Dragon Ball Minus VS Bardock: The Father of Goku

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[@TotallyNotMark]

Would you change anything from Dragon Ball Minus? If so, how would you change it?

[@nightwalker174]

Totally Not Mark *Make Bardock start a rebellion and then have Goku be younger and not have Saiyan armor*

[@kaichen3830]

So is this Dragon Ball Minus a new continuity or no? Is it just Idk.

[@florin1952]

Not much. I love both versions of Bardock and I like minus. But if I WERE to change something, it would simply be combining both characters. Bardock being a fearless badass rebel of a warrior WHILE also being a caring father.

[@CometX-ing]

Just show the rebellion and everyone will stop complaining.

[@excitedcat9517]

10:50 You'll be fine you have the luck of the Irish on your side

[@sendAJtospace]

Father of Goku>>> Bardock wasn't a good person. Saiyans weren't good people. The special gave a breath of fresh air from the cliché "good guy protagonist" we usually get in Dragon Ball. I think that's part of the reason that Bardock is a fan favorite. Or was, at least.

[@CometX-ing]

ohmyGUHDness Minus Bardock also isn’t a good person.

[@sendAJtospace]

@@CometX-ing Minus Bardock is a *better* person.

[@CometX-ing]

It that he cares about his son, but overall he’s still an asshole because he has no issues committing genocide for Freeza.

[@fork-man]

@@CometX-ing other saiyans said that bardock was a little good this means that other people had to notice this when he is around dude is not with his family 90% of the time

[@KanuandTeezy]

ohmyGUHDness Zeze Reaction 🔥💪🏾 kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4rCnImOpN52rsU

[@painfan476]

Father of Goku was one of the greatest DBZ specials

[@fork-man]

Umm trunks wants to have a word

[@painfan476]

@@fork-man "one of" I consider both amazing my guy, (I gave your comment a thumbs up)

[@SSBandSMTfan]

and that soundtrack !

[@painfan476]

You mean with saliva right! lol good times@@SSBandSMTfan

[@omegaink5635]

So pissed they changed it.

[@keybladeoverlord]

Honestly the Psychic Abilities of the Kanassans were the reason Frieza wanted that planet taken over to begin with. The Kanassan who gifted Bardock with the ability to see the future wasn't doing it to bless him with foresight to prevent a cataclysm, he did it to get the last laugh and make Bardock suffer. The visions mainly serve to start a chain reaction of mild paranoia in Bardock that he tries to shrug off until what he sees is flat out starting to happen when he sees that Dodoria and his men killed Bardock's crew, forcing him to accept that his comrades aren't making up some story. The future vision gifted to Bardock gives him the drive to try and save his planet and race (Which also in the process imprints his image into the back of Frieza's mind as justification to his fears of the Super Saiyan legend and why he felt the need to wipe the Saiyans off the face of the galaxy).

[@keybladeoverlord]

@Colby S Spencer pretty much yeah.

[@GrooveCityAcademy]

Brilliant analysis my dude. Sad that minor story elements like this are overlooked. Especially when you consider the fact that quality storywriting in the dragon ball series is few and far between these days.

[@lmlopez6155]

Ironic. He could save others from death, but wait no he couldn't, never mind

[@zxawakening]

Dang you should make analysis vids on your channel

[@Miloproductions1]

Yeah idk what this mans deal was. That psychic part of the story was interesting/cool af.

[@dreadrath]

Ah, the old idea that Frieza turned the Saiyans evil and that without him they'd be good guys. It almost hurts to realize there are still people out there who believe that's true.

[@benhaver9737]

I agree with you, but apparently Toriyama doesn’t.

[@dreadrath]

@@benhaver9737 Guess Toriyama forgot the old lore. Well maybe not since his Saiyan God legend had the god emerge to purge the race of evil, but once the god passed on the Saiyans turned evil again, as a race that thrives on battle, slaughter and bloodshed eventually will.

[@wiibrockster]

The Saiyan's are a race of Barbarians. Fighting is what their life revolves around.

[@SteveCrafts2k]

Not really, though. Frieza organized them into a concrete society, but they were barbarians. Without him, they'd still be ruthless killers, just without the tools Frieza gave them.

[@fadjabarry2022]

@@dreadrath even tho dragon ball legends really isnt cannon they atleast explained. theres evil saiyans and good saiyans and Super Saiyan God was achived by the good saiyans i think

[@prettyboyg1278]

Even though Bardock seeing in the future seems unnecessary at first, I still think it paid off. 1. He sees that Goku will avenge him. 2. He knows that his race will get wiped out and cant do anything about it (Like every other race they didnt spare) 3. Goku tells him its not too late to change, which results in him confronting Frieza, because he now wants to do the right thing for the very first time..

[@rhondahoward8025]

No, that whole "you can be better than him speech" was nothing but dub nonsense. That scene was actually supposed to be silent. Bardock gasps and reaches out to his scowling son, but other than that, it's quiet.

[@rycalamo2684]

@@rhondahoward8025 I personally feel the scene was improved upon, giving Bardock a chance to do the right thing for once was awesome, a chance at redemption, ultimately showing it’s not to late for a person to change

[@rhondahoward8025]

@@rycalamo2684 That wasn't the kind of person Bardock originally was though. He was a space pirate. End of story. He fought Frieza to try to make a stand for his people sure. Bardock cared about his comrades as well. That makes him a brave man, and a morally grey man, but he was no hero. See, what made the conflict between the Saiyans and Frieza so interesting was that it wasn't Good vs. Evil. It was Gray vs. Black. Bardock never regretted blowing up planets. He was just outraged that Frieza would try to wipe out his race even though they had been working loyally for him throughout the years without complaint.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@rycalamo2684 but that's not bardock. Bardock was a space mercenary, who was never good. The irony comes from the fact that he now suffers the same fate he gave to all those other planets.

[@thaearthquake]

@@rhondahoward8025you both can be right. Yea Bardock was a ruthless Saiyan through and through and it’s his moral greyness that leads to him disregarding his own child the way he does. So at the very end, hun acknowledging his own mistakes adds to what makes him so tragic.

[@LumpKing]

Mark is too underrated. My top 5 Dragonball channels easily

[@yungnatex]

LumpKing i agree

[@eazylegend9614]

LumpKing worst db channels

[@eazylegend9614]

VINCENTNATTI no lol he overthink everything and abweeb

[@MangaHeroYK]

J P Dude hates on GT too much, tho.

[@LumpKing]

Eazy Legend stop hating for no good reasons foh

[@marioman863]

Only good thing about Minus was seeing Goku's mom.

[@eazylegend9614]

Scarlet-Electro That the only decent thing

[@denisn8336]

Pretty much

[@omegaink5635]

Ya same

[@Whatahorriblenighttohaveacurse]

I love that Saiyan dress

[@naijaboygangsta]

Pretty much, raditz too. Theu should have just used the father of goku example and implented gokus mom, to further enhance the story

[@mfrebel7831]

That intro alone deserves a like.

[@eazylegend9614]

masayoshi kunz no it was cringe like his channel

[@mfrebel7831]

@@eazylegend9614 No need to be mean dude. If you dont like it thats fine.

[@VarjoPira]

Nostalgia goggles for everyone!

