Dragon Age Veilguard: Misgender Scene (Pulling a Barve & Isabella doing Pushups)

[@BananaMike780]

"some people mess up and make the apology all about themselves 🙄 " "now if you excuse me I need to halt this conversation to do pushups"

[@135mikerules23]

Isn’t “pulling a Bharv” a contradiction? It does nothing BUT make it all about the supposed offender.

[@aspidelapsoneandonly]

You can't claim the moral high ground without the good ol' delulu

[@spawn302]

That's the thing, you are always at the mercy of whoever you offended to perceive what they want. They're always going to look for the angle where you still are trying to offend them. One person could perceive you being sincere and open about your apology as you trying to tae away attention from the room and away from them. Another person could perceive you doing push-ups as you insulting them because they aren't as fit. Another could perceive a quick sorry as you trying to move past it (as if that's a bad thing) but no, you NEED to do something THEY want that is as punishing as THEY want so that their feelings are validated. People get their feelings hurt all the time in day-to-day conversation, and if someone apologizes for it, most cases really only need whatever moves past as quick as possible. You can tell easily if someone means it by simple body language and social cues. You don't need to do pushup or amything.

[@Cloperella]

We need to have a gif of Isabella doing pushups, so every time someone on Twitter gets triggered over the most trivial matter, we have the perfect response to them.

[@SaltandDragons]

She will have arms like hulk hogan if you do that.

[@TheDoDoGuy]

Oh used on the woke idiots that put this here in the first place

[@FluffySylveonBoi]

This is so horrible I can't even.

[@Forbidden_Chocolate]

well i already do 60 push ups everyday that means i got 6 ammo, i call it pre barve-ing.

[@Macheako]

😂😂😂😂 haha

[@quantras2673]

Never need to apologise again

[@mrwannabeblacksmith8831]

I love that idea

[@Forbidden_Chocolate]

Just show them a video of u getting ripped when they ask for an apology, long live malicious compliance 🤣

[@Kat1kafka]

Dragon age 2 isabela would never give a damn about pronouns

[@EveIndra]

They make it all about them. As she makes it all about her and her sermon. Tragic

[@ThatAsianKid32]

Ah yes, a totally normal, interaction. People definitely talk like this. Seriously, who wrote this trash dialogue? And the voice acting sounds like a bad dub over. Baldur's Gate 3 has spoiled me.

[@Copperscaled]

not really, this is just bad

[@gibbons9599]

Struggle sessions now included in modern games without an ounce of irony.

[@tokamnich4709]

it gets so much worse than this. taash is huge hypocrite she says you need to call her "they" but there are so many moments while roaming with emmirich were she will insult his necromancy and even a cut-scene were she calls him "death mage / skull f*****" over and over and he repeatedly asks her not to - he ends up getting visibly upset and starts to yell because its insulting to him. she gets "upset" and feels uncomfortable if you dont use "they" but she will ignore others on their own topics and keep doing it because of how she feels. she is so self impulsive and indulging that she doesn't care for others.

[@stuart4341]

bruh why did you even play the game to find this out

[@DocteurPanda]

Sounds almost like the real thing

[@izanagiorochi6324]

You called Taash a she, gonna need you to pull a barve and give me 10.

[@tokamnich4709]

@@stuart4341 if u didn't care about the game? Why u here.

[@stuart4341]

@@tokamnich4709 I'm here because im concerned about mass effect. We all knew this game would be woke way before it came out, im just curious why people still bought it

[@Ricki_47]

Taash didn't even care or looked bothered by it tbh

[@DicFlair]

That just because they didnt have the ability to properly animate her facial expressions.

[@livinlicious]

@@DicFlair maybe because she already had enough of a stage when she demanded to be a xim/bam/flim. its the new "coloring your hair", or being goth. now you are "they". cool. hope these people grow out of it, but sadly most of these people suicide, because your mental illness is not a personality trait.

[@SolomonsProxy]

This is the worst thing I have ever seen.

