Drama Time - The Misunderstanding

[@endybendy5699]

If guild leaders were more willing to just be like "hey, I don't think you're a fit for our guild, good luck in the future though" 90% of these dramas could be avoided.

[@dorbie]

Think about what you just said... take your time. Where would those other players go? They form or join other guilds with lower standards. So this already happens, and is the current situation.

[@cas6382]

@@dorbie someone joining or making a guild with these kinds of people will of course still happen but he's right good guild leadership just removes that asap before it causes problems. If people overall instantly stopped that behavior those losers would either learn to control themselves in some environments or just quit the game. The latter is of course more likely but neither will ever realistically happen so it's more of a thought experiment.

[@dorbie]

@@cas6382 Those people will always form guilds it's a zero sum game. You're not eliminating shitters just forming tiers and it already happens. Higher skill more discriminating guilds exist. You also have Tier 1 and tier 2 teams in guilds where shitters still have a home.

[@joshuagodwin8565]

Love what you do Preach, these drama stories in particular keep me going on my barely legal 24hr shifts

[@Tobizard1]

Wtf do you do my man

[@joshuagodwin8565]

@@Tobizard1 EMT. Most states regulate down to 12hr shifts now but Georgia still let's you pull 24s. 24 on, 48 off

[@nicedreams7192]

@@joshuagodwin8565 AFAIK my state (Illinois) still allows the 24hrs for EMT/Fire as well. Thanks for your work lad.

[@TheTobiasandersen95]

in the words of juju (judge judy) *AHEM* "If it doesn't make sense, it's usually not true."

[@jonathonrobinson6081]

Newtonian liquids aren't true?

[@Daniel4KC]

I've noticed the weather where I live often lines up with the weather where you live Preach. Shout out from the Appalachian Mountains of Virginia!!!

[@mikecupples1234]

I literally just sat down to play wow and this was the 1st video that popped up on my feed... I mean thats like looting a weapon off sire.

[@livebythews]

Hell is other dps. Aww yes, I see you have encountered one of our Ragnaros brethren

[@cashnelson2306]

"I'm not a bad guy. I play Alliance paladin" sure

[@cas6382]

I've mained a belf Paladin since TBC so apparently I'm like chaotic good I guess

[@CaptainIcebeard]

I take offense. I play Alliance paladin, and I'm a good guy!

[@Kiwicrack]

FROM Stormrage TO Area 52? Like going from a vat of acid to a vat of ...differently colored acid.

[@JC-ok4yx]

In my experience, when I have pugged a raid that did better than my regular heroic group it was because a certain guild needed a couple of people to help them on their run. The entire group wasnt a pug, only a couple of people.

[@sunayocarissime5309]

I would have been tempted to say to Pinata, "the butt-hurt is strong in you young bubble boy." 🤣

[@magdabrownis265]

It hurts my soul that someone is gay enough to say this

[@sunayocarissime5309]

@@magdabrownis265 =/....uh sorry your over inflated ego is bruised?

[@MrJustinArt]

@@magdabrownis265 Coming from someone who uses "gay" as a derogative in 2021. "People who live in glass houses", my guy.

[@kurisutihart8386]

This Pinata dude needs a bop of his own

[@cas6382]

Hey so huge tip here to making your gaming experience better: If someone joins your guild and immediately starts acting racist, sexist, or realistically any kind of prejudice that influences their decisions to treat people like shit just kick them. If you don't have the power to kick them and the officers won't do it themselves just leave.Look, trust me I know it's a pretty crazy concept but hey I'm apparently a pretty complex thinker.

[@shadowzeal]

I did this in classic. It took 70+ guilds before I found one that wasn’t like this.

[@cas6382]

@@shadowzeal I need to get my butt in gear and write it up as a Drama Story but I had the absolute worst experience with asshats that ended up killing my enthusiasm for Classic WoW. My entire time playing over 2 servers, multiple guilds, and both leveling and playing at 60 I was continuously ripped off for loot, mistreated by toxic people, and really anything in between. I've played since actual vanilla so I had seen my fair share of toxicity but this was some next level and widespread shit.

[@shadowzeal]

@@cas6382 I had a similar experience. I think people wanted to take the hardcore route on a very easy game. Was weird. I was done after 4 weeks of raiding. Should submit your story, I bet a lot of people would relate.

[@motox20]

Got my blanket, pillow and popcorn. All set.

[@SirNikurasu]

54:08 HOLY SHIT I LOVE THAT GUY Actual peak human, I love it

[@dinovash1362]

44:39 And Shadowlands...

