Drake More Life: Why Don't Americans Like British Rap?

Drake’s new album “More Life” features British Rappers/Grime MCs Giggs and Skepta, but many Americans have voiced their opinions about ‘not feeling British rap’.
A few example US Tweets:
"Who is Giggs and the hell he rapping about?"
"Who is Skepta?"
See the British panel's reaction
The panel react / discuss their theories of why American’s may dislike British accents on rap records.
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[@kevinrobinson1357]

Lol,you British trying to say hip hop isn't American!

[@Jericho-pn3zi]

Think about this, American rap is huge and comes from all corners of America. Houston, west coast, NYC, philly, Atlanta and Miami are the main areas. Don't be butt hurt that some Americans don't feel U.K. Rap because we have so much variety as it is. Something new and different is not even in the spectrum for some Americans. Nothing personal bruh. I liked giggs on more life tbh

[@sexyrose93]

Jamaicans claim to be the creators of hip-hop because of DJ Kool Herc even though the term "hip-hop", breakbeats, the first hip-hop records and hip-hop record label was created by Black Americans.

[@NaphtaliRashid]

I lived in New York During Kool Herc time Pure Yardie

[@OfCourse_DestinyisanAries]

That White guy is preaching, didn't expect that from him.

[@evilerniez]

How can U.K. urban scene take credit for Jamaican slang?

[@hanifkamaly8753]

Mitch Charles yes i agree its jamaican slang. however jamaica or around the carrabein area is in the british colony. im not sure exact but its around there. after world war 2 britain ecomony was really high. so they needed more people to fill the public sector jobs such as cleaning the streets and pucking up the bins. so britain told the jamaican to come. thats were britain developed that multu cultural accent.

[@MRAAng-on2jg]

Probably because the UK urban scene is mostly made up of Caribbean decent lol... Of course it comes from the Caribbean but most of these people in the urban scene in the UK are Caribbean (and African of course) so the slang they use is the slang they grew up with within their household.

[@godessmaat9227]

Hanif Kamaly your ignorance is showing. Jamaicans also came as teachers, nurses, musicians, train drivers, journalist.....

[@cameronisaiahdavis]

As a huge hip-hop head I found this to be one of the most interesting topics I've come across in a long time. There was a lot of about this that I agreed with, somethings I disagreed with, and sometimes I just had a different opinion on. Anyways, I would love to sit down and have a conversation like this in person as an american and as someone who is deeply invested in hip-hop culture and it's global influence. I feel the need to say one thing, one of the women in the video said popular music and rap essentially are different, she tried to classify it as two different things and what people fell to understand is that rap is popular music, literally. It's pop culture. It permeates all across globe, and it effects the level of outside influence that can seep in. Secondly, someone made the point that other aspects of the black experience aren't being expressed or captured but I would disagree. If that was true, Beyonce's Lemonade album wouldn't have had the global effect that it did, Solange's album wouldn't be universally acclaimed as it was. D'angelo's Black Messiah wouldn't have been a top ten album of 2016, so different there are different avenues of music that ultimately can tell the black experience. I would argue music as a whole I would say actually doing really well. One guy made a good point that good music is universal, and I agree that's why I rock with Little Simz, Jay Prince, Stormy, Giggs, etc. To many things to talk about and type out otherwise I would be here all day but like I said, very interesting conversation to be had and it's something I'm going to discuss with my fellow american hip-hop heads. I would love to see this again with mixture of British and American voices to hear both sides of coin equally as to get a more accurate perspective. If there is any misspelling or grammatical errors I apologize, It's 4:30am here.

[@warrengrant2992]

100% my thoughts exactly! I'm from London, UK and there were some things I agreed with in this and some things I disagreed with! Very interesting convo!

[@goingonce121]

Thank you Snips for explaining the origins of hip hop to those people! Its mind-boggling that folks actually believe Jamaica created hip hop. Influenced yes, but the foundation was here loooong before kool herc. It's disrespectful.

[@MissMeMe343]

Yet hiphop sounds NOTHIN like reggae or Dancehall. Reggae was never even popular in the US. Hiphop is a black American genre that others assimilated to.

[@garlandowls1134]

@@MissMeMe343 Some Jamaicans refuse to acknowledge that Hip-Hop music is a Black American genre. Yes, DJ Kool Herc is Jamaican but he didn't write nor produce any music. Hip-Hop music as a genre started in the late 70s and King Tim III (Personality Jock) by the Fatback Band is credited as being the first Hip-Hop record. Kool Herc's breakbeats were based off of James Brown and other Funk/Soul records yet Jamaicans try so hard to dispute this fact. There was no Hip-Hop music at Kool Herc's party in 1973. Also DJ Kool Herc learned the breakbeat from Pete DJ Jones. Reggae & Dancehall as music genres DID NOT birthed Hip-Hop music.