[@stuart4341]

look up dustborn, its even worse

[@nateguerra319]

@@stuart4341yea but that is a niche game nobody was going to buy the writers and creative teams took a steaming dump on Dragon Age with this one

[@stuart4341]

@@nateguerra319 thats a fair point, while dustborn itself is cringier, dragon age has millions of heartbroken fans who waited 10 years for this. I'm a huge elder scrolls fan and im worried about elder scrolls 6 and i might be in the same situation.

[@carraigroche9663]

​@stuart4341 tbf I'm like 90 percent sure dustborn is a government 'how do you do fellow kids'

[@MaliciousMatt888]

Why a medieval fantasy game needs this I will never understand.

[@nateguerra319]

Writer self inserts BioWare is done

[@exposednerve6382]

troons.

[@bladerj]

THE isabella ? lmao, i swear she dies and new captain assumes the title isabela each game....... cant keep her look or atire consistent

[@mariossikelianos6435]

I'm so using this irl. Just insult troons as much as you want, then pull a Barv and get ripped at the same time

[@catcrapinahat]

Based and Barv pilled

[@me8751]

​@@catcrapinahat 😂🤣

[@Darksiders2988]

She didn't even do a full 10

[@funkydanieluk]

Yeah she did 5. Obviously not entirely sorry.

[@BananaMike780]

@@funkydanieluk her form was terrible, too.

[@bjosezombie87]

Each pushup she does identifies as two 🤡

[@TheJadedJames]

This is the thing for me. I’m not the pronouns guy whining about they/them in the character creator from Starfield pulling me out of the narrative. But Dragon Age isn’t set in the future of our world, but a medieval fantasy world. There was already lore from the older games about the qunari and their in-universe terms for gender non-conforming people. So in that context it is a little weird hearing a totally modern word being used to describe something people in this alternate culture would see differently and use their own language to describe. Even the act of doing push-ups to apologize for accidentally misgendering a friend makes the scene feel like it’s set in 2024 and not a fantasy world where I’d presume singular they wasn’t just recently mainstreamed within the last 10 years.

[@timothypickarski5234]

I agree they could have chosen a better term than straight up nonbinary, but push-ups are not a recent invention. It’s one of the most basic movements our bodies can perform it’s an ancient exercise

[@dragames]

if you watch that whole rant, that's not what he was saying, what pulled him out of the narrative was when all the women he was speaking to were complaining about men and the patriarchy when all the men were 'grunts' and all the superiors were women. Then he spoke to the one lady with gray hair and he said "Watch watch, she's going to say she's becoming a man" and 10 seconds later she says "I'm thinking of becoming a man". The pronouns was part of why companies who make games like starfield think they can get away with shit writing.

[@Frdrck2.0]

Shut up and enjoy content and wait for more content to consume you bigot

[@neo-didact9285]

Trans/NB people have always existed. This scene makes sense.

[@Copperscaled]

@@neo-didact9285 not really, you couldn't get gender surgery before the advent of modern technology.

[@StavrosMueller93]

I think it's cool to allow players (in a single player game, mind you) to create any character they want. I think, also, that it's a CRIME to make anyone sit through a cutscene like this 😂 talk about cringe...

[@Alienjeans]

Stand aside Tolkien, this is how you write medieval lore and tell a story.

[@Ash_95]

Lmao

[@neo-didact9285]

Trans/NB people have always existed. This scene makes sense.

[@Copperscaled]

@@neo-didact9285 stop copy/pasting and use your head. no they didn't, they couldn't. medical advancements.

[@idgiethreadgoode1779]

I don't even think the content of the scene is that bad, it's just written in a really unnatural way. To clarify what I mean, when Taash goes like "I didn't know the LoF cared about this stuff" and then adds "me being nonbinary": in a real conversation, the second part is unnecessary because your interlocutor is having the same conversation you are. It's already the topic at hand. It feels more natural imo, more like actual people speak, when generic wording is sprinkled in and not everything is specified. Also I think the Bharv thing would be better as an inside joke the LoF started doing just because it was funny, not because it's "the best way to apologise" (is it really?) and Bharv never told anyone his reasoning.

[@WarPaintClub]

I'm progressive and even I admit this scene is kinda bad and needs the stuff you've mentioned. Bravo. You should write creatively.