[@Nr4747]

Normal Sunking was actually insanely overtuned (at least for large raid groups) in week 1. We were 28/27 (one person had to leave later) players and if everyone except the main tank soaked the Flame Strike ability, it would still do around 90-95% of everybody's full healthbar in immediate damage, followed by another 40-50% in unavoidable damage ticks over 3 seconds and at least 2 ticks of the flame patch that you needed to run out of (that ticked once per second) for around 30% health per tick. So, if the ability didn't target someone with an immunity, you either had to let that person die or you had to heal the entire raid (minus the MT) for around 250% of their entire healthbars while also healing the boss. Appearently, this was a scaling issue for large raid groups and not a problem in small groups of 10-15 players at all. And yes, we did, of course, combine personal cooldowns and raid cooldowns for those soaks, but it still wasn't even close to being enough.

[@filipmanov8951]

Hair starting to look real nice

[@shawnmeade7251]

@Return to the Old World Are we all evolved chia pets?

[@cas6382]

His hair is starting to look great! Also, +1 for the Rin Shibuya profile pic she's #1 best girl from that anime and to any raging Canadians no I don't want to stick my weiner in her:)

[@Millea314]

Regarding pugging being further than guild progression, it comes down to the amount of time you spend. You can spend 30 hours a week in a pug, but only 6 with the guild.

[@hristopavlov298]

The holy paladin in the 2nd story is a total clown, lmao

[@cas6382]

I've mained a belf holy/ os ret paladin since TBC and from my experience holy palys are nearly always either huge memers or insecure emotional wrecks. I like to believe I'm the prior but I've seen tons of both LOL

[@DarthDeity666]

Heh, this first story is my early Ulduar experience back in wotlk.

[@Fleato]

nearly the same sort of thing happened to me as the first story except i was the raid leader... who the gm kept saying to me he wanted the guild to be a solid mythic prog guild and yadda yadda.... but then would tell everyone anything they wanted to hear until the joined so eventually the whole raid team disliked me as i would try to get us to prog and they jsut like didnt want to do anything that would help the team at all. so my co raid leader and i decided to part ways with the guild after yet another week being hard stuck on conclave tribunal heroic for a month...... of course the gm was talking shit about us and what not after we left, then he tried to dox an account of mine he had the info to ( some shitty other game launcher i didnt care about that he tried to tell everyone that he hacked) then he kept saying my friend and i were actually trash. which was okay... because we were both CE a month later XDDD

[@Sourman1545]

bit of an odd opinion but aside from cata bfa was my fav expansion, not due to the actual expac but the people I was playing with. Only proves the best things can be spoiled by toxic experiences while the worst things can be made wonderful by those around you

[@bigmanbedda]

first time i think i know what the guild was from a story, least i know why the name was changed for them now xD

[@maddy02_]

just sat down with a bowl of food and ready to listen to some drama 😍

[@Tyberes]

Quick comment on the first story. "all but 1 of our core raid team went to the new guild" is a flat out lie.

[@Scruffed]

Were you in that guild?

[@knots9119]

Why do you think that’s outlandish

[@Tyberes]

@@knots9119 it's not outlandish I was there

[@alittlebirdi]

Lol my raid guild just left Alliance on Stormrage for Horde on Area 52. Is that popular a thing to do?

[@CaptainIcebeard]

People in PUGs often have a better mindset for progression, whereas many guild members may think they're heroic raiders, but they're not really. I'm in a guild with people I like, but less than half the raid team is fit for heroic.

[@tomn8932]

11: 58 If by hardcore you mean masochistic , then yes, pugging heroics is the most hardcore thing to do.

[@pmkaboo2446]

my very first guild somehow got stuck at normal kilrog in hfc. after two weeks of doing nothing but reclearing the first 4 bosses and wiping on kilrog, i decided to pug, cleared nm in one night and progressed heroic for another month, when i was done, the guild still didnt have normal finished and then disbanded soon after. now that i think about it, there was also a huge red flag shortly after i joined, when the main tank ragequit the game after i pulled some trash, as a tank. apparently in his mind he was the only one allowed to pull. lucky for me, the rest of the guild did have some brains, not enough to get through normal hfc, but enough to not listen to his nonsense.

[@theturtleking4205]

It feels like the bit with pinata could have been solved with just a bit of conflict resolution from the officers.