[@markotuna]

masayoshi kunz you seem to not be familiar with Eazy Legend ahahaahahaha! :D Eazy Legend youre a god!

[@mfrebel7831]

@@markotuna No idea. Who dat ?

[@falcolord8404]

I kinda hate how we now have to accept the minus story as the official origin of goku being sent away and how bardock is portrayed

[@anthonydeadman]

Fuck that, we don't have to accept shit. Even the most famous of writers could mess up their own story without thinking and in my personal opinion, Toriyama messed up his big time when it comes to Goku's origins.

[@MoojinBoi]

@@anthonydeadman keep telling yourself that, still canon

[@anthonydeadman]

@@MoojinBoi Fuck off you overly accepting Minus fanboy.

[@dekaritheprofessor2631]

We really don't though🤣🤣🤣

[@bigboi5545]

@@MoojinBoi Who cares if something is canon or not. Either the Cell Saga or GT is how the story of Dragon Ball ends, if you ask me. I couldn't give two squats of piss about what DBS or anything else made recently says to that.

[@Xiuhcoatl_]

Old Bardock > New Bardock. The Saiyans as a cold ruthless race was amazing. I loved when Bardock was a badass. Now he simply wants to protect something... What.

[@benjaminhaley3780]

+ That green armour was badass, same for the bandana with his friends blood.

[@ias787]

How is wanting to protect something not bad ass?

[@mylaangko153]

Old bardock was trying to protect his friends and his planet against frieza and his henchemen. So he was badass? Lol

[@milliondoller06]

@@mylaangko153 but he came to that conclusion instead of him being good person naturally

[@dragonmouse3985]

Ok. Bardock's Psychic Powers: These were not MEANT to be a BLESSING. They were a CURSE -- Bardock, like the people he killed, is CURSED to see the end of himself and his race, and be unable to do ANYTHING about it. And it works perfectly. So.... the Psychic powers are in fact NOT an example of bad writing but in fact of GOOD writing. This is something called tragedy. A character that can see the hand fate has dealt them, and can then struggle against that hand, but can do nothing to stop it. Were they necessary? No. Did they add something to the story? Yes. They made Bardock think he could change things, when otherwise, he may have realized he could not and instead decide to flee the planet or some such. At the very least, they made him face the realization that, much like the people he spent his life killing, his own life, his own struggle, did not matter. Vegeta NOT responding to the destruction of his planet an race is also AMAZING. Because it shows that the event is so traumatic to him that he can not process it. He can not react to it. He knows there is nothing he can do about it. The only thing he can do is BE the embodiment of the Stoic Warrior that a prince of his race SHOULD be. Also not an example of bad writing. Instead an example of good writing. Especially when we consider how moved by pride and a need to avenge his race he is during the Namek and Freeza ark, and then to prove himself, and the SSJ as the universes ultimate power in the Cell Arc. Its clear that it is NOT that Vegeta does not care for his race or his planet, but instead that his only option is to repress his need to act on this emotion, providing a psychological explanation for his other actions and his difficulties with his son in the Cell Saga as well as with emotions and emotional expressions in general, and why after achieving any measure of power, he always refuses, in the future, to accept any indication of his own powerlessness. He is haunted. Bad writing, bad writing is the good guy with the big number punches the bad guy with the bigger number, but the bag guy with the bigger number's power is too big so the good guy with the big number has to get really really really mad so his number will get big enough to be bigger than the bad guy with the big number. Rinse and repeat. Entertaining? Maybe, sometimes it is cathartic even. But good writing, no it is not.

[@ifeanyiozoh5735]

@ShalakumX Simba no vegeta never cared about his race

[@ifeanyiozoh5735]

@ShalakumX Simba he killed one of the last remaining sayains and laughed

[@uchihaedgelord5589]

@@ifeanyiozoh5735 He was shown to care deep down; that’s why he begs Goku, the person he hates the most besides Freeza, while crying, to avenge him and his fallen comrades, stating that Freeza “must be finished by a Saiyan’s hand”.

[@beancheesedip8337]

You make an interesting point but I do have to disagree with the final part of your comment. “Good writing” isn’t the basic premise of the story boiled down to a few reductive sentences. If that were true, Sword Art Online would be the greatest story ever told. “Good writing” is how the story flows from point A to point B while fleshing out its characters and world (at least, that’s how I’d describe it). So sure, you might be able to “explain” Dragon Ball by saying good vs evil and good wins, but Star Wars is a simple good vs evil story. In fact, most fiction (especially sci-fi and fantasy) boil down to that main theme. A good example of this is Lord of the Rings. LOTR is not a complicated story when you completely strip it of all its great characters, worlds and plot lines. I’d argue that media like Dragon Ball, LOTR, Star Wars and the like are more character driven stories than they are plot driven. Nobody watches Dragon Ball and expecting, or even wanting, a deep, plot driven story like The Departed or even Pulp Fiction, where the characters, while fun and/or interesting, aren’t what most people remember. They remember the jokes, the one liners, the intersecting plot lines. People remember Dragon Ball because of the emotional moments; Vegeta sacrificing himself after letting himself be taken over by Babidi, both Gohan and Goku transforming through the rage of loss, Piccolo protecting Gohan after training him for a year; there’s a reason why Goku and all the Z Fighters are the cultural touchstones they are.

[@origin666]

@@beancheesedip8337 Damn this made me amazed or maybe I am just dumb to not deduce this. But still amazing nevertheless

[@ricardocarmine2763]

I like how unapologetic and savage the original Bardock was, its as if AT forgot that the Saiyans are supposed to be bad people. Also OG Bardock was a freaking BADASS, his moment trying to convince the saiyans to unite against Frieza needs to be cannon

[@puppygirlasuka]

Also his theme song fucking SLAPS

[@Dzakaleh]

9:30 to be fair I thought it was Vegeta’s way of coping with the loss of his people. Burying it inside only for it be released when frieza beat the shit out of him and he’s pleading with goku to kill frieza

[@jermainekngdom3154]

@Embodiment of destruction actually he didn't know till the namek arc. He just thought he was on a mission for frieza. When he found out what frieza did he change sides. Raditz was more sympathetic. He just wanted to train his nephew. And he end up dieing.

[@redgrave4492]

@@jermainekngdom3154 Vegeta knew or at least had his suspicions that Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta long before the Namek arc. If you remember there's a flashback while he's on Earth remembering being with Nappa and Raditz, he stated that he didn't care if Frieza destroyed their planet. Frieza did confirm it though when they fought on Namek

[@DuendeTortuga]

I was actually happy when I heard Toriyama was going to draw a new one shot manga, and one depicting both Goku's parents!, but it was a big let down, nowhere near as good as Bardock's story from the tv special.

[@PokemonBoy-de4jd]

Che it was written by Toriyama

[@game_changer1331]

And now Bardock's pure hearted son, a robot, and his Lizard Emperor saved the multiple universes

[@CrystalGreymon]

Cyborg*

[@stardust8797]

Game_Changer frost demon

[@stardust8797]

Frieza is a frost demon

[@CrystalGreymon]

Which I'm quite sure is just a term used by Doctor Gero to help distinguish them as a race.

[@ifyouknow3220]

CrystalGreymon Android*

[@Benimore]

I remember Toriyama saying that he loved the Bardock movie and even dropped a tear when he originally watched it. The fact he wrote Dragon Ball Minus the way he did can only be explained by the fact that men's testosterone levels get really low by the time they surpass 60 years of age.

