Drama Time - Tyranny of Niceness

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00:00​ - Intro
02:54​ - The Tyranny of Niceness
36:42​ - The Cesspool
52:04​ - Damn You Khadgar
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[@johannhowitzer]

I have a similar story. My first real guild, I joined in Cataclysm as protection paladin, and maintanked Firelands and Dragon Soul. I became an officer since the guild was new, all the other officers were awesome people. The guildmaster was a small business owner, and despite doing most of the recruiting himself, was very often busy and didn't raid much. Our officer team held up the guild for months in the GM's absence, organizing stuff and generally being awesome. Then the GM logged on one night and started making structural changes to the guild without telling anyone. We officers got together immediately and asked the GM into our impromptu meeting and asked why he was making changes, why he hadn't consulted with anyone about it. His response was simply, "It's my world, man." The entire guild removed itself from under him that evening, selected the most respected officer as our new GM unanimously, spent the evening choosing a name and tabard, and had a party in voice chat. One of the most memorable, enjoyable nights of my WoW career. Lifelong friendships were formed. In a way, we owe that self-important GM a generous word of thanks.

[@asluckdespairs]

"I dont like raiding, it breeds degenerousy" *Long pause with many changing emotions*

[@secureinactive4750]

*degeneracy

[@jeroenverschaeve3090]

No it... wait.... I mean... In our defense... okay yeah no you're right

[@0equals1ao]

@@secureinactive4750 very generace of you to correct their spelling.

[@cashnelson2306]

there is nothing funnier than army boys who flip out and threaten violence at the slightest hint of criticism

[@Pyryp2]

Good portion of them probably aren't even in the army.

[@Vaelosh466]

This happened in the Prepatch for Shadowlands too, you'd try to fly to the balcony and get dismounted 10 feet away from it. Of course it depends on your connection, my friend never got dismounted until he got to the actual invisible wall around the NPC.

[@Johnzen03]

The Tyranny of Niceness - "Beatings will stop once morale improves. It's just that easy!"

[@SignalWarden]

The "Damn You Khadger" one cracks me up because it really brings into focus how ridiculous we all are about people's character choices. Female: if you're a girl you're being an e-girl, and if you're a guy your being creepy Male: if you're a girl you're a LIAR and if you're a guy you're being boring Worgen: Furry Fem Worgen: FURRY Undead: Edgelord Warlock: Edgelord DH: EDGELORD Nelf: Simp Belf: SIMP Priest: Beta Pally: Hero in your mind Gnome: You get your mail delivered to Goldshire Panda: FURRRY Warrior: Head injury survivor Fox: FURRRRY Human: Tryhard Hunter: literal faceroll Male Spacegoat: Tryhard Fem Spacegoat: Monstrous pervert Fem dwarf: Myth It's honestly why I play a gender-neutral, Arakoan Dark Ranger, only as a healer.

[@hehhehehohohoe8807]

"Fem Spacegoat: Monstrous pervert" My brain: Yes yes.

[@MrJustinArt]

@@hehhehehohohoe8807 I understood that reference

[@EloquentTroll]

So I'm a Beta Simp E-girl? Have to check with my BF about that.

[@Tuckanuckle]

Dying with laughter. For reference I am watching on my phone - during the khadgar story you state "here is the joke guys" and at that moment I get an advert for raid shadow legends 😂 Real joke.

[@justvalor4917]

perfect timing , i needed something to keep me awake!

[@rezzy9159]

the whole vulpera conversation has me dying LMFAO

[@canuckasaurus]

The toxic "nice" guild leader story is super relatable. Mine ended up just gm + her hubby. Totally insufferable.

[@XxTaiMTxX]

