Dragon Ball Super: Broly Angry Movie Review

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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex discuss the latest Dragon Ball Super film in one of Joe's long standing favorite anime franchises of all time! This one aims to bring a fan favorite character in official Canon, how does it do? Find out!
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[@zlambert23]

“There was 30 minutes of fight scenes” This was supposed to be a criticism, but I think this would sell most Dragon ball fans on the movie

[@uchihajoel3064]

Zac Lambert that was a point I told a friend to hype them up lol

[@MrBakerman58]

Joe and his friends shouldn’t talk about dragonball

[@BDL3035]

Zac Lambert The movie could have had 1 hour of fight scenes and any DB fan would’ve nutted at the prospect of seeing it in theaters

[@peedfarded]

Right? Like thats the whole selling point of Dragonball!

[@WarM3chGaming]

There was an almost hour of fighting.

[@ivancerecer5758]

"In dragon Ball Z the fights were quick and short" Goku vs Frieza in DBZ is over 4 HOURS LONG!!! *slow motion* 4 HOUUURRRSS LOOONNNNG

[@shorddy1668]

Michael Hewitt-Clarke that was a whole arc tho

[@dxug_gaming2843]

Thicc Thighs and Anime Guys still, the fights cut together as one whole was 6 hours long. It’s on KZbin 6 hours and a few minutes. At least these were separate Frieda and goku spent hella episodes powering up throwing a few punches. About 2 special moves from each. And Frieza cutting himself in half

[@shorddy1668]

Cxdy Man I know that was my point the entire arc was a tournament of course it was mainly fights

[@wolfgod6443]

@Michael Hewitt-Clarke But imagine if the whole tournament was only the last 10 episodes (expanded to that 5 hour length) with Jiren, Top, & Dyspo vs. Goku and friends. Then we'd be around the level of Frieza vs. Goku. And this isn't even considering all the fighting they do with Frieza's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd forms.

[@Bthakilla4rilla]

Yeah really

[@toobig7399]

Broly powered up so hard he became canon.

[@__sleepy__5910]

so is someone gonna comment about that name and profile pic or?

[@sparks6477]

Oh

[@Kimahri01]

😂😂😂

[@shadoweevil]

Oh no. yup

[@NiceReaps]

OMG i haven't seen you since QuiteShy/shallows vids xD

[@Tabootrinket]

I feel like if they "fixed" the movie the way Alex wanted it, nobody would like it.

[@missnekodes]

@Wparker6804 😂😂😂😂😂😂 wow harsh 😂😂

[@shorddy1668]

What he wants would be better in a show not a Dragon Ball movie

[@fredy2041]

The pronblem is that the movie needs to be longer. 1 hour and a half is not enought

[@-Genki]

@@fredy2041 the movie was too long which is why scenes were cyt from the movie. C'mon be honest everyone would enjoy the film but not many people would be thrilled to sit 2 hours or more in a sest with limited space. Not even sure what the maximum amount of film time is allowed to air but there's probably a limit to it.

[@-Genki]

@@fredy2041 looked it up and guess there is no limit on the runtime of a movie but my other point still stands.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Angry Joe just needs to play some Fallout 76% Incomplete to get angry enough and become the Legendary Super Saiyan.

[@Serprizebuttsecks]

All jokes aside as someone that kept playing it until 2 weeks ago it genuinely IS unplayable now due to the constant server crashing from people duping items so he wouldn't get THAT angry cos he wouldn't actually be able to play!

[@sharkt9877]

Just Some Guy without a Mustache he’s angry joe. He’s so far into being a super sayain he is a normal sayain

[@mjcushi]

Lol

[@theheroofweird5877]

HAHAHA JUST some guy with a mustache no lie I've seen u on the Funimation app also I love the name I get the joke too BTW I'm a huge fairy tail fan

[@theheroofweird5877]

Actually the site forgot app doesn't have chat

[@LegendaryGooseling]

When you complain about fights and screaming in a dragon ball film......

[@abexx8485]

The movie was garbage.

[@frostytheiceberg9933]

@@abexx8485 your face is garbage.

[@ZarChasmOfficial]

That's a troll. Don't engage

[@superdupermudhead]

@@abexx8485 Touché ... everything I've seen from z until this movie was garbage, but I love it, I'm able to turn my brain off and enjoy it like a kid off of nostalgia alone, I don't expect everyone to share my view, i feel the same way about the following things The first 3 seasons of Jojo's all DC and Marvel universe films kick ass but all these things have talent put behind them that makes them amazing to behold

[@johnnysans1618]

It was garbage tho.... the story was poor and don’t get me started on the writing. The fights are exactly like anyother db fight (literally throwing each other across the planet not much impact with any hit). What happened to all the other characters lola

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

"No, I hate you. Well...I hated your father and therefore you. Broly hates Kakarot....because he cried....a lot" - Paragus

[@0101wTV]

Abridged

[@jeshuavega4846]

"I see what you did there"

[@jeshuavega4846]

@@0101wTV thanks for fucking up the inside joke...

[@0101wTV]

You're welcome

[@DeityLink69]

My power is....my power is.....Maximumer!!

[@DeathMachine602]

You guys missed a few key points though from the movie. His dad wasn't just some nobody he was a ranked soldier in the saiyan army. He taught broly everything he needed to know about battle. The only thing broly was missing was actual combat experience against humanoid-like opponents. You can tell that by how much the fighting style actual differs between these 3 as Goku and Vegeta/Gogeta are using martial arts techniques while Broly just powers through. Plus Broly was born with great power and through him surviving on a basically baron wasteland of a planet (didn't even have water btw) was able to have the strength he began the fight with. As to Alex's gripe about Broly just screaming for 30 minutes, it was already explained that Broly was using the power boost from the Great Ape transformation without actually transforming into the Great Ape. In doing so, he basically lost all self awareness and his brain devolved to a primitive state where all he knows is ATTACK. I understand Alex's pov and I'm not saying he's wrong, but his pov is coming from somebody who hasn't watched either BOG or ROF or hardly any super so he doesn't understand how the movies and the show co-exist. Where the movie basically gives you fan service, the show will flesh out the story telling more because it has enough time to do so.... Keep in mind, this movie served it's purpose and that was to introduce Broly, everything else was just for entertainment.

[@ivanmontalco5082]

what alex does not understand is that broly fights how whis wished goku and vegeta did. only on instinct without thinking. that together with his latent power is what makes him stronger than beerus

[@noeljames2589]

I was just saying this myself did they miss the fact he using the great power without becoming without turning..

[@jirendagreat5508]

*says few key points* *press read more* -I’m not reading all that bruh!

[@ivanmontalco5082]

@Nick Fletcher. goku said he was and yes he is going on instinct. with more training he will be able to beat whis.

[@BruceWillis57]

@Nick Fletcher. lol dumbass. Ultra instinct is the state of the gods. Primitive instinct is the state of an animal which is where Broly was at

[@ExodiaObliderate1]

SPOILER WARNING: The fights in Dragon Ball Super: Broly aren't just fights. There's meaning behind these fights and for Alex to say that there was too much fighting because it was "30 minutes of nothing but him grunting and screaming" is bullshit. For example, just look at Broly's story with his friend and the emotion that went into that scene. Broly was originally introduced to Dragon Ball in the early 90s, but he wasn't canon. Everyone liked him, but he was just introduced as a brute character. He didn't speak much, and all he really said was "Kakarot" because all he wanted to do was kill Goku. In this new introduction, they made him canon and introduced a different side of the character. He was still a brute, but now he wasn't just a brute for the sake of it. Now, he was just an innocent child being manipulated by his father, who loved Broly but who also wanted his revenge. Broly didn't just fight for the sake of fighting. He fought because of his father and because it was all he knew how to do. He grew up in a desolate planet with nobody and he only had one friend. But, because of his father's pride and vengeful nature, he wouldn't allow Broly to be a child. This is a complete 180 from his initial introduction, and one that does him justice. Every single act that was taken in the movie shows a specific characteristic from each character. From Vegeta's saiyan pride by attempting to kill Broly for not being worthy; to Goku's peaceful nature by attempting to subdue him so that he wouldn't get killed; to Frieza being plain evil and just killing his father for his own gain. It wasn't just "fighting for 30 minutes." There was a lot more going on within the fights. The fights themselves told a story. There was meaning behind the fights and he clearly didn't understand this. I understand that he wanted more character development, but for him to say that it was just "30 minutes of grunting" is complete and utter bullshit because he clearly didn't understand the meaning behind the fights. For example, when he sees Vegeta fight Broly, all he'll see is Vegeta fighting Broly. Instead of seeing a prideful Saiyan Prince fighting what's supposed to be a legendary Saiyan. When the prideful prince doesn't deem the legend worthy, then he'll kill him for not being worthy of the race. It's a callback to Vegeta's prideful history, but of course, Alex won't see that, all he'll see is grunting and screaming.

[@genshinsage]

I completely agree with you. When Goku tried to subdue him, his facial expression changed slightly which means Goku kind words reached him even though he lost control. There are a lot of nuances in the fight. I call it proprioception storytelling.

