𝗙𝗜𝗡𝗔𝗟𝗟𝗬 Dragon Ball Super Ends The Fusion Debate...

Vegito is created using Potara fusion, and this is seemingly more advantageous, as there is no need to spend time performing the fusion dance, and there is no need to synchronize power levels, like with Metamoran fusion. It is also supposed to last indefinitely
Once fused, the two fighters’ powers are merged, before being multiplied by tens of times. So for instance, if Goku had a power level of 100 000 and Vegeta had a power level of 90 000, they'd fuse, with the power level being 190 000 x (at the very least)10 so Vegeto would then have a power level of 1 900 000, to say the least. Then add SSJ to that and his power would shoot up drastically.
Metamoran fusion, or the fusion dance, is powerful in its own right, but is subject to the need for perfect synchronization. The two performers need to mirror each others’ moves perfectly, as even a leg or a finger out of place by so much as an inch results in:
Disaster. better known as Veku.
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#vegito #gogeta #vs

[@elliotbowden1083]

Up until the fandom made the creators change the scaling because of fan faves it was said potara was a multiplier where gogeta was just adding together, that's how it stays.

[@MrRichiarditya]

Yeah i heard about this in 90s/early 2000s from my friend. This used to be the canon apparently, but it simply stupid if we think it thru tho lol. Like let say Goku & Vegeta only have 1M power lvl, which is they have way more. 1 M x 1 M is bajillion number. And Gogeta would only 2 Milions. Also it would be inconsistent As F, like i dont think Goten + Trunks could beat any form of Bu if it was only addition formula

[@Nobody_3766]

im pretty sure its still A x B for potara, with A + B x # being metamoran.

[@sidecharacter3193]

Gogeta was never adding together that’s dumb. If it was that then fat buu was only ssj2 level

[@rustyrattle5776]

The Super Exciting Guide blatantly shows both multiply, it was never addition for either fusion

[@ashjauamir5874]

Even Gogeta himself said in the DBS broly movie "our powers not only add up they significantly magnify" so no it's not just adding up

[@Enelnuts7333]

As a vegito and gogeta fan I can agree I haven't watched the show

[@oris9593]

u not a dragon ball fan if u dont have a favorite between these 2

[@thewooperbois7154]

That ain’t rue u don’t need to have a favourite but my favourite is veku search it down u will see who they are

[@AChimp196]

@@thewooperbois7154 I like both, but I like Gogeta more.

[@hypersonic4562]

Dragon ball fans in a nutshell

[@thewooperbois7154]

@@hypersonic4562 yep

[@EclipseEuclid]

That's the thing, Vegeta and Goku were at the same level of strength during the Broly movie.

[@creepy5387]

vegeta in ssjb stronger than goku in ssjb lol

[@IamNotABlockOfCheese]

​@@creepy5387 what the fuck are you talking about?

[@jacksonmurphy8169]

@@creepy5387 that says more on their forms

[@skyrimenjoyer]

@@creepy5387 vegeta in ssjbe is stronger but is equal in ssjb

[@creepy5387]

@@skyrimenjoyer no lol vegeta trained a lot more than goku in dbs, spent a lot of time in the time chamber while goku was with his family

[@Alex-dr6or]

The fact that Goku lowered the power level doesn't affect the total power output of Gogeta. It's only required to be in synchronization alongside the movement aspect of the dance. Once fused there's no such restriction. If you think about it, the power that Goku suppressed doesn't vanish after Gogeta is created, it's still within and can be brought up.

[@supenzu3001]

yes it dose

[@SonGoli]

Thats even assuming Goku had a higher base level

[@neglance3440]

Gotta also remember you can't fuse with anyone who's power is to low but with potara you

[@kayis_yun]

its simple, if you have 7 cubes, and 5 cubes, and someone says you need 10 cubes, then you have to take out 2, same with gogeta but vegito can have 12 because the is no restriction so he has more power

[@themilkman5237]

⁠@@kayis_yun that example doesn’t make any sense since goku only supressed his power not entirely removed the strength from his body it’s still there just not being used so i don’t see why gogeta wouldn’t be able to access that power after the fusion

[@sahidsama713]

I do like Gogeta more than Vegito, but he is telling facts I am actually glad this man is trying to end this debate! And I personally dont care who is stronger, and they both are very cool!

[@bottlemanepic3781]

True

[@ryanchetty8336]

The thing with the time limit for gogeta is that it should work the same as gotenks therefore defuse just as quick or quicker than vegito since both have a time limit metamoran being 30 mins instead of an hour

[@PurpleSkiesRF]

A few things that were wrong here: 1. BOTH fusions have their time shortened with excess power usage. Gogeta doesn’t get an unconditional 30 minutes regardless of power usage like everyone likes to claim. Gotenks (and GT Gogeta if you want to count that) are both prime examples of this. Gogeta would have defused prematurely against Zamasu just like Vegito did. 2. Vegito’s time limit against Zamasu was only shortened to 40 minutes. The manga confirms this and there’s nothing in the anime that contradicts that. The amount of screen time that Vegito has is irrelevant since we all know that Dragon Ball time and screen time are NEVER on the same scale. So even after his time limit was shortened, Vegito STILL had a longer time limit than Gogeta’s absolute max of 30 minutes. 3. Certain sources will say different things about the multipliers, but up until Vados’ vague statement in Super, the Potara multiplier has always been known to be AxB. So if Goku’s power level was 100,000 and Vegeta’s power level was 90,000, Vegito’s power level would be 9,000,000,000 (excluding the rival boost which I’ll get into momentarily). This is more so something that should be pointed out rather than a correction because you weren’t necessarily WRONG about the multiplier for Vegito except for the fact that you forgot to mention the rival boost. Elder Kai points out that Vegito has an extra amp on top of the multiplier because of the perfect synchronization between two rivals that constantly try to one up each other. Nothing has ever implied that Gogeta has this though. So even if Goku and Vegeta were completely equal, Vegito still comes out stronger than Gogeta. 4. Neither one is more serious than the other. Vegito is just more verbal because that’s part of his strategy. He did it to Buu in order to make him resort to absorption and he did it to Zamasu to make him lose control of himself which actually makes you weaker in Dragon Ball compared to when you are in full control of your ki. That alongside just physically weakening him is why Trunks was able to keep up with Zamasu after Vegito’s defusion. The result of your video is correct, but it’s actually more one sided than you pointed out here.