[@ShizukaRose]

Please stop perpetuating the lie that Jamaicans created hip hop...thank you Snips for correcting that lie. Hip hop was birthed from American soul/funk.

[@P-DAPS]

Ur wrong, hip hop was definitely derived from Jamaica #FACTS

[@DuttyRockb]

DAPPA DON yup the toasting aspect .. and a lot of the greats and early pioneers were Jamaican or had Caribbean parentage or where from yard

[@sexyrose93]

ShizukaRose Jamaican toasting was heavily influenced by Black American radio disc jockeys of the 1940s & 1950s.

[@sexyrose93]

To say that DJ Kool Herc brought Jamaican toasting the United States is false. Rhyming over a beat and toasting already existed within Black American culture wayyy before Jamaicans came to the states.

[@sexyrose93]

Hip-hop was also birthed from Disco music.

[@jessewilliams7863]

One thing everyone needs to realise is the Americanisation of the world, I can't truly blame Americans for not accepting the UK or other culturally different rap, when their own music and way of life is so popular and considered a global norm. You can draw parallels with how English is the most common language in the world, and how intolerant and bad British people are of other languages.

[@yosephthagod2445]

This is an interesting discussion. Me being American the biggest turnoff about U.K. Rap or grime is there accent. It's not appealing to our ears.

[@abdulkadirali96]

I don't know man I'm American and I thought Giggs killed KMT. But I got an opened mind when it comes to Hip Hop and I've heard a couple UK rap battles on YT, so I didn't think it was too out there, for me to enjoy. I also liked him on No Long Talk.

[@kstar4456]

But its just an accent they are still speaking English

[@kwabsbaptiste102]

Yoseph tha god you guys have an accent you're speaking our language English 😂😂

[@dugebuwembo]

Yoseph tha god what Hmmmm please America needs to move on and open their ears.

[@MissEllaa100]

listen to Aj tracey, dave, j hus and mist and if you don't like them then idk

[@wiseguyzentertainment3478]

We complain about America not liking Uk rap. But how many people follow or like American soccer. If it's not premier league . Most don't want to know.

[@user-tn6fg2du6v]

The white guy is right and he's unbiased, we copy a lot and for some reason we think we made it up lol . The most original genre imo is early 2000s grime and the j hus and Kojo funds genre

[@sexyrose93]

The first hip-hop record "Rappers Delight" by the Sugarhill gang is based off of Funk music.

[@AirunDevon]

I wanna listen to your videos but the sound is HORRIBLE. I don't know if its that room or the mic you're using but something needs to change.

[@AirunDevon]

Emmanuel Moyosola Dude they sound like they're in a cave. Only can clearly hear the people nearest to the camera. On top of that as an American, it's hard to understand what they're saying because of the accents.

[@ORGPPL1]

Improve the sound guys

[@StylistecS]

The white guy ( couldn’t think of his name so sorry about that) schooled them on the history of hip hop. The vast majority of what is known as hip hop comes from old black American culture. That’s why older hip hop sounded like funk and old R&b. It didn’t sound like anything coming from Jamaica.

[@yes2hvn]

The white man has spoke the most facts in this video. I agree with (most or maybe all I forget) out of everyone.

[@garlandowls1134]

Kool Herc is Jamaican but he didn't play Reggae music in the Bronx because people who went to his parties didn't want to hear Reggae music. So.. I get confused when Jamaicans tell me that Reggae music birthed Hip-Hop music when the vast majority Hip-Hop records are built on funk, disco, soul and jazz sounds.

[@geromebodybags4166]

Coming from a toronto man born and raised, Canadian and American culture are waaaaaaaaay more similar to each other than Canadian and British 100 percent

[@reallife4221]

Gerome Bodybags in what way? UK & Toronto seems to have similar fashion sense/slang/integration of cultures....whats so similar about america/canada

[@geromebodybags4166]

Real Life okay there's similar slang between Toronto and uk, but you could argue that New York City or any other major American city integrates cultures too. Also there's just more other things in common like accents and general culture. The states is an hour and a half drive away from Toronto, London is more than a 7 hour flight

[@reallife4221]

Gerome Bodybags looooool u fucking pleb shorter distance doesn't mean similarly. London/Toronto has the most integration compared to any US state...even New York. u couldnt answer the question stop lying lol

[@reallife4221]

Gerome Bodybags "general cultures" is the most vague thing u could say. and accents are regional so that doesnt count. its like saying they're both in amerca

[@geromebodybags4166]

Real Life uk man just look at everything Americans do, their slang etc. A lot of Americans look at uk rappers/hip hop fans as lame because they appropriate American culture constantly. Just look at half the things you guys say in your rap (or discussions about rap) you use American slang lol. Like slang will originate in America and you take it and say it in a uk accent. Then you guys act like you're relevant in hip hop discussions globally

[@meme-cn6mv]

As a southern American , the way you guys dislike Future , Young Thug , Trap and call it mumble rap ... Is how we feel about UK Rap we can't understand it. Have you ever heard a southern American accent we Understand them just fine you don't understand the slang or accent . Future does not mumble on most of his songs . Listen to Hendricks Future does have a message he does speak on real life it's not dumb because you can't understand it . Southern artist have always gotten slack for our accent and slang . But we don't care in the words of Andre 3000, the south has something to say . U.K. RAp should adopt that mentality do you and not give a "F" what ppl think .