[@theeasybeginning664]

Yeah Alex is a moron

[@TubaBluba789]

Alex always has been an idiot

[@mitrollin7921]

it’s a cartoon, relax. Jesus, lol.

[@YH-lj9gy]

@Nick Pyro Probably was Alex's sock account.

[@StrawHatMica]

But they literally said in the movie the reason why Broly was the way that he was, was because the power of the Great Ape made him go berserk without turning into the ape.

[@animegeek3109]

Oh yeah yeah

[@StrawHatMica]

animegeek3109 oh yea, oh yea yea yea

[@Rjrules54]

Agreed

[@reyjr4]

jase276 that’s the first thing I thought of actually. A homage to SS4? Possibly

[@Marsh9090]

@@xSkye629x the Oozaru form was never anything close to the power boost Broly got. Its basically like a kaioken x 20. Its not supposed to push you all the way to ssg level from base. Otherwise the oozarus would've overthrown frieza on a full moon. Maybe if its stated sometime later in the show that Oozaru can achieve god level, then fine. But as for now it doesnt.

[@DragonballBlack]

Alex would have LOATHED Caulifla and Kale.

[@kyero8724]

Just like Broly they had to rush their development becsuse they are side characters. Atleast they establish Caulifla is a protege.

[@Miragexe]

Everyone does.

[@DragonoftheDarknessFlame]

I just hope the Dragon Ball community has the same energy for Broly as they did for Kale and Caulifla their hate was unjustified especially seeing all the things that happened before they were introduced and were fine with

[@Kincaidu]

@@Miragexe Yea they suck. Especially Caulifla. What an annoying character and I really do not understand why ppl like them so much.

[@SteelSpurs]

@@Kincaidu Because she's cool, caring at times with a mean streak , and not to mention the first canon female SSJ. If people hate her so much, they should hate OG Broly just as much.

[@jvtchrs9056]

6:22 “Forgive him. For he knows not what he says or do.”

[@David-jq7wr]

"I didnt like the 30 minutes of fighting and screaming" Every Dragonball fans reaction..... "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[@wanerbdjs]

Lol exactly

[@vitorgrassmann1118]

Is like saying "i didnt like the sex scenes" in a porn movie

[@theteamrpmgfs3901]

Hahahahaha

[@adamblazonis5504]

I do not like this guy in the red shirt at all the whole point of dragon ball is story and long ass fights wtf is wrong with this dude he is not a fan if he said that the fight is pointlessly long fuck off man.

[@allarian8726]

Pretty much the majority of the DB fanbase which is sad -_-

[@Icaras]

I....kind of don't get the "too many fights" thing. To me, that's like going to wrestlemania and then complaining afterwards "There was too much wrestling!". I mean, you watrch a battle anime for the battles! If you really want something to focus on character development...go see a drama.

[@OGBernard]

I remember during the fight scenes I was like “this has been like 30 minutes hurry it up”. Needed more story or at least made the fights more interesting, maybe with freeza teaming up with Goku again to handle Broly or some shit

[@BoONeo]

This movie was shit

[@kelbyrock7041]

you're basically dismissing someone who likes a good story. Ne Broly was wasted. At least the old Broly had a back story into his hatred

[@BoONeo]

@@kelbyrock7041 Not to mention fucking up Bardocks storyline aswell

[@notzogood5535]

@@BoONeo Bradocks story got retconned ages ago

[@acethealien4863]

These guys are so clueless lol 1) original broly’s motivation for having hatred was that goku cried next to him as a baby. 2) new Broly is a a genetic freak, a mutant with latent abilities far beyond any normal saiyan. 3) Broly fought these monsters every single day. Was forced to train by his father EVERYDAY. So he was a genetic mutant that trained everyday for damn near 40 years before arriving on earth. Not even goku trains everyday. 4) new Broly was went super saiyan not because he was so pissed because goku cried next to him as a baby, but because his father was murdered. The lore of the saiyans has always been that there is a legendary super saiyan. Broly is that legend. What use would it have been that Broly comes into the fold as the legendary super saiyan only to get stomped into oblivion by goku. This isn’t a situation like Rey from Star Wars where the established lore contradicts how unreasonably powerful the character is. Broly is only very strong, he doesn’t know how to use his power. I don’t get how you can dislike Broly randomly showing up and beating the two most powerful fighters, when in the original version he stomped ALL of the z-fighters easily. In this version he gets his ass kicked multiple times by goku and vegeta and the completely shit stomped by gogeta.

[@hometownhobbies103]

goku trained against dinosaurs and monsters in the original series. They did what they could to show the characters had a somewhat similar background.

[@MattGarZero]

Hey, hold up. Did you really claim that Goku, the guy who abandoned his family for years at a time to train, doesn't train every day? You're trolling right?

[@The1Music2MyEars]

1) 5:15 Noted in the video sir.

[@joeclaridy]

Original Broly was a genetic freak too, the only difference is that he was exiled while in the original film King Vegeta had him "executed". After his sentence was carried out he whisked Paragus away and trained for years until it became apparent that he will lose control so Paragus put the crown on him to keep him under control. Personality wise the original was an unstoppable killing machine while this Broly is a soft kind hearted man who is forced to fight. Truthfully I like the original more than this one. Like everyone else I'm not a fan of the whole crying Kakarot trope but everything else was great in the original. I don't like how they're trying to humanize the Sayains in Super I wish they would keep them as they were in Z. Having them remaining blood thirsty mercenaries is what made Goku special. And the end of the original, Broly didn't die. The Z Warriors gathered all their energy into Goku and he punched the legendary out of Broly. He survived the comet destroying his planet and makes his way to Earth 7 years later to imitate another glorious round of asswhoopings.

[@TalkSteer]

best comment here

[@geardog24]

Everything is fine as long as Broly doesn't come back as a pile of goo in the sequel.

[@boomstickcritique902]

I dont think there will be a sequel not a movie sequel I mean this plot will be redone for the show when it returns then the sequel will be what ever happens next.

[@bradengardiner5124]

Shhhh we dont talk about that one

[@Darkbeast42]

@@bradengardiner5124 oh come on! Bio Broly was fun. Stupid, but fun.

[@boxtank5288]

@@Darkbeast42 better than second coming. Worse than most DBZ films.

[@521harris]

Bio Broly was the definitive dragon ball movie of the franchise.

[@shepard267]

this is basically just a fan having an argument with a regular people and i love every seconds of it

[@walterlaubscherjr2011]

Couldn’t agree more

[@hunter4428]

"I cant listen to him yell anymore" He is a berserk sayain... df you want him to sound like A proper speaking brit? "He could never go super sayain... then 5 minutes later he can" This guy didnt watch the movie there was an actual flash back (Not just a verbal reference but a visual flashback) of frieza remembering triggering a sayain will push them into this state. Im all for having a non Dbz fan reveiw the movie but at least get someone who pays attention to what they are watching before they actually review it. Hell if you really think about it... Broly has trained Way more than Goku, he was forced to fight by his father his whole life to survive where Goku had breaks in between and on top of that it was stated he is dangerous THIS is why he was sent off. P.S Did they really think Whis was threatened by broly? He was giggling the whole 7 seconds while dancing around him.

[@ssgssbeet4133]

Exactly, Joe claims to be this big dbz fan when we can all tell hes just a bandwagon fan about almost everything he reviews

Dont compare lil fuckboy monsters tht run off when u shoot there ear to goku's entire body of work

[@keeganwullaert4996]

Yea whis wasn't threatened by broly hell most current dbs characters wouldn't be ui goku? No. Kaioken ssb goku? He would probably win too. Ssbe vegeta? Prolly not. Jiren? Hell no. Beerus? Nope. God of destruction toppo? Probably a good fight but no. Hit? Would be close could go either way.

[@josefigueroa4939]

I wonder if Alex likes anything

[@chuyelregio5]

He likes to complain

[@DeathsHead1]

He gave a ten out of ten to Infinity War

[@InoMercy]

He said he liked this.

[@Rustyhound-Cartoons]

Jose Figueroa 21:10

[@Tabootrinket]

He likes Titans... if that gives you an idea

[@parminderjaura5642]

I loved it, but I have one downside: it felt short for how good this movie is. I would've had no problem if the movie was 3 hours long, like it was originally intended. But they'll continue the story through the shows, obviously.

[@Ntwadumela89]

Parminder Singh true..but tbh I think this was the longest db movie ever

[@mandutumuch4480]

@@ezpzx1095 I hope so too

[@CanadianCrusader99]

"Dammit he's learning as he fights!" They did explain it.

[@West_760]

They should just give Alex his on show “Alex ruins everything”

[@privateuser9028]

I can see him having a channel talking about wine as he whines about movies

[@MPT1983]

Hes more objective, Joes a dbz fanboy.

[@West_760]

MPT1983 most reviews I’ve personally seen him in it’s always yea buuuut then shits on it not just DBZ

[@MPT1983]

@@West_760 Hes just not as easily impressed, he doest shit on movies just points out flaws more openly

[@Lil.Lon3Ly]

Why can't you listen to people's opinion and try to understand their view...