[@XxXXxXxxxxxXxXxxxx870]

I agree people make vegito seem like he just talks trash just to talk trash and this isn’t the case he does this to psychologically attacking the opponent as seen from zamasu and buu

[@sorlobanugs1796]

omg finaly someone remebers that metamoran also gets a shorter time limit the more power it uses

[@bottlemanepic3781]

Finally someone said it

[@william_.575]

i swear to god bro vegito's trash talking gotta be the most op technique in dragon ball☠️☠️☠️

[@truzzprod.8191]

Gotenks did not defuse he just went to base

[@abeyohando4976]

Fusion multiplier: (At their strongest forms) A+B x100 = potara fusion base and most likely same case with fusion dance

[@nivnavion]

You are using the sayian scholar multiplier aren’t you? There is no canonical multiplier, and the truth is… it is heavily inconsistent. Base Vegito from the Buu saga was stated to be SSJ3 Goku level, or 400X base Goku. Goku~>=Vegeta when both in base. Why? Because Vegeta states this himself, Goku’s SSJ2 was more powerful than Vegeta’s SSJ2, which is why Vegeta required the Majin power boost. Due to the fact that SSJ2 is a multiplier, it can be concluded that without magic, Goku’s base is evidently superior to Vegeta’s at this point in time. However for the sake of simplification let’s say that they are around equal, which is a fair assessment as Goku had some advantages such as being dead, meaning increased durability when facing Majin Vegeta. So simple algebra: G=V where G is Goku and V is Vegeta. Vegito is 400X base Goku. And G=V. So 2G = G+V. 400/2 = 200. Therefore there is a 200x multiplier from the fusion on top of adding their two powers. The problem with Metamoran fusion is that it makes little sense. Base Gogeta and SSJ Gogeta did better against Broly than the combined efforts of SSB Goku and Vegeta, so an argument that could be raised is that the base form of a fusion is = to the strongest form of the two individuals added together. This also helps explain Vegito being 400X base Goku, it’s Goku’s 400X multiplier + a negligible 100X value of Vegeta, it’s adding the two, not multiplying. But all of this is speculation and logic but not at all proven, whenever someone tells you the multiplier of fusions, it shouldn’t be treated as Gospel.

[@ssj5_edits840]

@@nivnavion he is and i dont go by that i go by 50x ssjb goku and ssjb vegeta making the fusion multiplier 450 multiplier

[@nivnavion]

@@ssj5_edits840 50X SSJB Goku and SSJB Vegeta isn’t 450X, if you are referring to the 400X multiplier and the SSJ multiplier, it would be 400x50=20,000X. You multiply the two multipliers not add them, unless you were talking about something else?

[@abeyohando4976]

@@nivnavion I just decided to use his cause it made the most sense to me at the time.

[@emptyx9593]

No it don’t something y’all all forget the supreme kai said I didn’t know it was this strong the elder kai said it’s not he only that strong cuz his rivalry boost 😂 if they not rivals then the extra boost wouldn’t come into play making the fusion dance stronger since goku said it take both our powers n put it together n magnified it nobody knows by wat number y’all all head canon 😂 trying to come up with numbers the fusion dance put they power together n boost it the ear rings boost only come into play if they rivals

[@toomanylevels]

One thing to be noted is that the fight between Gogeta and Broly didn't last more than five minutes, so it's technically headcanon to say he didn't defuse right after Frieza left. Going off what happened in GT, the more power Gogeta uses, the faster his time is drained - and if you don't like non canon material, Gotenks (another metamoran fusion) also defused prematurely after tapping into ssj3

[@Wu_bandz]

I think elder Kai was referring to how potaras were infinite unlike metamoran fusion which was a 30 minute time limit, I’m pretty sure they are both the same power level it’s just that that they have different abilities and vegito’s time limit is longer which is why Potaras are better

[@johnsonbangura3074]

I agree vegito just has a longer time limit. Vegito trait is that he likes longer fights and gogeta is more serious and finishes the fights

[@kevinerbs2778]

Elder kia also mentions that it's only permanent when it's used with a Kai only.

[@Wu_bandz]

@@kevinerbs2778 elder Kai never said that, that was gowasu, he didn’t know it was permanent only with gods

[@lordzcy6777]

Dude elder Kai was referring to power the conversation was about power when it came to fusion not only that but Vegito said he way way stronger than he expected be he would only have based his power off of the fusion dance multiplyer

[@masterkc]

@@lordzcy6777 why would elder kai talk about power...when all it took was a ssj3 goku to fight evenly with buu? he was definitely talking about the time limit.

