Drawabox Lesson 1, Exercise 3: Ghosted Planes

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As promised, the link to the video of ScyllaStew working through this exercise: • Drawabox Lesson 1, Exe...
This exercise introduces you to the ghosted method, which will play an incredibly important role to how we make marks throughout this entire course. At its core, it exists to help train you think before you draw.
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[@mantisonmoon983]

to everyone who get up this point and myself, YOU CAN DO IT

[@velenvskaelhas]

But isnt this the very start?

[@retrogamer3775]

@@velenvskaelhas imagine how hard the next would be But never give up Even if you feel like it's hard never give up. Fight

[@Leaffons]

@@velenvskaelhas pshhhhh, can’t think about that, still stuck on this one

[@cavemann_]

@@velenvskaelhas The urge to go back to my unhealthy habits and just start gaming for 2 weeks straight is rather strong, so I have to say yes. Yes, this is very hard, please help.

[@nicksyoutubeaccount]

@@cavemann_ This is my game now

[@artie4319]

This exercise was quite frustrating, made me realize I needed to improve my wobbly lines. I aint giving up

[@Yoni123]

Have you gotten better?

[@artie4319]

@@Yoni123 I have! But tbh you have to be consistent, it is not a perfect line but it def got better, I would say what improved the most is my hand and brain coordination, referring to like precision when choosing where to make a line.

[@vijaysaisundar1525]

@@chadrichard1485 hahahaha

[@dashad1099]

@@chadrichard1485 2 months is too little of a study-

[@birdperson7062]

9 months passed Hows your drwing skills?

[@stevengordon3025]

I'm a (somewhat) self-taught amateur artist/professional graphic designer (age 53) and this course is filling in the gaps and properly training me in how to make confident marks. Now I understand what my illustrator friends were talking about. Thank you for providing this material.

[@Uncomfortable]

I'm glad I could help!

[@risingcode3909]

I have faith that drawabox will be able to teach me what I need to learn to improve my art. Never give up!

[@KingTubeAR]

how'd it go?

[@mittu3346]

i have motivation issues, and even though i'm not very motivated. i've got here with what i do have regardless of how motivated yall are. you've got up to this point + going backwards is only gonna be detrimental to you cmon, u got this, even if u dont think u do. i believe in u

[@rodericks.soundpaints9512]

same, i started today and i'm already feeling overwhelmed.. i just finished the other 3 pages for the homework. now 2 pages of this and i'll start ellipses tomorrow. i'm cheering for you and the others!

[@avatar1867]

The key go motivation is fantasizing and thinking about what you expect to happen. What you expect to get from your efforts. What you are EXPECTING. Expectation is the real motivation.

[@kaleb749]

Motivation is fickle, routine, schedule, and habit are not. I don’t know too much about whether you should apply scheduling to art creation, but I’m betting that paradigm I’ve learned at least applies to art practice

[@syntheticgalaxy3535]

I also want to add, especially for those folk who are easily angered or frustrated like me. The more tilted you get, the messier your work will be. If you find yourself getting pissed, breathing control helps a lot. I find it helps that I inhale while prepping and ghosting and exhale when executing, it will make your lines a lot less erratic and more smooth.

[@syntheticgalaxy3535]

@@Uncomfortable I am having an issue with being discouraged, I feel like a lot of peoples work on the critiquing side are actually good unlike mine, is there anything I can do to overcome this?

[@jackdrophammer]

​​@@syntheticgalaxy3535what did you mean specifically?, sorry I'm about 2yrs late here

[@officeoutlaws467]

If you made it this far, you are not alone, you got this. I have been self taught for years and years and this course is teaching me so much already. Happy to have found it. This community is great. Thank you.

[@bloopus]

Good thing you mentioned the thing with the pen. Mine keeps dying on me (Extremely often), so I asked in the store and the lady said these pens like to be stored horizontally. For everyone else who is having trouble keeping the pen upright: A help in keeping your pen upright is, at least in my case, to tilt the pen into the opposite direction of your line's end. In the example above it would be roughly to the left shoulder. It gives me about a 90° angle. I hope this helps somebody :)

[@The_Dealmaker992]

This is what we in the industry like to call a *difficulty spike.* I don't plan on giving up though!