The toxic "nice guild" was the first I ever joined... and I joined it in FFXIV. Insanely insufferable. It was not even a "be nice" guild. It was a "We're a PG-13 Guild, with zero tolerance for fighting and drama". Naturally, there was a lot of fighting and drama... behind closed doors. Naturally, almost nobody talked or interacted with each other in that Guild either. Except the newbie "sprouts". Only them and sometimes the "Officers". It was a lot of "walking on eggshells". I was in that guild... 2 years? 3? I forget. I was kicked last year, I think. Kicked for "zero tolerance policy". My crime? Oh, it was EGREGIOUS. I had stated, "I'm so glad this guild isn't a Hardcore Raid Guild. I never want to be part of one of those because I think it's stupid for people to schedule their fun and turn something enjoyable into an obligation and a job you pay to have." Cue fight and argument from "The Raiders" of the guild. None of them making an argument against what I'd said... Oh no. It was instead, "you are insulting Guild Members by saying that". At which point, after hearing this absolutely moronic way of thinking, the classic "You aren't allowed to have or voice an opinion if it offends someone!", I was just done. I engaged in the argument. The first and only one I ever had in that Guild. A guild where I had spent time helping out newbies, getting them started on Relics, being partners for some Dungeons (as I felt like doing) and just generally being kind to people in chat... Yeah, I was done. So, I let this idiot have it. I challenged him to prove me wrong. The argument devolved into, "You wouldn't help out people for free?!". I have no idea how we arrived at this point, but I didn't care anymore. "No, I wouldn't! If your time is worth anything to you, or ANYTHING to the person YOU ARE HELPING, then you should be compensated!". This somehow translated to the absolute brainlet that we were now talking about how helping Guildies was stupid. Before I could respond, "Guilds are different because they're a social contract where you have agreed to help others on the pretense that they will help you too.", a couple officers came in broke up the fight. No word was uttered to me. Not a whisper. Nothing. I played for another hour, but my back was in pain from sitting on my very bad computer chair, so I went to go relax with a movie or something for a while. Came back 4 hours later (I watched some anime too, sue me), and I was no longer in the Guild. Eh, okay, whatever. I could guess pretty easily and quickly why I'd been kicked out. So, I opened up Discord to quit out of their group and discovered I had been kicked from that too. Ah, good, saved me the trouble. Here's where the stupidity continues. The Guild Leader had saw fit to send me a message about the reason I was kicked and then to block any replies to me. A final middle finger to me, I suppose. An "I got the last word in!" moment for someone with a large ego and a tiny amount of sense. This wasn't just a, "you were kicked for X reason" reply. Oh no. It was a, "you were kicked for reason X, you did Y and Z and good luck with a new guild, a-hole". And, then, a couple screenshots of chat. She was attempting to provide "proof" of what I'd done wrong. But, it wasn't even the same incident. Oh no. You know what they screenshotted as proof that I was being mean and rude and terrible and needed to be kicked for what was effectively "bullying" and "offending people"? Chat logs of me explaining why I didn't participate in the weekly Guild Lotto. Why I didn't dump money into the Guild Fund for their prizes. What were their prizes? Nothing tangible. Aside from "You win 5 million Gil!". Everything was, "You get a kit to level you to max Crafting level of your choice!". Something absolutely useless to anyone who was already max crafting level. Or things like, "You get a glam of your choice from any expansion except the current one!". Which... look... I don't know what all the equipment is or looks like. I'm not running around cosplaying or anything. I'm also not going to put playing a game on hold to try to decide which "glam" I wanted. Especially when it didn't feel "earned" this way. Or, oh, you could win a $5 card for the store! So, my explanation was simply, "I'd rather it be tangible rewards, with some things I might decide I want or can't otherwise obtain, than nebulous stuff that is going to make do a ton of research to even figure out what exactly I want". Screencapped that, sent it to me. Kicked me, sent me a message of "F U" (essentially, think of the nicest way to say F U, and that's what I got), and that was it. I hadn't even been angry until that point. I knew I didn't belong with that guild anymore. Anyone who had any sense left it to join other guilds or start their own in order to do their own thing, or adhere to less strict rules. Most Raiders left it because it wasn't hardcore enough. Most people who wanted to be themselves and tell the occasional dirty joke or discuss adult topics left to join guilds that weren't PG-13. Other people left just because nobody talked or really helped each other and so had no connections to anyone in the Guild. It wasn't a guild for me. I don't enjoy walking on eggshells and having to "censor" my speech. But, I got angry when they decided to use a screenshot to justify banning me... block me so I couldn't even present a case (why else post a screenshot unless you were going to have a conversation about it? What a waste of time if you're just going to block someone!)... and THEY DIDN'T EVEN USE THE CORRECT CONVERSATION! It immediately dawned upon me that I had been in an utterly incompetent guild run by deranged people. A guild CONSTANTLY recruiting NOTHING EXCEPT children and "newbies". Their ranks were perpetually filled with both. More sprouts than veterans. 90% of their population was newbies. 30% were children. Most of the conversations they had were about mental disorders that they all had. Autism, Anxiety, etcetera. I had been in a guild where the people were basically the stereotype of Tumblr. I had been in a guild where the people were the stereotype of "The SJW". I still don't know why I was in that guild for like 3 years. My next guild was better. Well, still is better, I suppose. I like them a lot more. They're just as unhelpful, but at least we all joke around and goof off and have a good time in chat. And, hey, I help out a lot more there than I did in the last one, because the people who genuinely need/want help will ask for it and will "disband" once the job is done. So, that's the lesson. NEVER trust a guild that has "be nice" as one of the rules. "Don't be a dick" is fine. But "be nice" means you're about to inducted into a cult.