[@lapplandkun9273]

lol, should have just redone the special and added in scenes with gine and bardock's crew and bam. It's done. Why mess with perfection?

[@narutofan4545]

Lmao good analysis tbh

[@narutofan4545]

@@lapplandkun9273 Akira needs his Oc

[@ProjektTaku]

@@lapplandkun9273 it wasn't perfect, but it was much better than minus.

[@joseanibalsantacruzamanzo2202]

lol Toriyama crushing the fanboy image of Bardock because he felt like it is the prime example of assertion of dominance, and he even made Goku be even more like Superman. Although it's nothing new, mangaka don't like others writing their stories unless it's a spinoff.

[@Mooncubus]

Now that Minus has been animated in the Broly movie I still have to say I prefer the original Bardock. I'm glad he at least gets to live on in xenoverse

[@555twintv2]

I still like Dragon Ball minus because everybody there was a good guy and there were good things in it. I like good stuff.

[@narutofan4545]

No one likes minus

[@hippityhoppity5823]

Let's not forget what drove Bardocks hate for Frieza over the edge. Frieza sends his men to kill Bardock and his team, but Bardock wasn't there, thus he survives? No. Bardock was strong enough to take on Frieza's men, and he knows this. After one of them says "We we're playing around with your team earlier, you should've been there" Bardock replies "You're right, I *should've* been there." (And let's not forget him wiping the blood of his friends on a rag and rapping it around his forehead). He proceeds to woop total ass on these dudes, and survives daduras finishing attack. With his team (his best friends basically) down for the count, he already knows Frieza (the who he already hates) was behind this betrayal, thus strating Bardocks revolution. As he goes back to Planet Vegeta, he's already been getting these visions of his son, someone who is kind and works hard. Before arriving to planet Vegeta he noticed a pod flying past him and he gets a gut feeling he ignores. When arriving the staff tell him that they just sent his son to Planet Earth, thus surprising Bardock but there is not much he can do so he continues. He arrives to tell the other sayians that Frieza is planning on destroying the planet, although no matter how much he begs them, they just laugh at him and tell him he's crazy. Bardock runs out, and now he is left with no one, his team is dead, his race doesn't want to believe him, and his Planet is going to get destroyed. But he gets another vision of his son Goku, where Goku tells him that it isn't too late to be different, and gets a terrorizing vision of Frieza. Bardock shakes his head, and with determination he decides he will have to stand up to Frieza, alone. He dashes off to Frieza's ship with anger and determination, the hundreds of Frieza's men are nothing but obstacles to him and he defeats and flies right past the whole army. After facing off his entire army Bardock gets cocky and throws his strongest blast at Frieza, which turns out pathetic to Frieza's enormous power. Frieza throws his planet buster ki ball at Bardock and Planet Vegeta thus killing the saiyan race. But before Bardock dies he gets one last vision of Goku, facing off Frieza, and Bardock smiles. What a story, and Toryama erases it and decided to make boring dragon Ball minus the cannon story. Everything Bardock was to us, that we looked up to for years, gone...

[@koffibentum7452]

Yeah, Dragon Ball Minus completely destroyed Goku's characterization

[@Webshooters1]

I agree the TV Special was better. I liked that Bardock wasn't a good guy, that he non-nonchalantly talks about killing everything on the planet. It perfectly contrasted with Goku and made him special and welcome change of pace. Minus as you said Mark cheapens Goku's story and makes Raditz look worse. The fact this retconed origin is gonna be in the new movie makes me angry honestly.

[@FarEasternLodge]

Id only add more of bardock being gritty and cruel before going back home because that would atleast show us that he is only kind around gine.

[@DeadKraken]

That would make up for it I think. That and have him try to fight Freeza after sending Goku away

[@NFrk97]

Wasn't him slaughtering a planet's race with a smile enough to convey that? He was also pretty stoic with his fellow soldier too when interacting with him.

[@a.liguria2698]

@@NFrk97 He was only shown in 1 panel doing said actions... They do not convey any feeling...

[@ghoulchan7525]

That's basically what the first page of DB minus tried to convey.

[@SpaghettiGod34]

9:32 You’re talking about the same guy who later grows up to kill his own henchman for being broken and unable to fight. Vegeta only cares about himself for the majority of Z, the only thing he’s passionate about is his saiyan pride not his saiyan race anyway nice video as always

[@adventurersitem-shop3050]

• WhereDidYouGohan • Vegeta never made sense to me. He takes pride in being a Saiyan and the Prince no less and was super pissed at Frieza for killing his people along with his dad yet he also only cares for himself? Vegeta was a very poorly written character do to the fact he was forced to be kept around since fans loved him so much. It was not planed that he would be a main character.

[@SpaghettiGod34]

Jace Beleren well yea you can’t really rule a kingdom that barely has subjects, it’s not like he would want the saiyan race to be almost dead as it is. You do have a point that he was probably kept around for too long but they have made Vegeta grow into the most loved character in dragon ball

[@adventurersitem-shop3050]

• WhereDidYouGohan • Yeah he is probably the most popular in the show. But that’s only because most of the cast did not get nearly the amount of Development as Vegeta did if any at all.

[@SpaghettiGod34]

Jace Beleren Gohan comes to a close second but yeah you’re pretty much right

[@DeadKraken]

@@adventurersitem-shop3050 Actually if you look into it considering the characteristics of his race, how he was raised, how he lived and the personality he showed, he absolutely makes sense. I know for sure that Toriyama didn't do it intentionally(we all know lol), but Vegeta's psychology and evolution are one of the deepest and most realistic portraits of a child soldier I've ever seen in a shonen manga. Including the complete desensitization towards murder(even of his own comrades), his own feelings and the delusional over-glorification of his race. Plus his behavior during Z, strongly suggest also some form of PTSD. It's also not fair to say that Vegeta is loved because he's the only one that got a good deal of development, have you forgot about Gohan and Piccolo?

[@Nestle245]

Dragon Ball Minus should've never been. Nothing can take away the OG Bardock and the experience it gave the DB community many years ago.

[@Fooacta]

DB has been in this weird spot as of late, where it's trying to be as friendly and accessible as it can, but still wants to make callbacks to and remind older fans of when it would delve into darker and surprisingly violent territory.

[@Fooacta]

@Evolve Beyond I'd posit that it was less about it being dark than it was about the dramatic/emotional impacts and the culmination of plot threads and character arcs. Stuff like Goku turning SSJ, Gohan's SSJ2 and Vegeta's final explosion were all moments that we had (intentionally or not, cause Toriyama) been building up to over the course of multiple arcs and sagas. Not to say there weren't darker elements in play but those were rarely as prevalent as they were in the specials.

[@prettyboyg1278]

Its really disgusting. Its just not right when shows like One Piece, My Hero Academia or even Naruto are more violent and darker now than DB. This was a show where people ripped their arms off, puked blood and perforated each other with attacks. Now we hit the point where everyone got shiny, glitter auras and eyes. Everything is just light hearted and even in serious moments they throw in random jokes which doesnt even work.