[@dantebravado2916]

Angry Joe's Broly and Kale fanfiction: Fifty Shades of Green

[@kalajel]

Chirai's skin is green. Coincidence? I think not!

[@gcircle]

Dear God. Broly and Kale? That would be some earth-shattering sex... _literally_

[@DragonballBlack]

Where the hell is the BADASS Seal of Approval?!

[@Amplifymagic]

BlackScape don’t think he gives those out for movies.

[@jason_5_player157]

Ikr

[@evo2500]

Amplify Magic yes he does he gave one to INFINITY War

[@deejaypoopoo7370]

paramount, viacom, nickelodeon, japantv, funimation, lions gate, EA, activision, bungie, AND atari all copyright tookdown his seal. so now it's just joe going "meh" but knowing those rich jews, they will somehow take this away from him too i'm pretty dern sure.

[@thejoker5755]

@@deejaypoopoo7370 wait how tf can they do something like that

[@Shadowproto17]

8:16 That's where I call bull shit. Goku did the same thing. and before people bring up. Oh, Goku trained his whole life SO DID BROLY. They straight up said that he trained most of his life and didnt even have any friends because his dad made him train. If you really want to think about it. he trained even more than Goku ,because Goku at least had some down time and have fun with his friends. But broly trained non stop for 40 years

[@aurawolf664]

Tru I think if they acknowledged the whole Legendary Super Saiyan concept in the movie instead of implying it, it would be easier to understand how things like instant transmission and Super Saiyan just seemingly came naturally to Broly while fighting.

[@cherrychocolate1434]

@@aurawolf664 ...Broly never used Instant Transmission. It's a common trope in Dragon Ball that characters can simply move faster than the eye can see and it makes it appear as if they're teleporting around, it happens all the time. And he had a super high base power level and watched his father, one of the only people he had any connection with, die in front of him. That's pretty much how Goku became a Super Saiyan, have a high power level and get super pissed off.

[@Fun4luve]

@@aurawolf664 i believe the move broly was using is called zanzoken (afterimage) or at the very least something similar to that

[@rottenmeatpuppet]

He trained more than Goku but Goku also fought way more powerful opponents than Broly ever has. A Saiyan's strength comes from the fact that the more battle experience they have and the closer they come to death the stronger they become. We see it with Vegeta when he drastically powers up twice on planet Namek. Goku also had access to better tech/bullshit to aid his training like the 100X gravity machine, the time chamber, and even had a godlike being as a training instructor. Broly's whole deal is he has an insane latent power inside of him and is able to use all the strength of the great ape in his human form even though he loses control of himself. It was actually a new form that I called Super great ape saiyan since we see his eyes turn gold. He was so used to fighting like that his body was able to actual retain knowledge on his opponent and learn on the fly to adapt and even power himself up to match his opponent's strength. I fucking loved this movie. I thought it had the biggest budget out of any other dragonball film and it showed. It is my favorite dragonball film so far and I love the first Broly film. Broly was kind of a dumb villain in the original but we get to see some real character development and motivations with him and his father. It is a totally different version of the character and one I am welcome to see as part of the canon in dragonball super.

[@chellejohnson9789]

Yeah, but Goku fought consistently tougher enemies and Broly just beat on the same animals over and over

[@bradcha5413]

The original Akira Toriyama script is 3 hours long. Its rumored if the show returns and they re-tell the broly movie in tv form they might use the 3 hour script.

[@SirIron23]

But you will trade a longer script for good animation

[@bradcha5413]

@@SirIron23 I love both

[@jase276]

The animation and art style will be nowhere near as good, though. Super blows ass.

[@Oyashio202]

@@SirIron23 We have the movie already. It's fine to see how the creator wanted it to be in an actual series like super.

[@AntoineB48]

If they do that like they did with the last two movies then the Broly arc is going to be longer and more in-depth

[@ghostlyrazgriz5228]

On the subject of Broly learning quickly. Goku did the same in dragonball. He learned the kamahamaha after only seeing it one time from Master Roschi. It's kinda canon that Saiyans instinctually learn stuff quickly.

[@jppain7321]

Vegeta learned how to sense ki, just by fighting/watching the Zfighters. Pretty sure it's just a plot tool, but at the very least its hella consistent.

[@patrikalos5301]

Techniques yes, but it took years of training for even Goku to develop his raw strength.

[@AlphaNinjaFTW1]

@@patrikalos5301 But goku was a weak LOW CLASS SAIYAN. Broly is a saiyan who rivaled the king of saiyans as a baby.

[@ProjectShinkai]

@@patrikalos5301 he was also born 5000 times weaker then broly. Literally.

[@ProjectShinkai]

@@AlphaNinjaFTW1 actually he was far ahead of the king. Or was 10k power level when he was sleeping

[@RoboticNarwhals]

I always hate watching these because Alex is never satisfied, he’s always complaining

[@jaimeeduardo5140]

He sucks

[@donovan1345]

@@ezpzx1095 Which is no way to watch a movie. Why watch a movie just to find the flaws and miss major plot points?

[@geercornuit9097]

In this one i disagree with almost anything he said

[@drefozz]

I agree Alex ruins this every fucking time for me

[@RoboticNarwhals]

Idk, I don’t wanna come off as a dick it’s just anytime I see him he’s always negative about whatever he just watched, this one just urced me because it’s dragon ball, something he said he knew little about yet he criticizes everything including a long fight scene.

[@supersaiyanfox9190]

Okay Alex clearly needs to go back and watch Dragon Ball Z because has he seen how long their fights have been?! He's complaining about a movie that had 30 minutes of fighting when literally we had Goku vs. Frieza, the longest anime fight in history! Plus the way Broly caught up to Goku and Vegeta was way more realistic than the powerscaling with Kale and Caulifla, and how they somehow were able to compete with Goku! Broly was getting knocked back by Goku and Vegeta, but because of his incredible, increasing power level, he was able to learn and grow as he kept fighting! And his Super Saiyan transformation was earned because he raged after seeing his dad die! Rage triggers the Super Saiyan transformation! Go ahead and talk about how Broly's power was unearned because of how little time it took for him to get so strong, but at least they actually did take some time developing his power! It was shown in the backstory and fighting! With Kale and Caulifla however, they took no time whatsoever developing their power! For the Super Saiyan transformation, rage was replaced with tingle in backs, and despite no understanding of what kind of training they went through, they somehow were able to compete with God Saiyans!

[@MattGarZero]

You couldn't even destroy Namek in this movie's run time.

[@Cloudx0x]

Dude.. Honestly, I don't agree with you on the Kale and Caulifla part. U6 Saiyans are naturally strong and have more potential than U7 Saiyans. Them catch up in the tournament was realistic. Plus, them somewhat and almost overpowering Kakarot was simply 2 reason. Reason #1 and the biggest reason was that he was in a weakened state. Fighting on low energy. Base Kakarot fought off a ssj Caulifla. In a weakened stare mind you not. Yeah he was doing good against them but he was still weakened. So it's understandable that they could stand against him. Kakarot was the one with the absurd power boost. He went from Being Ssb against Kale their first fight to ssj2 in a weakened state with an even stronger Kale and holding his own against two saiyans. So honestly, the shit with Kale and Caulifla was very reasonable. Was in a weakened state going against their fusion Also. If he was back up to full power, he would've shat on them. Literally.

[@clapointe151]

@@Cloudx0x when you heard that u6 sayain are stronger? Because i follow one of the biggest fan in france( yes im french) and he speak japanese! And he said power scaling of kale and the other are broken! " but masako said" yes he said but it was a THEORIE!!! Like a guess! Or a non official explanation!

[@Cloudx0x]

@@clapointe151 I never said they were stronger than Kakarot. They just have more potential.

[@clapointe151]

@@Cloudx0x ok then why have they more potential

[@OnlyRoke]

I also argue that Broly being this powerful isn't unearned. The character itself was written as a prodigy so powerful that King Vegeta was like "uhh.. no." and on top of that he grows up on this desert planet. That isn't just Tarzan. That is Conan. He's probably been fighting for his actual survival every single day for thirty years or something. I totally buy a legendary Saiyan prodigy being raised in fucking squalor on a shitty rock planet being a serious menace. The kid has no fighting style, but he has raw and unbridled Oozaru power pretty much constantly throughout the fight. He's not just going SSJ or even LSSJ. He's souped up by Oozaru aka the thing so dangerous that Vegeta and Goku willingly removed their tails so they wouldn't turn into giant monster apes. That form is POWERFUL. So you've got an immensely powerful ape form combined with being a legendary prodigy AND you lived your entire life on a shit planet AND you are just going all-out rage mode with no thought in your head? Yeah you're gonna pummel somebody like Goku even at his highest form. And the series itself even delivers a nice insight why that is. Oozaru doesn't think. Oozaru acts on instinct in fights like an animal, but it's giant and clumsy. This is Oozaru but small and he doesn't think, but he relies on his instinct. Yeah, that kind of power can be compared to Ultra Instinct in my eyes. Ultra Instinct's main benefit is after all that you stop THINKING about your moves and you just do them. That's the reason why Goku is so silent as UI Goku against Jiren. He doesn't shit talk, he rarely grunts, he is fully concentrated and basically flows into the fight with no thought and just pure instinct. Oozaru is that, but it's also giant and clumsy and destructive and mad. But Broly manages to leave out the giant and clumsy part.