[@santocapra4128]

So we just going ignore the fact that gotenks going ssj3 shortened his time limit by a lot

[@kazi1]

Great points

[@Medsuo_Retro]

By the way I'd like to add that Vegitto is an absolute presence meanwhile Gogeta is a finisher. Gogeta seems to understand that he has a limit, and that he is born for a purpose : defeat his enemy. Vegitto on the other hand is a completely different being. He doesn't seem to care about his "presence" a lot, he is not necessarily trying to prove a point or to achieve something. He probably feels like a deity due to his immense power and never seems to care about his opponent, always trash talking and joking around because he knows he's superior. He's "cocky" because he knows that nobody can actually beat him lol so yeah it's way too obvious that Vegitto is a monster. His final-kamehameha against Zamasu was so powerful it broke the time limit to his existence lol

[@austria-hungary7680]

TL:DR Vegitto Fucks around and Gogetta doesn't

[@Unknown-png]

Ssj4 gogeta would like to have a word with you

[@Vitalitization]

@@Unknown-png It was a strategy to make Omega Shenron use the Negative Karma Ball and turn it into positive energy.

[@Medsuo_Retro]

I remember back when I was a kid I used to play the PS1 Dragon Ball GT game, and you could see how powerful a character is by the size of their aura when they're charging Ki. I remember that each SSJ form had a bigger aura than the previous form. It obviously had DBZ Vegitto and SSJ4 Goku available. Both had the same aura size and design, with electricity except it was yellow with orange electricity for Vegitto and red with yellow electricity for Goku. And now I see your reference about Z Vegitto and SSJ4 Goku and it's actually funny

[@hypersonic4562]

In the goku black arc, zamasu was immortal so vegito couldn't kill him so he was trying to shake his right mindedness to worsen his regeneration and then he tried to finish him with a final Kamehameha but it was too much for the potara

[@CHARLOTTE6969]

As Gogeta fan boy i will say Gogeta ain't Winning against vegito 💀

[@cmack702gaming]

What about the time limit though

[@CHARLOTTE6969]

@@cmack702gaming depends on the power that those two use 🍷

[@青墨]

Vegito hasn’t even won a single fight

[@zombienationz2939]

I appreciate this video lol blunt af rofl

[@JudasNoCeu]

I don't care what they say, Potara earings are God stuff, so it should definetily be stronger than other fusion wich also has it's time diminished because of the amount of power used.

[@Bone_Tickler]

If that's the argument then why are "Mortals" as strong as some gods?

[@realTGF]

@@Bone_Tickler hell stronger than some gods.

[@ELI-tr9th]

​@@Bone_Tickler P L O T

[@virginactivity2977]

@@Bone_Tickler because they use the powers of the gods most times

[@Bone_Tickler]

@@virginactivity2977 I don't remember goku using God Ki in The Buu saga You know The same saga with the Kais Who are considered as "God's" You know THE SAME GUYS WITH THE POTARAS

[@aowsnapy7541]

i find funny how people keep mentioning that vegito will defuse earlier due to energy issues. but gotenks (a fusion dance fusion like gogeta) defused (or atleast reverted to base) before the 30 minutes ended due to energy issues aswell so it would happen to gogeta aswell in a fight in blue or higher making it so that gogeta and vegito have that ascept even.

[@oi_anims]

The average gogeta fan hell even dragon ball fan hasn't watched the show Almost everything they know is from super

[@HobbsAnimates]

Gotenks reverted to base due to the ssj3 Stam issue....even goku reverted to base.

[@aowsnapy7541]

@@HobbsAnimates but still gotenks reverted from energy drain and blue even if it is less than ssj3 still has drain (it has been mentioned multaple times by both goku and vegeta) thus gogeta would defuse faster aswell due to energy drain

[@44harbordale44]

In my opinion comparing movie feats to show feats is asinine, it all comes down to writing. If they wanted Gogeta to defuse in the Broly movie he would have, and they would have given the exact same explanation. If they wanted Vegoto to actually defeat Zamas he would have no diffed, but that wasn't what the story needed most.

[@KaioCresendo]

That’s because ss3 in general just drains your energy. Even goku by himself stated it drains your energy really fast

[@YakiBaki]

It all comes down to this. More war power, or longer time to finish the enemy?

[@jordanglasper1064]

I love this vid. I’m a Vegito fan more than Gogeta. Tho I love them both. Ultimately, The difference in both versions of fusion reach the same result. It is like a math problem using two different formulas, only to come to the same answer. The Various Guidebooks are very unreliable when it comes to Power Levels & Power Scaling. Old Kai’s statement was never explained, and neither was the context. I firmly believe The Old Kai was saying The Potara Fusion is a stronger technique than The Fusion Dance. What’s more, The Power Level lowered in the fusion dance is not lost, nor counted out. It is utilized and Maximized as well. I love your video edits, timing music and Epicness. Can’t wait for more!!!

[@Sarge327]

Feel like I should mention here that Vegetto unfusing in an hour was *not* a retcon, it was an explanation for a retcon that happened during the Buu Saga.

[@baddworld]

Valid

[@Ahiru-san_]

Every time i see the lil break things like how TVs be when u get a commercial break i always expect a dumb funny meme💀💀💀💀

[@k.w.252]

I almost cursed you in my heart, but then I finished the vid. Cool content bro and I like your the theory about whis grooming goku to be the next destroyer, but what would have to happen for goku to want to become the god of destruction?