[@prettyboyg1278]

​@@rpllrp Bro, its really not about being sadistic or blood thirsty. This franchise literally focuses on fighting!! The whole reason of people fighting is getting the upperhand on your opponent. So we, the audience, need something that clearly shows, that somone is stronger than the other. Physical damage or even death is the whole meaning of a fight. A fight creates a story in itself. Because every major blow or injury is progression and creates a new chapter within the fight, that shapes or shifts the narative. Without it, there is no tension and no reason to even care. But the most important thing is: We all know that Dragonball will have a happy end. So the show has to create the illusion, that something terrible might happen to our characters! A fight is always a risk of getting injured or even losing your life. Thats why its thrilling and interesting in the first place. We fear for Goku when hes horribly beaten to shit by Piccolo. We cheer for Goku when hes punching every drip of blood out of Frieza. We are blown away by Gohan defeating Cell with only one arm left. Those moments create reactions like "Oh shit, how is he going to recover from this?!" or "Damn, he really did it, after all he went through?!" Its never been about the transformations, beams or techniques. It was always about what those things could do to their opponents! And it was the key of Dragonball even working. Thats why I couldnt care less for Super. This show never gave me the feeling that ANYONE was in danger. Dragonball Super Broly has characters fighting for hours. And while being gorgeously animated, It was one of the most borring fights in DB Ive ever seen. Ive felt nothing of Brolys strenght, because it wasnt visable to me on Goku nor Vegeta. Dragonball is about people being so strong that they are punching each other through rocks, or blasting each other into space. So of f*cking course we need brutality to some degree, to make it somewhat believable. Otherwise its just as you said.. watching a kid playing with action figures.. And even kids are imagining the battle damage in their heads..

[@BBreezybaby114]

@@prettyboyg1278 yeah the og Broly was good because you could see how much effort they put into beating him. He literally broke the Z warriors to the point that they could barely stand. It made him so much more compelling in that he was the embodiment of pure power. He had the super saiyan power that Vegeta thought he obtained and when faced with this realization it shook him to his core to the point where he didn't even see the point in fighting. If not for Goku, Vegeta would never have joined the fight

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@BBreezybaby114 I mean, that's cut back by OG broly's horrendous story. It's terrible. That's why I prefer super broly. He had a better backstory

[@simbadas1234]

yeah i personally don't consider minus canon, i can accept Gine as gokus mom, but that's it, the rest of it doesn't make sense due to the flashbacks showing stuff like armorless goku and bardock resisting freeza.

[@govindsuresh6805]

Mark you're my favorite dragon ball content creator. The effort you put in and the cohesiveness of each video really separates you from a lot of other dragon ball content creators who don't seem to put much effort in. Thanks for all your hard work I hope you only go up from here!

[@thaearthquake]

The Father of Bardock is top tier DB material for me honestly and seeing how he was retconned for the newer generation hurt in a way I didn’t think a piece of fictional media could. (Along with taking away Future Trunks’ happy ending) Toriyama just can’t help but ruin a good thing 😔

[@thelvadam90]

Good old modern Dragon Ball ruining and shitting all over the story

[@tiablue9106]

Bardock started out as a well-written character, but every time he was brought back, he became worse, and placed in worse plots. The original special was really the only story that should've been told with him, it fit him and the narrative of DB very well. He never should've been used again aside from video games and stuff. And screw Toriyama for taking Toei's character and making him into...that. I don't wanna start a rant, so I'll just stop here

[@theNEWMASKSdudexxx]

It's almost like Toriyama created the series, not Toei

[@Fooacta]

@@theNEWMASKSdudexxx He did, but it wouldn't hurt him to recognize when he's replacing quality eastablished material with whatever the hell Minus was. I respect his body of work but he's been on some George Lucas shit as of late.

[@theNEWMASKSdudexxx]

@@Fooacta Whatever the hell Minus was, Toriyama is passionate about it, and wants to make sure that it's solidified as canon (which it always has been), and we as his audience should respect that.

[@Fooacta]

@@theNEWMASKSdudexxx I'll acknowledge its canon status, but I don't have to respect it at all. Especially when it supercedes what was a superior story. Toriyama can make bad calls just like everyone else.

[@theNEWMASKSdudexxx]

Speak for yourself. I think father of goku was pure nonsense

[@Magmafrost13]

Between Minus and what we've seen of the upcoming movie, I get a terrible feeling Toei is trying to sanitise the saiyans

[@GeteMachine]

I already don't like this idea of them being good people.

[@Fooacta]

That would be genuinely upsetting.

[@manovrsb]

I doubt Toriyama can ever redeem the saiyan race seeing that they are murderous genocidal people. Yes they are BAD people who deserved to wiped out by Beerus but they weren't as WORSE as Frieza (which is the point the new movie was trying to make)

[@Magmafrost13]

@@manovrsb Toriyama can and does retcon anything and everything. Minus is already inconsistent with the DBZ manga, which is in turn inconsistent with itself, there's no reason it cant continue to be inconsistent.

[@Lucas-zk2vy]

@@manovrsb they were worse than Freeza they just wanted to beat up everything on their way Freeza only wanted to dominate the other and violence was a tool for him but for a saiyan violence is life

[@excitedcat9517]

Dragon ball minus The Origin of the great *sayiaman!*

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

Goku was Saiyaman all along

[@kennygalaxy6444]

Yeah I totally agree, the story changes for Bardock is NOT an improvement. First Gine, (yay, we finally meet Goku's mom) But she's apparently not a fighter so she's working in a Meat distribution (Saiyan soup kitchen)...um ok, kinda goes against what we were told about how their race is supposed to be built for battle. Then Bardock, instead of trying to avenge his friends and taking a stand against Frieza for his race and for himself as a proud warrior, he instead let's himself die so his son could succeed and surpass him......that's totally not a stereotypical anime father. (disappointing) All I'm saying is I'm just not a fan of these changes, the old version is clearly loved by alot of fans so I say why change a good thing? if you happen to disagree that's perfectly acceptable, there's no need to attack this comment 👍

[@CrystalGreymon]

In fairness, about the comment regarding Gine just not being a fighter, she's considered a special case. It doesn't stop her from being an extra pair of hands so putting her in the meat distribution keeps her doing something simple but efficient. Her being a rare case is effectively the same for humans that don't want to do something we were built to do. But for the most part I otherwise agree. A character that you're not invested in so much isn't worth watching or reading about.

[@kennygalaxy6444]

CrystalGreymon I see your point there, it's understandable just a little disappointing, but that's just me

[@CrystalGreymon]

Considering that all we've been conditioned to expect, I think that wound up being one of Toriyama's famous subversions. I suppose that's why I'm so interested in Dragon Ball as a franchise. You never know what to expect unless it's made obvious. That said, it'd be nice to see a more traditional Saiyan relationship but at the end of the day, that's not really something that could actually be explored very well.

[@kennygalaxy6444]

CrystalGreymon too true, as for myself, I'm somewhat of an artsy type so as long as there's some cool looking characters with a good story I'm on board, so it isn't all that surprising how I ended up following the Dragon ball franchise (one look at Goku, Raditz, and Piccolo and I was on board for life)😂

[@EnrocaLaRoca]

Well, I heard that between Kakarot's runaway from Planet Vegeta and Planet Vegeta's Destruction passed 1 month. During that month maybe Bardock decided to confront Frieza

[@SXA_Assassin]

I don't know why people really even like Gine; she added nothing to the dragonball story, let alone the story she was in. She was just there just so the fans can go: "huh, neat...". Also, she was the start of the concept of saiyans becoming boring. Instead of being a race of battle hungry monsters, they were a story of how goodie boys and girls fought their mean friends, prayed and ended up becoming a god for like 5 minutes just to die; and now the race has more meanie saiyans than good saiyans. Toriyama has been adding lore and changing things that had no reason to be changed since he started Dragonball again with Battle of Gods, and its been bad for the most part...

