Dragon Age™: Inquisition - Cole tries to help Vivienne, and Solas warns him

[@jbabylucus1641]

“Unless you attack first.” My boy is ready for the hands.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

He could try, Vivianne would take that demon down in one single swoop.

[@nerdlydelicious1876]

@@SeventhheavenDKlmao, nah. She’d get folded like a lawn chair.

[@Just_someguy_without_Moustache]

​@@SeventhheavenDKshe would be demolished before you can even comment

[@SeventhheavenDK]

@@Just_someguy_without_Moustache . 😂. Both; lorewise and gameplaywise the annoying demon cannot do anything against Viv, she is superior to him in any way, and especially, she is prepared to deal with his kind, and Knight Enchanter = autowin.

[@jasonhendricks4562]

If you follow along with Solas' numerous explanations, we actually learn that spirits often turn into demons due to people projecting their fears and hatred onto the spirits. So what can happen is if you think the spirt is a demon, they may very well become one. Self fulfilling prophecy

[@SparkOfElune]

Yes, that can happen if they don't have individuality Just like what happened when they were pulled through the rifts

[@owkttwilane5928]

@@SparkOfElune what about demons like fear ? Even Solas said that the demon of fear is the most ancient of all spirits.

[@jbabylucus1641]

⁠@@owkttwilane5928. All the demons started out as spirits even the eldest ones. Now how they were warped into such entities means they would’ve had to have come into contact with something or someone’s that were capable of feeling fear or other emotions

[@omarabdelaty634]

I think that's a foolproof way of thinking to get possessed. The truth is that begnin helpful spirits are the exception. Being cautious at all times is the way go go.

[@Joel-wx7zk]

@@owkttwilane5928Cause fear is one of the most ancient feelings, even with the veils are thoughts & emotions are still transmitted and alters the spirits beyond especially when we sleep when our consciousness briefly passes across the veil. Imagine how strong our influences would’ve been before the veil even existed, when there was no barriers between spirits and people.

[@AlienStorm7]

I think this is the first time I've seen this, it's really good! Vivienne seems so small here, having to stick with whatever she learned at the Circle as being safest. Missing out on the rest ny rejecting it, bit sad.

[@SparkOfElune]

It makes me wonder if Vivienne actually believes anything she says Sometimes it seems to be all so rehearsed that she doesn't even habe an identity behind the mask

[@DLibera]

I was replying inquisition today and I heard some women talking about Vivianne outside the Chantry in Heaven. They said they didn't trust her because all her speeck seems insincere. Literally one of them said "she says the right words without any spirit behind them".

[@FrayJay]

@@DLibera Ahhh... so THAT'S who they were talking about

[@DLibera]

@@FrayJay yeah... They were initially talking about mages and then one of them mentions "Madame De Fer" (Vivianne)

[@owkttwilane5928]

Yes, so small, I just saw more than one genocide from possessed mage and just the most peace-loving spirit lover decided to commit genocide on us in the next part :) BUT they look tall.

[@Warren13958]

I see both sides here on the one hand Vivienne is right some spirits are dangerous and can't be trusted but on the other hand believing everything people have told you since you were younger is not a good idea

[@teresamorrow2459]

People are dangerous also. Be it mage, templar, elf, human, or any other. Even in our own world, we see good people trying every day to make the world better and others bent on destruction. I think that DA follows it very well!

[@objectdefiance4027]

People Are Dangerous too.

[@objectdefiance4027]

@@teresamorrow2459 Oh hey lol.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

​@@teresamorrow2459. And Viv knows how to deal with them, not in vain she is a master of the Game.

[@ashavellanar1965]

Cole is by far the best character in all Bioware. He is, without fear, what its supposed to be, an spirit, something unfamiliar by human standards. Unlike, Legion which has to be humanize to be comprehendible, Cole can remain true to its nature or become human. Which is, one of the best spirit companion we have so far in the franchise.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

Ehhh....no, he is definitely not.

