Banshee and Quadzilla without riders, once you add the rider weight, the R comes in last place. I added you and Jack’s weights to the P2W ratio below. It looks like the closest race between these 3 should be you on Quadzilla vs. Jack on the Banshee. JACK: 1988 Suzuki LT500R Quadracer 51 horsepower 392 pounds + 155 = 547 10.72 pounds per horsepower 2005 Yamaha Banshee 350 48 horsepower 386 pounds + 155 = 541 11.27 pounds per horsepower 1986 Honda ATC250R 38 horsepower 289 pounds + 155 = 444 11.68 pounds per horsepower The Maple Dude: 1988 Suzuki LT500R Quadracer 51 horsepower 392 pounds + 185 = 577 11.31 pounds per horsepower 2005 Yamaha Banshee 350 48 horsepower 386 pounds + 185 = 571 11.89 pounds per horsepower 1986 Honda ATC250R 38 horsepower 289 pounds + 185 = 474 12.47 pounds per horsepower

[@TheMapleDude1]

@@Cobra37061 that's good info to take into consideration. Thanks for taking the time to do it.

[@Cobra37061]

@@TheMapleDude1 No problem, I was curious myself. I'd much rather be racing your machines than playing on a calculator. Lol. Looking at those numbers again, Jack on the R should be able to beat you on the Banshee just barely. So maybe the R's tires are another factor.

[@congerthomas1812]

I think the 250r would have been REAL close with better tires. I had one stock,then built it,ran 119 fuel also. Was a window maker.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Yes it needs better tires. I agree.

[@local631]

I had To go to our local small plane airport to get that stuff back in the mid 80's.. if I remember correctly it was 1 full 12 oz. container of Golden Spectro to 4 gallons of fuel...

[@local631]

Story of David and Goliath

[@JAM4IT2]

350x w/ big bore ❤ at 16 was AMAZING lol

[@TheMapleDude1]

I bet!

[@douglasjrboley5657]

Those look like the original Ohtsu's on the back of the R also. That is an Awesome trike! I had an 84. I would LOVE to drive an 86. Keep making great content!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Another guy thought that. But they are NOT the original tires.

[@joebarrett5310]

The Banshee is undeniably fast. But what I really take from this vid is just how good the old 250r is to hang in there that well against a twin cylinder engine with 100cc more displacement. Couple times I hear the R, it sounded like you may have shifted into the 5th and 6th a little early. I think if you let it eat a little more the ol' R would have narrowed the gap a bit. Not trying to be hyper critical, just a casual observation by a guy who owns a pair of 3rd gen Rs and been riding them since the early 1990s. Yeah, we can get into how to better get the power to the ground with better tires, suspension setup, etc, but this was a very cool video to watch as are your other installments. Very much enjoyed 🙂 Carry on fellers and keep those legends alive!! 🤘🏻

[@TheMapleDude1]

Great comments. Yes that R was a little weak going into 6th gear. It's different than my Tri Z and T3 in that regard. So we have yo keep the RPMS higher there. Funny thing about all these videos is we get people telling us we shift too early and others say too late... all within the same video. Oh well, we're having fun.

[@joebarrett5310]

Having fun is all that really matters my friend 🍻

[@Rizik1986]

The banshee is easier to ride and get the power down. The other kept lifting front end, it had more power but couldnt use it. Father son videos are priceless. 👍🍀🇺🇸

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thank you sir.

[@ericmcelroy6970]

Love 2 strokes. Growin up MotoCross and woods ridin in the 80s there is nothing like the sound and feel of a 2 stroke. That Honda is an amazing time machine. Tires and 30lb weight difference huge factors on machines like that.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Yeah I totally agree with you. Thanks for the comments

[@Cobra37061]

As a 3-wheeler guy that grew up in the '80s, I am a little disappointed that the ATC could not get the win, but these are both awesome machines. Maybe your Tri-Z or Tecate-3 will have better luck. Thanks for the great videos!

[@TheMapleDude1]

We will try! Thanks for watching.

[@lukecombs5242]

It’s the tire’s fault put some good meats on the atc and it will put the power down.

[@TheMapleDude1]

@@lukecombs5242 I hear you.

[@rcasper4700]

Honda all the way it has less Ccs than the Yamaha and 1 less cylinder

[@Gilmore304]

Huh? How in the….. do you manage to have all the old greats in ATC R BANSHEE , TECATE, and a TRI Z

[@jeremyhanson2730]

Very cool, Hello from Janesville Wi!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Hi thanks for checking in!