[@massPanic22]

Piñata could have been solved by kicking the salty ass

[@LolSpecLol]

Guilty for not leaving with the girl when the emoting incident happened, if I had a GM who didn’t immediately kick for that I’d be gone so fast 💨 huge red flag on both the guild and the author

[@hirotashi]

DAT HAIRLINE BROOOOO GET IN THERE!!!

[@ahote1028]

Sometimes it snows in April - Prince

[@blackblade99009]

the description of the gm before they formed a new guild in the first story sounds way to much like my old alliance gm.

[@Etzlo1]

the pugging out of guild, is more about time really

[@cashnelson2306]

yeahhhh there's a lot of that first story missing lol

[@smashi4088]

1st guy is absolutely massively guilty

[@francoisevrard3655]

Looks like you were right

[@Scruffed]

I've played with several guilds that had several women in them, and I'm happy to report I've never seen such stupidity and harassment against them taking place. Lots of simping maybe, but never meanness or mistreatment. The worst I saw was one being called the c-word after she was gratuitously aggressive and immature towards someone who had said nothing to her (he later apologised and they're friends now).

[@cas6382]

I've played alongside a considerable amount of female players and had multiple women as guild leaders or as officers and in all my time playing since Vanilla I've had to deal with 2 absolute bitches. I actually even remember them very specifically even though I haven't dealt with them since very early MoP. I haven't encountered that much simping either since I learned very early on that if you encounter batshit crazy people it's best to just ditch them and that mentality kinda cuts out a lot of the risk/crazy factors.

[@floodwaters8887]

Lets face it 80% of RL's / officers just love the power

[@kodi5384]

Imagine having the energy to hold a grudge for that long. I can't even stay mad at people even if I want to. Just thinking about it makes me exhausted.

[@acheronus1998]

I legit couldn't breath for 5 minutes from LOLing so hard at Mike's guild name suggestion at 54:05. I love Drama Time xD

[@retu999]

The raid leader was really bad in the first story, but the biggest fault for the death of the guild was the officers and the GM. Start raid leading yourself (at least temporarily) and / or find a new raid lead!

[@samiches4500]

It's that eyeliner?

[@rainfordev]

nice hair preach!

[@lustreaux]

ok varimathras mythic was such a piece of shit fight if u were even a pixel off doing the dance it was an extra add and likely a wipe. it wasn't "kill the man"

[@aarondiehl301]

Gotta love Bex hehe

[@Kayvel54]

ffs why Area 52, we have enough people...

[@Chernogorath]

My fellow Tauren Pally bro, you have Allies

[@v1tnir]

Tauren begone, Undead rise up

[@BruceWillis57]

“An organized guild of people SHOULD do better than a pug” In theory yes, but theirs a huge category of players that are too dogshit to get into actual good pug groups, so the only people that’ll take em are absolute dogshit guilds that don’t have aotc 5months into a tier yet lmao

[@MrDladen23]

2 nights for heroic zul was not that bad. If the guild is freaking out over 2 nights on H Zul, then thats a good problem to have

[@TheXxemarosaxx]

Pugs are better due to taking performance over guildies who may not be as good but you stick with them cause your friends. Pugs cut the fat

[@juliannorton100]

1st story didn't provide anything of his own actions, it seems. He's hiding a bunch and pretending to be someone else.

[@KrazzyKelsie]

Stuff and things!

[@dorbie]

LOL, most guilds have their share of shitters who don't watch a preview of the progression fight and can barely out-DPS the tanks. Last time I PUG'd ahead of my guild, as a Tank, it was either much easier OR a total shit-show. Sometimes you PUG into a guild group that just kicks ass, sometimes it's a guild progression group that struggles but is capable, and other times it's a clown car.

[@serpentb0y389]

I thought you said "breeders" and i was like YEP

[@Jegethyx]

Woo drama!

[@josephandrees5381]

Shoot I'm on a52! I wanna know who this is so bad xD

[@Jvstinhw]

High five for Pinata

[@jnx4803]

Mike, guild =/= organized.

[@jasonglyle]

Heroic Zul almost killed my guild

[@EloquentTroll]

I really enjoyed BFA, but I'm the Weirdo to be sure

[@clawhammr666]

Only half way through video, things I've learned so far, chat really hates Tauren Paladins for some reason, if there's a small problem, address it right away.

[@cashnelson2306]

chat has a lot of really weird takes on class/race combos

[@theluo652]

"Heroic guilds that are worse than pugs" Sounds to me like a collection of people who wouldn't get invited to a pug. Especially if you consider a pug to represent the average wow player base...some people are below that average and just need a group of folks willing to bash their head into content in order to learn.