[@Beige187]

me me I'm confused cos that's how you Americans explain that genre..as mumble rap

[@mohamedabdi2536]

casey morrison that’s what northern Americans

[@MissMeMe343]

The white guy was on point! Hiphop is NOT Jamaican at all! It derives from funk, soul & disco and rap is a black American artform!

[@mesutozil9486]

😂😂 Drake ain't even American so I don't understand

[@sexyrose93]

Mesut Ozil Drake's father is American though.

[@JTCFC1]

Kay Flip not even close. I can tell you don't have much experience living in Canada

[@jfraz1992]

he's north american which is canada and doesn't have that annoying uk accent

[@Andre.06.07]

..... Your saying that but i say this: we dont have a english accent as our base. Thus is why we have the north american dialect. AUS, NZ, SF all have a english accent stemming from England but they have evolved and changed their accent as time went on. We never had that thus began to sound more american. Your pinpointing obvious simillarities due to region and geography. I AM SIMPLY referring to urban culture within toronto and Canada. The fact that im even defending this is laughable.

[@evilerniez]

9595113 his father is American if 1 of your parents are American no matter what country you are born in you are an American born aboard, I'm going to guess he has dual citizenship with Canada & USA

[@al3xanderjr]

Uk artists needs to put songs on u.s KZbin channels like worldstar to blow in the u.s not just link up and grm daily

[@evilerniez]

Alex Rolfe agreed they ain't even trying to reach out but idk if worldstar is looking for U.K. rappers

[@al3xanderjr]

Yeah I could see someone like cbiz blowing if he was on there

[@Dayosonic]

but they may not have the mony for world star

[@qtkeyah]

Alex Rolfe nah.. I rather go to linkup tv. I don't even touch wshh. And I rather them not blow in the US.

[@al3xanderjr]

Keyah G yeah but I'm saying to blow in the u.s they need to and why don't u want them to go u.s/worldwide

[@Andre.06.07]

im from toronto and I rate uk music because culturally we share the same. if anything we're more multicultural but thats besides the point. that said, americans find it difficult because they have strong strong national pride(which is ok). case in point: every artist leading their respected genres are from anywhere but america,

[@Andre.06.07]

Totally agreed, Also, america is huge, both continental and culturally, this translate to the urban scene as well. Most of them dont travel and are well not informed geographically. Their industry has swayed away from actually legit hiphop music. Kendrick, while good, is very average in the grand scheme of things but in this climate he is considered the next rakim or something. Its like ppl are making a big deal about canada and that so many artists are coming from there(drake, weekned,party, belly, etc) its like you can't stop talent from blowing. THe uk scene, as I have said time and time again will be the next to blow because your musical infrastructure breeds strong artist, fuck wish toronto had a infrastructure like that.

[@JORDAN4401]

Andre u ain't more multicultural

[@Andre.06.07]

in toronto, actually yes. Don't take my word for it just do your googles, toronto is technically more multicultural than london: www.metronews.ca/news/toronto/2016/05/16/toronto-the-diverse.html

[@JORDAN4401]

Londons only 40% white british

[@Andre.06.07]

ok and? im talking country to country being represented. On paper we tech are, just is what it is, no shade just stating whats public record

[@Knowledgeseeker567]

A year late ..But I actually enjoy hearing Hip Hop from the U.K and any other country outside the U.S... I actually admire the cultural similarities rather than the differences.. This debat and discussion was quite interesting and well needed

[@canadianbeylover]

This discussion was super needed and informative. I think Americans don't get it because a) The accent, even though ironic because they listen to Young Thug who has a thick Atlanta accent. 🤔 b) The slang (Which Canadians understand, specifically Toronto, because our slang is VERY similar. This is why British rappers are selling out shows in Canada) c) Respect. I feel like they don't take it seriously because most of them are still ignorant and think the UK is associated with tea/crumpets and the Queen. 🙄😂 Honestly, I'm not sure if they will ever be open minded enough to give it a chance.

[@johnappleseed8146]

canadianbeylover Young thug is from the south. Americans in the south fw that shit. England definitely has some hoods. Canada ehhh it does have hoods for sure but Toronto is nothing like American cities in terms of crime if you look at stats, which is why some Americans don’t take them seriously bc they can tell they aren’t the image they are portraying. All this being said if it bumps it bumps. Prime example of all of this: Drake.