[@Kiki-lk9xy]

Him: later on we will be drawing boxes! Me: oh shit *worried*

[@kaviscorea8302]

I really liked the end speech/lecture, regarding rushing. I sorta did have this feeling through the last two exercises, of not needing to ghost my lines because of so many being done. That little reminder to take my time was good :P

[@Segaco4]

Oh wow I got here one day after this was uploaded Hi!! And thank you for everything you do!!!

[@GoogleAccount-mn3zm]

If you have come upto this point, YOU are doing great. YOU are putting in practice and the RESULTS DON'T MATTER!! Persevere, YOU are doing GREAT!! Just motivation for someone getting unmotivated:)

[@boiihiu7111]

Thank You so much, I really needed that right now :)

[@suzysquidink]

I get so weirdly in my head about whether I'm concentrating enough or doing it right lol

[@vana4076]

I’d already been using my whole arm to draw lines (and was very comfortable with lineart) but going through these homework exercises has already made me so much more confident. I’m kind of sad I didn’t know about drawabox before now!

[@nelsongraham108]

Im happy i stumbled upon your course. Thank you.

[@BrainDent]

im finding this exercise both extrememly fun and challenging. i can feel myself getting slightly better with each conpleted box and im excited to do more after my math homework maybe i can put the lessons to use in my parabolas

[@knownstranger3115]

I have this problem where I cant get my dots in the right position. I used a ruler but the continuously remain in the wrong place. Any tips? OMG OMG After about 3 days of doing this, I can draw straight lines without doing the ghosting thing, (planning out where to go without going over it in the air). However, it doesn't land directly on the circle, but it land close to where i want it to go. Im so proud of myself. Thx @Uncomfortable

[@Lingatsu]

It's difficult but I see some progress. Thank you for these great courses.

[@umaruchan6900]

This is kinda fun like I’m in school :)

[@Straight_to_dust]

Thank you, you human gem.

[@kakak3282]

Thank you!!!

[@shahshankyadav9663]

I have a tip if you figured it out congrats But really if you don't lean your hands on desk or paper just levitate them or slightly touching the surface(don't apply force light up your hands I.e) your accuracy to the points and straight lines also strokes will improve

[@The_Horse-leafs_Cabbage]

This practice of ghosting will certainly come in handy, and I imagine it will help once I reach the banes of my artistic existence... ellipses, circles, and cylinders.

[@DarkPriestess1]

we got this fam!

[@Chevypitts]

Tysm this exercise is helping aton with perspective

[@blackhoundrise8431]

this is tough. gotta hang in there

[@sodapaula]

im a community college student and i already took beginner's classes about three years ago. i didnt know ghost planes/lines is a thing and keep creating scratches in my artwork. watching the videos does help with being more confident with my strokes and lines.

[@daxs18]

thank you so much, and wish the best to all of you out there doing this!

[@sikawatthanaviratananich496]

Thanks

[@sharonolowoyo9141]

i love these exercises, i never realized how much thought goes into ghosting. i picked this because i realized i had a lot of shaking when drawing and i tended to draw small lines to get a long line and i wasn't happy. just the first two homeworks and i can definitely see what i have been doing wrong. my shoulder is feeling it tho😂😂

[@ROBBOBBYJUNIOR]

Suddenly I was hitting heads hots consistently in fps games

[@CarolChiovatto]

I found out about drawabox months ago and started following the course. I'm on my homework 1. I'm happy, even though it takes time to improve, because as I was trying to learn from videos teaching specific things I noticed that my hand couldn’t understand what I was trying to achieve. I noticed I had to train my brain to see things another way. These lessons have been helping a lot, so thank you ❤

[@Uncomfortable]

I'm glad our lessons have helped. Thank you for the kind words!

[@oliveriokan]

I have a question. This is the first time I've taken seriously a drawing course. So it is inherently hard for me to draw for fun; right now I'm lesson 1 doing ghost planes, and is super hard. How should I draw while using my other half of my time for fun? Trying to use all I've learned or just drawing hoping all the practice have been engraved in my brain. Should drawing for fun be challenging while I'm beginner or just relaxing? I'm sorry if I am not explaining myself correctly.

