Dramatic video of VTA bus crash, car driver asks why his fault?

[@wcolby]

So what have we learned here? 1) The government will protect itself. ( both the bus company & the investigators are owned by the government) 2) you don’t really have to stop for a red light just follow the guy in front of you and the people with the greenlight have to wait for you to clear the intersection.

[@danagibbs3265]

Number 2 is what always happens where I live anyways

[@GranRey-0]

There's usually at least one guy who does that up here in Vancity, but they're close enough to the cars in front of them, so this is less likely to happen.

[@p4sk974]

In Canada, if you are caught in-between the entrance and the exit of an intersection and your light is red, it is your fault. Our lights seem to have a bigger delay before switching from red to green on all sides of an intersection.

[@zancrus9629]

Yeah lesson is don't get in an accident with a city bus because you will end up paying for it. I know 2 people it has happened to and even when there is no way it is their fault they ended up having to pay and get a ticket.

[@t.h.8475]

@@zancrus9629 and insurance will increase your rates.

[@sens1fan]

The real lesson here; ensure you have a dash cam because other drivers will lie given the opportunity.

[@jamoco1]

rubbish, The lesson should be pay attention when driving, how can you not see that bus.

[@sens1fan]

@@jamoco1 The bus driver lied to his dispatcher. That is the exact reason why dash cams are essential. The only thing dash cams can’t fixed is corrupt cops and city officials; but it sure can make them look dumb.

[@sens1fan]

@@jamoco1 if the bus driver would have been paying attention at the traffic light; he would have been able to stop. Therefore, no accident would have happened.

[@jamoco1]

@@sens1fan same could be said for the driver. Do you cross the road without looking ?

[@sens1fan]

@@jamoco1 the driver had a green light; therefore braking is unsafe. Scanning the intersection happens before you cross the intersection. The bus didn’t start turning until he was crossed the intersection, travelling at regular road speed. Please stay off the roads if you can’t understand basic physics!

[@no1bandfan]

Sounds like he and his insurance need to sue the city for filing a false police report, insurance fraud and corruption.

[@saguviper]

His insurance already settled. I would say time to get a new insurance company

[@reupsvideos]

If a person's crossing the road and the traffic lights green doesn't mean you just run them over you stop and wait, so its the cars fault

[@tume8675]

@@reupsvideos The bus driver was the one who had to yield though, no?

[@saguviper]

@@tume8675 the bus driver should have stopped, but ran the red, failure to slow down at the yellow

[@VidClips858]

Uh, it sounds like his insuance company hasn't exactly been his good neighbor through this.

[@am4793]

A similar thing happened to me in the UK. I was stationery at the traffic lights next to a bus stopped. The bus driver rammed into me trying to force me from my lane when the lights were green. The police, the bus company and their insurance company geared up to accuse me of being the cause of the accident. It happened back in 2008 and I had a dash camera wired in long before it was a thing. It ended up in court, my lawyer sent my recording on a CDrom with a free video codec rather than Windows player and as surmised the otherside didn't bother to look at the contents. The disk was simply marked as plaintiff's statement and evidence. They also had hardcopies. When the magistrate looked at our video, he called the bus driver a liar to his face.

[@DeusKDuo]

That's not similar at all. It's totally different you were right to fight it but in this case the bus driver was correct the car violated vehicle code 21451.

[@dakota9821]

@@DeusKDuo You're a mongoloid. Look at where the bus started. He was on an entirely different road to begin with. You people don't know how to drive, or read. You can't make a left turn from 1 street over and ignore the red light.

[@jp4431]

What was the outcome?

[@maryrose2676]

@@DeusKDuo It's the bus driver who violated 21451. "A driver facing a circular green signal shall proceed straight through or turn right or left or make a U-turn unless a sign prohibits a U-turn. Any driver, including one turning, shall yield the right-of-way to other traffic and to pedestrians lawfully within the intersection or an adjacent crosswalk." The car was lawfully within the intersection by virtue of the green light.

[@DeusKDuo]

@@maryrose2676 the bus was in the intersection before the car. So by the time the bus entered there was no one else in the intersection. The car can't be lawfully in the intersection unless it was a delorian going 88mph and went back in time. So the bus is already lawfully in the intersection while the car is outside of it making 21451 apply to the car.

[@GIBBO4182]

So one is yellow - not at fault The other is green - at fault This is the stupidest thing I’ve seen today

[@triparadox.c]

Right

[@andrewnorris5415]

Plus would expect going ahead to have right of away over those turning.

[@SirJamesIGamerfuzion]

Also basic driving info is yellow means to slow down and prepare to stop … not I’m just run it anyways and hope nothing happens

[@dutchvandermak4581]

@@andrewnorris5415 Yup and so they do. When making a turn into on coming traffic you must yield. That cop is an idiot.

[@dirgeofdementia]

Personally, I think they are both at fault. The bus driver is at fault for running a light he had no chance to make and the other driver is at fault for failing to avoid a collision that was easily avoidable. Let’s call it 70/30.

[@silverlawz3510]

That Lt. needs to be reconsidered for the position he currently holds.

[@TterribleTexasTJ]

Absolutely. His credibility is shot! If he ever testifies in court all the defense attorney has to do is play this video for the jury. I am a retired federal agent, 20+ years, and that was one of the most egregious, moronic, absolute bull$hit statements concerning the liability in an accident or an investigation I've ever heard!

[@varunishere]

@@TterribleTexasTJ Thank you for your service. I appreciate your comment in favor of public.

[@noelbaudy5371]

he gets paid 170k to eat donuts

[@indyjohn59]

@@TterribleTexasTJ Typical of the current system in place in California, do what you want, not what is right or legal.

[@noelbaudy5371]

@@indyjohn59 You do realize that corrupt cops aren't a California only problem right? You california haters are so juvenile.

[@Paul-fy1yg]

I’m willing to bet if the cop had that green light it would be the busses fault

[@dejamesola]

Yes Sir 👍👌

[@edwilko8819]

cop told by city to change his mind. city corrupt

[@drah9955]

Paul..Sooo Right...Or any member of the city's council

[@drah9955]

HomoTriSapien ...Great observation, unsynchronized lights...I see it now, thanks to you

[@davidwebb4904]

If the cop went thru on RED, it would still be the busses fault.

[@jordanwardle11]

As much as the bus driver is at fault. Just remember to always be vigilant. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong when you now have no car

[@helxis]

Correct. The driver of the car could have prevented this just by paying attention.

[@penguinjay]

they call me lucky bc it DOES matter who is at fault, and I never have to work another day in my life.

[@NutellaCrepe]

This is exactly what I learned from riding motorcycles. It doesn’t matter who has the right of way if you’re dead. Save yourself first then record and report later.

[@mwhad9991]

Driver of car not paying attention, BAD BAD MOVE. And the bus driver running a red, also a BAD MOVE.

[@88997799]

City doesn’t want to be responsible for damages and being sued.

[@angelacasanova194]

Yeah that’s messed up

[@miastrong151]

The driver will probably get his yearly safety bonus and a raise for "being a good driver".

[@pashon4percushon]

cities are sued from bus mishaps all the time, doesn't make a difference.

[@robertbowersock3471]

Couldn't work for a city. Dumbass bus driver is probably a safety manager by now. He wouldn't survive in the private sector. Just adds to the stereotype of the cities being the sanctuary for incompetent workers.

[@heyaisdabomb]

@HomoTriSapien This guy is crazy if he doesn't sue... If they found the bus at fault, I'd move on, but this is a slap in the face to the guy driving his car. If you freeze the video right as the light turns green for him, you can see the bus hasn't even started the turn yet and he's only half way across the line. Then the VTA has the audacity to say safety is their top priority?

[@noahpehowic6080]

"Just because a signal is green doesn't mean that you can just go through it." Ahh, but a yellow light turning red is totally fine to just blow through without being cautious. 🙄 Edit: Holy cow guys, I never expected my comment to even be seen by anyone much less liked by almost nine thousand people. Thank you guys so much, I've never gotten this many likes before!!

[@wopalongcassidy]

In transit..they teach you to watch for the stale green. The yellow isn't even a consideration.

[@williamhuang8309]

And go full accelerator into it.

[@timc333]

You know if more people would just drive on the side walk this kind of stuff wouldn't happen .

[@wopalongcassidy]

@@timc333 Ah, the sidewalks are smoother than the crappy Cali roads anyways.

[@ShadowJP3012]

I swear you can’t trust nobody

[@NoToBigBro]

"Just because the signal is green, it doesn't mean you can just go through it." However, if you are a bus driver working for the town, you can just drive right through the yellow light even if you are endangering the lives of other people.

[@Dominion69420]

… so if the light is green, but there is a car in the intersection, Im totaly justified in continuing and hitting him instead of yeilding. Bus driver did not run a red light therefore he did have the legal right of way

[@matmay]

It was already red

[@kwebster62]

@@Dominion69420 According to the news reporter, he did run the light.

[@DeusKDuo]

@@matmay No it wasn't he was in the intersection before it turned red.

[@DeusKDuo]

@@kwebster62 News reporter never said that and if you used your eyes you can see its yellow when he starts crossing the line. You don't need the news reporter to tell you what happened. Reporter also doesn't know law either. He gives us a quote from the driver hand book which is a recommendation not a law the law is actually opposite of that. The handbooks is just safe defensive driving practices which again is not the law.

[@SouthBaySteelers]

Exactly that same thing happened to me in 2002. A VTA utility vehicle made a left turn while I had the green to go straight. The VTA vehicle wanted to leave the scene. It took roughly 4 hours for a San Jose PD to show up. My car was totaled and I was slightly injured. I ended up suing the VTA and we settled. But it seems VTA drivers have a habit of this. One day they’ll kill somebody and the VTA will blame the victim.

[@mikes-wv3em]

how much did you make?

[@SouthBaySteelers]

@@mikes-wv3em Out of the settlement I got $14,000. The medical got $35,000 and the lawyer got the rest. I lost my car, which the insurance paid about $3000. And I lost my job too.

[@xocomaox]

​@@SouthBaySteelers another person who settled for too little 😞

[@nickmartin1527]

Only some VTA are mass killers

[@aidanw9378]

The bus driver is accelerating into a yellow from a dead stop, how is that 'unable to stop safely?'

[@tractorboy31]

It was too hard to take foot off little pedal and put it on big pedal

[@adriannewman1322]

He had plenty of time to stop the busy I drive a 18 wheeler and I would have stop for the yellow he was just in a hurry

[@vtwinbreed]

@@adriannewman1322 As much booger picking as that bus driver was probably doing, he probably got a talkin to about being late to too many stops.

[@lspeers663]

He didn't have to go thru when there is plenty of room to stop.