[@travisprescott9708]

Cause of opinions

[@prl4122]

shadowassassin925 yeah gine is the purest form of fan service I’ve seen put into the actual canon of the series. She’s not even a character worth knowing in any capacity and actively ruins what made bardock a beloved character in the first place

[@TheHylden]

@@prl4122 Yup, just because she exists doesn't mean she's a good thing that was added. She just is there.

[@Rex67Diego9]

@@travisprescott9708 yeah opinions don't matter to facts tho, Gine is a blank piece of paper that is just there for people to say "its the mom of goku"if you like that, fine, but then again i don't see why dora the explorer isnt your favorite fictional character if thats enough for you to be wowed

[@CometX-ing]

I like Gine because she ISN’T some battle hungry ape. She shows a different kind of a Saiyan that we haven’t ever seen. She was an outlier among Saiyans, one that I personally prefer to Saiyan women like Fasha. Plus her dynamic with Bardock in my opinion is an interesting one. Despite Bardock being the average Saiyan, he married Gine because he cared enough about her, not so he could have a kid. Plus her design is nice. Sure she lacks a strong personality, but very few characters in Dragon Ball possess much if any depth at all.

[@dr.shakib9961]

Dragon Ball minus isn't the definitive canon, I just cannot accept this, how senile has Toriyama become to even consider this the canon origin of Goku?

[@mrespada6260]

Tell me about it I dont consider it either it's too trash the special was a thousand times better this one ruined Bardock Character

[@eazylegend9614]

Shakib 999 facts minus is ass

[@shadowLeone3933]

I think we can all agree on that

[@Amoro22]

I don't have a problem with minus as long as it's done well. Hopefully the movie can implement it well enough Edit:after some thought,Im kinda disliking minus even more, but I still believe it can "work"

[@NinjaTyler]

Mostly fans ignore minus except for gine, she's the only part most fans accept as cannon

[@rnpee]

1:21-1:37 This was me, as a Rabid Bardock fan girl during 8th grade and freshman year of high school.

[@rashidmohammad262]

the old one had a way better story xD

[@Mobik_]

The Father of Goku is the best movie I even owned. I still have the VHS around.

[@bananachild1936]

It was also Toriyama's infamous forgetfulness that kinda messed up Dragonball's chronological lore. Or maybe it's because Toei payed Toriyama a bunch of V-Bucks to silently reboot the whole franchise. Who knows?

[@sbevexlr848]

It's probably toei

[@chaserred4155]

"Dosed on painkillers and down one arm" Ah yes, the Future Gohan treatment.

[@KingBurger52]

Father of Goku was way better. Saiyans were always ruthless and never showed much emotion or attachment, hence the reason going Super Saiyan was always tough. Now Bardock was turned into a loving and caring father.

[@michelvanderlinden8363]

"I mean its not like you literally just returned from committing mass-genocide as part of your fucking day job" Lost my shit at this XD

[@vivaelchilepicante]

I refuse to accept DB- as the new retelling of goku's origin

[@ProfessorZoom2140]

Bardock's visions had an important purpose to his character and the story, specially at the end. 1. That alien gave him the ability to see the future as a form of revenge, because he already knew what awaits them, and the fact that Bardock won't be able to stop it. In edition, it was established that these aliens have some weird psychic abilities. so it didn't came out out of nowhere. 2. Throughout the film they made it pretty clear that Bardock doesn't care much for Goku, and even resents him somewhat for being born a low-class warrior. Which is kinda ironic considering that Bardock himself was also born as a low-class warrior. Maybe it's a self loathing thing. And so, as the film goes on, Bardock sees random visions of future Goku as a powerful warrior, fighting against Piccolo, Vegeta, and even Frieza. He doesn't know what to make out of these visions at first, because he still denied the fact that he can see the future. When he realized that Frieza really was planning to destroy their planet, everything clicked, he accepted the fact that the visions are true, and he tried to rebel against Frieza in order to change the future. 3. At the end of the film, when his attempted rebellion failed, he received one last vision before blowing up along with the planet. Now knowing that the visions a genuine, he again sees his son, as a powerful warrior facing Frieza. He smiles with pride. Knowing that Goku will avenge their race. And so Bardock is at peace at the end despite his fate. That psychic alien tried to torment Bardock, but Bardock really was the one who had the last laugh at the end. And most importantly, he went from not caring and even resenting his son to be proud of the man he'll become. That's a really cool story and I really like the future visions idea. They made the story somewhat unique imo. I also found it clever that Bardock only saw Goku's future, because Goku was the only character that actually HAD a future. He saw nothing for himself or his race beyond that explosion. Which hinted that none of them will survive. Great movie. And I agree, that one-shot is pretty bad in comparison.

[@animeguykurosaki1]

One thing I loved with the Broly movie was fixing Minus, it not only showed off why Bardock came to the reasoning that Frieza was gonna destroy planet Vegeta, and saying that he's spent his entire life murdering planets, and how he wanted to do one good thing. Not to mention keeping his attack on Frieza the same, which as far as we know had a lot cut from the original 3 hour script

[@mikeclarke5732]

It didn't fix the over all problem at all, for one it still breaks continuity by having Goku being sent to live on earth( which Raditzs knows about) means he would have never gone to earth in the first place. Secondly Frieza knows and remembers who Bardock was both in the anime and manga. He explicitly remembers him in the exact same outfit as his Movie Special outfit with his Blood Bandana. Not to mention it still gives goku Superman's origin for no reason.

[@thaearthquake]

It really didn’t change much on Bardock’s end honestly. Did great characterization for Broly though.

[@NoName-cz3wn]

I never had a problem with Bardock gaining psychic powers. The way he got them was interesting, and it served a great purpose. He was allowed to see himself through the eyes of the oppressed, instead of the oppressor, and it created a conflict within him. He's a Saiyan... unless you wanna have him get bonked on the head like Goku, there is absolutely no reason he'd ever come to the conclusion that maybe being a killing machine for Frieza isn't the best thing ever. And yes, his friends DID tell him about the betrayal, but all that did was give lyrics to the music that was Bardock's visions, and allow us to see his pain materialized, before it REALLY materializes at the end. Bardock TFoG is my favorite DB movie/special of all-time, and is absolutely still my headcanon. Idc what Toriyama does to take a dump on his own legacy.

[@a.liguria2698]

Knowing how retcon-friendly the franchise has recently become, I wouldn't be surprised if we'll see this backstory to be retconned as well. Maybe they'll change it back to the og one, but in such case they would appear as losers without a backbone who can't witstand fan backslash.

[@Zhigwich]

Okay, but the real travesty is that they changed his sweet looking green armor, for a boring and generic looking design, lol. Heck, does he even still get the headband?