[@jamesparkes4062]

Didnt vegeta make a deal to be god of destruction in order to be trained

[@h4ce.]

ive always believed vegito to be stronger so thanks for giving me even more evidence to use

[@KazamaRaikan]

Vegito is Vegeta dominant Gogeta is Goku dominant, not only that but Akira said it himself that Gogeta and Vegito are equal and one is not stronger than the other, the ONLY thing Vegito has over Gogeta is that Vegito can last up to an hour and Gogeta can only last up to 30 minutes

[@virginactivity2977]

Except this same Akira has stated multiple times before dumbasses who wanted their favorite character to not be weaker then the other fusion, that vegito was a better fighter, was a better fusion method, had more multipliers, still only defused at 40 minutes in the Manga, and has been proven multiple times to be on higher power because he's compared to MANGA BEERUS, the same beerus who is so high above other people in the Manga, and this was in the goku black arc

[@Songohanbestio]

how is vegito more vegeta dominant he looks more like goku has more of gokus voice and fights more like goku if you say he cocky watch battle of god or a lot of the fights in og dragon ball or the namek arc where goku is far more cocky than vegeta

[@KazamaRaikan]

@@Songohanbestio Akira said it himself that Vegito is Vegeta dominant and Gogeta is Goku dominant and Vegito sounds more like Vegeta especially with how he taunts his enemies, Goku is less arrogant and more serious in his fights like Gogeta, which shows in the anime itself the evidence is literally there slapping you in the face also Notice how Vegito says “This is Super Vegito!” And “This is Vegito Blue!” Which is Vegeta’s primary thing not Goku which also shows how he’s Vegeta dominant

[@Songohanbestio]

@@KazamaRaikan first of all vegeta is serious in his fight akira never said vegito is more vegeta and goku plays around and tests him self in fights look at dbs broly or the TOP or BOG i can keep going plus goku is super cocky also plus vegitos fighting style is way more close to goku more close combat vegeta is far more serious in fights like ROF,TOP,dbs broly uni 6 arc, and the granohla arc

[@Songohanbestio]

@@KazamaRaikan just because he says super vegito dosent mean hes more vegeta vegitos main line "alright" is a goku line and gogetas fighting style is more like vegetas with his ki basted moves plus vegitos facial expressions are far more goku like than vegetas and gogetas

[@alibeknorbekov5963]

Finally Debate is over And i was Right Heh Nice Video 👍

[@imbeddeddog7193]

“Because… no.” Seems legit

[@AbsoluteZeroLife]

Lmao the thing is how much power the fusion gets changes each time the fusion is used

[@boostedleafeon7794]

Honestly I viewed the Potara as the 'weaker' fusion not because of power but because of the Potara themselves thanks to them failing during that arc in Super. If the earings don't have that weird "Too much Power" funnel thing, they'll win. When that's around it's not a fair fight because Vegito is clearly handicapped by trying not to push to much through.

[@Crow_Rising]

A few fun facts about the DBS Potara one hour time limit (and a few general fun facts): 1. The time limit actually existed in Z as well. In the DBZ Manga, Goku and Vegeta briefly consider the idea that Buu's magic dispelled their fusion, however this was merely speculation in the moment and isn't ever confirmed. It's not a conscious choice of Buu's either, since if he wanted to be as strong as possible it would be better to keep any fusions he absorbs fused for as long as possible. He did gain Gotenks' powers, so Gotenks did remain fused inside of him for some time before splitting apart. Elder Kai was simply wrong about the fusion being permanent, which is in character. 2. In the DBS Manga, it's actually specified that the one hour time limit applies to gods as well. Both participants of the fusion must be of the race of the Kai's for the fusion to be permanent. This applies to Zamasu as well, as since Black has the body of a Saiyan he is unable to maintain the fusion. However, he does end up bypassing this due to his immortality. This also means that if for example Whis and Beerus were to fuse together with the potara earrings, their fusion would only last for one hour. 3. In comparison to Dance Fusion, the Potara fusion when the time limit is in effect is less stable. It's possible for the combined fighter to reduce the remaining time even faster by burning through it with their raw power, such as with what happened to Vegito Blue. He used so much power so fast that he actually burned through his entire one hour time limit in only five minutes. Dance fusion on the other hand guarantees 30 minutes of fusion regardless of how much power is being used. 4. Potara fusions can result in a fused fighter weaker than the stronger of the two fighters in their regular base form. As explained by Goku in DBZ, this is because the potara will actually average the two fighters power together before multiplying on top of it. For example, if Goku fused with Hercule, the resulting fusion would be a lot stronger than Hercule, but a lot weaker than regular Goku. This would still be stronger than if they were to have fused via the dance though, since instead of averaging powers together Goku would have to lower his power until he was as weak as Hercule for the Dance fusion to work. 5. Here's generally how the two fusion methods compare for those whom the time limit applies to: -Potara lasts up to one hour but can last much less time depending on sheer power output. Dance Fusion can't last any longer than 30 minutes, but won't run out of time any faster than that either. The downside for the Dance method is that if the dance is done incorrectly the resulting fusion will be weak, such as in the case of Veku and Fat Gotenks. -Potara has a higher potential power multiplier due to both individuals fusing retaining their natural power level and the difference between them getting averaged out if the gap is big enough, while Dance Fusion is most efficient if both fighters being combined already had equal power levels to begin with since otherwise the stronger fighter must reduce their power to match their partner. Potara is advantaged proportional to the gap between the two fighters power levels, while both methods would produce equal results in regards to power if the two fighters were already equal power before fusing. -The strongest possible use of fusion is for two equal Kai's to fuse using potara, as their fusion will remain permanent. However, for anyone who is not a Kai or fusing with someone who also isn't a Kai the strongest use of fusion would be to pull off a Dance Fusion with someone who's just as strong as you. This will allow the resulting fusion to use as much power as they want for 30 whole minutes without fear of running out early and they will be just as strong as if they were to have formed using potara. -This also means that while Vegito is usually advantaged in regards to being stronger, Gogeta actually has the potential to be just as strong as Vegito if Goku and Vegeta were to train together until they were equal in power. Basically, if Goku and Vegeta aren't equals then Vegito is stronger. If they are, then Gogeta is stronger via having just as much power but less severe downsides.