[@Uncomfortable]

What you're asking is a very standard, common question. When following the 50% rule and spending your time drawing just for the sake of drawing, it *will* be frustrating. That's why I don't generally refer to it as "drawing for fun" because often times it's not. It's asking yourself to push outside of your comfort zone, and to try to draw the things that you know won't turn out well. To draw them anyway. During this time, you do not need to try to actively apply what you've learned. The goal of Drawabox is to provide you with enough active mileage doing the exercises that the concepts will sink into your subonscious, muscle memory, and instincts. Outside of the course's exercises and lessons, you don't need to worry about it - it will sink in on its own. Instead, focus on two things: 1. Ask yourself what you would draw once you'd amassed all the skills. Some students have long term goals about what they'd like to create, so if you have those, try to produce them now. They will turn out badly, but it really won't do any harm. 2. Draw those things in whatever way feels most comfortable to you right now. If that means chicken scratching (even though that's a big no-no in the drawabox course), that's totally fine for this 50%. Draw however feels most natural. If you are having trouble picking things to draw, we do have a channel in our discord server called #drawing-prompts, where we have a ton of detailed prompts meant to serve as interesting starting points for students struggling to find something to draw. You'll find a link to the discord server in the video description.

[@oliveriokan]

@@UncomfortableAlright. I think you've answered my question. Thank you. I am studying an engineering degree and having drawing skills is extremely beneficial. Obviously drawing some silly things doesn't hurt haha.

[@hauntering_j1249]

I had the exact same question. As another engineer, I hope practicing drawing isn't overly time-consuming and draining

[@janvisagie231]

@@hauntering_j1249 What practice isn't time-consuming and/or draining? I cannot think of any such example (that is if your true goal is to get better at that which you are practicing for).

[@Artisticemmy]

@@Uncomfortable Thank-you. Thank-you so much. Tears actually came to my eyes reading this. I don't know why.

[@artofbrypaz]

Let’s do this!!

[@okydez3617]

It’s okay to overshoot the point, but what about undershooting? I don’t know why, but I cannot get my lines to make it to the second point. My lines are straight for the most part. I guess using shoulder and confidence is the key points to this exercise, but I wonder if undershooting is a sign of second guessing? Edit: It was because I was rushing & not having patience.

[@Uncomfortable]

Undershooting and overshooting are basically two sides of the same coin. It's normal, and usually a student will rubberband between overshooting (lots of confidence), then undershooting (overcorrecting), then back to overshooting, etc. with the margin of error growing smaller over time. It's a normal part of the process, and you will gradually learn to apply the ghosting method more effectively, invest more time in planning, and generally develop better control of your arm over time.

[@rodericks.soundpaints9512]

@@Uncomfortable thanks for explaining. i was worried since my overshooting led to undershooting and vice versa. it makes sense now.

[@daytonagreg8765]

If you continuously undershoot try using his “opposite arc technique”. Try overshooting each line by a couple mm’s or a centimeter (cm) to try and rewire your brain to stop at the correct length. Pretty soon your brain will get the message.

[@zknightman74]

My lines are straight but there are micro wobbles….AHHHHH

[@Geriato]

Story of my life 😭😭

[@may1.0]

i found this exercise and the previous one to be fairly easy for me as well as fun, contrary to the superimposed lines, which i HATED with burning passion(ig that means ill have to do it as my warm-up untill im better at it). ofc my lines are not perfect and i still have a problem with overshooting but i can already see my improvement on the same page

[@truedark212]

every time i watch these viedo i learn one more thing i should of took into consideration.

[@LordCaim]

MOARR

[@crimsomnia1415]

I drew those lines like my life dependent on each stroke and it felt like my brain was on fire by the end of it.

[@Uncomfortable]

It certainly sounds like you gave it your all! Just be sure to take breaks whenever you need them.

[@theowenator2006]

The thing I am thinking is that the more extreme the perspective of the planes, the more off-center the intersection off the diagonal lines is. In this case the "bisection" lines don't go from the center of the strokes. Does this mean you should kind of average the angle of the bisection lines based on the two that it is parallel to?

[@Uncomfortable]

When doing this exercise, especially earlier on in the course, you shouldn't be worrying about perspective. If you're much later through the course however, then you would first draw across from diagonal to diagonal to find the center of the plane, then orient your further bisection lines such that they converge with two other edges of the plane, while passing through the center.