[@Max-Television]

Because he has a passenger on the bus, wich has no seatbelts. An emergency break application could have resulted in serious injury for her.

[@QuickStix26]

The bus driver: “Yea, the guy just went through the light” Uh, no. You went through the light bud.

[@syamil30]

He did went through the light. A green light😂

[@westerlywinds5684]

Yeah, it depends what colour that light is.

[@jsmoothaddicts6848]

Problem is the next light goes green too fast there should be a 3 second buffer before the next light turns green just like they do in Europe

[@MK-wz7vc]

Yea through a green light

[@rkevic]

Did you watch the video? the lights are timed to short for that intersection look at the minivan through out the video, and then the bus.

[@404-Error-Not-Found]

Amazing how the rules change when the government is at fault...

[@404-Error-Not-Found]

@Woz Berry someone clearly didn't watch the video...

[@404-Error-Not-Found]

@Woz Berry ahh seems you watched it, but only half of the video then. They bring on a second officer to explain why the first is being an idiot. You'd know that, if you actually watched the video. Instead you choose to watch half a video and then take a hard stance on something you don't have all the information on.

[@SciHeartJourney]

I was able to prove in court that the traffic cop was parked in a RED zone making himself a HAZARD to people turning from that street. The judge didn't care!

[@bluethunder5694]

Depending what state the gov can not be a defendant in court ,

[@markbeiser]

We've investigated ourselves, and found we did nothing wrong.

[@kimberlysevastyanenko3798]

Yes, always make sure the intersection is clear before proceeding. That said, it was absolutely NOT the car driver's fault. The bus driver had plenty of time to stop. I've had instances where I was approaching an intersection at speed when the light turned yellow and the timing was just off enough that proceeding through was safer than hitting the brakes, but this was not the case with the bus driver.

[@ligma7057]

"I looked up and there was a bus", where was he looking? Dumbass bus driver for running the red but this guy obviously wasn't paying attention to the road either

[@fsociety6983]

@@ligma7057 You can see that he just barely starts to brake if at all too. Guy definitely wasn't paying as much attention as he should have either.

[@martinm6368]

@@fsociety6983 0:47 his fov was obstructed by the car and perhaps by the A-pillar of his own car on top of that. It's also hardly reasonable to expect a red light runner trailing the car in front of it with a full 4 second delay. The only chance he had to see it unobstructed before he entered the intersection was right at the beginning of the clip, when he probably focused on the traffic light.

[@fsociety6983]

@@martinm6368 He can see the bus turning prior to the other car obstructing his view and even after he clears the car he has a good 1-2 seconds to see it. Maybe he couldn’t have avoided the crash but the fact that he didn’t even have time to react at all is a good sign he wasn’t paying attention.

[@martinm6368]

@@fsociety6983 do you even drive yourself? Yes, he could have spotted the bus running his red light - if he hadn't payed attention to the traffic light. Who does that? People who watch car crash video perhaps, but not a driver approaching an intersection with his traffic lights about to turn. At that moment a driver should be concerned with figuring out whether or not he needs to come to a full stop within the next seconds. His lights turn green and he probably took note of the last cars clearing the intersection in front of him. At the time he enters the intersection it's not reasonable to expect any more left-turners, unless you consider a red light runner accelerating like a bus, which is exactly what has happened here. If you're 'careful' enough to reliably avoid this kind of accident from the perspective of the car driver, I'm sure you'll cause a lot more accidents because cars behind you don't expect you to break at an intersection where the lights just turned green. Could the car driver have avoided the crash if he were hyper focused and looked to the left while he entered the intersection? Probably yes - just like a pedestrian can avoid accidents by jumping out of a way when a car denies their right of way. It's the right thing to do. However it's just poor judgement to blame the victim for not acting sharp in a critical moment when the other party violates traffic code as blatantly as seen here. It's your responsibility to clear an intersection before another traffic light phase starts. For bus drivers that means they're supposed to come to a stop while the traffic light turns instead of attempting to squeeze over during the yellow phase, let alone running a red light like the bus driver did here. When you've failed that simple task and find yourself in the middle of an intersection while intersecting lanes have got green light, you're supposed to give way until it's save to clear the intersection again.

[@pepsidrink19]

It actually baffles me to hear a cop say that I should yield on a green WHEN I AM GOING STRAIGHT!

[@ryanmitcham5522]

No he is correctly saying you must yield to traffic still clearing the intersection once you get a green. The bus was still clearing the intersection. The video of the bus makes it questionable whether he should have stopped, and the traffic lights appear to not give sufficient time for vehicles to clear, but that doesn't change the need to yield to vehicles still clearing when you get a green - not just charging in apparently without looking.

[@Jeff7477]

@@ryanmitcham5522 The bus was just entering the intersection when the light turned red. You are dumb.

[@DeusKDuo]

@@Jeff7477 Are you dumb it doesn't matter, even if its just an inch over the limit line as long as he is over it before its red he is legally in the intersection.

[@pierrechristian6767]

You got that right, in Australia traffic turning through an intersection must yield to oncoming traffic.

[@kimjones2056]

Ryan Mitcham so when I get rear ended because I slowed to check the intersection the guy behind me is in the wrong. So it’s not a true green light. Only green if nobody else is there. Wow! I see a lot of accidents going to happen

[@luke_skywanker7643]

The bus driver ran a red light. The cops were just trying "to do a favor" for the city by ticketing the accident victim in this case, figuring his insurance would pay for the damages and he'd be unable to sue. I'd really like to see that cop in front of a judge (as in called as a witness) trying to explain his "legal reasoning" to the Court.

[@johnrambo1349]

Actually that's not running a red light. Yes the bus was in the intersection when it's red, but thats not running a red light. He crossed the white line during a yellow. Then it turned ted. Maybe go study and re take your driving test before you go out driving? Lol

[@wheelie642]

The car driver is an idiot. When a light turns red there is ALWAYS a stray vehicle that runs the red. ALWAYS.. IF I got on the throttle when the light turns green with no regard for traffic I would be in an accident every time. The light system is a traffic controller not a guarantee of clear road. Just like crossing the street a pedestrian has the right of way but the pedestrian MUST must look BOTH WAYS. SO. Driver MUST LOOK BOTH WAYS before proceeding on a green.

[@zeke1220]

@@johnrambo1349 Bus driver failed to yield to the traffic control device(didn't stop for the yellow when he had plenty of time and space to do so safely) and the car driver didn't avoid the bus. They're both at fault.

[@johnrambo1349]

@zeke1220 yeah how many times have you run a yellow light? Ppl will keep going when it's yellow. And that is legal as long as you cross the line before it turns red. Which the bus was inside the intersection when it turned red. So the car gets a green, he have to yield to all traffic inside the intersection to clear first. 95% of every time my light turns green there is still someone still inside the intersection. I wait till clear to go. You don't floor it just cause it's green. Go read the rule book. Lmao

[@brianbagnall3029]

I'd put blame at around 50-50. Yes, the bus driver pushed it too far and either gunned it through a yellow or possibly ran a red. But the SUV driver really should have made sure the intersection was clear, which was difficult because of the other SUV blocking his view to the left. He didn't even try to put on his brakes when a massive bus was right in front of him. That tells me he wasn't really paying attention to the road at the time of the accident.

[@waterbridgeproductions]

The guy should sue the city. Corruption at its best.

[@stephmill8547]

If one does that. You only punish your fellow taxpayers. They didn't cause the prang. Who to sue then ? The bus driver perhaps. How can he pay, say a $100K. Nobody wins at litigation ! Only the LAWYERS win ! Why so many lawyers in the USA ? Easy money, that's why.

[@ccjohncc1]

@@stephmill8547 Just because taxpayers contribute to funds dispersed to cover liability in lawsuits is a stupid reason to not sue. Besides it's not always tax money but actually insurance money .

[@jeil5676]

Bad judgement by a cop is not corruption. I dont see the cop making any gains and probably would be ok with ticketing a city vehicle operator. The cops and the bus co. are not in cahoots.

[@Timeforchangenow]

And that cop

[@DeusKDuo]

Actually the bus driver was completely legal in going through the intersection. That is why upon further review the officer cited the other guy. Once someone goes over the limit line no matter how small, they are legal. Even though legally the car was at fault I wouldn't have cited the driver as the intersection has badly timed lights. Just recently someone discovered the math to figure out yellow light timing was wrong. In just the right situation it was impossible to stop in time and impossible to speed up and beat it. Drivers are blamed until someone discovered this issue with yellow lights. Oregon actually tried fining the guy who discovered this for practicing engineering without a license but he won that court battle because it was a slam dunk win for 1st amendment. Although rare the right circumstances will see this happening again.

[@hermanosamuel8744]

Thanks ABC7 for following up on the person's request and showing the truth. This is an example of why a free media matters.

[@penguinjay]

this is an example why when black people shoot and kill police for no reason, I feel nothing anymore.

[@robertelee6712]

Can you imagine if the guy didn't have a camera? He would have no leg to stand on against the government.

[@747-pilot]

EXACTLY!!!

[@pinchecassie]

He still would, VTA would not let that happen since they will investigate that drivecam footage.

[@jayg2895]

Im not even sure with the camera, I feel like the guy still lost his case. By the way the cop talks, we seem to be all wrong with our assumption that “Green” is right of wayand “Yellow” is yield and not yhe other way around. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@kauztekgaming]

@@jayg2895 the cop was telling the truth though. Once the bus is past the first limit line he has to complete the turn because he's in the intersection. The crosswalk is not the limit line. The strait light turned green. As crappy as it sounds, it's in the VC that you have a duty to check for cars in the intersection legally prior to going on the green. Always check intersections before driving. I've seen lots of accidents, some deadly, where people run reds.

[@nobullshytnx2264]

The camera from the bus shows light turned yellow before bus started turning left. You driving a bus, not a car so you can't speed up thinking you can turn fast enough. These turning lights like that need more time.

[@TheMonolake]

That cop should be sued..

[@drah9955]

TheMonolake ...I bet cop was told to say that goffy sh.t...The point of contact was at the front of bus, bus turned right in front of car, creating a physical barrier...Bus at fault

[@stevenwhite3.1415]

No. He should be fired. If he is too stupid to know who is at fault, he is the type of idiot to pull his gun on an unarmed person.

[@SaltyD619er]

City cop City bus Lol

[@drah9955]

HomoTriSapien ... Great observation, I see now, thanks to you

[@SaltyD619er]

@@drah9955 DUHUH!!!!!!!

[@casekocsk]

Just because the light is green, doesn't mean you can just go... But if it's yellow, just floor it! - a confused uniform guy on internet

[@minartson]

I don't know about the U.S but it's true that you can't just send it if you get a green light. In an EU country where I live, if somebody is making a turn in the middle of the intersection and his light goes red while he is making the turn, everybody else has to give him the right of way to complete that turn.