[@codyjohnson5674]

Kids shifts faster and clutches the hit better. Neither need new clutches lol. This was awesome. First video I seen. I sub!!!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks man... I'm getting old... tryin to get better.

[@69jbr69]

Good stuff. Used to race these two all the time on blacktop back in the day with friends. It was always the same. 250r would launch off the line until about 4th and by than the banshee was waking up and would catch up and start to walk away. Gotta do it on blacktop, 250r front end wasn't even coming up. Missing out on bulk of power.

[@TheMapleDude1]

We can trying, but the 250R does need new tires too.

[@bothellg]

Loved my 85 250 R.... Driving sideways...thanks for sharing

[@TheMapleDude1]

You got it!

[@renefontanez1531]

The sound off that 250R It's so unique

[@TheMapleDude1]

Yeah it's a great sound!

[@mikeslife5941]

Born in 1985 huge fan of two strokes of all kinds but the 80s made some of the best shit ever made and 90s etc but damn I love the banshee but I’m Honda for life have a fleet myself have a blessed day.

[@TheMapleDude1]

I love 2 strokes too!

[@funnrun3399]

I love the fact you 2 are spending quality time with your son i would like to Own a 88 honda 250r racing fourwheeler its a slick looking and fast machine

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks man.. I appreciate it. I did recently get an 86 trx 250r. The 88 looks better in my opinion though.

[@andrewinsinga2993]

Nothing better than the sound of a 2 stroke

[@TheMapleDude1]

I agree.

[@brianallen3619]

The ATC 250R was freaking nasty to ride. Wish I still had it.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Yeah it's bad!

[@dankjankings7339]

I know I had the poster in my garage above where it was…..it said beginners need not apply

[@nickmorgan8434]

I had either an 85 or 86 250r first year they were liquid cooled .It had extended axels that thing was insane

[@TheMapleDude1]

The best 250Rs!

[@ni_wink84]

Oh man that 250r 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍 I’ve owned a banshee, 2006, loved it but have always wanted an 85/86 ATC250R I had an 82, not even in the same league!!

[@TheMapleDude1]

You're right... the 3rd generation was by far the best. Liquid cooled.

[@ni_wink84]

@@TheMapleDude1 those 250r were nothing to play with and the fact that still today are comparable to a banshee… that’s gotta say a lot

[@TheMapleDude1]

@@ni_wink84 I agree.

[@dennispulliam1281]

Awesome content guys

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks brother

[@conradchapple4686]

dude your still a mad man on those wheelers!!! have fun and stay safe.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Will do!

[@nateg4236]

Awesome stuff! Miss my old 02 shee. I always took off in 2nd onna launch. Smoked everything. Lol

[@TheMapleDude1]

We need to do that.

[@joeyholthusen6495]

Always fun.... my daughter I had her little yamaha blaster built. Full port n polish, 34mm intake, and 34mm mikuni carb. 10.3:1 compression piston. Even worked transfer ports. Plus head work, taller sprocket up front and smaller out back. Plus changed tire size up front to 23x7 and out back 22 inches tall. Now it will smoke a Polaris scrambler 400 2-stroke 4x4 in a drag race for two high line pole lengths. It now tops out at just over 70mph stock was 55mph or so

[@TheMapleDude1]

Now that sounds like a hot little blaster!

[@joeyholthusen6495]

@@TheMapleDude1 it's running on the edge of non oxygenated 91 octane, use amsoil 2-stroke oil in the oil injection. Her boyfriend Bailey has a sportsman 1,000 both of them claim when they drag in the small town, both are dead even for a city block before the big polaris slowly pulls away on top. My daughter was disappointed, I just laughed and tried to explain to her that's 800cc different, and with riders weight plus machine probably 600 pounds lighter for the blaster with her clutching through the gears. I keep bothering her to video the drags.....

[@scottyellis3442]

Good race, I think Jack is faster LOL. Keep putting out these killer videos with these killer machines & don't worry about the negative comments, there's always gonna be trolls out there. Father and son bonding, you can't beat it.

[@TheMapleDude1]

We will... stay tuned. Right now it hard to do races cause it's winter here.

[@scottyellis3442]

@@TheMapleDude1 I'm subscribed and notifications are on so I'm ready.

[@elibnem4126]

I still have an 85 ATC 250R, back when I first got it I did some minor engine work,threw a paul turner on it,wider axle w/ fresh rears, smaller front rim and tire. It was the fastest thing around for years. People would show up looking for me at the pit to line em up. Banshee after banshee would lose and boy would those guys need an excuse every time. Finally got beat by a fully raced out TRX 330R, followed by a nasty built banshee a few weekends after.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Awesome memories man. I think I have the R running better now and we'll do it again.