[@Oxes]

couldn't have said it better !

[@biowepcosmic]

try living on bug world for 41 fucken years.

[@darrriusrogers1675]

One thing tho vegeta can control his great ape transformation

[@rinneganitachi4840]

yeah but Ultra Instinct is to much for Broly...its amaizing that hes stronger than ssj blue...now if Broly goes ssj blue then his opponents better bring an extra pair of underware to the fight

[@fuzzyhair321]

In the tournament of power legendary super sayian was equal to blue, especially fusion version was even greater. Took ultra instinct Goku to win

[@ssjkillluah5935]

Lol 30 minute fight compared to fkn 45 episode fights lmao, part of me doesn’t think he has ever seen dragon ball in general

[@Goldengolfer330]

Broly is a bro now.

[@Incog2k6]

BROly :P

[@whyFreezer]

I don't hate Alex for giving his opinion, even if it turns out to be unpopular. So long as the opinion is explained. Keep up the good work guys.

[@buttons551]

Of all the reviews I've seen him in, his opinion is so negative of the movies he's watched.

[@khaoscero]

@@buttons551 its called being critical. He is not answering the question: was this fun to you? He is asking what are the objective merits, techniques and craftsmanship at work in this script.

[@funnyvalentine6670]

I dont like him.

[@buttons551]

@@khaoscero I have never once seen this man say anything positive about anything.

[@kcx-kx8qd]

@@buttons551 only when the bitch dick rides Marvel

[@sgr_sean]

I feel as if this guy didnt pay attention. Like broly wasnt some nobody, he was already born powerful. The whole point is that his power would drive him mad, because of how it built up so quickly. Add the fact he wasnt ever civilized. Was used by his dad to be a tool for his revenge, who kept giving him shock therapy, traumatizing him. And his ascension in power made sense. Its not that hes way more powerful than goku cause well goku still had ultra instinct Its more that they could not put broly down, even by the end where they completely kick his ass, he just kept getting more powerful, he just had no limit, but eventually he was just outmatched like how hulk was vs thanos, all that power wont protect him forever. Which is why broly loses in the end had the dragonballs not saved him

[@Jordan-ih5bo]

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[@crmac135]

Only thing I gotta interject is that UI is a technique not a power boost. It was bad ass when Goku tried going ui off the bat

[@absolutelynologic8099]

BuggersTV I don’t think he tried to go UI, I think breaking through Broly’s power that was encapsulating him nearly made him go into it. However he doesn’t remember how to use UI, if you’ll remember the final episode of super he says he can’t use it anymore. If Goku used that ssb kaioken Broky might’ve gotten his cheeks slapped. Then again gogeta had to use ssb so probably not.

[@crmac135]

@@absolutelynologic8099 oh I thought I saw something when he was turning blue cause his eyes were going grey and dark aura and shit was erupting around him but he couldn't get there again so he went blue if he went blue kaioken broke would've went ssj4 with all those zenkai boosts lol

[@FireBomberBassist]

Broly was a freak of nature. His power, Its un earned because he was born that strong. He had a monster powerlevel at birth. -spoiler bellow- Broly went even further, out of control and gaining a monster power boost after Frieza killed his dad. It made sense to me. Brolys power is untapped and raw. He still doesnt know what he’s doing in the way Goku and Vegeta do.

[@mongooseunleashed]

Oh you mean when he went SUPER SAIYAN!!!

[@hurrhurrmurr]

You can also see it when Goku and Broly are fighting for the first time in the movie. Goku's movements are controlled whereas Broly is pure rage.

[@Y0G0FU]

shh Broly fanboys dont like Logic. :D But i am on your side.. Brolys Power and combat prowess was bullshit.. 2 Martial Art geniuses vs someone who never had a real fighter to train with. Fuck ya @SusBusGaming

[@dixen9116]

SusBusGaming I mean you could tell Goku and Vegeta weren’t fighting like in ToP, it just seemed like they were testing Broly’s limits while also getting their asses kicked at the start.

[@Marv1089]

So what you’re saying is, Broly’s power...IS MAXIMUMER.

[@gtafan110010]

To give a fair counterpoint to Alex. Broly didn't beat Goku and Vegeta because of training or needing training. He isn't a better fighter than them, not at any point whatsoever during the film. Broly was BORN stronger and with greater potential than anyone. The film adresses that. That also means, because transformations are multipliers, that if his base is stronger, his transformed power will be too. Broly beat Goku and Vegeta with raw strength, not technique. And i think that the movie actually portrays that VERY well. Broly runs around, throws goku into the environment, throws punches and energy balls wildly. It's the kind of fighting a berserker WOULD do. Doesn't matter if goku and vegeta have better technique if those don't harm Broly.

[@DragonoftheDarknessFlame]

I hope you people stop shitting on Kale and Caulfla. Both of them had a fuck ton more fighting experience than Broly but here I see everyone making excuses for Broly a dude who never got into a real fight and punked God Goku

[@captaincap4931]

@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame so he gets more props, cale is product placement and caulifla is annoying, cabba learned ssj first and for no reason at all the both of them shits on him. It's stupid.

[@DragonoftheDarknessFlame]

@@captaincap4931 Nah keep that same energy for Broly baised ass Dragon Ball community.. Literally in the first real Super arc they said U6 and U7 are not only mirrors but U6 saiyans were stronger at their point compared to U7 meaning naturally Caulfla and Kale would be strong but they weren't as strong as Broly and they have combat experience. Also Cabba is more akin to Vegeta, Caulifla is more akin to Goku, and Kale is more akin to Broly and Caulifla was established as a protege from the jump. You people had 0 issues with Trunks and Goten turning SSJ or any of the bullshit in Super but as soon as 2 female saiyans step on the scene you people start REEEEing about them

[@captaincap4931]

@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame that's not the point, and never was it stated U6 saiyans were stronger so throw that fucking head cannon nonsense in the trash, I said it was fucking retarded how cabba got it first, and they fucking fly past him by going lssj and ssj2 , nobody's talking about them being females, I was hyped until I realized they were fucking annoying so foh.

[@violentpcfst]

they had more experience but at no point was kale noted as a prodigy. she wasnt born with some obsurd power level at birth like broly was this being one of the key aspects of brolys lore, is he was born with something like a 10,000 power level. BORN stronger then goku's base form was during his first fight vs vegeta. were as kale is shown in the anime (not the manga) as a emotionally frail girl who somehow becomes female broly out of literaly know where. and caulfla just gains super saiyan from nothing. i liked there characters in the actual tourny of power. her getting stronger as she fought goku but eventually capping out to the point she had to fuse because he was just that much more experienced was really good. but she turned super sayian the first time simply because she wanted too..which made no sense in a universe that hasnt seen super saiyans seemingly ever. if they had simply gone the "i already knew how to go super saiyan" route id think most people wouldnt look down on her. but they trivialized the transformation MORE then goten and trunks did (because atleast they had parents who became super saiyans or were at the time). then they turned kale into OP god mode (which she mastered in less then 20 minutes in universe...despite not being shown as being a prodigy or a genius fighter) broly at the very least explains his power more, hes the prodigy of prodigys. hes bascially another goku but born as a ultra high class warrior broly is what goku would of been had he been born stronger. which is logical kale and caulfla dont really have any of that in super. theyre introduced quickly to push the story along caulfla is refered to as a genius, but kale (the actual female broly) just so happend to be super strong. yet she masters her rage form in less time then it took goku to master ultra instinct. with goku hes been shown that hes expectional, time and time again. theres alot of story to prove this. yet kale, was shown as being frail and afraid. i mean she turned super saiyan simply because she felt useless (not a bad reason tbh, better then Caulfla) yet she masters this rage form. by magic i guess all of this being said, fighting experience =/= power. kale and caulfla def had more fighting experience then broly (somthings better then nothing), neither of them really had that much this is why goku was able to take on both K and C despite the massive power difference. (also cabba is introduced as one of if not THE best saiyans in universe 6...then they go on to show caulfla is far better. so why didnt beerus's brother take HER instead of cabba to the U6 vs U7 tourny.)

[@michaelwilliam4513]

This movie was Absolutely perfect..These Fight scenes legitimately gave me goosebumps..Absolutely amazing movie, And I actually started sympathizing with broly...

[@colinhoeg4728]

@michael William church bro.

@Zulhazwan Hamzah bro its decent at best shit was all over the place dude Is nothing like a saiyan at all u miss the 90's broly is presence was known

[@itza8334]

This movie action was great. The story and plot is absolute trash and straight up pandering. Toriyama most def has Alzheimer’s because this is not the DBZ I grew up with

[@theargentino4245]

@@itza8334 THat's the idea. The dragon Ball you grew with, I grew with, and we all grew with wouldn't work just like it did in the 90's. The world of manga and anime evolved and so has to do Dragon Ball. IF the show never ended and kept going, it could have worked, but no. The show stopped and other manga/anime showed how that formula could have been improved. Period.