[@CantHandletheParrot]

Great stories, and you're on point, cheers :)

[@SneakyJuffoWop]

Having an internet connection is a crutch.

[@princevegeta1752]

Dude I had no idea about khadgar dismounting you back in mists either but my god was you loosing your mind fucking hilarious

[@peterparkerspiderman7875]

The Part with the Kid is awesome! I like you being that Happy Mike:)

[@jeffreymcgraw1790]

You did the newscaster voice and I laughed so hard my drink went out my nose

[@borodmislovich8239]

Right when I was going to start my homework. It's your fault I'm failing calculus, preach.

[@Kittsuera]

Yeah troll-gar was standing in the high traffic area of storm wind so lots of people got dismounted by him although most were low flying take offs so not nearly as many deaths but I recall seeing several skeletons around him.

[@grumpyoldwizard]

If you were in Vanilla, the Nax expansion spawned citadels and undead/etc. In the major cities. That was the first time. Legion was cool, but derivative .

[@4nci3nt4li3n]

I seem to have just soiled myself

[@ladnil]

Are you going to do a review of Divinity when done? It's one of my favorites, but not an unqualified favorite, it's complicated. Curious your thoughts.

[@ericknowles8755]

That was me in burning crusade after playing a good part of vanilla guildless

[@joshuagodwin8565]

Bro, same. Enhance sham over here like "Why should I stack +hit? If I stack crit my crits will make up for any misses and my windfuries will be fuckin' PHAT"

[@stingerbrg]

How's he not know about the no-fly zone? They do that for pretty much every NPC that gives the quest to start a new expansion since WoD.

[@Scrydragon]

If you're in a habit of landing or dismounting prior to getting to important NPCs, you may not know. I, myself, didn't know that there was a friggin' huge dismount zone around him until now because I was just in a habit of avoiding those NPCs.

[@NezumiTheMouse]

Preach they put up no mount zones around quest NPCs that start new expansions or prepatch quests so people cant use mounts to semi block people from getting the quest

[@CHRISTYGG]

That Northern Irish accent cracked me up!

[@nertho]

"Z Axis doesn't discriminate" is the best chat comment!

[@dwaynehusbands6960]

horse stood on Emma? pretty fucking hilarious for sure xD

[@melissas4874]

Be nice or be gone? Truthfully I act in raid how I would at work - professionally. That doesn't mean people can't joke around, but getting to know each other and boundaries is important in any cooperative relationship work or otherwise.

[@Scruffed]

Yeah but in the story it seems the only boundaries that were crossed were those of the person who's not in raid and isn't even being made fun of/joked about.

[@BlueWoWTaylan]

I did NOT expect to see a Turkish ice cream commercial here :D

[@ncrtrooper7153]

I needed the nice story

[@TheReapingKnight]

Hawk "Have you taken your joy today"?

[@MrShivshank]

>.< for like the last 3 expacs all major quest givers are no fly zones.

[@basvanderwerff2725]

not all

[@Rurouni208]

If you need to do a run of Divinty without all of those things listed at the start, just get the indestructible box and whack things with it :^)

[@VulpineDemon]

Best ending to a Drama Time.

[@George_K.]

OMG - Preach knows every class' covenant spell and remembers nearly all raid encounters' tactics since vanilla, but major NPC which is starting a whole expansion's story line being a no-fly zone for obvious reasons is somehow inconceivable. xD How many times have you found it nearly impossible to open the mailbox by the A.H.?

[@zannusx]

One of these days I will get to watch this live instead of waiting for it to show up on youtube

[@rdawg802]

@1:06:00 Mike....HOW?! How did you not know?!