[@Just_someguy_without_Moustache]

​@@SeventhheavenDKdefinitely is

[@tylerwade3498]

I wish wynne survived and was in inquisition she would have been so interesting in this game she could have done so much plus it woulda been cool to have her lelianna and morrigan as advisors

[@SparkOfElune]

True! Wynne and Anders were abominations and would've been a major add to DAI! Too bad they could be dead depending on your playthroughs

[@tylerwade3498]

@@SparkOfElune wynne is dead it happens in a book wynne pretty much sparks the events that start the mage rebellion with what shes found/figured out and i ment her power and influence in the book the grand seeker locks all her companions up after they return from their mission but cant lock wynne up because of who she is xD

[@SparkOfElune]

Oh right! Asunder! I had forgotten about it, thanks for reminding me 🌈

[@tylerwade3498]

@@SparkOfElune swear i think they killed her off cause she would have been able to do to much for the inquisition and you know her nosy ass would definitely be involved if she made it

[@SparkOfElune]

@@tylerwade3498 I'd kill to see Solas, Dorian and Vivienne interacting with her

[@twinkle_toes3906]

Both sides are wrong and right. Vivienne was born in the current times with very little knowledge about the fade and demons. So of course you would be cautious of things you don't not understand, specially considering mages are succeptible to the influence or corruption of spirits. They can literally take posession of your body and the process is irreversible. And most of all Vivienne is a survivor, you cannot survive simply based on your emotions and a moral compass. You have to have reasoning and logic. We should remember that this is a very dangerous world to live in. People who are overly compassionate and emotional with little to no sense of reality are always the first to die. While Solas was born in a time when the fade and the real world overlapped. A time when mortals and spirits coexisted. It was a highly advanced period of time where research into the fade and spirits were so advance. For example the Evanuris can be considered a result of such a research where elfs became so powerful they spiritualized. One of the major flaws of Solas is that he is so stuck in the past and his guilt for destroying the ancient elven race, he is unable to see the present. No more like he refuses to see the present. He refuses to acknowledge that as of now he is a relic of a ancient era that has been lost to time. The Evanuris are kinda depressing if you think about it. They are practically indestructible but their mental state can deteriorate over time. I wouldn't want to live my immortal life as a mental patient. And wouldn't want my future to be an existential crisis.

[@tonyrussell7944]

@@ricrhee7525careless trust not truth

[@owkttwilane5928]

@@ricrhee7525 Yea, Vivienne not open, but Solas too cant understand and help people understand, he just want destroy one world for another - its about spirit lovers guys :))))

[@ultimatedespairgamer6722]

Solas lived in the current world for a while before inquisition, he knows how current sprits work, and he tries to educate, Vivian simply does not want to hear anything different because she’s indoctrinated and brainwashed by the chantry

[@nicolem3951]

And Vivienne have a reason to fear, one time she was almost possessed by a deamon when she was younger

[@morgan145able]

It's one thing to be cautious of spirits, even VERY cautious, and quite another to be openly, nastily hostile like Vivienne is. She doesn't have to trust Cole, but she doesn't have to be impolite either. I don't think she understands how much her hostility betrays her terror either, instead of making her seem strong. Also, I see a lot of people saying that Viv is only this way because she's a survivor, and I'm inclined to agree, but from my experience successful survival involves adaptation to new information which Vivienne is doing her level best to avoid by sticking to rigid ways of thought ("Iron Lady" indeed). As for Solas, he may know more about dealing with spirits in general, but his info is outdated. At the very least, he seems to be unwilling to accept that things changed drastically for everyone, spirits and mortals alike, after he created the Veil. People have had to scramble to make new rules, and some of those rules are based around fear rather than facts. It's not their fault though, because SOMEBODY chose to take a long nap after causing a cataclysm instead of helping people understand their new normal. And now SOMEBODY wants to cause another cataclysm because the first one didn't create the utopia he was hoping for in spite of him doing nothing to shape the chaos he created.

[@italomorais9424]

She has reasons to be hostile against something that could possess her anytime, I love Cole, but spirits are dangerous, even the ones that reflect the good of human nature. We seen what happened with anders. You should also take in account what Cole himself reveals about her. She almost couldn't resist possession on her harrowing, which scarred her for life. And even then, she still cares about Cole, and sometimes forgets he's a spirit.