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

@@itza8334 bro how is it trash… it’s paper thin like it’s supposed to for a character like Broly… it’s not a Shakespearean piece. Have you seen the original Broly movie? This one’s even better and people love the original

[@deathdude42]

i am completely unable to separate my fanboy love from my critical thinking so i say Alex is wrong and does not understand what makes Dragonball good.

[@sython135]

Absolutely agreed.

[@acethealien4863]

He he’s just an og Broly fanboy.

[@NeroWalker]

I'm a fan boy also but damn it's crazy how much people are giving this a major pass.. there was plenty of bad cgi and animation and background moments still good animation but plenty of wtf this is cheap animation looking.. and don't say there wasn't every while I noticed a few bad moments

[@ejpadilla4238]

daniel cheyne The only time there was “bad” 2D animation was during funny scenes for a comical effect, like when Vegeta is mimicking the fusion dance, or characters that are very far and not in the center of the screen, you clown.

[@ejpadilla4238]

chunkycake101 The fucking idiot had to take a second to remember that the Fusion Reborn movie wasn’t canon, and even called Turles Vegeta’s brother. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

[@EsotericSanity]

Broly is the child of destiny, the chosen one. If he grew up with the Saiyans, freeza and beerus would have been killed. Their scheming to prevent this was countered by Vegeta's exiling of him, which saved him. Goku was basically the backup child of destiny, who never would have went to earth, fight freeza and become a super Saiyan.

[@plumbussmith]

Why let a non fan dictate the discussion?

[@alphaleonis6252]

because both a fan and non-fan are needed so the review is fare

[@plumbussmith]

@@alphaleonis6252 yes but this movie is in an established universe with a continuity. Yeah get his opinion on whether he enjoyed it or not, but don't let him critique something he doesn't understand. Some of his gripes were addressed either in the film, or the set ups from super.

[@plumbussmith]

@Pinkaugust damn. I'm gonna have to strongly disagree which you can already guess. I've been a fan for over 20 years too and thought it was awesome. What didn't you like?

[@plumbussmith]

@Pinkaugust i get what you're saying about the goku looking older when sent off thing, but I thought your other gripes were positives. Broly was more fleshed out as a character and not a one note guy. Saiyan culture was more fleshed out too. Broly and bardock are finally canon. Frieza thing made it fun and in line with his experiences. Broly still the legendary saiyan so things can be explained with that and living on a hellish planet. SSG was a thing before this movie. I don't think broly will totally be a good guy, foreshadowed frieza will try to manipulate him again. Yeah maybe vegeta should have cared about his father more but I don't think he cared about anyone except himself till he met bulma and started a family. Anyway, this isn't a debate, rather just an exchange of opinions. Hopefully you can still enjoy the db world after this.

[@plumbussmith]

@Pinkaugust i said i agree vegeta should have cared, he was a kid at the moment and didn't know they were killed by frieza yet. They were told it was an asteroid so no avenging needed yet. Also I don't prefer super to db or dbz, I just enjoyed this movie. Whining about a character not being exactly like a non canon version is useless. They only made minor changes to broly. We can agree to disagree, but don't come off like I'm no fan or don't get the characters.

[@LagunaLeonhart]

Something I think you missed Joe; The nuances in each super saiyan form fighting style. They're all slightly different in the way Vegeta and Goku fight. Some of it is down to the fact there always initially much more powerful than Broly when transformed but Broly swiftly catches up. They start to struggle and transform further. There's a larger difference in SSG though. Both Vegeta and especially Goku seem MUCH more composed. Think Neo at the end of the first Matrix movie. It looked like Goku was doing Tai-chi.. like a more peaceful enlightenined fighting style. I loved this element and I don't think it got enough credit.

[@genshinsage]

Yeah you are right. Goku changed his fighting style with every form. It just shows how much of a martial artist genius Goku is.

[@Mizoturi]

old Broly was garbage, his movies were garbage, his motivation and character arc were garbage, this is 10000X better

[@Astrothunder_]

He was only garbage from a critic standpoint though. We can all agree that there was no character development or even a good enough reason to why he hated goku. HOWEVER, Broly was not garbage. He was such a badass that he carried the movie (besides the trash ending of the fight) and had me and my friends as a kid love it.

[@BaconNCereal]

Not really he was a villain there was no need for him to be relatable when he was clearly a psychopath.

[@shubhamvyas3192]

taylor kxng he sure was a badass but this new Broly is very relatable and can join Z fighters as well in my opinion. Not only that, three hours of script was reduced to 1 hour 40 mins so there was more to Broly which had to be cut down.

[@maleficking6556]

Old Broly was a basic, plank of a villain. In a world of unique and interesting villains, Broly is just generic by comparison. Which is why Super Broly is better, they went beyond making him a "villain of the week" character.

[@Mizoturi]

Justin Y. Come at me with facts or get the fuck out, pussy

[@MrLegatoblue]

This guy: I’m a huge DBZ fan ...goes on to get tons of facts wrong and doesn’t pay attention to the movie

[@OverlordZephyros]

Please God of dragon Ball Forgive Alex... for he does not know what he says 🙏 🤣

[@CBonduMiel]

Beerus will Hakai him, so you won't have to pray for long 😂 gods do not telerate heresy

[@Ace-jb6gi]

You're praying to Dende.

[@CommunistHydra]

Lord Zephyros Perfect

[@danielkjm]

Or maybe you are the one that is Blind...

[@udamangaming7145]

Xeno is getting ready to erase him now

[@MrXleprechaunx]

when goku trolled frieza by leading broly into him...i literally lol'd.

[@SaiyanOfLegends]

Forgive him, forgive him. I apologize lol

[@AbirZenith]

I get why Joe apologized, it was such a weird complaint for a Dragon Ball movie

[@jezzystevo2747]

I actually agree a little bit. It was so nice seeing the characters and getting some story, that the extra long fights felt a little too long. Just because I wanted more of the world lol.

[@hunterjensen8950]

Steve Valle the fights weren’t long enough tbh

[@microblast3700]

The over the top long fights its the entire point of dbz lmao

[@jezzystevo2747]

@@microblast3700 The fights were insane. However, like I said, I was enjoying the stories and other characters so much that I wish there was more time spent on that. I wouldnt have cared about the long fights if the movie was longer too.

[@coreybradley8540]

angry joe ➕ other joe ⚌ another joe

[@serge2cool]

No. It equals SUPER SAIYAN Joe!

[@Mr6ixmusic]

FU-SION-JOE!

[@serge2cool]

@@Mr6ixmusic ha! It works!

[@Zee-bx4ns]

Jojito

[@roberte.o.speedwagon6043]

Jogeta

[@piccoloatburgerking]

This was a better Broly in my opinion.

[@bzchii7474]

Yes! He actually had a way better character and backstory this time.

[@Blue-qi4tl]

Although old Broly had a better soundtrack. I love Blizzard but considering there was no theme drop like in Battle of Gods... Missed opportunity

[@maleficking6556]

@@Blue-qi4tl The songs "Kakarot vs Broly" and "Broly vs Gogeta" fit the bill for me good enough.

[@kelbyrock7041]

old Broly had more potential.

[@anthonydavis4092]

Agree too bad the movie sucked

[@barronstormblade4552]

id have to say your wrong about that 36:00 because goku learned the kamehameha just by seeing it once

[@KazDX]

That ending send off with AJ kinda hinting about something and the way Alex was looking at him... Gets me thinking if we'll about to see more of the future board game there developing later.

[@shantiboomj]

The Universal Fighting System! Set 1 was Street fighter, I forgot what set 2 was supposed to be, but set 3 was DB; I'm thinking they moved DB to set 2 and we will see it very soon

[@Trickymasterfox]

@@shantiboomj the other set was suppose to be Mortal Kombat if I'm not mistaken

[@RasenRendanX]

GO BROLY!! GO BROLY!! GO BROLY!! GO-GE-TA!! GO-GET-TA!! GO-GE-TA!!

[@Azol570]

worst part of the movie for me. took me out of the movie so hard

[@Neo-wc4zg]

am i the only one that absolutely LOVES this part?

[@ThatsOk83]

@@Azol570 It's not that bad but yeah I disliked it too

[@anthonyargueta131]

@@Azol570 I rlly liked the song it grew on me LOL

[@Danny-yo8kp]

I thought this was awesome

[@Sir.Veresta]

THE SONG WITH THE CHANTING WAS THE BEST PART! it was like a wwe announcement thing.

[@ForneverWorld]

Was looking forward to this one Joe

[@Bawks_FEET]

Eyyyyy big ups

[@JGOON32]

Wassup fornever

[@kingofsapi]

Yo Fornever! You going to come up with your own review too? :D Edit: Okay nevermind, just saw the new vids on your channel, will check them out soon!

[@opszanski]

Hey Fornever . . . . . . Superman beats Goku

[@proudliberal5050]

Shut up you're ugly

[@jesselewis9748]

I don't think Alex seems to understand that Broly is basically the Hulk of Dragon ball

[@jesselewis9748]

@Merciless Freak Think about it this way. Thor is literally the GOD OF THUNDER! and has trained for most his life to be an elite fighter whereas the Hulk is just a big angry green monster that just fucks everyone up in the same way Broly does

[@jeffy1680]

Merciless Freak have you watched the top arc?

