How You Can Safely Taper Off Suboxone Without Withdrawal

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[@DrBAddictionRecovery]

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[@ljg9981]

@@G2S_Tv lyrica is really good for withdrawals.

[@ljg9981]

The best way to get rid of withdrawals is through lyrica or get yourself marijuana and decarb it in the oven 240 degrees for 40 minutes. Take this marijuana as needed. You can eat it directly out of the oven now and you can store it in a plastic container but it must be taken with some sort of fat like peanut butter or fish oil tabs. Just eat some marijuana when your feeling crappy or take a few lyrica and slowly each week cut a little more off your strip until you are down to nothing and keep yourself medicated and you should be pretty much withdrawal free except some tiredness from the medication and marijuana but it's better than sweating and feeling ill. I've beat suboxone using this method. Good luck.

[@1known2]

@@ljg9981 tell me more

[@1known2]

I am on 1mg maximum and only getting through 18 hours before I loose all energy etc / I have been on this low dose of 1mg for a month and the low dose is fighting against my ability to cope normally, I can’t try again to come off it for another 3 weeks

[@tammielowman8273]

Is there any one I can talk to ,so I can figure out what I can do to help me get out of this mess im.in it's very complicated and I just dont k know what to do

[@johnslugger]

*Slow cutting is SO important. I aimed for a 1 year long taper and I never even knew I was coming off the drug. I spent the last month licking the powder off the bottle before I realized it was already long over. FEAR is the worst enemy on a SLOW taper. FEAR NOT!*

[@AK-ky3ou]

Can you give a quick synopsis of your taper. Start, taper amount, finish dose length? Thanks

[@johnslugger]

@@AK-ky3ou *Fast at first (20%) cut and then feeling your way down and ONLY tapering 10% once stabilized from the last cut. Some times that can take a month. Other times you can't feel a cut and some times while on a hold you take a dose and feel "Too Good"! That demands another small cut!! #1 Rule: Speed Tapering Is A Giant Waste Of Time!*

[@AK-ky3ou]

@@johnslugger thank you

[@brendawiley4967]

This is so true.

[@mattcurtis8209]

​@@johnslugger very well put I'm on 10mg in the UK 🇬🇧

[@morghanratcliff7136]

I have been on suboxone for 7 years and have had crippling anxiety and paranoia since the first day I started taking it. Don’t get me wrong, it saved my life but the side effects are becoming unbearable. I’ve detoxed from suboxone once before and it was very uncomfortable physically and mentally but I know I can do it 1 more time. I’m so ready to kick this habit for good!!

[@shytguy]

What side effects did you get?

[@jimparsons4312]

Taper real slow. Sodium ascorbate

[@debwoods5834]

@@jimparsons4312 how often do you take the sodium ascorbate? Daily? Twice a day? What amount? Thank you

[@jimparsons4312]

@@debwoods5834 I took 1/5 of a teaspoon about 3 times a day in a small glass of red Gatorade.... it was only during the month I went from 4 to 2 mg. That was the only tough patch. I tapered slow. / eat healthy, sleep 8 hours, leg massage with salt and oil daily, baths, walks..... I’m so glad to be whole again. If I can do it anyone can do it. My girlfriend helped me a lot as a cheerleader but the end game came down to me and me only though. You have to want it.

[@debwoods5834]

@@jimparsons4312 thank you brother!❤ I truly appreciate your help.

[@matthew1676]

30 days clean and feeling 100% better. I slowly tapered . My last strip lasted 27 days. The restless legs and anxiety lasted about 2 weeks. I pushed though and continued to work . My wife’s support definitely helped. I was on suboxen for 7 years. I can’t believe I’m clean now. I’m not having any cravings what so ever . The only thing I crave now is success and a happy married life. I’m already feeling more confident in myslef. This was a huge milestone for me. It’s all in your head. If you want to get clean you will endure the short physical pain. Cut off all connections so you can’t get more.

[@jasonq111]

Great job! I have been on it for 14 years but for chronic pain. Pain is much more manageable now. Can’t wait to be off! Tapered down to .5mg as of now.

[@jessecarson3021]

What was your taper plan

[@RhysapGrug]

@@jessecarson3021 good steriods. Vit c, imodium.

[@JustTrying2MakeitToJesus]

I've been on it for b7 yrs as well. I'm coming off it right now. I had to have heart surgery Aug,1st 2023. The clinic told me to come off for at least 24 hours, but I was scared and did 3. Day 3 was uncomfortable, but I expected it. I took myself from 12 to 8 and have been the way for 2 months. Here in a week I'm going to cut another 4 mg. I think for me, because I expect to be uncomfortable , that makes the whole thing easier.