[@SneakyBastard-oi4eb]

Solas didn't "choose" to take a long nap, he had to. Destroying the world's connection with the Fade affected him as well, so he became much weaker and had to fall in a slumber. It's not like he could predict or tell exactly what would happen, and the current state of the world definitely wasn't what he wanted. So, with that in mind, how would you suggest him "helping" people understand the world with the Veil? Even if he could avoid falling into slumber, how and where would he start? He didn't know what would happen, how most people would have their connection with the Fade mostly removed, and how his help and information would be received. Suspicion? Anger? Desolation? Depression? Please, tell me how that would help. Solas woke up in a nightmare he created, with no real knowledge of how things work. He felt he made a mistake, and vows to correct it himself, because he knows no other convincing way. He's most likely wrong, but what if he's right?

[@dranzerjetli5126]

The Evanuris magical tech was top notch for sure. Creating spirits which could be compared to AI managing things or being companions in those times. Damn they were good

[@lucassamuelacosta]

El comentario final de solas podria definirse de la siguiente manera , como decirle ignorante a una persona sin decirle ignorante

[@basedkaiser5352]

Vivienne’s opinion is understandable. demons do pull some fuckery on people to trick them and even though Cole is benevolent his kind is still pretty rare.

[@Marmychuuu]

Spirits of compassion/mercy would be rare in the world where it offers little to none.

[@italomorais9424]

Also, Cole reveals she was almost possessed at her harrowing. She has reason to be afraid.

[@000mjd]

Viv maybe it's not the nices person but her doubt it's reasonable, i always think Solas's mayor defect it's healways thinks he Is absolutelly right about everything and even when he Is mostly reasonable he Is very condescent to other opinions, even when he openly recognized in Trasspasser that his decisions led him to multiple disasters More that once

[@knory123]

I get Vivienne, but I still just really dislike her with a passion

[@lukeamparo6586]

I know folks hate Vivienne for being obstinate in her views but to me she has a sense of innocence to her. Yeah she can play the political game well enough but her naivety with institutional structures like the Circles and the realm of the Fade shows she is quite innocent at heart. Especially with how she treats her comrades, yeah she can be blunt or bitchy but she has a soft side too. Not saying she’s a sant but she’s more than the bitch she seems.

[@M.Datura]

She's definitely more than a bitch, but I would not call it innocence that she clings to the Circle guidelines. She is afraid, deathly afraid I'd say, and unwilling to look closely at what's beyond her known boundaries in fear of falling herself, which seems a pretty valid interpretation of what a lot of Circle mages are essentially raised to think; that they are so dangerous, and so vulernable they shouldn't be left to their own devices, not even think up a system for themselves. Which I think is the essence of what Cole points out here. To be fair is also her strength when it comes to court intrigue, because being wary and overly cautious is neccesary. I would not call it soft. Her fondness for Duke Bastien is not without it's baggage, and I frankly don't see how she treats her friends "softly". She's too informed for it to be innocence, it's ignorance at that point. But she's not two dimentional, and if anyone argues that, then they're just as ignorant.

[@detrik01]

Based Vivienne. Only sensible mage

[@DraculaCronqvist]

Power-hungry lunatic who is out only for her own gain 24/7. The woman is a waste of space and a blight upon Thedas greater than the Darkspawn.

[@TheHotShotProject]

I think you mean privileged and ignorant

[@JadeStone860]

This is a great example of why Solas is such an asshole. He refuses to consider another point of view other than his own, and acts like he’s completely in the right and everyone else is misguided and small-minded. Vivienne is right to be wary.

[@Andrew_Waples]

And Vivienne is exactly the same as Solas.

[@GustavoHenrique-sn8ox]

Except Vivi is being the short sighted extremist here while Solas is being sensible.

[@yamidevil2173]

She basically says all demons AND spirits are bad. She's wrong. She has a right to be vary, but she's an extreme. Solas doesn't see the world as black and white, she does