[@twizl4]

@@minartson yeah it’s the same way here, but that’s not necessarily what happened in this video, because he wasn’t in the intersection when it turned red he was at the stop line, and he was behind the stop line when it was yellow so the bud was completely in the wrong no matter how you look at it

[@randojones2030]

In a sense he is right. But in this particular incident the bus driver was clearly at fault. Whenever you cross an incoming lane of traffic you do Not have the right of way. He ran the red light and the mazda driver had entered into the intersection 4 seconds into a green light.

[@KristofferEk]

@@minartson The problem here is that the bus driver got a yellow which even in the EU means he should have stopped. and from the looks of it the bus driver had been stopped already so he was moving from a stand still meaning he would have had plenty of time to actually stop the buss safely at the line.

[@beaulieuemile9314]

If someone stop at the green light to check if the way is clear he will get arrest 😂😂

[@ChiTownGuerrilla]

Crazy how investigators can just "change their mind."

[@FreakyFirestorm]

The guy just went through a green light I couldn't believe it, so crazy.

[@TreasureHuntingNana]

yeah, what's the world coming to when someone goes through a green light!

[@mattweeeee]

I could barely keep my dinner down I was so disgusted at his attentiveness to being lawfully within his limits.

[@Bambim8]

I know right?? Even if 2 cars are stuck in the intersection giving the way to incoming traffic while turning and do not manage to get out of the intersection before the green light comes up for me, I go straight through them because it's green for me! 🤡

[@dieselkenny4568]

Like who just drives through a green light! His license should revoked and him thrown under the jail. Blasphemy!!

[@frankvasquez9446]

@@dieselkenny4568 Hi there. In this case you probably meant to say thrown under the bus

[@mapleman5304]

$100 says that cop was told by his supervisor to save the city from a lawsuit

[@Vismotrix-m]

@@cicicave1279 i totally agree with you but then again if you're on higher position sometimes or most of the times you just able to get away from anything

[@TheZero696]

@@cicicave1279 not if the insurance company already settled

[@refinnej5302]

@@cicicave1279 They were probably banking on the driver just accepting their decision and letting his insurance settle. His insurance did pay out. A lot of people in this country wont argue with people of authority or are too scared to. Some people see that the insurance paid out and don't pursue it since they weren't out-of-pocket until their next insurance premium rolled around.

[@mrfingers4737]

My money says the bribe was over $100.

[@ImAyBeast]

Let’s be honest everyday someone passes the yellow when it turns red and we are used to seeing people run these lights all the time .. heck we do it too so it’s the driver that should’ve been more aware the guy at the left of him didn’t continue

[@wildfireman13]

I hope he fought back with an appeal. This deserves to see a judge

[@kareemalmond]

he didn’t, the guy said his insurance replaced his car and paid for the damages to the bus which caused his premium to go up 10%

[@MarcusAsaro]

​@@kareemalmond, in the unlikely case that he's not barred from suing after the settlement, he could have filed a civil lawsuit seeking damages. What was the guy thinking. Imagine having a video like that during a crazy fender-bender: he should have been seen by a doctor that day and hired a personal injury attorney the moment he downloaded his dashcam video.

[@Danutzz2010]

Imagine that was a bike, not a car.

[@HurstTheHybrid]

He did. It took him 7 months of fighting but by the then. All conclusion and fighting with VTA. The guy ended up winning but he turned around and sued them again for other reasons. So ended up winning 2 times in the process. The driver was promptly charged as well. The amount he received still isn't known but he ended up taking a "good sum" to buy him a new car 2019 comaro (at the time it was brand new)

[@ec_archive]

@@HurstTheHybrid Nice to hear, do you have a link to the update?

[@jackbates7467]

As someone who works in transit, I would like to point out that bus drivers are taught to drive extra cautiously running through a yellow definitely isn't cautious.

[@MaartenVisser2920]

The real lesson: that's how corrupt the authorities are.

[@LimitedWard]

Incompetence? Yes. Corruption? That's a bit of a stretch. Unless the investigator had some sort of monetary incentive, it's unclear to me what motivation the officer would have had to blame the car.

[@MrHalo100y]

@@LimitedWard it's simple goverment will always protect itself regardless If it's cops and public transportation

[@mdecisive7926]

@@MrHalo100y yep, you see it everywhere

[@nstorm2415]

Real lesson, pay attention before crossing the intersection.

[@trywait1979]

Corruption in those who are in charge. Notice how the newer younger officer follows the written law, and the older one with rank makes the law as he goes

[@Itsisawnotiseen]

The bus driver’s post accident call is proof enough. He knew.

[@deanosborn3464]

You would think he would've remembered there were 8 cameras in the bus recording everything inside and outside the bus

[@Itsisawnotiseen]

@@deanosborn3464 what does it take to drive a bus? These aren’t brain surgeons

[@robertbrown7917]

try stopping that big ol bus...and the car that hit the bus had plenty of time to stop

[@Itsisawnotiseen]

@@robertbrown7917 that bus was stopped at the light stupe. Say no to dope.

[@robertbrown7917]

@@Itsisawnotiseen the car next to him...closer to the bus...stopped...the guy wasn't paying attention

[@eekamini]

In short: Green means yield. Yellow means right of way.

[@VintageToiletsRock]

And red means run the light correct?

[@letter1014]

@@VintageToiletsRock correct 👍

[@vce.john1734]

Pretty much people love to run yellow light when they barely pass the white line to stop at red

[@professionalinsultant3206]

the laws is just a guideline and can be changed to suit the needs of the narrative

[@bobbymoss6160]

That makes no sense. If it's yellow for one direction, the cross direction can't be green.

[@briandavis8629]

Time to call a lawyer. Do not let the transit authority get away with this.

[@MarcySobchak]

the guys insurance company should file with the state's governing auto insurance division to investigate & issue an "at fault" decision.

[@ThatDamnPandaKai]

As someone who has EVOC certification. Green lights are indeed "Right of way: proceed with caution" But the cop's argument is flawed because he's not taking into consideration that the bus unlawfully entered the intersection by failing to exercise safety.

[@MaltaMcMurchy]

Do you guys learn the PIT maneuver?

[@DeusKDuo]

Actually it is not unlawful in 42 of 50 states California being one of the 42. Bus was completely legal to go through. You just may be in one of the 8 where it is unlawful.

[@zazuch]

@@DeusKDuo no its not legal to enter under a red light lol. There is no way that bus should have entered the intersection via running a red light.

[@DeusKDuo]

@@zazuch He didnt run a red though he was well passed the limit line before it turned red.

[@transtubular]

@@DeusKDuo because he didn't come to a stop as he should have when it changed to yellow.

[@yoyoyoyoyoyoy9]

It's the city's fault, for making such a messed up light system. When a turning light becomes red, the opposing traffic is suppse to wait 3 to 5 seconds, before turning green

[@OneMouseGaming]

Bingo , there is usually a defined clearing period for those in the left turning lane to fully clear the intersection + a touch of grace period to avoid t bones like this. Busses fault , citys fault, not this guys fault at all

[@SkippyMC]

Yeah here in Maryland the bus and 1 more car behind him could possibly pass before the opposing lane gets a green light, I don’t know why didn’t make a delay in the green lights

[@matmay]

Not really, the bus entered slowly at red. Yes if you have a green light you cannot just crash into anything in the intersection. When the car entered the intersection, her path was empty, so no reason to yield.

[@lamborghini0610]

From looking at the video, it looks like the opposing traffic light goes green as soon as the other goes red. That is so messed up. Here in Australia there is always 2-3 seconds to allow traffic to clear the intersection

[@SuperNickid]

@Investors Guide: Does traffic like are not up to code, because when one side turn red the other side should not have turn green immedialty it should have stay red on both side for a few second to clear what is left in the traffic, I also notice another flaw with the light their is a missing sensor that would make the yellow light a few second longer if a Bus or car enter the intersection on yellow, in the city I live that sensor is not missing, because I notice a diffrence on how long the yellow light stay on, if I stop behind the stop line on yellow the yellow light change red right away if no one else cross on yellow, if someone cross on yellow the light stay yellow for a little bit longer

[@SirBlueWhale]

They're going to be sued and they're going to lose. Who pays? The taxpayers.

[@tourmii]

and who allows it to be that way? taxpayers.

[@kekenidika1]

and so .......... what else is new? Harken back to the time of the Roman empire, when the Emperor's chariot had the absolute right of way - the major difference being that the loser {the common hoi polloi} gave the lions a free feed ........

[@Muskers92]

Well who else is going to pay for the car and medical? You?

[@TheNamesArif]

And what should we do? Don't pay taxes and go to prison that is funded by taxpayers. They can't run a prison without money.

[@odavido1579]

Ain't that about a B**CH!

[@rygregory]

While living in San Jose (and I’ve lived many places), I witnessed multiple incidents of stupidity from the SJPD. They determined that a guy with a green light and right-of-way was at-fault?! I hope this guy sues and doesn’t settle. Instead, I hope the investigator is punished for blatantly lying.

[@--_DJ_--]

His insurance paid out to repair the bus and replace his car. A green light doesn't give you the right of way, it says you may proceed if safe. It was not safe to proceed.

[@brianmashin777]

​@@--_DJ_-- smartest comment I've seen here

[@darkheart9668]

​@@--_DJ_--this is dumb, if the bus was a small car sure take the yellow light and make that turn, but it's a large vehicle and it takes longer to make that turn, the bus shouldn't have taken that turn. Green means go and people who have a green light are expected to be less cautious than one who had an orange light.

[@--_DJ_--]

@@darkheart9668 I agree, he shouldn't have gone. It is just that if the car can do it, so can the bus. The right of way doesn't change with the size of vehicle. I also agree that green means you are less cautious, but that isn't a good excuse if something like this happens. You also do need to be more careful at lights that go green as you arrive for reasons like this.

[@darkheart9668]

@@--_DJ_-- the size of the vehicle does matter, this is why drivers for larger cars go to additional training to get their class B or A licenses. There are things you cannot do in a larger car that you could or get away with in a smaller one. The bus driver should've been well aware of this.

[@pab1381]

This is ridiculous. Even if the bus and driver both had green lights if they’re turning left he has to yield to the traffic going straight the other way. This insane.

[@ChazzleDazzleVideos]

Yeah you never make a left turn into oncoming traffic because you do not have the Right of way this is absolutely stupid and know this video is years old but hope that this got cleared up because I would be pussed having to pay higher premiums due to corruption.