[@deterlanglytone]

As an Irish guy, I got the Bertie Joke. More Importantly, would you to do a full version of the parody DuckTales song from the opening? Otherwise great video that mirrors my own view on the subject perfectly. Although I will say that it doesn't help that Minus is much to short for to even get invested in these versions of the characters. Like if they were going to be nice, we shouldn't want Gine or Bardock to die, but instead, we don't feel anything about their deaths. Other than how mislead Raditz was at the beginning of Z.

[@mad-dash6448]

Broly movie, made it seem like he had a sudden change of heart to do good for once, with his imminent death looming over him. I liked it.

[@soniso]

Classic Dragon Ball >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modern Dragon Ball change my mind.

[@CapriciousTF]

I fucking died when I heard the Bertey Aherne joke. My mother had to stop the car to make sure I wasn't going to pass out

[@bluedragon5927]

So my thing is- I think Bardock should be a mix of B:FoG and Minus. Why? Because it'd make a bit sense. Have Bardock go from Chaotic Neutral/Evil to Chaotic Good. A sign that not all Saiyans are *PURE* Evil, but not exactly Goku levels of nice either. Instead of Bardock getting "Useless ass psychic powers", he simply witnesses Frieza's forces kill his squad and he goes back to Gine like 'Where's Kakarot?' and sends him off world to Earth before going to take on Frieza- And dying. But hey, A for effort?

[@uchihaedgelord5589]

Erase the whole “Bardock sends Goku because of the danger” that’s what turns Minus from just a bad story to a malignant tumor for the franchise as a whole because it takes away from the themes of the Saiyan arc and Goku’s character as a whole-not only does it makes Goku too special (the son of the only Saiyan who could make up Freeza’s plan because of plot-convenience) but it also takes the irony that Goku, the earth greatest protector, could’ve been the greatest threat they could’ve faced, but also that Goku prove wrong the race that treated him like trash sended to do a trash job by beating the living shit outta the Saiyan ideal on his own.

[@conradojavier7547]

Toei's Depection of Bardock makes him Unique, from a One of Frieza's Lackeys, to a Badass yet Tragic Hero.

[@sonicboomers122]

one Toriyama worst qualities as a writer are his backstories. Trunks Backstory in the Manga is nothing Toei actually improved ALOT on baseline Toriyama made. Minus Is Toriyama clumsy writing a worst version. Question why do Frieza or Vegeta know about the effectively Hidden vessel heading to earth and why would he care. Why is Raditz a shit heel if Gine and Baradock are decent. Nuke that whole Quirk of fate turning the destroyer of Earth to the savior of it. He is just Superman.

[@DragonStar524]

Until then, I actually had no idea Mark was Irish.

[@NinjaGuyDan_]

Oh shit so THIS is where they got the Broly movie stuff from! I was like why did they rewrite Father of Goku for this?! They improved Broly's backstory and ruined Bardock's. It was fine the way it was for the reasons you mentioned. I don't want Bardock to be likable and the uprising was out of nowhere. The TV special is still my head canon lol

[@DUWANGlai_kangyi]

Honestly, yeah, you're right. Bardock was much more entertaining as a careless bastard. It was a great contrast with his son's cheerful personality. However, there's a little detail about this video that bugged me. I like to think that there is some variety in Saiyan population. We know next to nothing about them, and I don't really like labelling them as "bad guys". Rather, just an extremely uncivilized and primitive species which was taken over by an intergalactic emperor who saw their potential in destructive behavior and took it to his advantage. They didn't question it because they were all getting something out of it, and Saiyans were still very primitive to get by on their own. There is a lot of potential to create some very interesting Saiyan characters who go beyond their limitations and start questioning the regime they're living under. They're violent by nature, but they clearly started evolving since the very first documented appearance (when they still dressed like cavemen and lived on their original planet). I like to think that they're kinda on the gray moral area, and that there's as much space for brainless tools who follow orders and ruthless lords of destruction, as there is for slightly more evolved, intellectual and individualistic guys. In fact, the lore of the Saiyans fascinates me so much and there's such potential for social commentary there, that limitating them to being the baddies seems like a waste. I understand, in canon we will never know more about Saiyans. However, maybe some fans can write truly brilliant stuff about them with this perspective. I know I want to try!

[@NidgeDFX]

This video literally reminded me that tomorrow was the DBZ movie theater special I bought tickets for! Random but yes thanks Mark xD P.S. I do watch most of your videos :P

[@anthonydeadman]

Word for Word, I've had this same reasoning for why I preferred DBZ Movie Bardock over Minus Bardock with some folks when we were discussing Minus related content and the excuse my friends had in response was, "Pfft dude it's Dragon Ball who gives a shit about the story or character development? just turn your brain off and look at the awesome battles!" Ever since then, I've grown to hate folks who only cared about the battles within a show and literally nothing else. Sure it's the selling point that is easy to make people attracted to it and of course there's always going to be really kickass fights that wind up becoming memorable years later, but there is more to an anime like this than just the battles alone. It's the journey and motivation that leads to those battles that make em all the more awesome. In the case of Bardock: The Father of Goku, his journey was a short lived one where he tried to stop the future from happening in order to protect his own planet. Not as a Heroic Protagonist, but as an Antagonistic Saiyan Warrior.

[@jackwilson9468]

I hate minus, even Gine was sorta meh for me.

[@thestrong2401]

I agree also the part where bardock says they can't all run away because they would be tracked from their scouters is stupid... Ever heard about not wearing scouter bardock? I mean they weren't even wearing them in that moment so WTF? Nothing about minus makes even remotely a bit of sense. To me super and dbz are officially two separates timelines. Canon my ass fuck toriyama.

[@CometX-ing]

The Strong he meant they could find their power levels with the scouters.

[@thestrong2401]

@@CometX-ing well if that's the case why they couldn't have done the same for Goku? Here he was not a baby like in bardock father of goku, he even had a saiyan armor so his powerlevel wasn't that low.

[@CometX-ing]

The Strong no, his power level was still low, and he was sent to earth because they inhabitants could best mask his power level.

[@mariobadia4553]

You just hate her cause she wasn't fasha or some other Mary Sue OC character.

[@TheDutchWolfx]

Watching the intro I thought I clicked a TFS video. Good job man, nice quality!

[@doubleace11554]

0:00 - 0:26 I NEED THE FULL VERSION

[@megatronacepticon]

I appreciated that Goku finally got a mother and I like Gine's design, but the whole 'Goku is literally Superman' bullshit is a massive downgrade from 'he was supposed to conquer Earth but didn't because he hit his head and Grandpa Gohan nursed him into a happy loving boy.' Being a fan of tailed Saiyans in general I watched the Bardock special many times back in the day, so it holds something of a special place in my childhood and remains my favourite piece of Dragon Ball media in general. Many of the tracks from the dub score are etched into my subconscious, particularly the track accompanying the Great Apes on Kanassa and the track accompanying Vegeta being destroyed. With this in mind I must admit I had a bit of a feeling of 'WTF is this shit?' when I saw the Minus scenes in the Broly movie. I'm sincerely hoping that we get an extended version of the film as we did with Battle of Gods, with one or more of the extensions at least attempting to incorporate content from the special into it, even if just a shot or two of Bardock's crew and showing scenes leading up to and including his full stand against Freeza, speech and all.

[@jotarokujo852]

we need a full version of the bardock song.