[@Bluewolf22222]

One critique is that metamoran also has the power output issue too since gotenks in ssj 3 also loses time

[@dwightnorton3398]

Nice video ending( The Debate War saga )

[@theholyman491]

Also if we take gt into account than fusion dance also has a power limit , because when ssj4 gogeta was fightin omega shenron than they defused after around 23 minutes instead of 30 , same i think should go for the broly movie because its hard for me too belevie that gogeta was fighting broly for 30 minutes and also the fusion dance should have an hour long cool down

[@theguy7276]

As a casual Gogeta enjoyer, i respect this argument, and rnjoy the points made here.

[@zombieslaya250sr]

As a average vegito enjoyer I respect your decision of who you like

[@SaikoRyujin]

What in the headass was that outro 💀; that's some shit I would've done back as a kid after watching Kai. There's always arguments to be made, but, being a Gogeta fan, I enjoyed this video; using what's supposedly known, everything you said was logical, rather than biased nonsense.

[@jaishonestelle3885]

The more power they put out the faster the patora fusion ends so with that being said does that mean that vegito would defuse if both keep raising there power level

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

Bro that thumbnail is cursed, give Gogeta his hair bang back.

[@GG-rs5wr]

what if their fusion was taken over by the genyu that switches bodies then they un fused what will happen

[@TheAzureOne_]

Unpopular opinion: Vegito is stronger because he had harder fights (a universe/multiverse level threat and a fused god that wiped out like 98% of earths population with himself from a different timeline) and was literally toying with them. Barely taking damage. And violating buu as a literal peice of candy.

[@kuru-yami9416]

Literally just truth

[@Its_KayBee]

Vegito is stronger... but the reasoning... nahh. Zamasu was a harder fight than Moro considering he's immortal, but that doesn't mean That Vegito

[@TheAzureOne_]

@@Its_KayBee if we had a current vegito fusion like after DBSSH he would wipe the floor with Goku.

[@sticknoder4659]

That thumbnail looking cursed lol (for those who didn't catch it, look at Gogeta)

[@GazeGamerX]

Difference being one has 30 minutes and the other has an hour Gogeta and Vegito no matter how you use it or look at it are practically identical so it’s only common sense that Gogeta would run out of juice first

[@ninjaslash52_98]

Weren’t the fusions retconned during the broly movie to gogeta being stronger but shorter time. I thought it was a stupid retcon and just playing into favorites and hyping the movie but correct me if I’m wrong.

[@BigSmexyBoi]

Goku and vegeta now have the same PL. And even then the fusion fance and potara still multiplies anyways so it won't matter about goku lowering his energy.

[@PsmTrey-Man]

Wait what does "significantly magnified" mean

[@progamerboi9503]

Dude I am a huge Gogeta fan, but you made me believe Vegito is stronger now. Honestly the best review video that I have seen.

[@SuperKingDavid-zy1cm]

About goten and trunks fusing , i really wish they give us a potara fusion version of Gotenks . Maybe the name could be truten atleast that's the best i could think of

[@goobeeeer]

Ngl i just know that if either pop up, get ready to eat dirt

[@hypersonic4562]

8:19 uh banshee blast? Spirit cannon? Savage strike? FINAL KAMEHAMEHA?!

[@digitaladventurer2142]

I doubt the debate will ever end considering they keep retconning each fusion. In Z the Potara fusion was supposed to last forever and only came apart due to the strange insides of Buu, but Super Retconned it to only an hour for mortals even though Elder kai fused with a non divine being, and even though Zamasu did the same thing by merging with a mortal body he suffered side effects but Elder Kai never seems to have. Then in GT the fusion dance was supposed to end early if you either had a super power form or used a powerful energy attack and even though Gogeta Blue used a very powerful Kamehameha while in the very powerful SSB form he still stayed fused afterwards.

[@holyflamelegendvargas2804]

Bro where is my man's bang in the thumbnail? That's just Vegeta with drip

[@tyrannotherium7873]

I mean, technically, if you read the interview when the movie came out, it’s stated that both vegito and gogeta are the ultimate Trump cards, so it doesn’t matter who would be who they are still equal in power and to be honest they are technically the same character. It’s just that one does the dance, while the other one wears Patara so it doesn’t matter which villain or the outcome would be the same also a lot of people think that vegito personality is more of vegeta and gogeta is more goku but it doesn’t really matter. They do act goofy, and sometimes serious and also another thing too is that guy is actually not really official that. Vegito is stronger than or strong as ssj4 it’s not even close maybe a hypothetical GT vegito in base or ssj but definitely not Z vegito

[@Abandoned2377]

Toryama said himself they are equal in strength and personality. Not a debate anymore

[@SirGenesis206]

For that final thought in the video, I think the manga is pretty clear on who the next destroyer will be.

[@LiiftYourself]

Vegeta uses the spirit sword in the manga and Goku uses the shield at some point in the anime

[@ayanansari8150]

spirit sword is most likely vegeta's move as in ToP manga we saw him avoiding getting kicked of the stage by using a very similiar move to spirit sword

[@gamingicedragon336]

Bro for the people that say "Vegito is a showoff" Just watch Seththeprogrammers "How strong is TUI Vegito" Vegito Is the *perfect* fighter so cockiness or empty ego is a complete weakness, not a perfect fighting abillity, He insults their opponents to lower their battle spirit or power, because Ki requires the opponent to be focused, With Buuhan his plan was to be absorbed by angering buu to make him absorb Vegito, With Fused Zamasu he wasn't toying with him, he was lowering his battle spirit, thus giving him more of an advantage.