[@SubliminallyMischievous]

@@ChazzleDazzleVideos it didn't just to let you know. The driver was deemed at fault and his insurance settled with the bus company to fix the bus, he got a new car. And his insurance went up through the roof. It's sad

[@foremasp]

Agree with Chicago PAB, totally ridiculous, the guy in the car had a green light for ages sand the bus on a stale yellow turning left across traffic, no way he had the right of way. The complexity and time involves in getting this properly sorted for the car driver, I feel for him, I would very likely lick my wounds and just move on; come on, this is common sense no brainer.

[@darinb.3273]

That's always been that way to my knowledge turning left ALWAYS yields. Left green arrows are the exception, However if the left (green) turn arrow is lit the traffic light is red for opposing traffic. That guy should sue his insurance company and the bus company.

[@CBlargh]

@@darinb.3273 The bus had an arrow, but it had turned red before he got through the intersection. It looked like the car driver also might not have been paying very close attention, because he accelerated into the cars turning before the bus while his light was still red. The bus is probably technically at fault, but it's stupid driving on both parts.

[@SJ-ds8lp]

That officer needs to be fired from his post. If he makes judgement like that how can the community entrust him for their safety.

[@FelixUmbra]

He lied on his official report. That's jailtime. No one should be immune from the law for falsifying a police report.

[@jomisamar2005]

Why fired? What about some further in depth training?

[@FelixUmbra]

@@jomisamar2005 Because they swore an oath, Then broke that oath. An oath to be honest and fair, Then displayed bias in favor of his fellow.(Another city employee.) Thus destroying any trust the people he is supposed to protect should have in him. Fired is the best outcome the officer should enjoy. Prison time is the worst he should enjoy. Falsifying a legal document is a felony in many states.

[@jomisamar2005]

@@FelixUmbra I see your point and respect your opinion. However; it is my opinion to say that mass firing and this "cancel culture" does not address the root of the problem. Further education and training could be the start to help mitigate it, thays just me though

[@SJ-ds8lp]

@@jomisamar2005 this is not cancel culture lol. This sounds like a crooked cop. I'd rather prefer someone like Harry Callahan from dirty harry, if you know what I mean. lol

[@sergiosergio12345678]

The bus ran the red light, the cop is clearly corrupt.

[@eddarby469]

I believe the cop had his mind changed for him.

[@weabae5910]

Or the cop didn’t know the actual law and later changed his decision based on the actual law in which the bus driver had the right of way

[@eddarby469]

@@weabae5910 So you assert the bus had the ROW? Laws vary from place to place, but I would be surprised if the bus had the ROW. I would expect the buses' move to be the same as making a left turn on a "Green Ball", which requires the bus to yield to oncoming traffic. There are different elements to the situation that have to be checked off as you go through the analysis of what happened. In my state, once you are in an intersection, you have the ROW to leave the intersection before anyone else can enter the intersection. But when you pull into an intersection on a green ball and you wish to make a left turn, you must yield the ROW to oncoming traffic. This fellow essentially did just that by entering an intersection on a "stale yellow." He had no reasonable expectation that he could complete his left turn under a green arrow, so he lost the ROW to oncoming traffic. To treat the ROW for the oncoming traffic any other way would create too much confusion for anyone approaching a Green Ball at any intersection. That would nearly reduce the Green Ball indication to a four-way stop (stop and proceed). Well, good luck with that. I believe this will get overturned in court if the evidence of both cameras are admitted into evidence.

[@weabae5910]

@@eddarby469 it was a protected left turn or dedicated so the first half of your comment would apply here if he hit the intersection before red then he has row to clear it. Clearing the intersection always supersedes the stoplight color or else when people pile up into an intersection because the next light is backed up for example if the light for the intersecting drivers turns green and they can nearly legally slam into stopped cars would create a conflict of interest within driving law and thought of process.

[@2002films]

@I win You lose Bootlicker, You want to do more than that too.

[@mrthingy9072]

"Windshield" is misspelled in the bus camera app. Gives you so much confidence in a system when they can't be bothered to spell check the simplest things. And I'm not surprised the cop changed his mind to protect a fellow city worker, and protect the city from having to pay for damages. I hope Mr. Canoy takes them to court and then takes them to the cleaners for trying to cover a dangerous act by the bus driver.

[@evelynagustin8072]

3:52 Officer is making himself look like an idiot.

[@drah9955]

Evelyn Agustin...Actually yes..He's protecting the town's official's for not managing the city correctly...Traffic lights are not safely synchronized

[@itznathz9496]

@@drah9955 no One Asked lol

[@drah9955]

@@itznathz9496...No need to...

[@kevinmael3862]

He thinks he is fluid in 🐂 sh!t.

[@drah9955]

@@kevinmael3862... Cop was/is placed in an awkward predicament... He knows but had to defend the town... He probably seen this & is saying, “I sound way off on this one, anyone can see, but I need to protect my job”

[@talen9235]

“Just because a singles green, doesn’t mean you can go through it.” What light can I go through then…? Red sounds like a good choice.

[@BR-td3kn]

🤣🤣🤣

[@endotype2286]

This is no joke, the reality is your actions should depend on the situation. I'm a motorcyclist and sometimes signals don't react to me and stay red. When that happens, I will make sure there is no traffic around and I will go through the red light - cautiously and safely The opposite is also true, if there is traffic in my path of travel I might yield even if my signal is green. The signals are tools for maintaining safety and flow of traffic, but it is the drivers' responsibility to act correctly and avoid accidents. IMO, both drivers involved in this accident reacted poorly. It seems like they both had plenty time to stop and avoid the accident.

[@DelightfullyGrace]

“What light can I go through then…?” yellow, apparently

[@keithman3277]

You forgot an important word: "just". The officer is right; if a light is green that does not absolve you of your duty to yield to vehicles that are within the intersection. You're always supposed to check whether it is safe to cross an intersection, green light or not. This isn't the wild west: you don't plow through another car when you can avoid doing so just because the other car ran a red light.

[@justmytwosense1144]

Well duh it's a different shade of green that means go thru, I think there's like 10 shades of green lights.. Hey at least that makes more sense than the cop saying yield on green, when yellow mean caution, i guess red means floor it!!!

[@Fireguy97]

We have investigating ourselves and we found that we did nothing wrong.

[@ifitistobeitisuptome]

Yeah that sums it up perfectly!

[@Simon-xi7lb]

investigated

[@dannihambleton7302]

Exactly

[@jasonjackson7201]

How can you investigate yourself? That’s like going to court for a crime and saying I didn’t do it and then you yourself being the judge in the case.

[@erinnicole5748]

@@jasonjackson7201 Uhm, yes, you just answered your own question. lol The city owned police investigated the city owned bus company. Do you see how that is the city investigating itself?

[@JackMaslovCZLive]

There are some extremely simple fixes that I see no one utilize. Simply delay the next green light for 2 seconds between every switch and then even traffic that enters the intersection at yellow light will be able to pass through before opposing traffic starts coming. This wouldn't even delay traffic that much since people at the light that just turned green have to wait for the vehicles to get out of the intersection either way.

[@martinthoburn1089]

Was a bus driver for many years, and yes it is always easy to blame the bigger vehicle, but this bus driver is 100% to blame for the accident. To then go on to blame someone else when he went through a red light is beyond me. As a public servant, he had a duty of care to, not only his passengers, but to others on the road. His license should have been taken from him, not because of the accident but because he lied about his actions.

[@bryanpadilla2879]

I like your call this was a unique accident I think two dumbs at the same light same time same swap. But the driver got the unlucky yellow when the Mazda got the lucky green we all love .... But I personally nevvvvver travel through a intersection with out slowing down. If there isn't a train of cars already in it

[@NemeNoms]

I agree with you. Even if his bus was empty or tried to beat the light, the fact that he *lied* tells he's not deserving of his position. Also if he knows his route, he surely knows the light's timing. Overall unsafe and worrying over if anything worse had happened.

[@NemeNoms]

@Woz Berry First of all, *it is up to the drivers discretion to safely turn on a yellow light.* Second yeah you can't stop in 0ft but he also didn't need to rush to beat the red light. That's not safe and slightly negligent. Never said he ran it but he probably didn't catch it turning which is why I said if he knows his route he should know the light timing, but it *did* turn red as he turned out. Yes some people can get their turns in like that but it's not safe. Edit: Why post the same thing twice btw?

[@bryanpadilla2879]

@Woz Berry wow all I gotta say

[@NemeNoms]

@Woz Berry Oh thanks! yeah sometimes I don't get them. True btw. I'm just happy they both are ok, but they should definitely look to fixing it if it causes too many accidents. I also wish people were never in a rush (to avoid accidents whether its fatal or not) but such is life and accidents happen.

[@Trainfan1055Janathan]

As a school bus driver, we're told to wait a couple seconds after the light turned green to make sure there aren't any last-minute vehicles (i.e., the bus) trying to race through the yellow light (now red). I wish I could say, "it's rare for city bus drivers to behave like this," but when riding the bus in my area, I've observed all kinds of unsafe practices such as: Unsafe following distances Speeding Racing yellow lights Running red lights Braking hard in the rain Barking so hard, I fell out of my seat Turn so fast, I fell out of my seat Talking on the cell phone while driving Honestly, it's a miracle when you reach your destination on-time. (I haven't observed this behavior in coach bus drivers, though) Also, when I was a truck driver, someone told me, "don't assume just because he's a commercial driver, he's gonna drive right."

[@unemployicus]

Light turns green, I look both ways before proceeding through the intersection because people speed through red lights all of the time.

[@bruhbruh1587]

They teach this in drivers ed at my school, they say to wait a sec or two before going just in case someone tries running a red

[@0xsergy]

I think the yellow/red running is more so the buses can stay on schedule. I imagine with traffic its a nightmare sometimes. That's why I got no problem with busses running yellows like this, better off the bus runs it and 25 people make it to their destination on time

[@Trainfan1055Janathan]

@@0xsergy Yeah, as a school bus driver, the traffic lights have made me late on several occasions. There's a light that, if it turns red on me, will always make me 5 minutes late without fail.

[@0xsergy]

@@Trainfan1055Janathan rip. And you only have what, 2 big trips per day? Those bus drivers are often running their route for hours. Red light delays accumulate, etc. I've never worked the job but I can see why they do it.

[@david91311]

I would take this to court and sue the bus company. There isn't a jury alive that will side with the bus company. This has happened to all of us at some point in our driving careers

[@57thorns]

Depends on how racist they are. The victim here is clearly not white.

[@smitajky]

Normally a turning vehicle must give way to an oncoming vehicle. The bus was turning, the car was not. It would be interesting to hear how or why that rule was not applicable in this case.

[@thelastcuckbender2621]

@@smitajkybecause it’s the city’s fault

[@DeusKDuo]

@@smitajky that is only if they are on the same signal light cycle. Because the bus was on the previous cycle California vehicle code says anyone with a green has to yield to a vehicle already legally in the intersection.