[@sapkowska]

Ah ... The infamous scene that broke the fandom 😅

[@techstormster]

BioWare is dead. 2003's Knights of the Old Republic is an example of a BioWare game. This game was made by SkinWalkers.

[@ryanjones358]

Why even include this? I want to play a fantasy game about fighting monsters and dragons using swords and magic as escapism. I don't want to be forced to have to watch a PSA about misgendering.

[@WendingWyrd]

The lip-synching is so incredibly bad. I can’t believe they called it acceptable. And the rest of it…What train wreck is this? Did the devs play ANY of the other games?

[@siobhanhenry9094]

The rest of it being the content? A rowdy fight story shared among friends? Or the non-binary part? Coz pretty sure dragon age has had trans characters and queer characters for many many years.

[@EveIndra]

​@@siobhanhenry9094 the way it's done is preachy. It's horrible

[@WendingWyrd]

@@siobhanhenry9094 It's not the non-binary part. I'm 100% okay with that. It's the outfits, (Isabela's especially) and this new pushups thing. I mean...sultry, sexy Isabela randomly starts doing pushups as a self-imposed penance. The rowdy fight story was fine. Isabela's language in it was spot on, I totally give them that. But...her look and behavior didn't feel right at all. The sense of Dragon Age just seemed missing. This looks and feels like fanfiction, not something polished.

[@spower69]

​​@@siobhanhenry9094it's dogshit and the agenda to turn every piece of entertainment media into a left-wing political dissertation is anathema to good, compelling characters, dialogue and plotlines. It does not resemble the previous iterations of the series visually, thematically or literarily and somehow manages to look worse than basically all prior entries in spite of being the most modern. It managed to dispense with all of Dragon Age's unique strengths and emphasize the worst elements that emerged in the low-effort second installation of the series.

[@AmySorrellMusic]

​@@siobhanhenry9094 They were well written and were an organic part of the story. This is just awful, forced and poorly executed. The LGBTQ community deserves better than whatever this nonsense is. So do women. Gigantor bun and Harding are infantalized just as they have infantalized their audience. If they are going to make a rated M for mature game, I would suggest they hire actual mature writers next time.

[@izanagiorochi6324]

That's not the Isabella that broke my heart in Dragon Age II.

[@SaltandDragons]

It should be pulling a barf since that is what this game wants me to do.

[@alphawhiskey5131]

The video game industry is dying

[@exposednerve6382]

store as many roms and isos on hard drives as you can. everything will only get worse. nothing will ever get better. its over.

[@markymarc12]

@@exposednerve6382 Agreed

[@JordanShipp-w1d]

I can't imagine anyone getting this upset over this cutscene.

[@Wulfdane]

I’m all for “inclusion” when it makes sense in the setting and story. But this dialog is atrocious, the worst I’ve seen in any game.

[@Submersed24]

Nah no trans in anything. It’s a stupid woke idology

[@billybatts8283]

Funny. You know what you do when you focus on inclusion? You exclude the majority.

[@xproviperzzxx]

If you're going to add politics to video games at least make it about the environment e.g. bioterror, corporate greed, destruction of home and not cram this patronising shit down our throats when everyone is aware mental illness exists already.

[@LoganScott1117]

Horrible. They brought Isabela back to humiliate her.

[@dragames]

this might go down as the worst scene in video game history and that's including Andromeda.

[@Ash_95]

Hard to beat, "My face is tired". Lol

[@elrandom71]

Peak american nonsense 🤣

[@cyanavaricegaming8318]

This sounds more like a group of coworkers trying to be poilte to eachother than comarades in arms.

[@thechantedWhite]

You need to make apologies for your mistakes on calling our NPC’s pronouns and get scolded for it by those NPCs

[@TheLuckyShepherd]

No, you can't go in the little girls locker room dude and I'm not doing any push-ups. 😂 Hold the line men!

[@TheOverLord69x]

I also like the point out she doesn’t even do the full set of 10 she did six so even the attempt at the apology was half assessed…..

[@KarlKokain]

I'm so tired of being preached at. Gtfo.