[@elibnem4126]

@TheMapleDude1 Throw a Boyesen Rad valve on that puppy, those stock intakes are so restrictive. Definitely need fresh rear tires to make it more fair too. Can't wait to see ya re-run it

[@TheMapleDude1]

@@elibnem4126 we do have new tires

[@ug9191]

I had this exact race in 1987, friend's brand new Banshee vs my '85 250R (bald tires). Both machines totally stock in including pipes. I smoked him, he had no chance and almost cried lol. Your 250R may need some tuning.

[@TheMapleDude1]

I feel it's running pretty good. Fresh rebuild with really good compression. But I'm always looking to make it better.

[@lukecombs5242]

@@TheMapleDude1 what brand of piston are you running in the 250r? There’s no replacement for wiseco forged pistons imo been running them for 25 plus years without a problem so far.

[@TheMapleDude1]

@lukecombs5242 yes wisceco.

[@ug9191]

Have you done any jetting?

[@TheMapleDude1]

@ug9191 Yes, played with it a lot.

[@mikefutrell4224]

I had a 250R when I was a kid and it was some of the best memories looking back even my childhood buddies still talk about it. But when the Banshees came out even though I had the R I still wanted a Banshee. 25 years later I pick up a 2003 off a co-worker and haven’t been disappointed. Something about that two stroke does something to ya!!!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Yep I love it. The sound the smell. Although the first 3 wheeler I had was a Suzuki alt125!!

[@mikefutrell4224]

Honda 125M ✌🏻

[@jamesmcdermott6934]

You guys are gittin better!!!lol! All that matters is that it's the best quality time together!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks for watching more to come.

[@299charles]

I had a 85 ATV Honda 250 R Loved it……3 wheeler…

[@TheMapleDude1]

The best!

[@yfz350twin]

There is always going to be haters no matter what. Just keep the videos rolling I enjoy the races between legendary bikes.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks man.

[@RoboDriller]

For races out in the field we always throw something in the air and when it hits the ground is green light

[@TheMapleDude1]

I've heard of that too.

[@RoboDriller]

​@@TheMapleDude1works great in winter. Snowball hits the ground, it's go time

[@emexduzentos]

Banshee was rated stock 47 crank hp and ATC was 38hp but one could fit the CR250 top end to it and bring power up to 48.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Nice! I like that.

[@kylelangworthy9641]

In car racing, we always say you can't beat cubic inches well in off-road, you can't beat CC's. So awesome to see you and your son doing these things Together God is good all the time.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks man... yes we are so fortunate.

[@joshgessinger4509]

Fun video fan of both machines Must be weight difference between riders crazy the difference.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Rider weight is a big deal.

[@Smashin2Guitarz]

Good match. ! Try running the exact same rear tires. ✌🏽👍🏽

[@TheMapleDude1]

I see what you mean.

[@NateMcCabe2764]

Just an awesome father and son bonding time ! God bless Merica

[@TheMapleDude1]

Appreciate it!

[@dankjankings7339]

Both of these are sweet rides.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks man.

[@crsracing1313]

Both of those machines are legendary

[@TheMapleDude1]

Yes sir!

[@renefontanez1531]

86 Honda 250R back in the day's was the father Of all machine

[@TheMapleDude1]

It's the most iconic for sure.

[@elcidcampeador42]

Love that 2 stroke sound I like both but I've always wanted a Honda 250R was very surprised it only won once but I assumed banshee was a 250 not a 350 so of course it figures now👍much thanks for the video and bringing back those cool memories now I gotta go find one either or maybe even a Kawasaki tecate, remember those especially with the flat tracks?!🔥💨👍

[@TheMapleDude1]

I have a tecate. Check out some other videos.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Always wanted one of those for snow days back east.

[@TheMapleDude1]

So you like 3 wheelers in the snow??

[@iantouzel638]

Imagine doing that with your son, hahaha, you freaking rock ! Two strokes rules

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks man! Yes they do!

[@ChiefRickyRC]

You can use a 350 Wolverine gear shifter also as a clutch lever and dump it on 28" mud tires to pretty much launch on anything with a 150lb rider, until lack of cc's lol

[@TheMapleDude1]

Ok

[@thaburninator0904]

Man the 250r sound so much better. Guess maybe I feel that way because I have an 86 250r...

[@TheMapleDude1]

Youre a lucky man.

[@hendo338]

Ive owned both of those machines. The banshee I had wasn't much on low end but the r was a beast. 3rd gear is where the banshee really woke up.