[@aAaa-gj1lh]

Dunno man, Gogeta only messed up once but in GT, when he didn`t nuke Omega shenron, but all the other times he got the job done.

[@gamingicedragon336]

So did Vegito, if he had time, he would have won both fights.

[@aAaa-gj1lh]

@@gamingicedragon336 dunno man, his main weakness is losing time if he powers up too much.

[@virginactivity2977]

@a Aaa it's not, blue was a non perfect form in the goku black arc, this made the fusion more unstable and the power of the final Kamehameha (which is Manga beerus level btw) was too much for the unperfect form to take. Plus it was still 40 minutes in the manga

[@aAaa-gj1lh]

@@virginactivity2977 "Manga beerus level" , yeah, you never touched the manga

[@Dextellor]

Off topic but the Vegeta lowballing in this video is fucking WILD

[@suspigman]

As a vegeta fan u have accept that vegeta will never be stronger goku

[@Dextellor]

@@suspigman Vegeta is currently stronger than goku He just beat him Ultra ego isnt fully realized while TUI isnt even 2 times its power, which means there relative And vegeta is overall physically stronger than goku

[@pooferfish1227]

⁠@@Dextellor enough of the no limits fallacy of vegeta having a master ue he doesn't have that yet so accept tui stomps ue vegeta

[@Dextellor]

@@pooferfish1227 TUI doesnt stomp UE, they literally fight together and one isnt stronger than the other.THERE RELATIVE hop of veggies tip, that nigga isnt going down without a fight.

[@shido_rimru_]

​@@Dextellor no there not tui actually got hits on gas while Vegeta was knocked out just stop it lol and Goku ki avatar through gas in space more then what ever Vegeta did

[@kubawoowio9989]

Didn't death battle did it already?

[@wheresmygrasses1549]

I think people forget that time doesn’t really matter when they have the speed to make up for it. Ex: Goku and Frieza’s fight being 4 or so hours in their span of 5 minutes.

[@MajinBird]

I literally might make a video about just that

[@DynamicGamer7771]

W vid, as a Gogeta *and* Vegito fan, I gotta agree. Only thing is for Super, I gotta give that one to gogeta only because even if he does still get overpowered by Vegito, I think he could at least still fight back/stall until the time eventually does wear out for Vegito, thus resulting in Gogeta's victory. Ik you said you're talking about overall powerlevels, but I just feel like that's how the fight would end regardless if SSB Vegito and SSB Gogeta confronted, especially with Gogeta's ki proficiency. Rest goes to vegito though, W vid regardless 🔥

[@sorlobanugs1796]

dude sorry to inform you but fusion dance also wears off faster the more power it uses look at ssj3 gotenks and ssj4 gogeta bot defused alot faster

[@Songohanbestio]

umm only reason vegito defused faster was cus ssb wasnt mastered read the manga

[@Dr.PaiPai]

How is Vegito mostly Goku dominant? I always thought it was Vegeta dominate fusion?

[@peak_jerma.]

goku was the stronger one in the fusion

[@Explosivewaveofnut]

3:15 neither fusions are dominant, they are their own person.

[@datboirj7548]

I told ppl this nd they thought I was stupid

[@andrewwhyte7602]

Okay so what if Goku and vegeta are at the same level they would technically be as strong as vegito but with a controlled time limit that’s the only draw back of the fusion dance

[@CursedTechniqueHollowPurple]

Do y’all see gogeta in the thumbnail having no bang 🥶

[@Yoboytj16]

For any one who thinks vegito has a shorter fusion time didn’t even whach the show i literally went back and whached both of there fights in super and his was longer

[@rifarira9160]

idk man, akira love to retcon because he sometimes forgor things. At this point i convinced thats there's no different in power between FD and Potara.

[@Cazzerk]

I've personally always believed if the fight was relatively short, Gogeta dominates, if it's more drawn out and lasts longer Vegito stomps.

[@beewilliams7648]

Yes he's correct. But in situations you can dance anytime verses getting the earrings witch is a 1 in 1000000000 cuz gods don't usually befriend mortals

[@JohnyJames-vx2ei]

Actually, I believe that it's A+B=C for Fusion dance and A*B=C for Potora Fusion.

[@gnackrem.]

vegeta and goku were the same pl in the broly movie so its 10 + 10 and not 7 + 7 meaning its 200 and not 140 but your doing that to be fair but one small difference is that the potara cant hold much power at a time but the fusion dance can and the fusion dance also lets you split at will once you fuse perfectly unlike the potara so the dance is more effective

[@ItsBradAnimation]

But if you think of it like that remember TOP Kefla which I believe was over exaggerated but her power at SSJ 2 if she was pushing SSB Goku till he got ui that power cream right there was over kill considering that beaserk form Kale has wouldn’t that have broken the earrings too considering when kale transformed into that berserk form she woke Jiren up from his meditation to deal with her

[@Nobody_3766]

As far as I'm aware its set in stone that the Potara equation is (person A x person B) x rival boost(in the case of Vegeto, with implications of some kind of counterpart if there is a blood-based bond instead) while the Metamoran equation is (person A + person B) x #

[@Nobody_3766]

Also I'd like to mention that as seen with Gotenks, Metamoran fusion can be shortened as well, other timers such as Goku's time on earth back in the Buu saga are also shortened by ssj3 so its safe to say that its just unstable transformations like blue and 3 shortening ALL types of timers, rather than Metamoran, a mortal made fusion, somehow having an immunity to time reduction.