[@Potato_n_Tomato]

He kinda wasn't that much in the original film tho, he was more like the juggernaut. In the original while lssj he was a sadistic shit talker. The new one he's feral. Old Broly is kinda like SSJ2 Gohan personality wise. New one is Hulk/Start of Z Gohan

[@UPLAYTHATGAME]

What is that supposed to mean? Last time i checked hulk didnt have a good movie, and his character is meh af.

[@NSFSponsor]

@@UPLAYTHATGAME "Hulk is meh" OK stop projecting your opinions. Broly is literally knockoff Hulk.

[@mattfcruz52]

Of course Alex doesn't like it...

[@jalenbuckner2915]

He's a hard guy to please. He literally said minus 3 for bad CG. Cant tell if he was joking or not, but based on how he is he probably wasn't. It's cool to have a different opinion, but sometimes it feels like he has issues with things that aren't as big a deal as he makes them out to be

[@eldasd.4631]

no he like it, he even say he like this movie

[@IKIGAIofficial]

He said he enjoyed it..

[@seawolf888]

@@SonGokuuuuuuu shhh if its not 8 or above its trash for these ppl :p

[@spaghettiioassassin8151]

Well he’s not a dumbass blind fanboy that sucks the dick of every DB entry.

[@karandev9316]

I just watched the movie and the first thing I wanted to do was come here and clear a couple of things out which people might have missed due to the insanely fast action. Broly, as stated numerous times, is a fighting prodigy. A Legend among Legends. The creators are taking the basis of Broly from his first movie and are incorporating it into this one. Hence, they saved cost which could have been burned up into creating a battle montage. The second point being, when Broly was first introduced, the power scales had not reached the crazy heights we are used to now, so, I can understand how people may find it weird. Essentially, we just need to remember that Broly has a latent potential which he just tapped in during the film. Like Gohan and his famous ssj2 transformation or Goku going into Ultra Instinct. the last point I wanted to make is the fact that Broly never had an upper hand in terms of skills and technique. Vegeta and especially Goku showed his mastery over various martial arts during the entire length of the movie. Some of them were even so subtle, I had to rewind the fight to get a clearer look. It's so good to have his characters go back to its goofy roots. but, yeah..that's all about it. The story sometimes is subpar (which may have turned this way because Toei wanted this one to appeal to both, Western as well as the Japanese audience) but the fight sequences, animation, and characters are extremely likable.

[@ArcDragoon]

Actually... for Alex, the reason why the last third of the film was just a giant fight scene was because it was development for Broly. It was to literally bring him up to speed to show how much of a fighting prodigy Broly was. Is it unearned? Yes. Because he is meant to be unearned, pure untapped potential. On the "Bad CG", I would say that it is "Obvious CG". It did not mesh well at some points.

[@ihateflatbunz]

idk if we can say unearned black was doing the same thing to keep him on par in the saga.The days of dragged out progress are gone.

[@93bendzsi]

That's the whole point of Broly and always has been, he's naturally gifted to be strong, and this is what King Vegeta wanted his son to be like and Vegeta did live his life with this mentality. There's no point asking for a training montage for Broly.

[@shadowskill111]

The DB Super manga has started the post tournament of power arc.

[@TalibKweli882]

Shadowskill11 how has that been

[@thebadburrito1394]

Talib Kweli the first two chapters of it are far better than the entirety of the DBS manga arcs before it.

[@kpando4952]

@@thebadburrito1394 yeah, a space trooper fucks vegeta and now they are figthing a goat. great.

[@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv]

The Bad Burrito That is because Toriyama hinself is on hands to guide Toyotaro this time.

[@Littleguy272]

Frieza killed his father that's how he went super and Frieza knew that would happen bcuz of planet namek wen he killed Krillin........... Fans my ass

[@EternalStorm796]

Frieza didn't kill Paragus. He was hit by a stray energy blast. Didn't *you* watch the movie? Lol

[@hgetgbg2e1f]

@@EternalStorm796 Woosh

[@EternalStorm796]

@@hgetgbg2e1f what.

[@hgetgbg2e1f]

Freeza killed him

[@EternalStorm796]

Lol

[@domthapotato]

They keep calling it a trilogy of movies but it’s not a direct sequel Resurrection F it’s like the next arc in the anime

[@Hamlock_]

You could watch it right after Resurrection F and you'd understand everything.

[@domthapotato]

Hamlock no you wouldn’t if you never super and only the movies then you wouldn’t know what the tournament of power is and why Frieza is alive again or why Beerus and whis are still with Goku and Vegeta and Vilma can stand up to him

[@ejpadilla4238]

Hamlock No the fuck you wouldn’t. Are you a fucking clown? And even still, it’s not a trilogy. He’s wrong.

[@Shoddragon]

there seems to be confusion here: Broly is stated to be a MUTANT which is why he's so strong. the "legendary ssj" nonsense was abandoned for the movie outright in favor of just making him a genetic mutation. it's a subtle throwback to the Ginyu force only being strong because they were all mutants, King Cold's family only being strong because they are mutants, Gohan+goten+Trunks because they are genetically saiyajin/human hybrids, etc. it's definitely something that isn't gonna be totally understood by someone who doesn't follow the series or by someone who never reads the manga. it's important to remember that this was written mostly by Toriyama who bases his work off the DBS manga, DBZ manga and the canon movies (battle of gods, resurrection of F, etc). While Broly's power seems unearned, that is the point. he's a mutant who is extremely powerful AND can tap into the power of an Oozaru without transforming as a result. His unearned power is introduced at the cost of little experience with fighting and no traditional martial arts training. a lot of the times during the fights, Broly gets sidestepped, his punches deflected, gets flung all over the place, gets caught in Goku's God Ki trap, etc. Him turning into a super saiyajin also wasn't out of nowhere, rage is a known factor in transforming. Freeza even remembers the death of Krillin triggering Goku's first powerup.

[@ShadohMasta]

Shoddragon woah there. Broly is not a Mutant. No one describes Broly as a mutant. Broly’s latent power is detrimental on a global scale. That’s why he was exiled. Broly is one of the most powerful sayians to ever exist. King Vegeta feared this, not only cause of his pride but because Broly seemed to be a danger to everyone around him.

[@sionfranklin1139]

@@ShadohMasta the sub says mutant

[@iEnjoyiVideos]

@ShadohMasta: King Vegeta literally calls him a freak. Freak also relates to mutants which is canon to how Frieza is how strong he is even though he 'never trained a day in [his] life'. There are mutants that are quite literally just freaks of nature and happen to be strong. Doesn't mean that Broly isn't a mutant.

[@TheSwooj]

Shoddragon But he didn’t base this off the dbs manga. He based it off his notes and outline that he left Toei and Toyotaro

[@Shoddragon]

-broly is officially a mutant. even the wiki confirms this. it's possible the dub fucked up the dialogue, AGAIN. But the original japanese says mutant. - the outline for this movie specifically draws from the manga as Goku+ Vegeta use perfected SSJ Blue instead of their anime specific forms. the fact that there was also no mention of "beyond blue" and "ssj blue kaioken" also confirms this. - it's not a weak excuse. Toriyama's official, stated response for Freeza being so strong is that he was a mutant (alongside his dad). it took Goku raising his power from the humble ~350 he had in base against raditz to about 150,000,000 in SSJ1 after training with kaioo, training in 100x normal gravity AND several zenkais in order to finally take down Freeza originally. The Ginyu Force, most of whom were casually dicking down Vegeta, were also Mutants. Cell was genetically engineered and was able to briefly contend with Kamiccolo after only absorbing some humans in Ginger Town. The series has precedence for genetics, especially when it comes to genetic mutants or purposefully alterations, making people extremely powerful.

[@jungoogie]

This movie was meant for the fans and not some shmucks and I will say it delivered. The character development that Broly got was needed and I'm glad they took a different angle than a simple Goku voice that makes him go psycho. First movie was a classic but this Broly seemed more relatable and god damn that 30 minute fight was like 20 DBZ episodes packed into one without the staring contest.

[@abexx8485]

The movie was straight trash.

[@mikeasmussen7548]

@@abexx8485 pretty fucking useless comment if that's all you can reply with to someone who actually explains their opinion.

[@ZarChasmOfficial]

@@mikeasmussen7548 ik he's saying the same thing just to upset anyone with an opinion

[@lightning6778]

Abel Rojas ok so are you going to provide any constructive or valid criticism to support your point about this movie being trash?Oh wait you won’t because you don’t have any.

They turned him into a timid little bitch the old broly wouldve killed everybody and talked shit while he did he was a true saiyan this guy just reminds me of timid grizzle bear wheres the saiyan pride tht old broly had dude destroyed half the galaxy

[@notorioushkm97]

Why does Alex have to be "That Guy" in almost every Review! Its like if the Movie wasn't Perfect I'm gonna Shit on it even if I Really Enjoyed it! SMH! 😐😐

[@ElPsyKongroo]

Hes the devils advocate man. I think it's healthy for the show to make sure Joe and other Joe don't overhype their beloved franchises. He is a downer sometimes but it's the cost of affective criticism.