[@Thleepricon]

That they intentionally have it phonetically sound like "Pulling Above" is hilariously cringe as well

[@Frdrck2.0]

I'm pulling a barve on troons online now

[@Nadlee004]

From Origins to this dogshit. I pray to god that BioWare shuts down so we don't have to suffer anything like this anymore.

[@firstnamelastnamesb]

The grin Isabela has on her face the entire time is uncanny. It gives me Mass Effect Andromeda vibes.

[@aldykusuma4563]

Isabella got woked, being an admiral really hit her head hard.

[@artemkoropotkin3047]

What if the offender that is pulling a Barve does it to avoid apologising? In my mind doing ten pushups is much easier than offering a genuine apology.

[@x2567x]

Isabella?💀it’s like she has 3 split personalities, 1 for each game she’s always completely different from the previous version

[@stronensycharte64]

Im so glad they made this cringe game, because now whenever someone doesnt accept my apology, i can send them this shitty cutscene to explain to them that im sorry, but im not going above and beyond just for their approval lol

[@masgaz9748]

I'm sorry but they really coulda handled a bit smoother, like how they did with Krem in Inquisition

[@shot040]

thanks for uploading this.

[@tanzderritter2201]

She was the hottest bride of the franchise! What have they done to her body, her personality? Now she is the tolerance teacher. I never saw the second part, where Bellara starts to believe in the crazy speech of Isabella and does what she advised. This makes the scene funny again.😂😂😂

[@tschakatschada]

This just became an instant meme. It also hurt physically.

[@SonofSolomon]

Is there a villain who misgenders everyone and never pulls a bharv and seeks to reestablish the patriarchy?

[@jamiemccutcheon2088]

This might be the worst thing I've ever seen.

[@jaybee4288]

Forgive the BioWare writers for they have sinned 🙏

[@ennieminymoo6675]

May the Lord forgive them for I won't

[@bryanmcmaugh1522]

Non binary..... I hear this in real life but why in a game? Games are escapism and not this crap being forced into our lives once again

[@exposednerve6382]

troons keep getting creative positions over actually talented people because of DEI and shoving their disgusting pedophilic fetishes into every piece of artwork

[@blakem.2611]

Oh my gosh I can't even. Do they think this makes this character likeable? A petulant fickle little baby child that literally has other people doing push-ups when they eat her favorite snacks and don't use the right name this is so cringe-inducing it's insane. I wanted to actually buy this game just to experience how bad the writing is, but I literally don't think I could handle it without burning my computer.

[@JokersVsZombies]

I hope the asteroid arrives every day even more.

[@me8751]

**Pulls Barve vigorously while watching this**

[@MasterhpIke]

Who even plays shit games like this, go play skyrim or something. Or at least play games from China or Japan

[@WingXCustom]

Weeb

[@ricijs2000]

@@WingXCustom racist

[@Xrevenger100]

@@WingXCustomA NBA 2k and yearly Cod enjoyer I see

[@joshmulligan950]

I remember when games used to be fun and escapism feom real life

[@andrewmg5915]

What a stupid lecture to conclude that there's no correct way to apologize and keep the pronoun people happy. Because nothing can make them happy. Hey! Just like real life.

[@AlexanderKuznetsovAKASergei]

Ignoring the whole debate over non binaries and the like, they sure could've at least attempted to pick a word that basically mean the same thing without taking you out of the setting of the game. Also i get that Isabela is supposed to be an exotic pirate and all that from past entries and reading her wiki page but why does this outfit give off drag queen vibes?

[@billybatts8283]

A made up word for a made up thing? Fantasy within a fantasy.

[@Phucketmcsucket]

1:15 ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO! Start over and do those push ups right!

[@loki1066]

If the people who made this were being tortured and it was pay per view🤔

[@MalicousQuintessence]

Is no one going to point out that she only does five pushups? Also, her knees are too low.

[@Ryan-gh4iz]

Maybe we should all just catch up on our back catalogues. Play the games we never got round to that were made at a time when the western world wasn't completely off its hinges.

[@kamity]

So this entire scene is a class on social gender studies? 🤮

[@mushroomcrepes4780]

my refund got refused cause I have 4 hours in this game...