[@gewber4045]

All americans listen to Young Thug all UK rappers associated with tea/crumpets. 🤔

[@EjnrTV]

I just hate that Everyone outside America is obsessed with what Americans think of their music. Blow up in England. We have resources just like America. Uk is not a 3rd world country like Jamaica. Why do we always seek acknowledgement from Americans? fuck dem. Blow up the whole of the UK. We've got big labels and platforms here. Why we need them. People always feel if you don't blow in America that means ur not successful. Thats bullshit. There are other markets to bring the music to. Stop seeking acceptance from America. Yes, i understand that the culture derives from there but we don't need to bumlick them.

[@TasiaIdol3Fan]

Slick Rick made classics. Isn't he from the UK?

[@kstar4456]

TasiaIdol3Fan yep

[@TasiaIdol3Fan]

Isn't Monie Love from the UK too? She got that song Monie in the middle.

[@WRA1TH.]

TasiaIdol3Fan and. MF Doom

[@arizdavid]

He was from the U.K. But grew up in the Bronx and raps in an American accent, that's why it's easy for Americans to accept him.

[@TeasaaWasHere]

I wish people would STOP trying to pull Drake Canadian card now when the nigga played American his whole career. Up until about 2 years ago he switched up to "6 God" & changed his lingo back to where it should've always been. STOP acting like he didn't rip off Black Americans for fame & just now trying to have Canadian pride. Black Americans put Drake on & molded him, so please stop the frontin'. And y'all are taking Americans saying they don't understand too technical. I legit don't think Americans talking about their accent opposed to the actual rap verse/lyrics. I might not be able to understand wtf Young Thug saying on Drake song "Ice Melts" but I do know that nigga flow with the beat nice af. The British Rappers on More Life (No Shade) just don't have that rhythmic flow even if they're speaking gibberish or spitting actual bars, it's like you can tell they were out their element & don't normally use those type of beats. I root for all black people so I'm happy the British rappers got some exposure in America & hope they can crossover. I only watched the first 5mins of the vid so that's all I'm commenting on.

[@815revanes]

Look put it this way I'm from Chicago... and I'm a vet .... if been in combat numerous of times ... gun fights not in a tank , or long cannon type shit ... infantry right ... look iv seen more people die in in my hood then on 3 tours combined..... yall just dont get it

[@dansimpkins7933]

I'm from Lincolnshire, there's not many people from a Caribbean or African back ground here there's eastern europen n Asian but mainly white, we don't have gang signs, it would be strange for us to talk like you so imagine if say myself (for example) gave you a grime track with a Lincolnshire accent but I've seen n live in a place where there's a lot of violence n drugs? Gotta ask yaself would it be accepted by grime scene even if it's true what was being said and the music was shit hot? This is probably how the US is viewing it? I've sent u a taste I've new album haha I'm joking. Great discussion btw 😀

[@trillhomie8322]

I'm from the Dallas Ft Worth area in Texas and me and my partner fucks with wanna know by Dave ft drake. Coming from a perspective as a Black American, it's not about not respecting your music ppl that live in urban communities has their own local music just like u guys. For example like I said I'm from Texas and growing up if u weren't from Tx and u weren't speaking my lingo or slang I couldn't rock with it. And it's the same thing as a man from New York they probably feel the same. So I hope ppl don't think we're not respecting y'all because it's not, hell i didn't like New York music until I got older. Another thing drake is from Canada so it would make since that he would branch out. I'm not a big drake fan but most ppl in America that likes drake are not huge hip hop fans for the most part and Drake is definitely a pop artist. Keep riding y'all wave y'all don't need our validation. It's a lot of bs coming out, out here because of radio, media, and corporations. Radio honestly doesn't give a damn what u like. I hated certain songs and after hearing it repetitively I started liking it. The direction music goes is pushed by a agenda to keep Black Americans killing each other. So y'all are probably better off staying away from our lane because most those ppl are fake and sell outs that drop ignorant shit. Stay up out there

[@akim15]

Can we just establish a few things... Drake is using TORONTO SLANG on More Life. He is not trying to sound British. Nor do phrases such as "ting" and "wasteman" derive exclusively from the U.K lol. For instance "blem" is Toronto slang for being high / drunk. Secondly, Views and More Life aren't albums designed to cater to the U.S market. Therefore, its not surprising that Americans aren't feeling the U.K vibe on More Life. Theyre probably not feeling the Torontonian influence either.