[@dirge7459]

I'm gonna be that one guy going against the fanboys and say I liked both for what they were. One portrayed them as stupidly evil, the other a race that didn't have much choice to begin with (even if both had that in the end).

[@mechajay3358]

That surgery really did a number on Mark. He's got Bardock on the brains :-|

[@KaoticReach1999]

Minus literally was the final nail in proving that artist that are loved lose EXACTLY their artistry that put them in their position in the past over time #NotMyBardock Goin from Buu Saga Goku to Super Goku is the example ppl bring up, but man, this video was 4 years ago And the video has proven prophetic Btw live in Bosnia too xS

[@adrianbuchwald6063]

Doki Doki Gokus Father Club

[@Megasaphire]

Just Bardooooooooooooooo *glitch* ck

[@a.liguria2698]

Poor Raditz... he now not only has to defend himself from accusations of actually be related to Vegeta, not Goku and Bardock (due to his hairline) but now he has to endure accusations of not being at all related to them because of how different he is portrayed in relation to the new canon...

[@KCoutoVA]

Imma need a full version of that Bardock theme lol

[@ianthecoolthief6226]

Raditz in hell probably cried in a fetal position when he saw Goku with MUI

[@mredizon00]

DB'S plot has gone down hill since DBS.

[@Stuwie-uu3oe]

mredizon00 Thank you

[@dennisdustin6895]

Can you blame them since they only have notes to make the entire arcs?

[@Stuwie-uu3oe]

Dennis Dustin That doesn’t really excuse all the plot holes and retcons

[@dennisdustin6895]

@Zeus in terms of...?

[@donovandelaney3171]

I don't see how these two versions of Bardock conflict. They're both true versions of Bardock.

[@dpedreno]

One has Bardock not caring one fig for his kid (anime special) and the other has Bardock actively trying to save his son. This is one of many differences and most of them are character blocks that serve as a foundation for his whole purpose. One has no desire to protect anything, only to exact revenge, while the other shows compassion.

[@lapplandkun9273]

how the hell does this comment have two likes?

[@concept5631]

Toriyama's canon is as solid as wet tissue paper being put into a barrel of acid.

[@ediriegi6180]

The point of him getting psychic powers is for him to still be helpless to change anything. Just like the alien he slaughtered without compassion. That alien wanted him to know what it was like to see the future and be completely helpless. Thats why he only saw certain visions. Also towards the end he got to see what goku would become and ultimately he gained comfort in his last moments. "My son lives on". Great line. And you can see that seeing the future actually changed him and made him more compassionate towards his son and his own race. This is called character development and wothout the psychic powers there would be none for bardock. Because he was a savage sayian. Bruh, how could you say that the psychic powers where for no reason. Did you even watch the movie????? Who cares if we see gokus mom that doesnt fucking matter lol. The reiteration was beyond garbage. Good vid minus the physic powers thing.

[@ridlo6437]

Look, can we all agree that Evo is the worst bardock timeline? *_THIS WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING_*

[@itsjufflebb]

I'd pay money to never see that Level 3 ever again

[@ridlo6437]

[juffle] yea me too

[@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666]

Ah, but you see, There is a difference. The Kryptonians are an enlightened Race of Megachads with an actual Civilization while the saiyans are nothing but sub macaque troons who were elevated into sapience by I, Lord Frieza.

[@TheSwordsman100]

There are two glaring flaws with your video. !. The canon for Bardock is more a mix of Minus and Father of Goku as shown in the Broly movie. 2. Having love for one's family does NOT make you a good person, there many horrible people IRL that had a soft spot for their families.

[@a.liguria2698]

1- HOW? The Bardock scenes from the movie were the same as the original chapter... no, even less, since they cut his actual introduction from the chapter, further diminishing his supposed thirst for battle. 2- True, too bad that due to the very fact that we only see him doing that for most of the chapter, 99% of it, that's the impression we are left with.

[@zombieguy4444]

It mostly comes down to depiction The tv special depicted the saiyans as murderous pricks Minus’s depiction was too wholesome and nice

[@namvugiang65]

@@a.liguria2698 They gave him a more resonable idea of why he want to send Goku out, they also further implement that Saiyan are all scumbag, even Bardock, but then he said in the movie that kinda like "After years of conquest maybe he actually learned how to care" after his wife asked why so sudden he wanna protect Goku cuz Saiyan fathers never care about their children if they arent a strong warrior. Which is to me more believable

[@a.liguria2698]

@@namvugiang65 Telling stuff without showing it is less effective than just showing it... they said that Bardock was made a nicer perspn thanks to Gine... but in the minus and in the Broly movie they showed him just being that, no showing of him actually developing from a jerk, or any evil action (beyond that opening scene of the Minus, that meant nothing and got cut in the movie) ... also, in the og and still far superior story, Bardock never sent Goku away... his kid was sent away because of protocol... he just had a last brief moment to see him when their spaceships crossed roads, and then his final vision before dying... which helps to make the og special a story more about he himself, than about "how Goku came to the earth" where Bardock is reduced to nothing but a jor-el of third class, like the minus...

[@milkman4742]

@@a.liguria2698 Sending Goku to earth itself feels like a plot hole. Realistically even as a great ape Goku had no real chance at take over earth. Multiple fighters like Roshi, Kami and Mercenary Tao would be easy to detect, And each of them alone could one shot Goku if they so choose. In Minus/Broly it makes a lot more sense for Goku to be sent off in secret, Bardock was a scumbag but he always cared, It's the reason he put on the headband, It's the reason he tried to warn the others. Overall the Minus version of events fits a lot better in-universe, It also was never meant to 'replace' father of Goku as a story, It's more of a prequel. As you said yourself Gokus departure wasn't the main focus of Bardocks story, They obvious agree as they chose to seperate the events. It's clear Toriyama is setting up a retcon of the OVA but in the same way that Broly's origin was kept mostly the same, Bardock probably won't be all that different, He still sees his comrades die and he still fights Frieza, Only this time they more closely tie him into the story, They've even foreshadowed that he'll end up tying into the Granolah arc which is cool, It's likely that the aliens of the OVA will be switched with the Cerealians.

[@seamistseamist]

It sure was nice of the saiyans to make an entirely unique battle armor with an armored skirt attached specifically for Gine.

[@eazylegend9614]

If anyone believe minus is better than father of Goku I must be have autism

[@Jjones-uz6ni]

me too

[@virginloser4850]

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[@kratal122]

Hell, I have Autism and think Minus is garbage. It’s not worth the effort to compare it to Father of Goku in quality.

[@xandrepearcy449]

We could quite easily be friends, Mark. I like the cut of your jip.

[@inewulf3204]

When You would rather Bardock be The Legendary Super Saiyan in canon than Dragonball Minus happen to him.

[@kevin71794]

Minus is bullshit, THANK YOU. Tbh I never really wondered about Goku's mother or any saiyan "mothers" because I had it in my head that saiyans that came after the Tsufurujin holocaust were all genetically altered test tube baby clones of their "parents"; explaining why saiyan babies are seen in incubators and hatchery environments. Like you said, they're downplaying what the saiyans were (as explained by Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, ((Turles, Paragas, and Broly), and even Freeza), and to make Bardock be softy...kinda kills the already established mythos. At this point and with everything Super did, Toriyama is just shitting all over the older fans of the series and I hate it, but oh well, I'll give the movie a chance.