[@southaussiegarbo2054]

​@@DeusKDuo bus would of crossed line on red light thus was not legally in intersection.

[@reneveah440]

The very last line in this video always gets me. Is insurance pays for the damaged so is premium goes up. Isn't that ridiculous how much money you pay into insurance and then when it comes time to actually use it they penalize you by charging you more after that point?

[@lurkerrekrul]

"I do know the rules. I watched you very carefully. Red light, stop. Green light, go. Yellow light, go very fast." - Starman

[@kroneyt1493]

Perfect reference lol

[@hufinnpuff3068]

Not many is going to get this. haha

[@starman8853]

mmm

[@TickleFingers]

Funny, I just watched that movie again a few weeks ago.

[@brianh.000]

Better than Dutch apple pie?

[@jugglaassassin]

Cop wasn’t expecting that guy to go to the news about it. During his interview you can see him nervous to not trip up while he tried his best to make sense of his bad police work

[@DeusKDuo]

No, he made the right call. The car was at fault in fact it was the retired police officer who straight up lied through omission and left out half the law that actually said the car was at fault and then applied that law to the bus instead of the car like the half of the law he didn't mention said it should.

[@TheChocoboRacer]

@@DeusKDuo If that's what you got out of that, then I guess good on you for being a contrarian

[@TheChocoboRacer]

@@DeusKDuo Re-analyze the video. Look at the timings of the lights, look at both drivers povs. After you're done denying the bus driver is at fault, watch the the intersection lines from the other drivers pov and the length of the greenlight. Now you will have to deny reality and say that the bus driver did not cross the intersection line when there was a red light, because it is physically impossible for that to not be the case.

[@DeusKDuo]

@@TheChocoboRacer Tell me where is the limit line. The limitline decides on whether he went through when it was red or not. Do you know where the limit line is? Answer that question. I have a feeling you don't know but answer the questions and prove me wrong.

[@TheChocoboRacer]

@@DeusKDuo Solid white line before the pedestrian walk line. In the POV of the car, you can see quite clearly that the bus enters the intersection approximately 2 seconds before the car enters it, and it is not possible for the bus driver's light to still be yellow, as the traffic control system does not allow that to happen.

[@TedsHoldOver]

Can I drive a bus, too? It looks like fun crashing into things without it EVER being your fault. 👍

[@astonkruger3159]

I recommend BeamNG drive!

[@bubblebass9992]

@Davy Anthonissen no the bus ran a red light after it was yellow before it hit the intersection. Why lie and there’s a clear video showing everything

[@DeusKDuo]

@@bubblebass9992 the limit line determines if you are in the intersection the bus was way passed it before it turned red.

[@ASunrise7]

The bus should be aware of its last second effort to make the light and should honk and SLOW DOWN for potential oncoming traffic. He was just cruising along without any effort to prevent an accident.

[@AbNomal621]

Unfortunately, bus drivers are often blamed regardless of the circumstances. When I drove charter a hotel van attempted to turn right into their lot from the left lane. But.. alas I was moving in the right lane and keeping a close eye on pedestrians I thought might decide to step into the street. Even the hotel’s insurance adjuster tried to pin the blame on me knowing that their driver was attempting a right turn from the left lane. “I should have seen him in the mirror” was the line.

[@keahnig164]

THIS MAKES ME SO ANGRY! HOW IS THE COP STILL A COP?! HE LIED. LIED ON CAMERA. AND HOW IS THE BUS DRIVER STILL A BUS DRIVER?! HE LIED TOO. BOTH ARE SUCH IDIOTS.

[@CesarMartinez-wv4dm]

As a CDL holder, that bus driver is totally in the wrong.

[@cherylt8590]

Cesar Martinez,i Agree 100%,i drove bus myself for 28 years👍😊...

[@Ironsight379]

Well you should make Dame will the intersection is clear on green .

[@aerodynamicist4]

That kind of incident will end any CDL driver's career. This bus driver is lucky the cops are (somehow) taking his side

[@stevek8829]

@@cherylt8590 remember stopping at railroads? This bus driver didn't.

[@kauztekgaming]

As a class commercial CDL driver, the bus was legally in the intersection. Seems like there's a issue with that intersection between the distance from the limit line to the intersection. The first line is the limit line, not the crosswalk. Once the bus is past that line he's in the middle of the turn. But I don't feel the Mazda is at fault because he had the green. However he did have a duty to clear the intersection prior to entry.

[@Mr.Magnetix]

They are always saying "The car should have yielded, because he had green". But no one is saying "The bus should have yielded, because hes going into an intersection whilst his light is red"

[@telescopicS627]

Agreed, based on their reasoning the bus driver also should've been obligated to yield to another vehicle that was "legally in the intersection". Of course they side with the city worker.... yawn

[@ljh5141]

As a professional driver, the bus driver had the duty to stop and not run that light. Not only was it a duty, it was the safe and right thing to do. What is wrong with this picture????? (Edited for removal of extra commas😁)

[@busdriver428]

LJ H but Eric had plenty of time to stop. EVERY driver has a duty to avoid accidents. Eric probably wasn’t paying attention.

[@GODzbleach]

Yea but you'll be surprise how much they rush training in order to release the drivers to cover the routes

[@drah9955]

Will Janzen...u do not turn in front of oncoming traffic, u wait, yield then proceed when safe...Wt if there were 3/5 cars, it could of been fatal...Either the cop said wt he was told or he's big time wacked...Parties of accidents hv a percentage of fault, here, the bus driver was 100% at fault....His driving techniques can cripple others...This Bus driver's driving skills r not up to snuff....Professional Coach Operators vs Bus Drivers, There's a difference

[@drah9955]

Will Janzen.....Dude, the bus cut in front of him...Look at the point of contact, at the front right...U need to stay off the road & make it safe for the rest of us, plz

[@drah9955]

Randy Wiesendanger...Can anyone translate ☝️☝️

[@echan275]

Without Dan’s work and report, the Mazda driver would have an up hill battle to fight the VTA. In under normal circumstances, most if not all of us would loose. The Mazda driver should sue VTA for big money because they would not take responsibility,

[@bluetickfreddy101]

Dude had video clearing him of fault and still got screwed Geez

[@BlueOvals24]

Unfortunately for him, he hit city property, so even though he's plainly not at fault, the city will defend themselves and not care.

[@DeusKDuo]

Actually the bus driver was completely legal in going through the intersection. That is why upon further review the officer cited the other guy. Once someone goes over the limit line no matter how small, they are legal and cross traffic has to yield until the intersection is clear even if they have a green.

[@greathelmet]

The video cleared the bus driver. The law is in the CA Vehicle Code.

[@BlueOvals24]

@@DeusKDuo It wasn't legal for the bus to go. He was driving slow enough that he should've stopped when he saw the yellow. Yellow means stop if it's safe to do so, not proceed when the light is just moments from turning red.

[@DeusKDuo]

@@BlueOvals24 Please cite where in the law what you said is the case because it contradicts the actual law. Once you cross the limit line before it turns red you are in the intersection and have to finish going through and clear it in a reasonable and timely fashion. Because he was in the intersection first cross traffic must yield to him the second officer they interviewed was half right. He quoted the law correctly but misapplied it. The bus was legally in the intersection first so the car had to yield to the bus before he can proceed.

[@thomasautengruber8369]

Having a green light doesn't mean I can just go through it, but a red light does? I'll have to adjust my driving style I guess...

[@timothylegg]

It wasn't the police officer being hit by the bus. Then it's different.

[@Juggalotus253]

Correct, the standard is to wait 2 seconds after green, check the intersection, then proceed. This has saved me from countless accidents.

[@946towguy2]

A driver facing a steady circular red must stop before the limit line and remain there (with exceptions) until the light is green and it is safe to proceed. A green light means 'Proceed when safe'. The bus driver was legally in the intersection, having entered before a red, but after the green arrow expired, had a duty to yield to oncoming traffic. Therefore, the bus driver was at-fault. The other driver was approaching a green light in lane 3 and proceeding straight when the bus crossed 2 tracks and entered his lane without yielding.

[@thomasautengruber8369]

946 Towguy Obviously it‘s the bus driver’s fault.

[@ACox651]

I am a retired LEO, I am trained in accident investigation and reconstruction.. I would definitely have cited the bus driver for not abiding by the California Vehicle Code for entering that intersection. I have had many cases where traffic accidents occurred in this type of manner. The green light for the oncoming driver was illuminated and there was no sign of the bus in the intersection when he was approaching until it was too late. The bus was at an almost crawl speed when it approached the limit line when the light turned yellow. With the fact he normally transports passengers, and passenger safety is key, the driver should have stopped, just my two cents.

[@apollo21lmp]

the bus' sign also said NOT IN SERVICE indicating there were no paying passengers aboard and onboard cameras confirmed that the bus was empty, so he could have stopped safely before committing to the turn.

[@DeusKDuo]

What vehicle code would you cite the bus for?

[@apollo21lmp]

@@DeusKDuo ask a cop. they know the codes. but the vid clearly shows the bus driver was at fault

[@DeusKDuo]

@@apollo21lmp I am asking Andrew because he said he would cite him so he would know what he is citing him for. He could be right or wrong depending on what code he cites him for. The video clearly shows the car is at fault look up vehicle code cvc 21451 and cvc 21452 i know this for a fact because i just beat a redlight ticket under similar circumstances. I also beat a redlight camera, and a speeding ticket on seperate occasions. I am actually very familiar with traffic law i am not like 99% of the people commenting who have no idea what the laws are and think they know what the law is for no reason other then they feel they are right. I want his answer because he could actually be right depending on who is being cited for what. Like in my case i probably was guilty of something but it was not running a red he could have probably gotten me for a different violation but he messed up by trying to get me for a red light violation. From what i know the officer was correct on citing the car for failing to yield to the bus but maybe the bus did commit a violation that i want Andrew to cite that i am not aware of that would absolve the car driver. From the video there is not one that i know that i see the bus did the only violation is from the car but i could be wrong so i want andrew to tell me which code was violated. It could be one i dont know of I dont claim to know every code but i do know more then most people.

[@apollo21lmp]

sorry, i misinterpreted the context. it was right below my comment.

[@notsocooldude7720]

Another issue here is the traffic light system. There should be a delay between when the turning signal goes red and the normal signal goes green so that stuff like this doesn’t happen

[@saguviper]

The city doesn't want to pay out, so that is why they blamed the car driver

[@thebluethunderbunny2324]

Good thing the driver has a video of exactly what happened. I'd sue the city for a false police report and negligence on behalf of the bus driver.