[@kamlaverma5877]

If I finished both the other exercises I can do this right? Also with my ghosted lines their straight and go to the points but I keep overshooting to match even with the lifting the pen On more question, do I hand in this homework if so how

[@Uncomfortable]

If you've completed the assigned quantity of the previous exercises, then yeah, you'd move onto this exercise. As for getting feedback on your work, you can do so right on the Drawabox website's community platform (there's a "submit homework for review" button right on each lesson), on the discord server (link's in the video description), or on our subreddit (link's in the video description). Those are all free avenues where the community gives feedback (though it's not guaranteed). There is an option for paid feedback that is available through the website, though submissions for this "official critique" need to include all the work for the whole lesson.

[@d4rkcause]

Planes here we go !! priu priu priu piru piru piru~

[@husnaalsina1794]

the comments are really encouraging .

[@shivani_]

we're all in this together! you can do it!! :)

[@maybeeart4286]

This made my head hurt lmao I dont know why. 😆 🤣 😂

[@user-vy8zi8ie2j]

From a geometric perspective you should have a quite special quadrilateral to have diagonals intercept at the same point as those lines from mediums of each pair of opposite sides. On your drawings it seems like in some cases you purposely draw not mediums, but just 2 points so that they go through the “center”. Is it so?

[@cogwun]

Drawing straight lines between the corners on a quadrilateral will always find the exact centre. Lines between the mid points of the edges will always intersect the centre point. With a ruler it's precise, but doing it by eye will be less so

[@Meleeman011]

tbh i'm kinda rushing a bit. i'll make piecemeal of it once a week i think arm is deffo sore in a way i'm not used to

[@NikolasLim]

For this exercise, is it purely done with outward strokes only? As shown in the video (driving pen away from body). Sometimes I find it more intuitive to link the dots up with inward stroke, pen driving towards ourselves.

[@NikolasLim]

@@Uncomfortable Thank you for the response! 😊

[@ciarabm1370]

My god this was humbling 😅

[@lauravsthepage]

Might sound like a dumb question but any suggestions on keeping your sheet of paper from moving around on you while you draw? I am finding half the challenge is drawing the line the other half is keeping the page still.

[@Uncomfortable]

I do find that when I've got a single sheet on a tabletop, it tends to slide around a lot more - so I usually work on a stack of pages, it provides a bit more stability.

[@Thesamurai1999]

Why not hold it down with your other hand?

[@badbad6763]

it is hard to draw the planes that get smaller on one side symmetrically

[@Dewt0x]

one question i have is how does the height of your table affect your ability to draw with your shoulder, and how does it affect your "stamina"? Is there a recommendation of height?

[@Uncomfortable]

You can find that information towards the end of the "Tools" video from Lesson 0, which you'll find here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5jbp2yarsiaa7M . Be sure to read through the lessons on the website rather than jumping from video to video here on KZbin, as that's the best way to avoid missing information.

[@tic857]

Yes it does matter. If you're starting out it should be somewhere around your elbow when its by your side and your arms are bent 90 degrees and then raise it up until you find a comfortable height. But also how your legs are resting too. You don't want your knees to be too high or low because you'll stress out your hips and back. I find it easier to sit in a chair with my feet on the ground legs around 90 degrees and find a table that is around where I want it to be and then get an adjustable chair...

[@teapancake5984]

should we try to go as slow as in the video, whenever I draw slower the lines end up more arched, am I doing this wrong maybe?

[@Uncomfortable]

Your focus should be on achieving a *confident* execution. If you can maintain the confidence of a stroke at a slower pace, then that's fine. But if you find that it causes you to wobble or hesitate, then you should speed up again. If you're finding that your lines are arcing however, I explain how to address that here: drawabox.com/lesson/1/9/arc

[@teapancake5984]

@@Uncomfortable thank you ^^

[@mochafrappawhat]

Hey yall, idk about you guys and I know it doesn't matter at this stage, but lines not crossing in the middle and being super far-off is annoying tf outta me x.x Edit: also if we over/undershoot, do we still try to connect with the dots we made or try to connect the ends of the inaccurate lines?