[@youreinmyoffice4273]

Bro take shrooms I heard it helps with withdrawal

[@Chief_Eagle_Dropping]

I was a subox addict for 15 yrs (33 to 48), due to doctors ensuring it by a started 24mg daily dose, but mostly I was at 8mg daily for 13 years of it...for the last 4 months I tapered, last month or so I was at 1mg. I am on day 8 clean, the withdrawl was still there. I literally had to sit in my car and scream to relieve pressure. Getting better by the minute now though.

[@wethepeople9161]

I got hooked on pills 15 years ago. Been on Suboxone for the last 10 years. I started at 4mg and went down to 1mg (a day). Then I went up to anywhere from 4-6 a day. Now I’m at 8mg. (A full strip). I buy off the street and my biggest fear is if something ever happens to my dealer. I’d be in hot water. My wife takes 8mg too. That’s $1240 every month. NOW MORE THAN EVER - I have been contemplating quitting. - but first, I have to set up a plan. I know that a long , strung out taper is better than a fast one. Because I know that God awful misery that comes from coming off of it. Reading your (and many other) comments gives me some hope. I can’t tell you of just how many times I feel like I’m a prisoner to this drug. And now it’s really starting to hit my wallet big. Hell, I’d be happy if I could get down to 2mg a day. Thank you Cat.

[@Chief_Eagle_Dropping]

@@wethepeople9161 give it a shot....Day 10 on the way, except for a bit of depression and atomach issues the worst is gone in a week! God bless you!! Also, taper to 2mg is easy, you will feel it briefly

[@Thomas-wi7ti]

Been on suboxone since 2012 I don’t think I will ever get off 😞

[@Chief_Eagle_Dropping]

@@Thomas-wi7ti day 86 here.....its easy'ish after 3 weeks. Total afterthought now. You can do it!

[@taylorx2]

Been on suboxone for 6 years now at 8mg for the last 6 years. A few months ago I started cutting my subs into 2 & 4 pieces. I took 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 at night then I moved to 1/4th in the morning then 1/4th ar night (current dose). I am going to be cutting the 1/4th into a 1/2 so 1 8mg strip is 8 small pieces. I will take the 2mg in the morning then 2mg at night. Then move to 1mg. Then I plan to jump to none for 8 days then take some adderall for 2 weeks to bring my energy levels back to normal while I am getting my body back to normal. I will also be using lopermide if I need to, as well as clonazepam for sleep for 1 week.

[@TrishCanyon8]

I stopped alcohol and heroin at age 27. Went on to get two degrees, one a RN degree. Retired at age 68 I had unbearable pain from a hip that was distroyed by osteoporosis and had a cyst on it. I went on oxytocin and then switched to buprenorphine. 2 years later and well recovered from hip surgery, I'm still on suboxone 4mg and it's hard to let go of it. Tapered down to 1mg couple times. I appreciate your videos.

[@alainajacobs9921]

Don't ever doubt that you're a success story.

[@ianmangham4570]

You stay as happy as you can my friend 👍🇬🇧❤🇺🇸😎

[@stevebr551]

how are you now? 1year later?

[@bradleythebuilder8743]

Jesus, Trish, I think they did you dirty. I can’t understand how buprenorphine is prescribed for analgesia. The whole selling point of the drug was that it was less than half as excitatory to your opioid receptors as full strength opioids. Therefore it doesn’t cause euphoria (though anyone who has used or abused it would know that’s not true. When I first started it I got *high*, and I was nowhere near opiate naive. I was a nearly ten year, off and on (mostly on, I only fully detoxed once or twice in that decade) heroin user in Washington state from 2006 to 2016. I am grateful for subbies for the most part, I went from a homeless, heroin addicted reprobate to a home-full, buprenorphine addicted reprobate 😂 (I don’t commit crimes anymore, over ten years since I last did anything “morally turpitudinus [I know, that’s not a word] besides driving infractions) Anyway, sorry for the rant and it’s doubtful that you will ever see this but I just felt awful about that, it’s not a drug to be prescribed willy-nilly

[@drek9k2]