[@killacam876]

@@thebluethunderbunny2324 Apparently nothing is being done about it by anyone, even his insurance company wont fight for him and they are invested in it lol. I guess theyll get their $ back by increasing his premiums so they don't care.

[@agentsnakeplisskin]

“Just because I’m dressed like a cop, doesn’t mean I’m a cop” Dave Chapelle.

[@claytonthompson1221]

HAHAHAHA

[@empty9926]

“Stupid tree,how are you supposed to do photosynthesis down there?!” -sipover

[@Name-qy9du]

Hilarious! 😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@OneMouseGaming]

From Daves first and IMHO still the best special.

[@NiceMuslimLady]

Hold on while I get my majic suit that will make me INSTANTLY correct, even when I'm COMPLETELY wrong!

[@wonkamywilly2456]

Corruption at its finest…Officer needs to be charged and removed from his position.

[@Trackball_Player]

Unfortunately he's the police chief now

[@TheKeksadler]

@@Trackball_Player excellent metric of the level of corruption in the city 👍

[@DeusKDuo]

@@TheKeksadler actually you should read cvc 21451 the car is at fault

[@DeusKDuo]

Actually he applies the law perfectly read cvc 21451 and cvc 21452 it is the law for green and yellow lights.

[@originaldcjensen]

@@DeusKDuo Did you even watch the video?

[@gavinminion8515]

I'm gonna say that 'yield' would surely apply to both vehicles in any case. Even if it could be argued the bus driver was in the intersection lawfully, it would still have to proceed cautiously and yield if necessary. Given the late entry, the driver would surely be aware that other vehicles might be moving off and should be slowing down. Apart from all that - I wouldn't want to be a passenger on a bus turning like that!

[@Mortal209]

Fun fact - when an investigator like this changes his mind, it means the city paid him to change his story because the law doesn't apply to city officials and workers. Cameras prove the bus driver was at fault (he turned on a Yellow light and I bet you anything it was red before he reached the line) and all of a sudden after the city refuses to pay "Oh yeah I change my story and the entire law of the road, so guy in the car is at fault and I'm totally not being paid to say this by the city".

[@firebirdude2]

Even if the light wasn't red when he crossed the line, the yellow means stop if you're able to. The bus was accelerating from a dead-stop. VERY easy for him to stop again. He was just impatient. 1:57

[@weabae5910]

@@firebirdude2 because of yellow having 2 meanings one to proceed cautiously OR stop if safe to do so, stopping is a suggestion. It is not required to stop on a yellow, if the very front tip of your car goes over the line into the intersection before the light turns red you are now in the intersection and have the right of way to clear the intersection

[@irdmoose]

It's amazing how the government investigates itself and finds no wrongdoing. Seems to happen nearly every time, especially when government actors are the ones blatantly at fault.

[@paxluporum4447]

The mafia investigates the mafia. The mafia clears itself of all charges.

[@irdmoose]

@@paxluporum4447 And then the Mafia demands 1/3 of your pay and extracts it from your paycheck under threat of violence. It's why they go so hard on theft, they don't like the competition.

[@DeusKDuo]

Because there was no wrong doing the car was supposed to yield to the bus read cvc 21451. That is the green light law. Police ticketed me for doing what the bus did but I beat it in court the police lost.

[@irdmoose]

@@DeusKDuo The bus clearly ran the red light with the available evidence. The light was green for the bus' victim for a couple seconds before the bus crossed the line. The CVC section that you quoted doesn't apply, that section is about the petroleum industry.

[@DeusKDuo]

@@irdmoose I have no idea what code you looked up but you did not look up California vehicle code 21451. And the limit line is before the crosswalk the bus is on top of the cross walk when the car got the green so he is a good 10 ft passed the limit line.

[@stefanc4520]

Lmaooo the cop saying you DON'T have the right of way on green is freaking INSANE!

[@mikes-wv3em]

hes showing his bully retardation

[@LC-uh8if]

I get the reasoning he is using but he's misapplying it. Its for let's say, a car gets stuck in the intersection, you can't just go and slam into it. It doesn't mean you are at fault if someone tries to beat a yellow and turns in front of you.

[@stefanc4520]

@@LC-uh8if Green light = Priority over everything except Emergency services

[@afanasieguler7833]

imagine there's standstill traffic, somebody gets blocked in intersection, you're not allowed to smash into him, even if you have green, the logic is valid. The truth is the traffic signal is at fault, it should have enough time for the intersection to clear or the approaching cars see the cars that ran the yellow, you can see from his camera that the left on his side is still yellow when he has green, that should be in sync with the bus light since both lefts can be performed at same time.

[@DeusKDuo]

You don't, read the law that was quoted in the video CVC 21451

[@CHUCKSNORRIS]

Bus driver is SUPPOSED to be a PROFESSIONAL CDL driver. Cop is a liar.

[@McORighty]

waait wait wait. why there is no clearing time in this intersection? i mean: bus gets yellow and passes the last second yellow and while he is turning the opposite direction straight gets green light? wtf? traffic light controller hello?

[@weeardguy]

My thoughts exactly...

[@mrjag4089]

This is a common problem in large intersections. So yeah.. thank you for spotting the root of it

[@Jack-zy6ik]

The bus driver may not be at fault. I still think he could've stopped, but that yellow was so quick (especially for a left turn) that it didn't give the bus enough time to clear the intersection when he should've. Increase the yellow time from 3 seconds to 6.

[@kennethsrensen7706]

​@@Jack-zy6ik You are on to something very correct. The signal is simply timed to shift as fast as possible to get traffic flow as fast as possible. Just a few seconds longer time on the yellow ( and the other side should STAY at RED not shift to yellow/green ) then this would not have happen. But both sides turn yellow at same time and then red/green giving NO time to clear the path. BUT... Oh , man if they just slow that down a little they you will hear the drivers complaint of long waiting times ect. It's a result of bad traffic planning paired with the bad behaviours of drivers. Also drivers as soon as they see green light they speed up ( if aproaching and not already waiting ) This mean they simply move faster and as here doesn't leave time to watch out for traffic. You can see in video that all the other cars they Did NOT drive but waited for traffic to be clear , But he didn't slow down he speed up , driving and hit the bus. ( '''I have my right , it was green ''', syndrome ...) He didn't have more right that to be shure it was clear before drive. So who to blame ? The CAR DRIVER , he didn't look if it was free and didn't do as the others and wait. He speeded up in same second it was green light and , BAM there was a bus. But if you dare to mention this then they all go after you. But it is the truth. I see the same picture again and again in different countries. Too busy to actually observe what going on in traffic.

[@annaplojharova1400]

If there is a law in place that require you to yield anyone still within the crossing, there technically does not have to be any clearing time whatsoever in the signals. And if the bus was there legally? That is a question of barely milimeters - whether he was already past or still before the line at the moment the light turned red. And that was the bulk of following investigation, I guess. In any way should the bus be 10cm faster, so be in the crossing still legally, there is no way for the car driver to tell the difference, so he had to act like the bus was there legally. And clearly he didn't. And so that was clearly his part of the crash cause. So the final question was only whether the crash was caused by the car driver alone, or whether it was together with the bus driver. Either way good bye the insurance bonus...

[@bretwalley4673]

The Police are going to protect city assets when they can, the bus is owned by the city. It is clearly the bus drivers fault.

[@reupsvideos]

If a person's crossing the road and the traffic lights green doesn't mean you just run them over you stop and wait

[@VidClips858]

It's actually owned by a transportation district far larger than the city, but I get your point.

[@Minimal444]

If he entered intersection on yellow, he is not in the wrong. What caused this accident in reality is poorly calibrated traffic lights, that have no delay.

[@DeusKDuo]

Bus driver was completely legal the traffic lights are the issue.

[@jp-sn6si]

this is america, it's not about fault, it's about who has better lawyers.

[@willyames9463]

so apparently, green: stop and yield yellow: go red: go

[@michaelwittmann2771]

Lmfaooooo

[@Vindkast]

Looks like it, pure nonsense.

[@SuperNickid]

@Willy Ames: your an idot. Red mean if your not already in intersection you must stop behind the line, solid Green mean yield to paddression and traffic that are already in the intersection, yellow mean stop behind the stop line if it is safe to do so, a bus needed longer then that to safely stop on yellow, and using your feet to count how many feet long it is a bad idea and full of inaccuracy. Bus driver was already in intersection before light turn red. If your in the middle of the intersection and the light turn red, and you decided not to go because the light his red and the path your heading is not block, and you refuse to go on red when you are already inside the intersection you would be breaking this law blocking intersection.

[@willyames9463]

@@SuperNickid you clearly, are the idot.

[@willyames9463]

@@SuperNickid ive seen a semi truck stop in seconds after going 60+. this bus was going maybe 10-15 and had a full yellow light to stop. next time watch the video, and learn some proper grammar before you call someone else an idiot.

[@Tom-ob8yb]

Who is kidding Who here? The bus did not have the right of way. He is turning into oncoming traffic. The problem is city police investigating the same cities public transit. Conflict of interest right away. I am glad the innocent car driver is fine.

[@Anonarchist]

just because the signal's green doesn't always mean that you can go through it, but if the signal's yellow, you can always go through it and not be at fault, especially when you lie to the city about it.

[@devinw6332]

Considering his light was green for ages, I think it’s safe to say that he had the right of way.. if you turn in front of somebody with a green light however, you’re at fault.

[@ben.taylor]

Nobody's at fault in this. That intersection is highly dangerous by design and was an accident waiting to happen. This wouldn't have happened or been as severe if there were cues for drivers to slow down.

[@pierrechristian6767]

Here in Australia, the rule is “ give way to oncoming traffic when turning across an intersection then proceed when safe to do so.” The buses side destination display clearly shows,”not in service”, why then was there a passenger in the bus too?

[@limawhisky]

@@pierrechristian6767 Aussies are clever ppl :) you got it right!!!

[@jiogcyihsugyiocjfdoivhphvw6821]

not according to the drunk cop

[@aaron-damonkassner4715]

Normally when I see this I usually stop anyways and just honk. This was a stupid decision to blame the driver and not the bus driver. Bus driver wasn’t driving safely regardless of the yellow.

[@robertcollinsworth9113]

When you are driving a vehicle of that size, you NEVER challenge a stale yellow.

[@tywal]

The VTA driver is immediately worried he'll lose his job -- lies over the radio to his office. What a guy! It would be interesting to know if the auto driver's insurance sued to recover. I doubt it because it's almost always less expensive to settle the claim and move on. However, any passenger in the bus who was injured or claimed injury could quickly change that equation.

[@aliciamelendez4168]

To the city bus driver in this video: You made a left turn at a red arrow light and caused that accident. You also decided to falsely accuse someone else for your mistake. You do NOT deserve to drive a city bus anywhere.