[@Sephirothskr]

Comfy, I'm often told 'Seph, if you wanna get better at painting, you need to learn fundamentals." I stubbornly refuse for over 2 years now and I still can hardly paint. Is it true that by the end of this I'll somehow be a better painter? I'm not 100% sure how I'll connect what I learn from here to painting, but I'm trying to stick with it to the end. I've dropped out at the rotated boxes each time, but I'm committed to making it all the way through to the very end for once. :)

[@Uncomfortable]

There are a lot of different fundamentals - the ones we deal with in this course focus primarily on developing a student's understanding of how the things they're drawing generally exist in three dimensions, even if they're stylized in a manner that flattens them out. It's about understanding how those forms relate to one another in 3D space, so that we can more effectively this understanding into our work. 3D spatial reasoning informs a great deal, not least of all how light interacts with the objects in our scenes, resulting in shading and shadows, as well as the interaction of colour. All of that is very important for painting. That isn't to say that this course will teach you how to paint - but it'll teach you how to understand the things you're painting better, which will have its own impacts on your work, as well as helping you to better apply the things you learn in other courses and from other resources.

[@SyoDraws]

Thanks for this course! One question: how might I apply these lessons about line confidence, and planning lines, to a sketch where I might be "searching" for the placement of objects before tidying it up? Is this practice of searching oroblematic in any way, outside of the course? Is it better to plan in my head before drawing, like I would do with line ghostings? Thank you.

[@Uncomfortable]

The thing to keep in mind is that the exercises we do throughout this course - including the constructional drawings we do in the later lessons - are all activities whose purpose is to rewire the way in which our brains behave instinctually. It changes how we automatically approach executing our marks, it changes how we understand the relationship between those marks and what they're meant to represent in 3D space, and so on. So what you learn here exists in a bubble, not necessarily to be applied directly (although there are certainly cases where such techniques can help us solve particularly tricky marks, or tricky spatial reasoning problems), but rather to help develop those underlying instincts. In turn, this allows us to focus less consciously on *how* we're making each mark, and more on what it is we're trying to draw.

[@SyoDraws]

@@Uncomfortable ah, i see. So the goal is to internalize the techniques here so that I instinctively use them later on? Also, about the 50% rule: I often find that doing the exercises is easier (and sometimes, more fun) than just drawing, often because the exercises give me something to do, and other than that, I dont often experience inspiration to draw anything, despite my motivation and inclination to draw. Trying to have fun, ironically, isn't very fun. How might i begin tackling this lack of inspiration, given that the obvious "draw what you like" doesn't seem to work that much? Thank you very much.

[@Uncomfortable]

@@SyoDraws Keep in mind that the goal of the 50% rule is not to do what you find fun. In fact, the word "fun" never comes up. The goal is to force yourself to draw for the sake of drawing, not to make your decisions based on a desire for the end result to come out well, so you can shift your focus from the result to the act of drawing itself. It very much requires you to push yourself until it becomes easier to do so, to push beyond the lack of "inspiration", and to take power away from the voice in your head that worries about wasting time, or doing things that have no perceived value. In its entirety, the 50% rule exists to address the points you raised - that you don't feel inspired. Inspiration is something students chase as though it's going to give them the drive to follow through, but in that it is not reliable, nor consistent, nor really all that useful in the grand scheme of things. It is far better to get used to drawing regardless of the whims of your emotions.

[@SyoDraws]

@@Uncomfortable okay, thank you so much. So, if i understand correctly, the point of the 50% rule is to get me in a mindset where I'm more focused on the "process" or act of drawing than on making something that looks good?

[@Uncomfortable]

@@SyoDraws That is correct.

[@bloodybackfat]

day 3 here we go...

[@kori368]

Started drawabox but what do I do if this is too easy for me? Because I can do slow and fast lines straight and confident

[@Uncomfortable]

Regardless of whether you find it easy or hard, you should still be approaching it as though from a blank slate, precisely as instructed. You never know what gaps you have in your understanding, and if you try and skip over things or rush parts, you will end up missing opportunities to fill those gaps in. I myself ended up going back to the fundamentals like this - and paid a hefty penny to do so - after 10 years of being self taught. It was only after those 10 years I was able to accept the fact that in order to really give myself a solid foundation, I'd have to set aside my ego and approach it as a beginner.

[@GrammerPancreas]

It's still useful. Do you stop going on jogs just because you can run a marathon?

[@Fuyukori]

Do we move our shoulder or elbows for these?

[@Uncomfortable]

In this course, you will not be using your elbow. You'll either choose between your shoulder or your wrist, with *most* marks being drawn from the shoulder (since most marks require a smooth flow rather than a stiff precision).