[@Moe_Shindeiru]

I Fucking Love Bardock! He’s my favorite!!! The original not minus or the Broly movie. The original, the true Bardock!!!

[@Takatacion]

I actually don't mind Dragon Ball Minus, But I like the Broly version where Bardock's reasoning for sending Goku to earth because Bardock wants one good thing to come out of his life.

[@BRANMiiNO_Animations]

That Bardock song was criminally cut too short, I'm actually going to dislike the video because you deprived us of that gold.

[@KanuandTeezy]

BRANMiiNO Zeze Reaction 🔥💪🏾 kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4rCnImOpN52rsU

[@elijahtoombs3524]

Thats stupid

[@Jakespeed207]

You raise several valid points, and I heavily agree. Father of Goku, while not perfect, was definitely more in line with the established canon of Dragon Ball. If Toriyama was thinking of making canon DB- because of the extra fluff, it would've made a much better and well rounded story to remaster that movie, add the scenes with Gine and Baby Raditz, and re-release it. Having said that, and taking a left turn into fan works, have you heard of or read Dragon Ball Multiverse? Because at the moment, that online comic is going through a story using Bardock, Vegeta, Broly, and the Saiyans in general that is *_much_* more in tune with Father of Goku's plot and actually gives a pretty good alternate universe where the future visions actually work to Bardock's and the Saiyans' favor.

[@CrystalGreymon]

8:01 "Why don't we all just run away somewhere?" "That's no good. We'd soon be tracked down by *our* scouters. So... leave them behind...?

[@ventuswill2847]

I think by "our scouters", our = the saiyan race. Basically, they're saying that the scouters by other saiyans/frieza's men would detect them.

[@CrystalGreymon]

@@ventuswill2847 Raditz's scouter in Z had a system to ping his location back to the Freeza Force. Nappa's and Vegeta's had them too. They were also bugged with spy equipment to record the audio from their conversations. Basically Freeza prepped his forces when Vegeta got to Earth because conversations during the Saiyan Saga Battle essentially verified that (Goku turning up certainly gave the evidence considering Vegeta heard from Raditz's final transmission that Goku was dead). So with all that cross communication technology, and the ability to gauge a target's power level, scouters are busted for finding someone who is also wearing one. But you're asking about the part where the scouters are used to detect the power level to find them, right? Well, it's simple. If you have just 2-4 low level Saiyans who got away, they go unnoticed. Gine's Power level wasn't anything to write home about. Kakarot's was 2 and Bardock's was significant... but he could likely control it subconsciously. Given where Raditz was, he was fine. So the rest of them escaping to Earth or anywhere else would have solved the issue. If they left their Scouters behind.

[@chrizchanang]

I actually think Minus contextualized the Saiyans a little more. We never really got an idea of what Bardock was like in the original manga and I think the movie (DBS:B) had a good line of Bardock stating that all his life he was doing nothing but destroying and for once wants to protect something. For him, it’s preserving that the Saiyan blood lives on, as his hunch that Frieza is up to something starts to unfold. To me, I think Raditz was under the assumption that Goku was sent to Earth to destroy it, as that’s usually the protocol, but he never got the full context of why his parents sent Kakarot there.

[@fatihcore]

Bardock father of goku always better

[@eliass.1681]

Cracked the biggest laugh ever when you addressed the numbering by the end. I love your videos Mark!

[@williamholtzclaw3029]

Minus is better BeCaUsE iTs CaNoN

[@mrespada6260]

Dumbest argument eva

[@williamholtzclaw3029]

MrEspada6 dumb argument? No, dumb you!

[@theNEWMASKSdudexxx]

Shame that it's true

[@MrSuperSandwich3]

@@mrespada6260 im pretty this is satire

[@jignaio5762]

I just want to point out that even Toriyama himself was fully aware than the writting for Bardock's special was something beyond his ability to produce, so I'm not surprised that Dragon Ball Minus is a downgrade.

[@masonsclips_official]

wait...HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT BARDOCK TASTES LIKE?? LOL YOU ATE HIM???!

[@kermitwithamustache3885]

*Burdock

[@masonsclips_official]

@@kermitwithamustache3885 thanks XDDD i always say it like Bar, not Bur.

[@ProjektTaku]

I probably would've liked minus if it had expanded more on thinks we didn't see in the special. For example, we could see vegeta, raditz and nappa on the planet vegeta was on at the end of the special, with raditz asking if they maybe went a little to harsh with vegeta replying "eh, they could've become a problem later, so its best to safe the sorry." and we could see bardock and gine on planet vegeta.

[@bradcha5413]

tho not written by toriyama, toriyama did incorporate Bardock: Father of Goku into his original manga, theres a flash back, its sad to see it get retcon

[@alvarostockle]

That hasn't been retconed... i really don't get why people think so. Minus takes place one month before planet Vegeta destruction. The confrontation still happened.

[@bradcha5413]

@@alvarostockle we have to wait for the movie. If the scene where planet is blown up and frieza not wearing his armor and bardock doesn't have the red headband and the green and black armor, then yes it is a retcon

[@alvarostockle]

@@bradcha5413 The suit, I get, but I see everyone reacting as if the confrontation never happened.

[@bradcha5413]

@@alvarostockle regardless if it does if he doesn't wear the same armor (both frieza and bardock) then it is a retcon, because the flashback in toriyama's original manga is the (father of goku movie) version. Toriyama talked about how much he loved the bardock tv special. Unlike gt or the movies where he straight up said it was not cannon. Toriyama never stated the bardock special was non-cannon.

[@alvarostockle]

@@bradcha5413 Yes, that would be a retcon. I wouldn't call a change of clothes a sad one, though. considering the special it's now absolutly non-canon.

[@Thrilz]

He was only in the hospital for a day. I’ve been in the hospital for a week and still have to be here for another 4 days. F

[@KookieKooker]

Let's just hope they improve on it with the movie. We've seen literal frames in the trailers taken directly from minus. Hopefully they can make it a better story.

[@belalabusultan5911]

what is a cooler backstory : 1) Your father was a mercenary, a low-class officer leading a small band of savage warriors under the tyraniccal rule of a dictator who terorrized a good portin of the known world, the tyrant decided that your father has outlasted his usefulness and feared his entire tribe might rebel eventually so he decided to genocide them all, your father was no good man for sure, but after starting to see visions, and then seeing his band massacred by the same tyrant he worked for, he was certain of his tribe's doom, he tried to rally the troops in a final stand against their doom but nobody followed him, they were fools or cowards, he had to fend off his planet on his own, in a final stand he slew many of the tyrant's soldiers, but eventually fell to his doom as he wasn't strong enough, he sent you somewhere away to evade this massacre, and now your entire race is dead. 2) your father was a low class scientist, and a part-time mercenary, he decided to send you away all the way across the universe because he felt something is worn, and then your tribe was killed by a monster.

[@drmicrowave-1881]

The Virgin Bardock VS The Chad Bardock

[@Jays_dead_cat]

The virgin Bardock??? Oh my god is Goku space jesus?

[@aka-fusion8909]

Gokus backstory was literally perfect before in dbz, and then db minus gives us a fucking super man backstory with a mid bardock.