[@joshalex93]

Wrong. Look at the video again. Even the reporter says the bus operator started the turn on yellow and the light disappears..

[@mas5867]

@@joshalex93 Finish the reporters comment. He said it disappears, but said he timed it and then proceeded to support his story that the bus driver was at fault.

[@kalatapie]

Conclusion: if you have enough connections you can run a red light, cause an accident and make it so the other guy was at fault. Great :)

[@aigtrader2984]

Except the bus driver never around the light. I call your attention to 3:12. The bus is clearly in the intersection, other traffic has stopped because the bus is in the intersection, and this driver comes up the right lane into an intersection he has no clear view of because his view is obstructed by the BMW.

[@sandwichbreath0]

@@aigtrader2984 The driver should back off as he approaches a partially obscured green-lit intersection, absolutely, but all that means here is he didn't get the opportunity to avoid the bus' bad driving. Nothing about this situation exonerates the bus driver at all. He punches it on the yellow arrow from a dead start and barely gets his front wheels to the line as the arrow turns red. He enters the intersection on red. The fact that his view (bus driver) was also obscured was further reason not to punch it into an intersection against a red or yellow arrow.

[@aigtrader2984]

@@sandwichbreath0 see that’s where you are wrong. If you look at the yellow turn light they are synced in both directions he was halfway across the intersection and the yellow turn light was still yellow. It’s also reasonable to assume that a bus driver on that route would know that no matter how you slice it one person was in the intersection and one person was not in the person who was not in the intersection had the duty to ensure that the intersection was clear before he entered it. That is the law, that is what the police found, and that is why it ended up being his fault. It would help if when the news man is talking trying to make this the bus drivers fault he wouldn’t narrate something that is directly opposite of what We can all see

[@flighted2513]

Wrong. I don't think you're from the US. Along with 41 other states, California is a "permissive yellow" state. As long as you crossed the limit line when the light is yellow, it is legal. This is to prevent people from speeding through the intersection to get out or slamming on the brakes and causing a rear-end collision. The opposite is "restrictive yellow" which means you must be out of the intersection before it turns red. Therefore, if the bus entered the intersection on a yellow, it cannot "jump the light".

[@flighted2513]

If pedestrians have to look both ways before crossing the street even if they have the light, why can't drivers check to see that nobody is going to collide with them? Idiots.

[@ZeroFloat.]

So basically, next time when having a green light, according to those police officers you should stop at every intersession in order to make sure nobody is on the way.

[@XxkittystarrXx]

Yeah that’s why you don’t floor it when the light changes to green. You wait a few seconds and then proceed to cross the intersection/light

[@jade8910]

@@XxkittystarrXx Its green, its time to go! Or do you enjoy getting honked at by the people behind you at every light?

[@Hi-vx2bb]

@@jade8910 A few seconds of caution isn't going to garner a honk. A few seconds is how long it takes you to build up speed letting go of the brake. Slamming on the gas flooring it through an intersection without looking out for red light runners will get you killed. You should be prepared to slam on the brakes not the gas, chicken without a head. Do you always assume there are no red light runners? Just tunnel vision ahead of you once it turns green?

[@LazyCrazyGuy]

It doesn't change the fact that the bus was at fault. Left always yields to oncoming traffic. He ran a red light. Simply put the bus driver should have been given a citation. Insurance never takes care of you. Get a lawyer and even then learn everything you can because you are your best defender. Last accident I had, I had to basically represent myself because my lawyer was too busy to submit proof that other driver was at fault. They were going to say we were both at fault. I fought it tooth and nail. I won and got paid well.

[@user-jn9dl9px6r]

It's korean alphabet/ Hangeul. They're not the same as Chinese alphabet.

[@jordanricker4948]

The only reason the Mazda driver could possibly be at fault would be the fact he had AGES to hit his brakes and avoid the accident altogether but all he did was make a stupid noise and ram the bus.

[@floflospeed24]

What a chance that there were so many cameras to help the car driver. I can't imagine how pissed I would be to have a green light for 4 seconds, have an accident, total my car, record it on dashcam, have an eye witness and STILL being told ''lol it's your fault'' 😅

[@egarcia1360]

@Stan Lee green means go, yellow means slow down, and red means stop - is that not how the light works? Please, enlighten us...

[@egarcia1360]

@Stan Lee what more is there? Sure, if you're in the intersection when it's yellow, you're good, but that bus was definitively NOT "in" that massive intersection by the time the light changed to red. Really not sure what your angle is here lol. Are you the bus driver, by chance?

[@eakerz5642]

@Stan LeeYou clearly suggested someone was an idiot and called him a moron after. Bryant called u the dumbest on this thread, which is quite obvious for us bystanders why he said it. You didnt even understand that. So I must call u dumb as well.

[@Yes-qo7yb]

@Stan Lee lol tell us how there's more to a traffic signal than that

[@lerkzor]

@Stan Lee Adding my opinion here: You are in the wrong, and you are being childishly rude to others by name-calling. I hope that your social skills improve as you mature.

[@Paul_Lucas]

It seems in the US lights routinely change at intersections with no "dead time". Here, in the UK, a junction (which is what we'd call it!) like this would not turn the lights to green for Canoy for a good 2-3 seconds after the bus' light had gone red. Thus, there would be a few seconds where no lights would be green at all, which gives traffic like the bus a few moments to clear the way. Here, we would expect a vehicle which has proceeded on a yellow light on the crest of it turning red to expedite its crossing, not to proceed cautiously.

[@2madrobot]

Completely agree. There should both lights be on red for at least 5-10 seconds before one side would get yellow and then green.

[@billyanderson321]

My town has a small dead time where all lights are red for a bit 2-3seconds. Clears intersections. I’m in Missouri, USA

[@muratisteinkeks]

That‘s mandatory in pretty much all of Europe and the UK I believe. Seems like an incredibly naive idea to leave no dead time between the lights changing. Might work for horses and carriages, but cars? No.

[@joeythefoxxo]

Most intersections in the US are actually like that. Red on both for a minimum of 3-5 seconds and up to 10 seconds sometimes. I really don’t know why it wasn’t like that there. Had to be some “city saving time and money with programming” issue.

[@terpman]

The US is a big place. You're going to see variations across different states, counties, and municipalities. In larger metro areas (like the DC Metro area where I am), there is a "dead time" of around 2-3 seconds in most major intersections. There is a very large incentive to minimize traffic down time as much as possible because of the extremely high volume of vehicles that need to travel through. It's a careful balance that traffic engineers have to consider.

[@snoopy1977]

That cop is covering for another city employee. The car driver got screwed. Cops like that cop are why I don't trust the police!

[@ShadowNova300]

Cops like that are why most people dont.

[@knocksensor3203]

Yeah..probably city government officials told PD to side with the city bus department to avoid a costly lawsuit ...slick 😉😙

[@r4z0r84]

this is why light changes have 6 seconds grace period of both being red before going green in australia (for large intersections) and 3 seconds for small ones.

[@mattthompson8487]

If I can't safely proceed through a GREEN light, then I just don't want to drive anymore 🙄

[@mattthompson8487]

@Paul Smith Pun intended?

[@tchevrier]

What if the bus had been stationary in the intersection. Say it had stalled and couldn't move. Does that give you the right to proceed through simply because you have a green light? What if it had been an emergency vehicle? A green light does not mean that it is safe to proceed through the intersection, it just means that you have the right of way to proceed through. How safely you proceed through is up to you.

[@TheMatsushitaMan]

@@tchevrier Drive around the bus, cars have steering wheels.

[@tomstdenis]

I dunno how it is in Cali but in Ontario (Canada) if you fully cross the stop line before the light turns red you have right of way. For instance, left turning traffic that enters the intersection waiting for through traffic to ease up before proceeding . It's possible to be caught there right up until your (and their) light turns red. AT which point perpendicular traffic now has the green but they have to wait for you to clear the intersection. So no, just because it's green doesn't mean you can beam it through an intersection.

[@mattthompson8487]

@@tomstdenis Well if the light was green long enough for the car driver to fully make an approach to it, then there is no way the bus was still in the intersection from a light that just turned red for his traffic. This is clearly a ran light on the bus drivers fault. Probably Miss Frizzle again🙄

[@mathijs5471]

everyone: debating which of the human beings are wrong in this scenario. me: the traffic lights are wrong! for real what about the poor calibration on those traffic lights, it seems like when one light turns red the other turns green immediately, even though this is a huge intersection since there is a tramrail in the middle. at 0:48 the light turns green, even though the car that entered the intersection before the bus was still on the intersection (that car didn't even go through yellow, it was plain green).

[@PlayaBurger]

I thought the exact same thing. How can a crash happen when both have pretty much green lights...

[@Shiftry87]

I hade the same ide. How can it be possable for 1 sector to be green before any crossing sector has turned red and hade a few sec for traffic to clear the intersection. ppl run yellow all the time so it is very possable that 1 would pass just as the light turn red and another lane turn green with a moving car already on the way. That is just a disaster waiting to happen.

[@discthrowerjs]

That's why there is a yellow light warning you it is turning red genius.

[@mathijs5471]

@@discthrowerjs hi genius, so? that means whenever a light turns red the other lights should turn green immediately? because that is not how traffic lights work. they should also consider the time needed for a car to get off the intersection, even if they went through yellow. even if they missed yellow and just go through red, there should be enough time to leave the intersection. If that bus went through yellow a second earlier, they would have probably still had an accident or atleast had to brake firmly.

[@TheHalusis]

it must be gauged for the larger margin of turn travel in that case

[@lookupsayaw530]

that bus driver was at fault.

[@calumobrien9234]

Rata 4U The police, the bus company and the insurance companies are wrong then. That bus driver was at fault. Fact.

[@tomaszek137]

When turning left you always have to stop

[@jfnovae]

Just because the lights green doesn't mean you can hit the old lady walking across the street. It's the same idea. The bus driver was clearly on the cusp of the point of no return. I had the car driver been paying attention and looking both ways and being aware he could have avoided the accident. The bus was certainly in motion before the car.

[@interestedbystander196]

@@tomaszek137 Agreed. The vehicle crossing traffic always has to yield; vehicle travelling straight always has right of way.

[@interestedbystander196]

@HomoTriSapien If these lights were that badly synchronised, then this intersection would already have been a known accident black spot. The way the enquiry seemed to run was that this was an unusual set of circumstances and they couldn't figure out who was to blame. If the lights were so bad, it would _definitely_ have happened before.

[@fionaatieno1535]

The bus was wrong, but also to preserve your life and avoid being maimed. Just use your eyes to make sure the road is clear. He sped into a crash because of a green light. Notice the other driver who actually could also have taken off because of a green light not move and get themselves in a mess?