[@markus1086]

Uhm... what is the point of this 5 minute conversation?

[@techstormster]

"And out of them too, Ahieeiaiaiaiaiaiaaaa"

[@berkafilip3107]

Well, im pulling a barf :D

[@CDbiggen]

As unbelievably awkward and cringe a social interaction as the audience i suppose this was made for are used to.

[@AFGuidesHD]

how do you get this scene ?

[@jsn585]

i wanna know too so i can avoid it

[@AFGuidesHD]

@@jsn585 just avoid Taash, you get it after doing their personal quests, and after doing Belleras ques to meet her brother

[@jsn585]

@ bet

[@gabriellaalef2799]

isabela looks really good like in the trailer da2, but this non binary things... strange

[@euthanasia9930]

Ohhhhh. Taash is right there. I actually thought that was a dude.

[@KIRIYAMI93]

Now I fear for mass effect 😢

[@ashed9049]

Go woke go broke

[@exposednerve6382]

fucking wish. sounds like its doing pretty good, unfortunately.

[@jabe6078]

Tough watch

[@Rodrigo_RDG]

I didn't like the dubbing of this game, and you can tell that they redid the dialogues, this game is rubbish in everything, it doesn't even represent a Dragon Age

[@morgorth3242]

why does the background music makes me feel to play fallout1

[@JohnDoe88831]

This is fake, no?

[@OSRSSco]

Unfortunately, its not

[@thelonewolf191]

Oh lord 🙄

[@Rhyzla]

The worst thing I’ve seen in a while

[@TheDoDoGuy]

So forced in its unbearable

[@BlacKOuT21255]

Freak show.

[@lordzeuxy7657]

Disgusting.

[@shamsi500]

What is this game😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@weirdwolf8009]

Creepy characters.

[@8-bitbert]

Go broke.

[@jamiestar3362]

😱 what is this…..

[@Livoynju]

Woooow

[@randomgamer9782]

So much cringe, OMG

[@theoroderick782]

Any scene with Belara is atrocious, that character is literally so useless. Please someone tell me she has at least one good scene. Edit:Wow. People got mad about this? 😂😂I'm not pro trans or anything but literally it's just a bad scene filled with bad dialogue. Skippable and done. 😂😂Lol

[@knoxgibsonthe]

CRINGE LORD 😂

[@P07AT0]

cringe

[@Voldemort_Pendlegrass]

lol

[@carolebaskin138]

Dog water

[@xtracheese9914]

………

[@WelshSnake6978]

So...what's the problem?

[@GooMooBoo]

Depends on who you ask. Reactionary chuds simply don't like the idea of a non-binary character existing. Some more progressive types love this sort of thing because it's inclusive. What's frustrating about all this is that a more nuanced conversation gets lost under the noise. I think Isabella "pulling a barve" is insufferable self-serving. She makes it all about herself, so as to... not make it all about herself. Also the term non-binary feels anachronistic to the medievil inspired setting. I would have preferred some in-universe terminology and conceptualization of what it means to be non-binary.

[@markm7929]

You’re kidding right?

[@Submersed24]

It’s WILD people think this is anything but cringe

[@WelshSnake6978]

@markm7929 no seriously I've been playing this game and why the unnecessary hate? I've chuckled at a few things but nit enough to throw a temper tantrum over

[@markm7929]

@@WelshSnake6978 you’ll figure it out. There’s thousands of other people laughing at this. Start there possibly

[@Sabb9th]

The amount of triggered people in the comments is hilarious lol

[@KamKrzem]

just wait how triggered you will be if we call a guy in a skirt "a guy" lmao

[@siobhanhenry9094]

This scene is sooo fkn good im so excited to get to it

[@Xrevenger100]

You haven’t played a lot of games

[@Chrisfragger1]

Your mother drop you on your head a lot as a child?

[@Falsenight845]

Please be bait

[@siobhanhenry9094]

@@Xrevenger100 I have indeed I'm just not a right wing idiot that can't tell most games have been mocking me since 2009 lol

[@StuartEaston23]

@@siobhanhenry9094 Thanks for confirming the other persons suspicions that you've barely played any games.