[@canadianbeylover]

A.K Honnz Agreed. I laughed sooo hard when one of the girls on the panel said "Skepta must've wrote that line for him" and the girl with the dreads said "Yeah. He must've. How does he use it in its right context?" ..... BECAUSE WE USE SIMILAR SLANG IN TORONTO TOO. It's not rocket science. 😂😂😂😂 He's not saying "Bruv, peng, buff, donny, pattern" and all that other shit... he's using ting, man like, blem, jheeeze, ends etc which all come from JAMAICA. Didn't know Brits could be as ignorant as Americans. You learn something everyday though. 😂🤦🏽‍♀️

[@Beige187]

A.K Honnz Drake only started using that slang after he met skepta

[@mW25232]

@@Beige187 exactly

[@dansimpkins7933]

I think we missing something here, we as British people have years of accepting what's been force fed us from the US, people that listened to hip hop were more or less hearing it on radio or before then were tran spotting vinyl junkies buying from the US. However what this was going on, the working class of UK black and white cities were listening to techno, house, reggae, together in a class together when that collides....you get new wave ska, mostly whites going crazy for northern soul, drum n bass,/jungle, U.K.g so in n so fourth because our cutlure is shaped differently to the US If we used this play form to show the bastard child of this beautiful accidental bastard child it be accepted and taken more seriously for a different genre rather than trying to be traplike....I seen more US ppl react to more positively to grim sounding tracks from U.K. Than uk tracks sounding US. We also have a nation that is a technological don in the world only just accepting football where as a the rest of the world has been since the birth of the US. I think there's a big problem of acceptence to difference in US to The UK

[@mylesbrown5913]

I want all my U.K. bredren to know I'm an American been fucking with The U.K. music scene for a minute and I love your culture, Grime mc's have some of the illest beats and most innovative flows out, Americans will catch on eventually.

[@SwaggaWorldInc]

I don't even care what they sayin...I'm just here for the sexy brown skin ting with the ripped jeans. Camera person knows what it is....

[@Nashtream]

I totally agree that americans find it very hard to listen to and grasp UK rap/grime artists, and I don't particularly expect them to. However I found the sheer waffle being spoken in the backlash to the Giggs tracks was typical ignoramus american behaviour. Most listeners didn't even give it a chance. Personally I like Giggs but (especially nowadays) find him very hit and miss with his songs. Those two verses on More Life definitely weren't him at his best but also weren't as bad as they're being portrayed. I didn't find either song any good anyway (in fact the only track I liked on the project was the Kanye feature) but admittedly I'm not really a fan of Drake.

[@cammy944]

What that white brudda said about us not bigging up shit UK artists is sooooooo true we need to stop gassing up these shit artists and Big up the real ones.

[@kwabsbaptiste102]

Cameron l 10 l the uk rap scene is better than America the best rapper in the world is English wretch 32 drakes not a good rapper like most American rappers he just sounds good

[@luvuyomazibuko2430]

I love you guys. I wish there was new material.

[@redsiberian]

Most Americans fuck with British rappers and definitely understand them its just very few of them are actually good.

[@sexyrose93]

Savannah Ansari Not true.

[@champagnefroggy3801]

Unknown A Lol

[@kwabsbaptiste102]

Savannah Ansari if you listen to English rap then you would know that it's much better than American rap the best rapper out there is wretch 32

[@kwabsbaptiste102]

Unknown A and wretch 32 for me he raps about real issues not as much as low-key and akala but he also has so many punchlines everywhere for me he's the best rapper out there

[@Rio-uv1gs]

As a man who moved from South London to Toronto..Toronto and London in terms of west indian influence are similar..Any of the slang that Drake uses isnt stolen from London..(Man dem, bwoy dem, link up, dun know, bless, ting ard, szeen, fam etc etc all these slang terms are in Toronto..When I reached Toronto from London in the early 90s the slang was very similar and im from Balham/Brixton...and i came toronto and hung with mans from Jane,weston rd, Eglinton and keele, lawrence, jungle tanridge etc...Now Toronto is also very multicultural so there are other vibes here too and the U.S. influence is obvious and heavy...You can tell the vibe in songs from Drake, Tory lanz, Partynextdoor, The Weekend....(The artists in England that are nice are Giggz, Skepta, Bonkaz , Stormzy, Bugzy Malone, Abracadbra -dun talkin, Doneo, Wstrn/Angel, S.a.S, (There's probably more but these are ones that stand out)

[@stillwaters9620]

everyone is forgetting that the English language is the most widely spoken language in the world. English songs are the most popular sales wise. English is also a multi faceted language and the first language of UK us Jamaica. etc. England colonised more than half the world. and it's doing it musically. however back to the subject. I'm Jamaican English and I feel drake is apprioating my culture and life. we should appreciate culture not apprioate it. we are on the brink of UK rap finding it's feet. we didn't have a voice before. props to drake for being conduit for all these cultures that I feel is the biggest achievement of his career

[@rakimmeh7345]

How is he appropriating it and not appreciating it? Im Jamaican as well but in all honesty i think he has made a few more people take notice of Jamaica and I think it just shows how influential Jamaicans are.