[@scroom1202]

Jesus, it's like being in Soviet Russia. "All you need to be happy is to obey" Fuck that.

[@Frostydog85]

i JOINED A GUILD AS WELL AND YA IT'S GOING GREAT. :)

[@taylorlukes4810]

Lmao yeah, Invasions were kinda underwhelming. "Oh no this endless army is attacking this one zone that is completely irrelevant eh ill do it after this dungeon"

[@cas6382]

Be nice :)

[@Isdezenaambezet]

My father in law is Irish and he does say "So ye have" a lot.

[@connerestoda2733]

Can someone link the video with the story about the guy in Molten Core who convinced people Blizzard was watching. That sounds hilarious.

[@Clarkeh616]

lfr is like storming the beaches of normany, not far off like.

[@danross1038]

The historic battle of normany.

[@cornishpasty4344]

Ah yes, fearless warriors smothered in baby oil holding sharp things.

[@johnnyguillotine1673]

So... macho man Randy savage?

[@MrKoalahxd]

thrall is the reason i tried a shaman no joke

[@Epicmission48]

How has Mike never seen that every important NPC has a small no fly zone around them 😂

[@billymays9296]

No mount zone*

[@Freestyle80]

because he probably never read the text and he auto-picks all quests (so literally just clicks on npc and moves away)

[@billymays9296]

@@Freestyle80 There's no text to read though, it's pretty noticeable that you get dismounted and that there's usually a zone/light/bubble around the NPCs, or the fact that you were mounted and have to remount after talking to them, or the fact that you get an error message trying to mount next to them. It's not like you need to read a buff or anything.

[@SahajSoldier]

Did the no fly zone go all the way up tho

[@BM03]

I am in my thirties but I am still an absolute children. "Your mom's gay" shouldn't have fucked me up as much as it did. It really, really shouldn't. Not anymore.

[@Ashfro]

wait... did he mean from 'huds' IE Huddersfield

[@tomcruise6445]

I am playing wow with the wrong people

[@Kiwicrack]

Ahh man I really liked Gnomely Fans

[@GlassShark86]

That accent. Sorry to Emma because I'm 110% pregnant now.

[@ScorpionP2C]

Im confused so someone please help! Ive heard this in a few drama times but what is a smorc?

[@Adam-ed9sg]

I love Vulpera they are sick

[@NezumiTheMouse]

Nightfea shaman is the good middle ground ability as it works well on all 3 specs (it is theoretically the best for enhancement in some sims) saying this as a nightfea vulpera enhancement shaman who mostly went nightfea out of the zone looking like the Ori games

[@billymays9296]

Night Fae* not fea

[@xmhkillz]

I read the title wrong.. the 'y' is very important.. at first I thought a few more hairs on his head where not enough.

[@hardlyaaron]

Preach being grieving for his old guild breaks my heart. F

[@allerionx]

Smile :)

[@Drakshl]

That British kid was probably a fellow bradfordian or something :/. I imagine the GM just didn't understand that his "colourful" language probably was him being nice

[@scraft651]

An suddenly my night shift becomes more bareable!

[@NezumiTheMouse]

Thrall was pretty cool in Warcraft 3 then he became a Mary Sue about mid way through wow

[@MrBlake6332]

do you even know what a Mary Sue is? Thrall is the definition of unimportant and imperfect, he literally lost control of the elements because of what he did in WoD to Garrosh

[@311blowsmonkeys]

@@MrBlake6332 he means in cata prob

[@mooncat429]

The Cult of The Niceness...

[@Sergito800]

Mike is right...Trial of the Crusader did nothing wrong and i love that place

[@lukegrim3858]

I'd simp for Hawk Onee-san

[@disruptive_innovator]

Please be nice (:

[@cameronb8503]

The problem with retail is the animations and aesthetic is too fucking cartoony for me to really take a legion invasion seriously anymore. I kinda get a good feel from like TBC and classic events, because they don't have the cartoony aesthetic yet

[@TimmyC1113]

why is it when talking about furries go to worgen and valpria but no one mentions tauren, the og furry. but they are too cool to be group with actual furries

[@Hekk.]

Because when you mess with the bull you get the horns:^)

[@purbmeister]

Trall forever

[@kelyus8113]

there is a horrible humming sound coming from your microphone mike!