[@davidfrber2005]

He bitches about everything, he's the type of guy that will follow any trend that only hates on everything

[@dw3134]

God forbid someone have an opinion 🙂

[@jalenbuckner2915]

@Darkness Fallss Joe didnt really fanboy though he pointed out flaws as well, Alex just had a different opinion. Though it does sometimes seem like he tries real hard to find any little thing he can use to try and tear something apart

[@notorioushkm97]

@@dw3134 I don't mind him having an opinion but Alex is almost always the one to Suck Out All the Fun from even Great Movies! He's Like Cinema Sins in Person! He really Emphasizes the Negatives of Any Movie to the point he just comes off as a Hater and being Overly Nitpicky! It Annoys the shit out of me! But when he talks about Bad Movies he's very enjoyable to watch.

[@Gunner3332]

Pretty much at 6:30 Joe:okay fine Alex give your opinion Alex:well the fight Sce- Joe:LIAR!!!!

[@quarreneverett4767]

The thing about "super" its being done by fan fiction writers and stuff that i used to read as a kid. Also this is a movie drawn out things especially where it isnt needed in a movie can impact a movie. Only main thing Toriyama anymore is that its based on his "creation"

[@bureikusaikusu]

Quarren Everett Well Toriyama wrote a lot of the script for this movie, he was heavily involved unlike the actual DBS series

[@numpty94]

I burst out laughing on that part 😂

[@OilFreeFeathers]

@@bureikusaikusu That doesn't matter when he's beeing pressured by Toei and other entities to push the "Super" brand as much as possible. You need to understand that the "real" Dragon Ball has been over for decades, and Super is part of a merchandising scheme aimed at the Naruto generation.

[@bureikusaikusu]

Donor of Ruffled Feathers Oh I understand that, Toriyama hasn’t had interest in the series since the 90s

[@KyubiCloaks]

The original broly fight wasnt 3 on one. It was 5 vs one. Vegeta has never seen the dance himself i dont think. And broly was originally killed by a punch infused with the energy of all 5 into one. Like so joe can see

[@justinkofndream]

The only time Vegeta would have seen it was when he was inside buu and the fake goten and trunks did it

[@3dmaster205]

@@justinkofndream And when he was given a body by King Enma and the he and the King kept watch on Earth events from there.

[@ZILLAprod]

Broly doesn't just "learn how to go Super Saiyan", it's shown in the movie that the whole point is that if you strike a nerve of a Saiyan they'll go Super Saiyan through anger (forgive me if I'm wrong), but Frieza killed Krillin and that's why Goku went Super Saiyan once because Krillin was his friend. So Frieza gets an idea and kills Paragus, Broly's father, and that's why he goes Super Saiyan. Although Paragus was a terrible father, he's the only person Broly grew attached too and loved, so when he was killed he went Super Saiyan, not to mention Frieza lies and says that it was a stray energy blast, so in Broly's head he thinks it's his fault. Also Broly learned how to fight as he fought (Vegeta even says this in the movie) Broly is an adaptive fighter, he's also the legendary Super Saiyan, so this makes even more since, and he also loses all of his senses like a Great Ape, he loses control and that's why he can't stop fighting, he's like the Hulk, he's fueled with absolute rage and just goes... Apeshit.

[@jax6815]

They were almost training him while fighting like while vegeta is fighting him he is blocking and just pissing him off

[@TheKakuchu]

Nah Vegeta has and will ALWAYS toy with his opponents just like he did with golden freiza in RF. He even gets bored of Broly and tried to kill him Goku even begged him not to do it and he did anyway. He was literally no one to him. XD Smug was on his face the whole time.

[@TheKakuchu]

@@brando3342 no in DUB I'm he only says he's learning as he fights and that he must learn how to use his "power". Thats it man I've watched it like 3 times.

[@CaptainChurrr]

So what does Alex think of hulk fighting? Because hulk is broly

[@elhomiederp]

*Broly is hulk

[@zaystro2915]

Your question doesn't make sense.

[@MrBlackatheist]

@@zaystro2915 what he saying is Broly is basically Dragonball version of Hulk

[@jesselattanzio974]

@Chris Paladines on the basis his power came from rage/anger .......like the hulk...

[@dominiqueminor8039]

Hulk was made decades before Broly and is actually two people but sure.

[@lewmack670]

broly his dbz version of hulk, hulk dont need to train to get stronger he just need to get mad im sure alex is ok with marvel doing that

[@GonKillua85]

Exactly. Its literally the same thing.

[@hecetewest5411]

A Kid nah

[@mandutumuch4480]

Exactly but with training he'd be like world war hulk

[@patricksheehan43]

Yeah but hulk also lost to thanos. He didnt just instantly learn to be a better fighter and grow more powerful for no reason, he lost. This movie was basically the same as that situation where hulk just instantly becomes a professional fighter and somehow bests one of the strongest beings in the universe. It doesnt happen.

[@Shazasterforever1]

Finally someone said it

[@albinusclark9561]

I FORGIVE ALEX. I was feeling the same way as AngryJoe LOL.

[@barneytarttelin7776]

Alex, welcome. you are officially the 1st person on my hit list 😂

[@Ashen_Hollow]

I somehow dodged all the spoilers and this movie was insane, felt like a kid again, loved this Broly.

[@rayzermaniac5218]

They were not fighting for no reason. Paragus had raised Broly to get revenge on King Vegeta and has raised him to be a ruthless warrior on demand. So thats why Broly fought Vegeta. Goku, and saiyans in general love to fight. Its an established fact since early DBZ lore. So thats why Goku wanted to fight broly. They could feel this guys energy on Freezas ship. Eventually Brolys power, gained via the Oozaru power up plus Broly being the legendary "Pure" Super Saiyan, IE the one saiyan with green hair so much stronger than normal Super saiyans (Kale went toe to toe with SSB Goku) so this is another established fact, it takes over him and he sort of rampages. So he is just going to fight anything. I know they didnt explain it too well but this green form of Super Saiyan was already set up via Kale as being so much stronger and able to take on the god forms. Broly eventually gets Super Saiyan because Paragus died. He didnt get the form by accident.

[@EternalStorm796]

"Fighting for no reason" Sounds like my dad, who dislikes anime.

[@SapiaNt0mata]

Kale went toe to toe with SSB Goku? no, she didn't. when Kale transforms for the first time in the tournament and you see her beating Goku, when their fight ends Goku has not even the slightest scratch. she did absolute shit to him. after the 1st Goku vs Jiren fight, when Goku fights both Kale(with the controlled transformation) and Caulifla they can't beat him even though he is in SSG form plus he was weakened and exhausted from his fight with Jiren. Goku took in the face Kale's blast attack(when the female pride trooper traps Kale in another dimension she destroyed it so her ki blasts are very strong) and his basic ki blast destroyed her strongest blast ki blast without effort. not to mention that Jiren defeated Kale with 1 attack without getting serious and he fights vs Goku while he is serious.

[@Rommulo35628]

Thank god Joe was there to defend this movie as it deserves

[@crmac135]

He was defending Alex lol. He didn't know why broly turned ssj, he thinks chile "knows things", he didn't know why he was on par with Goku and Vegeta, he just shouldn't have made this video w/o everything to talk about

[@SirIron23]

@@crmac135 but he was attacking alex as well. with the fighting and animation just the overall purpose of db

[@Manny1222]

"They are floating through space for no reason?" - Alex It was supposed to be ridiculous and they broke the reality. Seriously Alex. I'm pretty sure that just because you don't like the art style they used, it doesn't mean it was "bad" CGI because there are plenty examples of bad CGI - this was not one of them.

[@bennogb5069]

They literally smashed the 3rd Dimension in the movie. It was fucking amazing

[@matsurivirus1814]

He didn't like the art style? Wow that's so stupid.

[@Manny1222]

@@matsurivirus1814 i love you

[@matsurivirus1814]

@@Manny1222 Thanks man I appreciate it!

[@nunyabidness8281]

Nah that art design was trash

[@NahualUlloa]

Sorry but... GOGETA!! GOGETA!! GOGETA!! GOGETA!! GOGETA!! GOGETA!! *CHANTING INTENSIFIES*

[@ashryasrinick]

Yup. I always loved him more than Vegito.

[@SSJScorpiozzz]

“Broly isn’t powerful” Goku at the end of the film: “You might even be tougher than Beerus!” Bruhhh this guy omfg-

[@darthcuckold1486]

Angry joe can't go super saiyan because he's always angry.

[@Lordgenome76]

That's his secret

[@DR3S1NGH]

He is in his Ultra Instinct state.

[@WorstTimelineInhabitant]

He's already super saiyan

[@ragex7786]

No, it's because he isn't feeling the tingling in his back. -.-

[@TheInFamousTMF]

Salvatore Pisano ha gaaaaay

[@premium5096]

Joe thats it HOLD me back joe HOLD ME BACK GOD DANG IT he Fu**ed up CMON BOYS LETS GET EM.