[@Fuyukori]

@@Uncomfortable Okay thanks for the clarification I Can't wait to get started!

[@bluebrowney251]

Ok so I just realized I naturally have a quadrupod grip rather than a tripod grip, should I try to changing my grip?

[@Uncomfortable]

If it's the way you hold the pen when writing, and you find it comfortable, then there's no need to change your grip. I explain this further in this section: drawabox.com/lesson/1/2/grip

[@bluebrowney251]

@@Uncomfortable Thank you

[@dudewhatthehell6256]

Is it supposed to hurt in my tricep area when I try to draw with my shoulder? Was wondering if I'm doing it right

[@Uncomfortable]

Depends on what you mean by "hurt" - if it gets sore, like it's been put through its paces, that's probably normal. If we're talking about sharp, immediate discomfort, then no - you may be doing it incorrectly and should stop. Basically it's going to be sore initially because you're employing muscles that haven't been used in this manner before. What we're doing are still natural motions, so there shouldn't be any sharp pains, just the normal soreness that comes with having exercised a muscle group.

[@dudewhatthehell6256]

@@Uncomfortable Guess I'm doing it wrong then. How to do it properly?

[@Uncomfortable]

@@dudewhatthehell6256 I demonstrate how to use your arm in this section: drawabox.com/lesson/1/2/video . Beyond that, if you're still struggling and running into sharp pains when doing so, you may want to talk about it with a medical professional. I'd hate to give you advice that might cause or exacerbate an injury, and being someone on the internet (especially one without medical training), the advice I can give on this front is limited.

[@dudewhatthehell6256]

@@Uncomfortable should I do the exercises again?

[@Uncomfortable]

@@dudewhatthehell6256 Once you've figured out what's going wrong with the approach, yeah, that'd be a good idea.

[@tonystank1214]

Does anyone else have the problem of your sharpie getting on the paper when you ghost? I’m on the rough perspective exercise and that’s part of the reason I haven’t done the two sheets of homework and moved on. It’s an annoying problem and its hard to get around it.

[@tonystank1214]

To anyone who may see this I really don’t know if I should move on and do more of the lessons like he says. The rough perspective sheets look really bad and their only practice, I didn’t actually do the official homework yet because of how much I struggle with my lines.

[@Uncomfortable]

@@tonystank1214 It's really not a big deal - if you end up with a few extra additional marks from accidentally touching the page, that is. That said, make sure that you're resting your hand gently on the page, as it'll help you maintain more stability (which should help you keep your pen at a steady height and avoid making those additional marks).

[@tonystank1214]

Uncomfortable Thank you for replying, it was a big problem but its thankfully gotten better/went away when I looked at the drawabox topic in reddit. I figured out that my hand was having a little too much weight on the paper. I have one more question, every time I scroll to the bottom of the lesson I’m on now I see that you recommend Marshall Vandruff perspective course and I have looked it up and decided I want to buy it. Will that be okay to be doing while in drawabox, or like the other greater percent we put into drawing (for fun). I’m just a little confused if I should still get the course or not.

[@Uncomfortable]

@@tonystank1214 So you can absolutely do other courses alongside Drawabox, but you have to keep a couple things in mind. Firstly, when following Drawabox, you follow the instructions here to the letter - don't mix and match with techniques or concepts covered in any other courses you're taking. Secondly, note that other courses still fall into the same 50% as Drawabox (the time spent on learning/improving). So you'll still have to match that time with time spent drawing for the sake of drawing, in order to follow the 50% rule as intended.

[@tonystank1214]

Uncomfortable Thank you for replying to all these messages, you really have been a great help this whole course!

[@flipperflapper6682]

Doing this for at least 1 hour a day for 3 weeks and I still cant make straight lines. all of my lines are wobbly this is incredibly frustrating...

[@ryze_xspitez2920]

These planes don’t stand a single chance I’ve already crushed 4 sharpie fine liners during the first exercise.