[@Nobody_3766]

Another thing, neither fusion is Goku or Vegeta dominated, they are entirely separate beings with a personality that's a mix of the two, how exactly that mix is expressed changes, with Gogeta having Goku's carefree attitude paired with Vegeta's seriousness, and Vegito having Goku's good nature paired with Vegeta's cockiness(though neither hinder him due to how Potara works as it makes Vegito a Perfect fighter)

[@Nobody_3766]

yet another thing(I know its 4 comments now but I'm typing this as I go) Vegito didn't NOT finish Zamasu in time, he straight up couldn't as Zamasu was fully immortal in the anime and he defused earlier than the anime in the manga so take your pick since they are different continuities, however Vegito DID weaken him by making him further deformed after Goku first fucked him up in Kaio-Ken.

[@Nobody_3766]

Last thing, Gogeta Barely finished the fight with Broly as he defused right after telling Frieza to go screw himself and so with DBS fights being slowed down because otherwise the audience wouldn't see shit and the fact that he didn't use blue from the very beginning(most likely from Vegito's memories of defusing early) thus being able to stretch out his time a little bit more you could easily make the argument that his time WAS shortened to less than half an hour, also because with how one sided the fight was for the most part, I find it hard to believe it took him that long to finish Broly.

[@zombieslaya250sr]

​@@Nobody_3766 don't forget in the manga he thought zamasu would defure like him

[@rigorocks23]

The gogeta that fought janemba is the coolest 2mins in all of dragonball

[@kuru-yami9416]

What about gokus powerup to ssj3 in the same film

[@xxxadam_dollxxx8551]

The thing is that vegito doesn't play around bc when he went against zamasu he went straight to blue and u may ask why did he just toy with zamasu remember he thought he had an hour and so he want test and see what will be effective in killing the immortal zamasu also he was going to hit zamasu with more attacks but the time limit happened outside his control also vegito talks trash for a good reason as he is dwindling his opponens ki so inreturn making them weaker as show with buuhan and zamasu as ki needs the person to have courage and be focused(I can't rlly remember if that how it works but I remember someone saying this) so when vegito was making fun of majin buu he was weakening him which is why he was taking his time with his opponents also vegito doesn't seem to be vegeta or Goku to me only being well his own person as his personality differs with his sometimes showing some vegeta and Goku attributes also this is why people say that vegito would lose as he would play around too much Vs gogeta but once vegito has a goal in his mind he will try to accomplish it like with majin buu where he wanted to save his family so he decided to be absorbed by majin buu also he couldn't kill zamasu because the time limit shortening was out of his control also are we all forgetting that vegito in the zamasu saga was stated in the manga (and could be also in the anime ) that he is as strong as beerus and think about that not even black frieza is beerus level and gogeta in DBs broly has been said (I think) in promotional material that he is as strong as beerus (idk if it is the same with the manga but could be) and remember this is after top which made Goku and vegeta break their limits over and over again making them thousands of times stronger which lots of creators have said this so I think that vegito rn and gogeta rn would be one sided as vegito is just too much but I do think that gogeta has more variety in his moves but I think that since they are almost the same person and that they are a fusion that they should be able to do the same moves but idk about that as that part was just my opinion Also if ppl are gonna say that vegito does not take his fight seriously on gogeta does remember that gogeta had opponents that didn't have an obstacle to go around aka janemba and broly if gogeta went up against buuhan he would prob do the same thing like vegito bc janemba and broly were just strong and didn't need a way to defeat such as zamasu being immortal and buu having goku's and vegeta's family in there as janemba and broly were just strong boys that needed to go down also didn't gogeta play around when fighting broly? Like he didn't take it seriously and was having fun if that was vegito he would prob go in blue and end it as he saw good in broly and saw that he was being brought into the bad path and wants to help him so he would knock out broly in one hit also before ppl say that in the promotional material they said that gogeta is an equal trap card to vegito meaning that they are equal in power or what not What they meant in that promotional material is that gogeta and vegito are equal trap cards not in power as when ever they use either it is usually a last resort and doesn't end well for the villain Also doesnt the fusion dance also have less time when they use power ik that in the vid he said that potara give more power but less control whilst the fusion dance gives more control but isnt there still a limit? Such as in dB gt ssj4 gogeta time limit went from 30 mins to 15 mins but that's not cannon so idk bc I heard ppl saying that

[@angelcarrasco7801]

1:27 vegeta actually had SSJ2 before the majin transformation, the majin form just made him equal in power to ssj2 goku.

[@Reppen555]

also isen't potara fusion stated to be superior to fusion dance by the kai's themselfs? im pretty sure they said that

[@sidecharacter3193]

The kais also said goku and vegeta would never defuse. So his credibility is questionable

[@Reppen555]

@@sidecharacter3193 well i think he ment that under normal circumstances which was correct until they got swallowed by buu which made them split

[@sidecharacter3193]

@@Reppen555 buu isn’t what made them split. It’s the fact that portara isn’t permanent for non kais So he doesn’t have full knowledge of how portara worked either

[@34_ID]

Bro, who TF is that in the thumbnail?

[@Dartharrypotter]

This was known a long time ago no?