[@TheMapleDude1]

That's exactly right!

[@LEADFOOTCARNIVORE]

Dad got his butt whooped by his son’s driving 💀🤪🤪🤣🤣🤟🤟

[@TheMapleDude1]

Yes

[@dustinstallings8300]

Banshees are just sweet especially in snow with new tires

[@TheMapleDude1]

Nice!

[@brianszulwach5165]

Respect to your intent and appreciate the content. My 1985 Kawasaki Tecate was always white knuckle fun!!!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks for watching.. Is like to get an 85! They look so weird.

[@PGG909]

"that dude sucks". lmao! Youre right though, Jack.... dad needs to learn how to ride :P

[@TheMapleDude1]

Ouch

[@brandonshealy5379]

Being beat by my son would bring a tear to my eye a lil bit.

[@TheMapleDude1]

It did.

[@user-su1wl3lq2s]

But love the father son having fun

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks

[@killacoiler1707]

I had a 250R quad back in the day and all my buddies were running banshees, in a straight line the banshee had the advantage but when it came to getting in and out of corners and the jumps my 250 ate them up. I saved up some money and had my uncle work some magic with my engine in his machine shop and developed a 270 custom big bore setup that evened the score. A stock banshee had no chance after he got done with his wizardry. Those mid 80s early 90s Honda 250 engines were pretty stout to begin with but became monsters when you started messing with bore, stroke, port timing, reeds, carberators, and freer flowing exhausts. It would be interesting to see what kind of power these two strokes would have made if innovation had continued and they hadn't been replaced by the four stroke bikes entirely. A four stroke does not have the same level of invigoration when it is in its power band. I liken the sound of dozens of 2T engines in the power band to a symphony orchestra four strokes are more like a bass drop CD lol! Great video be safe you two and have fun.

[@TheMapleDude1]

I agree with you my friend there's something about hitting that powerband on a 2 stroke! These old atvs are kind of like the old muscle cars... lots of stories and legends behind it.

[@killacoiler1707]

@@TheMapleDude1 for sure. The king of the quads was the Quadzilla Suzuki 500 two stroke. Then right behind that was the Polaris 500 Scrambler. When it came to the four stroke quads the Raptor 700 and DS 650 were the two fastest Sport ATV when I was still into sport quads. I have often considered getting a Honda 250R quad frame and modifying it for a CR 500 engine. It could be a bit sketchy given the power but it would be one heck of a ride. Be kinda like putting a Big Block in a Chevette Scooter Lol!

[@TheMapleDude1]

@killacoiler1707 about like that!

[@thesavage134]

You should do the 2 stroke 350 three wheeler vs banshee 😮

[@TheMapleDude1]

350x vs banshee?? We can do that!

[@cruzgonzalez7024]

Tell them dont hate...appreciate!!!! Take care

[@TheMapleDude1]

You got it. Thanks!

[@frankmcbride6158]

The 250 R maybe needs better gearing by changing the front or back sprocket to make it faster because looking like it should be much quicker

[@TheMapleDude1]

It's possible to try it. I've done it with my 200x.

[@husaberg12]

Great comparison video🙌🎉🤗

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks funk bros!

[@lucascady4992]

The Haters ride the couch and computer chairs, You guy's ride Ledgens! 80's-90's 2 Stroke's!! 😮

[@TheMapleDude1]

Word!!

[@Joso46an2]

Awsome showdown fellas. 👍

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thank you sir.

[@alexquevedo831]

I had them both. A 1986 250R Duncan Racing Motor and 2001 Banshee Vito Racing Motor 34mm Carbs, 60 Over Pistons Ceramic Coated, Carbon Reeds, Pro Design Heads 17Cc Domes, Toomey Radiator, Water pump,Timing Advancer, Works Triple Shocks Front and Rear. I would Not compare these bikes totally different bikes. 😊

[@TheMapleDude1]

They are indeed It was just for fun comparing

[@brucepetersen4897]

I had a 1985 250r . It was radared on a lake at 89 mph.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Dang! Couldn't have been stock??

[@brucepetersen4897]

@@TheMapleDude1 LOL. Nope. I bought it all raced up. Pipe, twist throttle, renthal bar, probably had different sprockets. The ice tires were small. The regular tires were taller. It was scary fast on dirt roads. I miss it.

[@markemery7741]

Just sold my 85 trike on ebay. It eats banshees. It eats fast banshees. A longer swingarm will keep the front wheel down some. Fun to watch this,

[@TheMapleDude1]

What's the motor in it? Thanks.