[@cas6382]

It's sadly pretty common from what I've experienced since I was a heroic raider for years until BFA which was when I decided to buckle up and try going harder. It was pretty commonly widespread and I kinda got indoctrinated like a Reaper thrall into dealing with it for years even though I had a much higher skillset. I don't really regret it though since I met some good friends that I still often chat with and sometimes play other games to this day even though a lot of our guild's players sucked so hard lol.

[@theluo652]

@@cas6382 Haha I've got a bunch of work friends that are TERRIBLE. I guest raid lead for them whenever they get really stuck and it's a nice happy group of guys. I can't imagine trying to weed my way through all the toxicity folks put up with in these drama stories.

[@cas6382]

@@theluo652 I've only been in about 5 long term guilds in all my time playing since Vanilla and really only the first one left me with any hard feelings. My first guild broke up since the leadership didn't want to deal with running it anymore but couldn't figure out how to communicate it to everyone so it got messy. It's another one of the stories I really need to sit down and write but out of all the players I've encountered they were so unbelievably bad. We had fun though until the end but it was a great example of the need to talk to people and not dodge issues. I learned a lot of good lessons especially the need to deal with stuff right away, talk to each other, or run away if needed so they were good experiences to have. Side Note: I really don't understand to this day how people just stand there while doing nothing mid fight and act confused when they suck lol

[@Eljamio1234]

Do they do hair transplants on the face for people that are over 30 and still can't grow a beard 🤔 Asking for a friend, obviously 🙄

[@ElPincheDruk]

still looking bald specially when turning to the side and patchy from above, great way to burn them donations on a whim lololololol

[@Elbereth_TV]

Tbf i killed him with 2 3 13 back in january

[@nikkonikkoshite]

as far as the first story, i had a girl hate my guts for being "too nice", and she turned everyone against me, so no, it might be believable he didn't do anything. some people just fucking have to find something to be pissed about.

[@siyrean]

As a classic player, is it normal for heroic guilds to go into fights with no one doing their own damn research on the bosses? Like how much hand holding do you need. At minimum everyone should have watched a KZbin boss video in their own. And they have the nerve to get mad at raid lead when they didn’t bother doing the bare minimum prep?

[@someoneelse878]

Yeah, a lot of players expect to coast on mediocre numbers and get carried. Guilds that last tend to kick those players after the first few nights of progression.

[@magdabrownis265]

Honestly I cba to be part of a guild. Myself as an Ele and a Hunter were always 1 and 2 in dmg this tier. We both quit because the gms and officers were so arrogant even though they never beat us. I don’t want to make a bunch of friends just need bodies because I can’t clone myself

[@Freestyle80]

so these geniuses 1 shot upto SLG and couldnt get past that...?Wtf Sludgefist was 10 times harder than SLG heroic and they act so offended that their 'raid leader' didnt prepare tactics for them, iTs hIs jOb, no it isnt, wow how entilted, you are telling me 0 raiders even looked at a video or wowhead? And you have someone who pugged it and he still fked the tactics? What type of guild is this????

[@cashnelson2306]

what is chat smoking. tauren is the best race available for the worst class

[@ATMorons]

Blackout curtains: $25 Complaining about the sun coming in through your window: free lol

[@Adam-uu5pt]

HALLO!

[@highrhino]

BoP has to be one of the best spells for trolling your own raid, I remember back in wrath when one of the officers switched to fury for ICC and by the time we got to Dranosh he had made a cancel aura macro for every ability because the 2 ret paladins and myself as prot would BoP him every bloodthirst that he didn't have forbearance for on trash. Although I also spent half of my time raiding ICC guildless because I got gkicked almost every raid night for bants, I think my best time was managing to get kicked during bone lord fight, but I always got invited back by the GM's GF after raid :)

[@cas6382]

I'm sure everyone really appreciated having you around lol

[@highrhino]

@@cas6382 We all trolled each other on farm raids and most of the time i got kicked silly reasons as it was just a runnin joke so im fairly certain they did.

[@Spika94]

Ngl, I got pretty annoyed at that jizz comment, so much so I had to rewind a couple minutes later because of how dumbfounded I was. I was so annoyed at that comment that I didn't even realize that Mike was still reading the story.

[@cas6382]

It actually broke my brain for a minute I had to pause the video and sit there in absolute disbelief until I rebooted like wtf

[@Feralswipes]

Who downvotes these? Lol

[@ThyFleshConsumed]

Bring back Ghost.