[@311blowsmonkeys]

sylvanas toes 💅🏻😳

[@Anivia92]

bladesedge made me almost quit Burning Crusade lol

[@avidcollector869]

whats this about moral beatings?

[@theFPbros123]

Just goes to show toxicity in games is a good thing

[@Eclipse-cd7wy]

Yeah the first story isn’t the biggest shit show that guild has seen :D

[@lollylula6399]

Klapki i skarpetki zdecydowanie są bis. Sandals and socks are definitely bis

[@SupachargedGaming]

... who joins discord for a +5? Yeesh.

[@DJ_Treu]

Third (Till i reload)

[@diegodevitti2105]

the Lock Metamorphosis memory, hit me hard in the feels

[@MasterZero99]

Vulpera = furry. LOL

[@arcady0]

In North Korea, just be nice. ;) Not nice people, work in nice patriot factory next to river by China border. Pretty ones go to China embassy. Extra not-nice people, go to bottom of river. So... just be nice. :)

[@GrandAdmThrawn]

Wait a minute....my first paladin was (still is) a male draenei. Come on Mike, it's cool!

[@blueberry5822]

Seeing preach be a good dad is 10/10

[@Knives7777]

Preach is a furry confirmed

[@azkendarken4403]

סיפור טוב מאמי חחח קרה לי משהו דומה לפני חודש ה gm מצא חברה ושיחק רק איתה רוב הזמן (והיא גם קיבלה סמכויות של gm) , ושכמה אנשים דיברו על זה היא העיפה חצי מה raiding team ואמרה שכל מי שינסה להיות toxic יעוף ישר מהגילד

[@blkillia]

I dont know about the rest of you and your Hate for the LFR. I did it last week for the first time and only wiped once and that was because the tank started with out 8 dps.

[@billymays9296]

That's why we hate LFR. It's tourist mode but makes people think they are actually experiencing the raid. It's also a massive waste of time.

[@blkillia]

@@billymays9296 It was well worth my 1.5 hrs for my low geared char just starting this expo. You guys are just babies. Tourist mode lol the whole game is tourist mode unless you are in a big guild lol.

[@billymays9296]

@@blkillia I highly doubt it was worth it, I just did it on an alt for renown catch up and got 0 items from 10 bosses, so unless you were whispering people asking them to trade you items, I highly doubt you got much out of it. And no, the whole game isn't tourist mode, but a game where you can have 30 people running around like headless chickens and still "win" and be rewarded, that IS tourist mode. Statistical facts and truths have nothing to do with people being "babies". Find me one credible source who claims that LFR is worth doing to gear up alts. You can't, because it isn't. You even stated it yourself, you only wiped once despite not knowing any of the fights, and that was because you were missing 8 DPS. How can you claim that isn't tourist mode? You could literally have been AFK and you'd still "win". You put in a lot of effort for sure! Must have been sweating after that one! /s

[@blkillia]

@@billymays9296 3 items and the 3 vault slots id say worth

[@billymays9296]

@@blkillia So you got exceptionally lucky and you're going to base the entire experience of LFR on an extremely minor outlier? Fair enough, you do you I guess.

[@jonathansoko1085]

Correction there are no male or female blood elves, There is simply blood elf.

[@sethking100]

First

[@bradleyjames1965]

3rd story comment don't tell her to add players . wrong way to say it . say join if ya want a more casual guild

[@bradleyjames1965]

Had to be a misse fligjt. Path or a quest for a flight path ?

[@bradleyjames1965]

Interesting worrgen are consider gay??

[@cashnelson2306]

There is no bad panda combination. Bis race

[@bradmills713]

Chat is ALWAYS angry. And swimming around 1000 needles is.... Off-putting. I must say. Not a fan. It was a cool zone with all the elevators/bridges.

[@Succath80]

Ok Boomer! :P

[@tscarable]

Preach's opinions get worse by the year.

[@commandercody8511]

Wrong

[@tscarable]

@@commandercody8511 His favorite raids are just the ones that came out during the birth of his kids or when he was younger. He has no idea what the game is like even for average mythic raiders let alone people that prog heroic. Dude is detached.

[@andrejjelcic3675]

Doesn't understand why Thrall is awesome? HASN'T PLAYED WCIII ??? ...Snort... What a zoomer.

[@backaddict673]

This story made me remove my like. That story was horribly bad.

[@yvind692]

the 2nd story was to cringe, had to skip it