[@markemery7741]

@@TheMapleDude1 Just the ported 250r with CR head gasket. 36mm carb, match ported V Force reed with Duncan Racing hi rev pipe. The pipe made a huge difference over the FMF I had. It kept up with my bosses 09 YFZ 450R easily. These are screaming bikes with very little work.Let us not forget 110 octane fuel

[@gamesterx2636]

Clutching shifts on a bike/trike/quad, in 45 years I never thought of that

[@TheMapleDude1]

Now ya know

[@motoyamasnigglepuff8654]

Love the harvestore right there, big Blue! What you got in a high moisture corn or alfalfa? Built many of those in Pa!

[@TheMapleDude1]

HMC... those were a big deal back in the 80s.

[@motoyamasnigglepuff8654]

@@TheMapleDude1 they still work just fine today lol

[@murk1352]

I had them both, I bought a 01banshee new & I restored an 85 ATC 250R. My ATC 250R is the better machine! My old made bought an 86 250R fourtrax new in 86….✌🏻🏁

[@TheMapleDude1]

Great times, great machines

[@murk1352]

@@TheMapleDude1 Without a doubt! My dad bought his 250R fourtrax new & he bought me a new 86 125. I was 9, by the time i was ten when they all stopped for smoke breaks, id take the 250R & there was no comparison to my 125. So I worked my 11th summer all summer & I sold my 125 & bought a 250 Suzuki Quadracer. We rode every Sunday for years. Nothing like being out riding with friends, challenging each other up big hills & big sand pits! ✌🏻🏁

[@nunyabisness4300]

Nice rides. 30lb’s makes a big difference with 50ish hp machines.

[@TheMapleDude1]

It definitely does.

[@billmadison2032]

Glad to see the kid knows how to power shift those things like you're supposed to

[@TheMapleDude1]

He's better than me.

[@billmadison2032]

@TheMapleDude1 it's apparent you taught him well. I'm 2 stroke for life

[@TheMapleDude1]

@billmadison2032 thanks man

[@billmadison2032]

@@TheMapleDude1 it's all good just got to pass it on I'm sure he's going to teach his kids too

[@ssnthe10s]

What is the gearing on the 250r? Didn't sound like it was reving out at all.

[@TheMapleDude1]

It's all stock gearing, stock tire size.

[@kingtitan2051]

Both machines are just sweet!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Thanks man!

[@matthewblank214]

Pretty impressive 250r, the R is lighter and with some good mx razors and some head and shoulders over the bars on launch, that 250R may pull it out everytime

[@TheMapleDude1]

We'll give that a shot.

[@davidjessee7701]

Nope

No more head and shoulders was necessary at all up front based on these videos. There was no excessive (any at all really) front wheel lift so when giving advice out, it should be warranted if you must. In this case, the weight distribution comment was comical.

[@realstakes101]

You need some heel guard on that three wheeler. Better you get them before someone gets hurt

[@TheMapleDude1]

Do you know a source?

[@juarrdforbes4393]

250r is sick, but the banshee is top dog

[@TheMapleDude1]

Rightly so.

[@GixxerKris]

You can tell the first race the banshee ran pretty strong, but as the races went on you were getting more and more clutch slip. Usually it’s not the actual clutch plates that cause that. The stock clutch springs are pretty weak in those machines and after a while when they get hot (like back to back races) they lose their spring rate and cause clutch slip especially in 3-6th gear. Get a set of heavy duty springs, they are cheap and only takes 20-30 min to replace them. It will be a whole different machine. I have had 5 banshees since 1998 when I got my first new one and that is always the first thing I do is at rid of the weak stock clutch springs. A lot of times people will think it’s the clutch plates and change them but leave the stock springs and after a few rides they will be back to slipping again.

[@TheMapleDude1]

Man I'm telling you the truth here... it has a brand new clutch and heavier springs... probably 1 hour on them at the most.

[@mikealchin525]

There is no way a Honda would beat my banshee

[@TheMapleDude1]

Ok

[@RoboDriller]

I'm blown away the atc didn't kill the banshee. It's my utter dislike for banshees though. Growing up it was ALWAYS banshee banshee banshee, raptor 700 blaw blaw. I rolled into a race one time with my 250r which was built in 2006 based off the 88 gears/cases and got asked if it was a banshee.. Just pissed me off. I've gobbled up a few banshees with that bike drag racing. Never seen a banshee race mx though

[@TheMapleDude1]

Banshee is fast but obviously this isn't a official test... but it is kind of a real world, 2 average riders test to see what happens. But I hear you.

[@willowens9991]

Junior banging gears!

[@TheMapleDude1]

Yeah!