[@Kyky01010]

Drake has his stans but also people who listen to him and underground rappers as well and I'm sorry Giggs verse was NOT good lol

[@kwabsbaptiste102]

Kyky 101 giggs verse was not lyrical but it sounded fine drake isn't a good rapper he just sounds good America has a limited amount of good rappers the rest just sound good English rappers are a lot better than most Americans the best rapper out there is English wretch 32

[@magiccheeks]

Sorry not to get too involved in such non issues of the the world, BUT when has Canadian culture EVER been more similar to British than American??!! Stop begging it for the sake of your point. Canadian culture is more like American culture get over it. (Face palm)

[@canadianbeylover]

Miss A. De Jonge You're completely wrong. Black Americans and Canadians are completely different. To start, Americans had slavery and Canadians didn't. Meaning all black Canadians are first and second generation Africans and Caribbean's. Secondly, in Toronto we have a huge population of Jamaicans.... which eventually rubbed off on the talk. Whagwan, blem, bait, blesss, ahlie, vex etc all come from JAMAICA. Which is used in Toronto as slang. I don't give a fuck about when Drake started using it, it was ALWAYS used in our city before or after he started rapping. Since the 80's. There is plenty of proof online. We don't have to prove anything to you.

[@magiccheeks]

Maybe you should live or spend some time in England before you compare, I could say more but I don't care that much especially since I'm from England and have travelled which is why I know what I'm talking about.....I will say this though, America and Canada ARE different however, they are more similar to each other than Canada is to England.

[@simplysimon1918]

I fucks with grime 100% it also got me into afrobeats

[@nialltilston9283]

Americans rap and the English create grime music two totally different cultures so why are the Americans saying rap is American and English or anyone country won't be the same jeeze

[@roscolewis4538]

I'm from America and Ima keep real I fucks wit U.K. rap heavy now, but at first I couldn't understand them, but when I started understanding it, its some of dopest music I've ever heard. Giggs and Fredo are 2 of my favorite rappers ever now, I relate to them and that was another thing about the U.K. I never thought I can relate to them but now that I understand we have the same struggles.

[@bofhead92]

good convos keep it going

[@magiccheeks]

AND the reason why a lot of black British people use Jamaican slang is because their family is from Jamaica!! or just the Caribbean in general its not just like they just decided to start talking like that, their mums and dads talk like that so obviously they're going to pick it up (face palm again!)

[@hafarsalim5533]

Miss A. De Jonge what about the white asain non jamaican black

[@EjnrTV]

HipHop is a beautiful thing doe. There are so many different type of rap music here today. Its great i embrace it. This is what HipHop is all about. Forever innovating and bringing something new.

[@dayko1329]

Things resonat with people different. A kid can splash paint on a canvas and stamp on it, you could hang it in a gallery and it'll inspire someone.

[@robbiebalboa]

That Australian dance hall anology, 😂 its funny cause it's true.

[@CCGW0RLD]

I just checked out your channel, dopeeeeeee, stay blessed !!!

[@MRAAng-on2jg]

I was born in London (south) and then moved to Toronto when I was 12, and I can say that there are a lot of similarities between both cultures especially in urban communities. Of course there are differences though

[@vladimirdame3854]

definitely have mics next time please, aside from that good to hear some mixed views with mr. context aka snips

[@nocks617]

Someone from south-west london here. Anyway, i always saw grime as our little way of saying "we can spit bars too" and even if it didn't blow up in America, we'd still be banging that shit out. Also, if you think that mumble is all that america has to offer, then you need to check out some of their underground rappers. Same goes for Americans thinking that Stormzy and Giggs is all that the UK has to offer. Seriously, people like krept and konan, wiley, Akala and Ghetts aren't really noticed nowadays.

[@gramstv8034]

I'm just glad someone said it. I bet you 100% that if a UK rapper were to bring out an American rapper in a show the UK fans would be calling him "WET GUY" "WET AMERICAN". But I feel like the UK gets its trends from America and then try's to copy it and make it shit. Like the UK has been trying to copy Americans music since the 90's. I just wish this video got more views from a UK audience so they know the truth.

[@moeyusuf9651]

That white guy was spitting straight facts was very unbiased enjoyed his views on U.K. And American rap

[@rakimmeh7345]

Just realizing how influential Jamaica is for a tiny ass island.. land of wood and water

[@idm8833]

only UK rapper we fuck wit in the states is slick rick

[@kstar4456]

Kuhlmans Calixte open your eyes and ears then and you will see plenty of talent

[@idm8833]

Zip it up don't take me serious. .. I'm sure there is lol

[@karljordan19]

The U.K. Don't need acceptance it's home grown talent we are taking over fuck mumble rap. We have our own unique slang. Keep it British 🇬🇧🇯🇲👊🏽😎 Young MA used 67 bars pull up skiiirrrtt lol.