[@anman366]

I am listening to what the Milpitas officer that was interviewed says, "a driver with a green light has the duty to ensure the intersection is safe to proceed". That begs the question to me -- doesn't a driver entering the intersection on a red light have an even higher duty to ensure that it is safe to proceed?!? To defend the wrong-doer is status quo anymore I guess. I hope that a good lawyer picks this one up for Canoy and gets him some justice.

[@robertbrown7917]

the car hit the bus....he had time to stop

[@kingcobra-gaming2341]

Operator did not enter the intersection on a red. he entered it on a yellow. this was clearly stated in the video. it was not his fault; in the laws eyes. In the companys eyes he was surely hit with a "preventable" accident, suffered substantial retraining and most likely being heavily watched if hes not fired.. I'm a city bus driver too and if a company deems it preventable they do NOT like a driver recking their bus and putting a vehicle out of service even if its not his fault legally.

[@astairawood9189]

Your comment is right. Since inception, the USA especially via the constitution main mandate has been to protect &shield the lawbreakers and criminals ‼️ The other guy who posted the bus turned on a yellow, even in the report it stated you can't see it but the light was read. If that arrow was yellow and the other light was green there would be accidents in that intersection 7-24-365-all the time till they fixed that problem

[@PhysifistEngineering]

@@robertbrown7917 the person turning must yield to oncoming traffic. It's the bus driver's fault and everybody here knows it @ss clown. Can't wait till this happens to you and we see what your thoughts are then.

[@rupertj1346]

On a yellow light

[@brianl5607]

Title: City BUS driver sends it and tries to beat yellow light on busy intersection. Also title: City cop finds out he's been colorblind since birth.

[@Drew7321]

More like: City cop takes bribe from local transportation company.

[@Drew7321]

@Stan Lee It is neither the bus, nor the car's fault. It is the city's fault for having a system whereby it is even possible for insufficient traversal of the intersection to permit a green that soon after the bus crossed that point. If the light was indeed green for him at that point, the timing from the car's visible dashcam indicates that there was insufficient time for the bus to clear the intersection before changing the other light to green.

[@vtwinbreed]

@Stan Lee The buses front wheels were crossing the last line when the arrow was already red.

[@jussayinmipeece1069]

update: city bus drive ran over at stop light

[@benzracer]

Lol I love how stan Lee's comment is just gone xD

[@IBegToDiffer200]

Remember guys, treat a green light on a major roadway like a 4 way stop, you never know when a bus is running a red light and is granted right of way. Also, don't bother calling the police, let them tell you after the fact you were wrong without even looking at dashcam footage from the bus.

[@jiogcyihsugyiocjfdoivhphvw6821]

lol too true

[@nicolem4110]

yeah this is a perfect way to get rear ended lmfaoo

[@TiffYG2133]

The cop that changed the report should be fired because that is not how traffic laws work and that is something basic they should know

[@davidturk6170]

Have to agree with the retired motorcycle officer. Since he’s retired, “higher ups” cannot “influence” his comments.

[@DeusKDuo]

Actually the retired officer and/or the news is being very shady they cut out the first half of the law. California Vehicle Code 21452. (a) A driver facing a steady circular yellow or yellow arrow signal is, by that signal, warned that the related green movement is ending or that a red indication will be shown immediately thereafter. Not one mention about stopping. But look at what green light laws are. California Vehicle Code 21451 (a) A driver facing a circular green signal shall proceed straight through or turn right or left or make a U-turn unless a sign prohibits a U-turn. Any driver, including one turning, shall yield the right-of-way to other traffic and to pedestrians lawfully within the intersection or an adjacent crosswalk. Look at that if you have a green you "shall yield the right-of-way to other traffic lawfully within the intersection" Meaning the retired cop and news are being sneaky they cut out the green light part for the broadcast and applied it to the bus but the bus ran a yellow according to the news so the law doesn't apply. The law only applies to the car. So the bus went in on yellow and was legally in the intersection well before the car meaning the car has to yield so the first officer was right not the retired one.

[@Larwood.]

@@DeusKDuo except the bus didn't go through a yellow, it went through a red

[@DeusKDuo]

@@Larwood. You can clearly see he passes the limit line well before it turns red. California and 41 other states are permissive yellow states once you touch the limit line before it turns red you are legally able to continue through the intersection. Only in the 8 other states you are required to stop if you cant make it all the way through before it turns red. Which is why the laws are written the way they are above, you don't just pick and choose how you want to follow it you have to take them all into consideration at once.

[@Larwood.]

@@DeusKDuo you didn't watch all the video I guess

[@DeusKDuo]

@@Larwood. how about explain it to me instead of "you didn't watch it all"

[@EA-oi6lx]

That is the problem with “officer’s discretion” and “interpretation” of the law. I’ve been pulled over for crossing LEGALLY on a yellow light (meaning my tires were already past the crosswalk and within the intersection) because according to the officer, I “ran” a red light. The fact that the intersection is so wide wasn’t taken into consideration either. That bus driver should’ve been driving safely and not like he was in a rush to go home. I hope he sued VTA

[@glennsundin8495]

The bus driver was looking to pass the blame to keep his job and pension, and as for the yellow you ran it depends if the cops need to pad there ticket count. Spoken to a few and they just don't always have the time to care. Most of them don't care but young cops and the likes are looking for blood in the water.

[@DeusKDuo]

If you are in a permissive yellow state such as California that should have been a slam dunk win for you in court. Did you take it to court? I have and won.

[@EA-oi6lx]

@@DeusKDuo this happened about 14-15 years ago when I was much younger so I did not sue unfortunately :(

[@DeusKDuo]

@@EA-oi6lx darn yeah, after a few spats with the police i made it my mission to always fight them in court after 3 wins in a row i suddenly stopped getting pulled over. To tell you the truth it takes some dedication because after the first win i was getting harrassed by them i filled complaints against them also though.

[@TheNichq]

Dont worry. This guy is now just gonna sue the city, win, and make way more money then his car repair cost. Tax payers taking the hit yet again.

[@TraustiGeir]

2:25 "...already past his limit line...in the crest of his turn." Buddy, did you leave your glasses at home?

[@mrjag4089]

HomoTriSapien I see it here in this video.. but even aside from this.. I’ve been noticing many large intersections throughout the Bay Area having this problem. I see the intersection shout-outs every day being a truck driver.. its usually everyone’s faults too.. but if all these problem intersections have a common problem AND another commonality such as the engineers/electricians who program them, then I’d say THATS where the blame should sit!

[@douggale5962]

I don't think I have ever seen a competently configured intersection. The configuration is idiotic at some time of day, at least.

[@ZeldagigafanMatthew]

He never wore them at all.

[@williamhuang8309]

*Proceeds to DRIVE FORWARD for a further 1 second*

[@pyarepiyush]

I can attest to the stupidity of that intersection. The left turn line stays green for all of 2 seconds, while 15 cars waiting to take the turn squeeze well past the light turns red. Its city's fault, amd also the bus driver's

[@michellem134]

I hope he sues. He should pursue this in court with that evidence. Not just leave it up to the city to decide.

[@swdashcams4476]

The officer at 3:52 must have accepted a bribe from VTA for defending the at-fault bus driver.

[@bachnguyen7411]

@Pouty MacPotatohead this gotta be the bus driver’s burner account

[@halflife103]

@Pouty MacPotatohead the bus wasnt in the intersection, it was behind the line, dont be an idiot. The bus could have easily stopped if the driver wasn't being an asshat. A bus going 8mph can easily stop in 40ft. Thats why they have airbrakes and the drivers are licensed. if the driver actually took his job seriously he could have hammered on the binders and this whole thing wouldn't have happened. And you wouldn't have commented looking like a smoothbrain.

[@jaydendixon7300]

@Pouty MacPotatohead He doesn't have the legal right to enter the intersection though, at least here in Australia if it is safe enough to stop on a yellow light, then you must stop otherwise you could be fined. Maybe it's different in America but running a yellow light is illegally entering the intersection

[@fuiwfnbnufjehnfojui4251]

@@jaydendixon7300 At least where I am, you are required to stop on yellow if it can be done safely You are also required to exit the intersection before it changed to red. It differs slightly from place to place but I agree the bus should have stopped. I also agree that the car was paying 0 attention to his surroundings.

[@halflife103]

@Pouty MacPotatohead if you come across an amber you are required by law to stop. This is a law. The bus had more than enough time to stop. The bus was behind the line when the light was orange, you csnt just pretend like a law doesnt exist because you don't like it lol

[@jonasburrell7352]

I love how even when your not at fault your at fault. Even when the proof is on camera

[@Napert]

"why are you scared about losing your privacy if you have nothing to hide?"

[@abyssstrider2547]

He was at fault though, watch the lights. The bus likely went through when it was green or yellow (in some countries busses can go through yellow light) and he saw the bus as well, so he should have yielded. In fact in driving school you are taught that you must yield to public transport, ambulances, fire trucks and police vehicles. Thus even if you were in the right you would actually not be because you violated a basic rule that you are taught.

[@gingercat7925]

*you're

[@squodge]

@@abyssstrider2547 - how can you yield to a fricking bus that you don't see until the moment of impact? The bus was empty (looks like it was being driven back to depot or something), and the driver is somehow in a hurry. The investigator even timed the incident - the light was on yellow for 3 seconds for the bus driver, so he can't claim he had no time to stop. He driving into a blind spot (turning left into the intersection), so more reason to slow down... but it looks like he sped up.

[@buildman126]

@Abyss Strider Nah bs, check back on the video. There was a car blocking his view in the left lane. He couldn't see the bus till he was at the line. At most, he had 3 seconds to react. That intersection was completely clear from his view. Would you have stopped on a green of about 4-5 seconds, you don't see any traffic, and it looks crystal clear. Of course you would

[@DeusKDuo]

I blame the city traffic engineers for creating the situation were both think they could legally go through the intersection. The intersection is very wide so should be using delayed lights, where both intersection are red for about 2 seconds before the light changes. Our city uses such a strategy even for smaller intersections because instead of relying on the drivers to make the decision it just prevents such a situation from occurring at all by removing human error from it.

[@warailawildrunner5300]

I does seem a bit strange to me to see both a green and yellow at pretty much similar times. Here in the UK, the lights go red for one side of the traffic flow before the other one even starts turning green. That way there is no ambiguity.

[@jayl2499]

Agree. It seems to me that the light wasn't timed correctly. A 2 seconds delay would probably give the driver more time to react. Maybe the city is trying to cover their mistake.

[@MrEmperor96]

You need to make sure the intersection is clear before entering it. Just because you have the green doesn't mean you can go in blindly. Do you see how the cars around the guy are still waiting for the intersection to clear before entering it.