[@Uncomfortable]

You uhh... might want to ease up on how much pressure you're using, and maybe loosen up on your grip a little bit :P

[@ryze_xspitez2920]

@@Uncomfortable I already broke another one mate don’t worry I have plenty I just got mechanic hands still stoked though

[@gregxz1]

Ahh here's the wall

[@rudeboy6580]

WHY MY DOTS ARENT CONNECTING

[@secret390]

Im doing it fast :< thats why I keep making mistakes pfft

[@bradstates3697]

Best thing is you can recognize it. I try a lot of KZbin drawing tutorials, and I had to come back to this one because it keeps you honest with each building block you need to draw comfortably. I'm glad hes redoing this cause I tried the last course and burned myself out trying to power through it. Ended up being completely lost during lesson 2. I can now pace myself as each new lesson is posted

[@KlavierEum]

Please tell us that not to toss this paper to trash can. It is re-used later. 😢

[@jevilcatfan123]

My shoulder hurts

[@AmonForatto]

Lines are the easy part. Trust me

[@dryadmantis5354]

Sir I find the little mascot on the bottom left at 5:18 very distracting (more so with the sound he makes), could you pls in the next updated videos say by voice what he's saying instead of showing him?

[@zknightman74]

Man mine are so wobbly. Ugh

[@BATMAN10N]

I'm going on grinding random stuff cause I feel like I'm not getting anywhere LMAO might as well do this too

[@qvindicator]

These lessons aren't supposed to be grinded. You're probably not getting anywhere because you are grinding *random* stuff. Mastering a subject takes deliberate practice. Not random practice.

[@meat981]

5:32 oooo assertive 🥴

[@Kracatra]

@ me in one year to see if i gave up

[@isaiah1975]

How you faring

[@Kracatra]

@@isaiah1975 well i'm not super fast but i'm at my first 15 box of the 250 box challenge

[@CallMeGig]

2024 gang🎉

[@loneylowf8876]

pen not 90º to the paper *angry faces*

[@khrystianadams8165]

I don't get what's so important about it. My goal differs from these lessons. Mine are to get foreshortening, perspective while making the human look male or female

[@Uncomfortable]

The things you listed are themselves more intermediate and advanced concepts that build upon these kinds of core, underlying concepts. Think of it as learning how to walk before you run - or at least, if you're going to learn both simultaneously, that as you get better at the basics of walking, the things being explained in regards to how to run will start to make more sense. Ultimately what we explore in Drawabox are what I consider the "core fundamentals" of drawing. That is, things that precede any specific goals or targets. It comes down to learning how to make confident, purposeful linework, developing patience and discipline in your approach to learning, and developing an understanding of how the things you draw on a flat page actually exist in a three dimensional world. You may want to learn this explanation I gave to another student, explaining the role the fundamentals play when it comes to learning specific kinds of styles. It's not exactly what you're asking about, but I feel it may be relevant to you: www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/gpxkca/the_battle_with_style_vs_fundamentals/frpzxn1/

[@khrystianadams8165]

@@Uncomfortable ty. Even if I do "Master" these fundementals. I have no idea to apply them the way I want in my characters and it different angles

[@Uncomfortable]

@@khrystianadams8165 It's easier to think of it in the context of sports. When people play soccer, they practice dribbling and ball handling drills. They're exercises that help develop their muscle memory and core understandings, but it's not the performance they're ultimately meaning to put on. Everything we do in this course is an exercise - even the later drawings of insects, animals, and vehicles - each one is just an exercise to help develop your brain's understanding of 3D space, using each subject as a new lens and angle from which to attack the same problem. The issue you're remarking upon is why the 50% rule, as introduced in Lesson 0, is so important. The exercises on their own play only a part. We still need to be drawing our own things - in your case, drawing your characters. When applying the 50% rule and drawing just for the sake of drawing, I don't push students to consciously try to apply the concepts they've learned - because if Drawabox is doing its job correctly, it should influence the subconscious aspects of how you draw. Of course that won't happen immediately - it's a gradual thing that occurs over the many months this course requires. And of course, the same principle should be applied when you actually learn figure drawing and anatomy - learning is done through exercises, which are targeted and designed to help develop the way in which your brain works, rewiring how it tackles certain problems. If you opt to learn strictly by performing - that is, by drawing the things that interest you and relate directly to those interests - then you will certainly grow, but it will be quite slow and gradual. I did that myself, for the first ten years, and I certainly improved. When I changed the way I approached it all, and actually learned from others' curriculums (both on my own and in classroom environments), the use of targeted exercises helped me improve my skills as much as I had in that previous decade, in a matter of months.

[@khrystianadams8165]

@@Uncomfortable I hope it right about drawabox