[@bubbles12356]

It comes down to this we ain't kool enough yet, nothing more nothing less.

[@brandonstokes2782]

Wait...so what your saying is because drake is from Canada, that makes his music Canada or U.K. Sound? Drakes platform was American based he has said it himself that he's changed from so far gone. His musical sound is American. At what point did his sound become anything different from US until a little now on more life?

[@soulwater0315]

Shitt I'm Mexican American and I fuck with all the UK rappers on drakes playlist 🔥💯

[@HeadleyDuncan]

Australian reggae artists that learned from sean paul, lol, rap is all over the world now. i grew up on hardcore 90's rap and with family in canada, jamaica, london, you get exposed to tons of different artists. for me i got put on to UK rap from canada and UK crime movies. now you have a rapper like drake that grew up in canada and picked up culture and slang from all the places he traveled and with his acting experience picked things up even more. so the new album is z100 pop, cali, houston, nyc, toronto, london

[@joniqitu]

Let's talk about the elephant in the room. Giggs is way way past his prime. But he stays relevant in the scene which is why is that grew up with him still listen to him today. But for a new listener especially outside the U.K.

[@kevinbean7140]

Brits shouldn't be that concerned that they're not being accepted by Americans yet!! It took a while for the West Coast and Down South rappers to get respect from the East Coast!!! This always happens when a new style of the genre comes along!!! They'll accept you one day!!!!

[@EjnrTV]

If UK rappers wanna blow in the US they gotta promote their shit on US rap platforms like Worldstar, Audiomack, Rap Genius etc.

[@user-tn6fg2du6v]

From what I know , "bashment" doesn't exist , that is U.K. Slang . Bashment is a party and a Jamaican term . Dancehall is the genre vybz would fall into and a sub genre of reggae in my opinion

[@Showerman06]

The real question is, why do we care if they like it or not?

[@kingluga8987]

drake's building the bridge for grime to be more accepted in hip hop... UK accent is just harder to understand

[@wtfMYRONL]

Giggs didn't do his best on those tracks

[@GiullarediDio]

Every time anyone else gets a word in, Snips interrupts to make another long speech.

[@SI-cd7xs]

he's the only one speaking facts he understands hiphop most british ppl dont

[@PappPolo773]

Who would think that the White dude is the one spitting the most facts on a Hip Hop panel with all Black people lol. Shout out to White homie.

[@theenwaamaka7449]

I think it boils down to the accent . For me, I was raised in Ny and on NY hip hop music. What attracts me to a artist is flow, bars, technique and the gritty east coast accent. What personally turned me off from giggs verse was a combination of his accent and flow

[@NUFC---ACAB]

Americans have no flow. they mumbling and using auto tune

[@SI-cd7xs]

@@NUFC---ACAB americans invented flow you clown get out your feelings.

[@StylistecS]

samsung s7 stop making it seem that mumbling has always been part of the history of the genre here. It also is rapidly dying down in America. Just like drill did. Just like snap did. All dads that lived about 3-4 years.

[@wtfMYRONL]

what mic you using? so I don't make the same mistake as you

[@riccorich]

hiphop over time has evolved mainly from inspired influence and various interpretation. NY string the trend back in the 70s and over the yes each area of the country(USA) the west coast contributed with the gangsta rap is a good example, being a game changer in history, where rap music was perceived as a ghetto party music to something beyond the party scene..... The US South interpretation was in beats and brought the mannerisms and their own twist to the genre. ... I believe Grime and other elements of grime is the same way.

[@ShowUtd]

omds ITS SIMPLE THEY JUS DONT LIKE OUR ACCENT.

[@mesutozil9486]

Lool it's hard to debate against someone with so much knowledge as snips

[@People-Business-And-Ideas]

21:00 EVERYTHING HE'S TALKING ABOUT HAPPENED WITH THE ROCK & ROLL GENRE. IT WAS CULTURALLY APPROPRIATED BY ARTIST LIKE ELVIS. THE REST IS HISTORY.

[@edgardotorres8479]

English rap is getting recognition now, because the music is getting better.