[@premium5096]

DRAGON BALL SUPER BROLY WAS EPIC

[@premium5096]

XD

[@Mugetsui]

Y'all need to watch JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Would love to see a review from Joe's and Alex.

[@lordderp6914]

Alex will probably stay its too weird and not bizarre while bring up star finger every chance he gets smh

[@2ndGear]

@11:25 "you introduce him as this nobody." Early on in the film shows Broly in a pod with abnormally high power levels going off the charts. Kind of a hint that he's not a normal Saiyan Alex. @14:05 "I watched Dragon Ball and you see this little kid train all the way up and even saw him turn into a great ape." Again, the movie established early on that kid Broly had a power level above 10 thousand which is like 10 Radits. Radits who could destroy a moon. Being a planet buster as a child it stands to reason that Broly is an anomaly or what King Vegeta would call him "a freak."

[@stanwatcham4805]

Saw it today, FANTASTIC! Possibly the best Dragon ball movie yet! XD

[@paulatreides6711]

Stan Watcham not at all

[@Darkneonflame13]

Zulhazwan Hamzah my man you combed all these comments I at least see you reply to 20 percent of them

[@lightning6778]

Zulhazwan Hamzah Lol So you admit to having no life.

[@chuviis3508]

@@lightning6778 I asume you don't know how to read.

[@lightning6778]

Holy Moly I do actually,perhaps you don’t.

[@TheBloodyNights]

To be fair Goku himself, basically learns every technique he sees the very first time he sees it. A great example is Kamehameha, his signature technique that took Master Roshi over 50 years I believe to learn and master. He did a version of it right after he saw it and destroyed a car. Most of Goku's technique's are stolen ones. After image, Solar Flare, Kamehameha, I'm pretty sure I've seen him use a version of Destructo disc. Not to mention the technique's he learned from King Kai, that none of the other Z-fighters managed to learn while they were with him, being Kaio-ken, and the Spirit Bomb. If you are nerdy enough to go to the wiki they actually call his ability to perform techniques he's only seen once before hand. They call it...Mimicry. lol Majin Buu also learned technique's super fast basically instantly as soon as he saw them. And them basically making it a big point that Broly's latent potential was off the charts, it doesn't surprise me that he could learn it very quickly, even Vegeta mentioned he was learning as he fought. Though I do agree, that going from training with someone who's power level was 4000, and just basic monsters. He was a bit too powerful especially going up against Super Saiyan Gods who are at universal feats. I think him getting some type of training with Frieza before hand as a test, or losing and then coming back or something would have helped with the plot a little bit. But ultimately it was fun.

[@LUCKO2022]

Kienzan Disc. Taioken. Stop using the fucking dub names.

[@TheBloodyNights]

Stop being so triggered just because I used the English dubbed names. You know what they are regardless.

[@TubaBluba789]

@@LUCKO2022 Stop being a weeb. The English names are offical, so are the japanese names. It makes no difference

[@KidDaMi3N]

@@LUCKO2022 you're a fuck wad

[@Simpnamedslickback]

BloodyNights Tiens been doin this shit since Dragon Ball😤

[@darylthompson176]

10/10 Dragon ball film for me I loved it.

[@anthonydavis4092]

-10/10

[@Starman.2957]

daryl thompson 7 or 8/10

[@abexx8485]

Movie was trash.

[@ZarChasmOfficial]

@@abexx8485 lol you keep trying to trigger people with the same comment.

[@kumbi8368]

I give it a 7.

[@michelrosabal9574]

Alex whaaaatttttt did you sayyy ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... What do you mean too many fights 😠😠😠😠😡😡😡 is ok is ok hes not a fan 😵😵😵

[@lejigglyqueenteemo6029]

lol right

[@quarreneverett4767]

I havent seen the movie yet but he might have a point. Drawn out things in a movie can impact it

[@SirIron23]

@@quarreneverett4767 From what I've heard it's not drawn out like Goku v Frieza

[@sython135]

@@quarreneverett4767 it's 30 minutes of eye candy fights. What's not to love? That's a dumb complaint from Alex imo

[@allarian8726]

He's a fan, not a fanboy. He liked the movie, but wont completely dick ride it and delude himself into thinking the movie was perfect. The total length should've been 3hrs, so naturally it felt a bit rushed and will have problems.

[@connorryan2715]

I was hoping you guys would review this. Happy you did this

[@showme5703]

Dont bring him back...

[@M0th180]

who alex?

[@johnnysans1618]

For giving valid criticism? I swear you fanboys are the dumbest species alive

[@preds43]

Johnny S Nothing was valid from it, though. What are you talking about?

[@OfLanceTheLonginus]

Nothing he said was valid and several of his criticisms were addressed in the film fuck off Johnny

[@generalfrost245]

@@johnnysans1618 I guess you are the superior species that complains about there being fighting in fighting franchises. Truly a supreme being to behold.

[@bradcha5413]

The cgi was hella clean. The transitions from 2D to 3D was fluent.

[@arasonyth3243]

brad cha there was one bad moment in the dimension shattered area, just one part in that entire scene when Broly's head moves and the CG was garbage. Everything else was spectacular

[@selfhealing]

I don't think he has seen all Dragon ball and dbz episodes: insert"why the f you lyin"- video.

[@WiseGaines]

selfhealing true

[@bubbaj2916]

Aight well the Dbz fan is about to come out of me. Saiyans in general get stronger when they fight which I believe you stated. Broly fighting at such a level would push him to unlock that hidden potential that was talked about at the beginning.

[@KJ-je9pm]

One thing I agree with Alex is they should've just sticked to the 2D animation throughout. 3D animation don't belong in anime imo. Hand drawn is always much better.

[@strawhat9023]

3D is way better used for special attacks and other visual effects.

[@jantran5349]

3d has been in anime movies such as ship and house, yea sometime is off-putting, but not when there is a 30 min battle scene. Enjoy every moment

[@jase276]

I don't think they had a choice. But, it is a shame. Only two people in all of Japan consecutively do 100% hand drawn films anymore. And I think you can guess who one of them is.

[@KJ-je9pm]

@@jase276 Yeah I understand. For time and budget reasons, 3D animation is needed. Although I get 2D animation takes a lot of time but overall its just miles better than 3D. You can just feel the blood, sweat and tears from the animators in that one frame.

[@PillowStuffin]

I'll give them that they were much more tame with the cgi this time around, vs battle of gods.

[@guiltyrisk33]

One of the best dragon ball movies💯💯💯

[@rochae0343]

Man I absolutely loved the music idk why. It just fit dragon ball

[@silasstryder]

KA-KA-ROTTTT BBBBROOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYY

[@JohnDoe-oh1qr]

Fun fact - Someone pointed out that the moment Gogeta goes Super Saiyan Blue, Broly doesn't land a single hit and just gets wrecked lol First time I've really felt the power jump from Super Saiyan to Blue

[@awesomeproductions7755]

*IWILLNOTLETYOUDESTROYMYWOOOOOOOOOOOORLD!!!*

[@calebunga7271]

Awesome Productions you seem to be having trouble fathoming what you can do now

[@nyesssboi4341]

Lol

[@funnyvalentine6670]

That Scream was Cringey.

[@spiffygonzales5899]

Those caps... they're... they're *OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!*

[@stevocon8521]

@@funnyvalentine6670 nah

[@CountArtorias]

6:15 LMAO Joe's reaction is hilarious

[@BIGD-cc7ru]

“There was 30 minutes of fight scenes”. Interesting thing to point as a fault of the film. In DBZ, there were fights that were HOURS long, most notably the namek Goku vs frieza fight which is over 6 hours long. As well, there was a lot of long pauses and filer placed into the fights. With this movie, we got 30 minutes of straight action, that was beautifully animated and didn’t have much filler filling space for no reason. This criticism seems odd to me, as well as the one that “DBZ the fights were quick and short” as many fights are waaaaay longer than this. Last thing, the critics about “they gave Broly a personality because of marvel” is just such a weird thought. Maybe, and I might be overthinking this to the heavens, but maybe they didn’t want to do the screaming monster who people think only has one word in his vocabulary due to another movie making it so Broly only says kakarot. Giving Broly an actual personality helps him have at least more depth than his DBZ counterpart. Just some odd thought here and there. Still enjoyed the review though!

[@dargoon3608]

In this Broly is not a legendary super Saiyan his power increase comes from his ape-form in the movie it explains that Broly is in ape form while still Being human he’s pretty much the hulk the more mad Broly gets the stronger he gets

[@darthmisogyny3828]

Which is why he cant control his powers. Idk how they missed that lol

[@alektoledo4436]

Shaquille Shaw that and he is not a martial artist

[@salemtroy2612]

He was born with a power level that was breaking scouters they keep skipping that part

[@marrier9999]

Just to clear something up, I don't think Broly "learned" the energy binding move. I think he reversed it with sheer willpower. Remember when Aang tried to energy bend Ozai, and it almost got reversed because of Ozai's willpower? I think it was like that with Goku and Broly.

[@ihavenoson3384]

That's AVATAR. Wrong anime, dillhole.