[@supremelike2955]

You can compare fusion reborn goku to buuhan since one shaked a universe and the other shacked the afterlife being a similar feat and janemba can also be compared to vegito because despite facing universal threats they only show minimal damage and gogeta beats janemba easily

[@peak_jerma.]

but buuhan tore through the multiverse slowly

[@supremelike2955]

@@peak_jerma. yeah but that was more in the sense that broly “destroyed” south galaxy they did it by destroying planets

[@jon261944]

Hey! gogeta suffers time drain just like vegito not only did GT touch on this but gotenks proves metamoran fusion drains even from the power of super saiyan 3 I hate seeing that argument thrown at vegito when both suffer the same consequences and even then in the manga vegito lasts 45 minutes

[@inameku]

Great video and I agree with the points you’ve made. It’ll be a good fight no matter how it goes but Vegito will be the last fusion standing in the end

[@spongejo4225]

1:40 honestly I would say Goku’s SS2 is better sense he got training from after life

[@peak_jerma.]

nobody talking about how gogeta has vegetas hair in the thumbnail

[@MajinBird]

I didn't even notice that my boy 😭

[@Sonic2ist]

Gogeta ain't on the thumbnail, its just Vegeta with his clothes.

[@oi_anims]

Gogeta fans need to watch the show dawg You know what screw it half the dragon ball fandom needs to watch the show

[@Lum1s-yf6jf]

No they don't?

[@kingzuna8007]

Somebody’s a Vegito fanboy 😂 Gogeta has been shown multiple times being the stronger fusion, it doesn’t matter what you theorize a “hypothetical” Vegito to be like. Gogeta on screen has fought stronger opponents and won. Plus he struggle to maintain his blue form while using lots of ki during his fight against broly. Also potara does have one MAJOR flaw that was introduced in the tournament of power and you didn’t bring that part up. If the earrings are destroyed during the fight then the fusion ends….do you really think Gogeta wouldn’t be able to hit Vegito so hard that it breaks one of the earrings 💀…come on now let’s be honest here that’s an easy win

[@bdndella69]

aint that deep bruv

[@luckeyjake14]

Well, my only issue is the amount of power Vegito puts out limiting his over all time. The way I see it is Vegito is the inferior fusion for this issue. Goku and Vegeta are only getting stronger which means Vegito in base is getting closer to a faster clock out time in general. The only cannon time we see Gogeta is in DBS: Broly and to my knowledge he can go all out and still have 30 minutes to get the job done. Unless they hit Gogeta with the same flaw you have your answers. Eventually Goku and Vegeta will have to power down to use Vegito.

[@baldinggogeta6335]

If goku and vegeta are equal then a hypothetical gogeta and vegito would have the exact same power level.

[@superq2227]

Gogeta will Always be better

[@JacobMaxx]

muscle car vs jdm car

[@bossoholic]

Super said 10s of times, which could be 20 to 90x. I like to average (A+B) x 50 for Potara using max power levels of the individuals = fusion base PL. Same boost as SSJ

[@LunarAono]

That thumbnail is cursed

[@dinozrilic7970]

This theory just kinda shits on gotenks whole existence, as goten and trunks werent even close to strong enough to reach ssj3 individually. It just shows that it doesnt matter how much goku needs to lower his power level to fuse, once the fusion is complete, the difference doesnt matter anymore. Gogeta can simply power up as much as vegito could.

[@fnfcorruptedgodzilla3014]

Yes vegeta unlocked ssj2 before getting Majin but he needed the majin power boost just to be stronger than cell saga ssj2 Gohan

[@jake1766]

vegito stablized: yes

[@BurnzThatDude]

Disagree withcha big Dawg. Am gonna say they're both equal. Just because Goku has to lower his power to sync doesn't mean it disappears into nowhere. I believe the totality of the power is still in both of our boys.

[@jaidynallen3847]

By the way, the dance creates a much stronger multiplier for the fusion, then the earrings do, and it’s very apparent. In fact, let me break this down for you. Goku and Vegeta as individuals actually fight Merged Zamasu and push him back and can do pretty good now it’s very obvious that the base form of the fusions are stronger than the people that fuses into at their strongest forms and you can tell by the mannerisms of base form Vegito and Merged Zamasu, that base form Vegito couldn’t fight Merged Zamasu in his base form you can also tell based on how confident Zamasu was, and how unimpressed he was Now, on the other hand, Goku and Vegeta couldn’t do anything against Broly they couldn’t even make Broly flinch if they wanted to the creators of it even stated blue evolution, and blue Kaioken didn’t show up because it literally would’ve looked the exact same as it did. Then the fuse into Gogeta and base form Gogeta starts to fight Broly on pretty even footing for quite a while. Then he goes Super Saiyan and completely out of class is Broly. Then Broly powers up to break out of the raining shower of ki blasts and is still getting outclassed. Then the clash go to the other dimension where Broly powers of one more time and as a response Gogeta goes blue and Broly proceeds to not land a single attack for the rest of that fight. Gogeta then throws the Stardust breaker and Broly powers up even more and still is complete and total fodder in comparison to Gogeta. Like seriously man just think about it makes Vegito wasn’t confident in fighting against Zamasu but base Gogeta was confident in fighting Broly and Goku and Vegeta unfused can fight against Zamasu and not have to run away, but Goku and Vegeta when they’re fighting, Broly are completely in capable of doing anything but running away. It’s very obvious and very apparent that the multiplier to create Gogeta is vastly more than the multiplier to create Vegito.

[@SonGoli]

At whst point has Goku ever had to lower his power level to Vegeta to fusion dance

[@jamesparkes4062]

Every time the use gogeta

[@kuru-yami9416]

@@jamesparkes4062 nah, only in Gt.

[@Rest_sama]

Potara: A × B Dance: (A + B) × 100

[@Chizinky]

nowadays vegeta would be the one lowering his power level since he surpassed goku and its likely going to stay that way 3:10 tbh its mostly a 50/50 since he has the seriousness of goku(almost nonexistent) and the ego of vegeta