[@trustNchrist1]

UK artist should come to america and kick it with americans and see the origins

[@trustNchrist1]

also drake made it by impersonating the Houston tx rap scene and the south and he from canada

[@kennyg8083]

It's very simple. We don't like the way you guys sound rapping point blank! You all sound the same and it doesn't sound right. In Canadian and American rap culture, voices are unique, can I get a witness?? 🙌

[@illmatic9295]

lmao this comment is so funny, every UK rapper has their own flow......they don't sound alike at all. Whereas most American rappers sound the exact same. You are so nationalistic to the point in which you're delusional. Even Americans know your rappers all sound the same with their style of rapping and that repetitive mumble type of shit. *coughs* Snoop Dogg said that in a very popular interview himself. I feel that in this current era, UK rap (Grime) is much better lyrically in comparison to American Rap but not every song is great. Whereas most of your music is only popularised due to the beats and production of the tracks e.g. bass drop...without that provocative hype your music would actually be trash. And lyrically speaking most of your rappers are ultimate trash. Few exceptions such as Kendrick, J Cole, Childish Gambino, Chance, Joey Badass etc.....and those are the rappers that we give light to and are rated in the UK. It says a lot about the music we make popular because we like rap with good lyrics and a good flow. Unlike Americans. However, If we were speaking on rap back in the late 90s/ early 2000s, American hip hop was what we all shared and listened to as it was actually good at the time.

[@kstar4456]

Sonny Brown doesn't make sense my friend

[@kennyg8083]

illmatic I'm speaking in terms of actual voice not lyrics. We don't like the way U.K. Rappers sound sorry, Drake tried to put them on but it failed. Ed Sheeran is great though (:

[@kwabsbaptiste102]

Sonny Brown you obviously don't listen to uk rap then uk rap is a lot better than American rap in terms of lyrical rappers the best rapper out there is wretch 32

[@kennyg8083]

MR NICEGUY Brits really want U.K. Rap be be validated by Americans but we don't care for it, sorry.

[@riccorich]

I don't think using drake More Life is not the best example to compare a success of grime in North America.... I believe that more likely has to come from a established Grime rapper who can crossover here in the US. .

[@dansimpkins7933]

Lyrical content, melody, simple hooks, image, atmosphere, rhythm etc etc are all appealing....however it's media money and control that are controlling what we hear see accept and follow we all have a choice but but I think it's the same as most things today in all walks of life even if we were talking what we eat currently....chorizo, pulled pork fucking sandwiches lately ain't it? I've never enjoyed main stream music whatever it is not to rebel but for most part it's a watered down version I've been listening to years before on the underground scenes. Andddd most raves I went to back in day we'd go mad for a new sound n go get a drink when a Stilton track were to be dropped so it's not about what we were are fed but for some of us.

[@stillwaters9620]

All the best artist represent their cultures authentically

[@shi5774]

How about AllTalkvideo have some Black American perspectives on the show? I think the discussion would be more productive and helpful.

[@CoreyJTomlin]

Not trying to rip on Drake, but Giggs was superior to Drake on both tracks in my opinion. He made the tracks more interesting and brought both the tracks to a higher level.

[@EjnrTV]

I like this discussion

[@brnju3199]

nike is an american brand lol

[@arizdavid]

The white dude knows his shit. Respect from NY

[@six-o-deezo1753]

how can you say Americans don't respect British culture you can't just stereotype all Americans because some actually do but you stereotyping people like that would actually make them not want to even try and what if I said British people didn't respect American culture I wouldn't know because I haven't been there to actually have proof and find out.

[@michellewilliams3815]

Young Twist

[@jasebarnes2027]

What does ting mean? I liked the British artist in it, they all went hard, particularly the rappers. Lol the biggest thing I have a problem with was drake trying to act like he was British

[@leon5248]

thing.

[@samvelour3388]

thing(s)...or girl(s)

[@JoseRizzal93]

Uk slang and Toronto slang are very similar, when drake says "ting" he's trying to sound British lol

[@Dayosonic]

own

[@ellymay4844]

agree. His accent on No Long Ting makes me cringe. At least Giggs and Skepta aren't trying to sound like they're from across the Atlantic, lol

[@maliking5836]

They're saying that is the first time uk linked with USA what about giggs and waka and Dave and drake

[@EjnrTV]

49:29 There was no real promotion for Tyga's album he was going through his trouble with Young Money. he had label issues. so if the he had pushed the album and had a hit song that album would of done better. you got to remember Tyga isn't Beyonce that can drop an album without promotion and get a massive amount of sales. He's a one hit wonder in a way (even though he's had more than one). There are artists out there that have good albums and barely get any sales!

[@stillwaters9620]

you need to do a phone in

[@Andre.06.07]

initially(10yrs) ago I found the uk accent hella hard to listen to especially when I would listen or at the time, attempt to listen, to grime. now its fine and its no big deal. the accent isnt even that strong. im well aware that every country has their regional issues, ghettos, slang etc, welcome to human nature. americans have a hard time grasping that concept, hence why countless american rappers got robbed in london back in the day. Same thing used to happen here in toronto.

[@BunziD]

Estelle is now in an American to serires called Empire.

[@jfraz1992]

imo the uk artists was dope but i can't get past the accent sometimes and the slang is totally different to understand

[@yurp7903]

Giggs was shit on the verse ngl his bars was weak drake should of feature someone like buggy malone, or just keep septa only