@@bradleythebuilder8743 Somebody's making money, same story as always. What I find horrific is this, what if they start treating "kratom use disorder" with buprenorphine or methadone I just wish everybody be honest and informed that is all. like I don't even give a damn about your opinion or ideology, I don't care if you're a hippie who stupidly thinks all that grows in dirt is glory, or think that if a doctor prescribes it must be trustworthy, believe in scientism and the idea something must be refined and purified med this, clean time this, drug that, muh herb this, mah sacrament I don't give a fucking god damn drugs is drugs. Period. And each and every last one has some kind of therapeutic index and some likely LD50 with a dose curve, there are use cases for all these and we should have some knowledgeable apothecary that stands before the throne of God alone in weighing those scales milligram by the milligram. And it pains me to see people just get hooked on the stuff it's to the point where I am stuck having to be overly cautious and dissuading people from treatments just because I'm so well versed on how much sheer BULL shit there is on the medical field right now on the West. Like I was watching TV for the first time in years it's astounding, fucking dozen adds for different alcohol companies and a nother dozen adds for various drugs within a couple hours of Naked and Afraid. Fucking hell mate. Oh and by the way, I found it incredibly interesting they have a new bipolar drug that incorporates an opiodergic of all things. i wonder who is involved in this industry now, I have a relative that started this shit that has bupropion and DXM in it. I am like really? So I am guess they just figured out something I could've told you 20 years ago: hint the opioidergic system is a mood regulatory subsystem like serotonin, quite possibly of even greater importance in mood regulation and happiness. Anyway that sucks and I'm sorry to hear that. The full Oxycontin story is why people rightfully mistrust the whole practice of "medicine" I to this day tell people to remember, Blue Vervain, Marijuana and CBD or other cannabinoids, Amanita Muscaria, Ritalin, buprenorphine doesn't matter it's all drugs. It all should be treated with caution and respect ultimately and should NOT ever be seen as a permanent status. This is true of everything, I ended up pissing blood probably because I was overusing ibuprofen for over a year for my back. I forgot about that on Kratom. But then I got addicted to Kratom eventually. They throw shit like Neurontin and Valium at you that's cool and all, just make sure your Pt knows it is not sustainable and there's not going to always be a reload, deal with the 30 days. I think putting people on bupe knowing it's going to be permanent and not communicating that is fucking cruel and it does happen sometimes.

[@fastcrxzc]

I was on subs for 2 weeks....tapered down ever day after the first week and it was kind of hard but I got thru it. It was way better than coming off heroin. I never want to feel like that again. It'll work differently for different people. There's not one answer that can be given. I tapered so quickly because I didn't want it to be a replacement for years to come. Stay strong everyone! MIND OVER BODY!!!

[@Kthb80]

Smart move

[@fastcrxzc]

@@Kthb80 thank you. I'm still doing great! It feels so good!

[@letsmakeadifferences7444]

How do I stop restless arms and legs that's my only problem 😵‍💫

[@joelauro5152]

@@letsmakeadifferences7444 do the subs not stop restless legs that’s my worst withdrawal symptom I’m trying to just take them for 8 to 10 days and stop

[@jason.aldridge5004]

@@letsmakeadifferences7444 being a male I don't get the leg thing but spoke to plenty of women who do get it swing my Mrs go through it I totally understand how annoying it is.i maybe wrong just wondering is there any males that get it. I semi to get anxiety more so not being able to lye still I feel something building up in side I have to move it's horrible people will never understand withdrawal unless being there seem to say just stop the s*#t stop it.😲😩😠.good luck to all successful small steps but think how each day your closer to a normal life again.

[@pigcandisco]

The absolute worst thing about this medication is all the negativity on reddit and youtube. There is so much misinformation, so many horror stories and when someone like myself who is trying to taper off looks to these places for information they are bombarded with misleading stories from people who jumped off at high doses or didn't do a proper taper. When this doctor says that there are many variables with each patient and that not everyone will have the same plan/experience he is completely right. I got off methadone with a slow taper and it was basically painless. I had 1 sleepless night and some lethargy for a couple days but other than that it was extremely easy. Unfortunately I relapsed years later and now I've been on suboxone for 2 years. I've tapered from 16mg a day down to 2mg a day over the course of a year. I'm a 35y M who has been using opiates for about 13 years. What I can say is this, the longer you use opiates and/or the longer you stay on suboxone means the longer your taper should be. Some people can go from 8mg to nothing over the coarse of 6 months and some people, like myself, need to take the long road and stretch that taper out for longer. My taper so far has been painless but 2mg is where I hit a wall. This video reminded me of how not to get caught up reading horror stories on the internet, it just makes me more anxious. Hopefully in a few months I can finally be done and move on. Suboxone definitely saved my life at the time but in the end we are all responsible for leaving it behind and doing the work that it takes to make it possible. Good luck everyone!

[@DrBAddictionRecovery]

Take a look at Nicole's channel: kzbin.info

[@ianmangham4570]

I know exactly how you feel with the 2mg wall ,I'm the same, anything below 2mg is hard work ,I'm 53 now and I'm just happy I'm stable on Bupenorphine and not in agony, I'll try staying on it until I leave this rock 🙏👍🇬🇧❤🇺🇸

[@dasmuss6174]

I couldn’t agree more, so many people saying you can’t do it and setting up for failure, I’m down to 0.63mg now and have felt minimal withdrawals, been on opiates 15 years, subs for 12 years, 16mg a day, I’ll be getting off totally in a couple weeks, sleep is a drama but everything else has been easy, I use chlonodine when needed, it can be done pretty painlessly if done slow

[@PatriciaAngona]

It was torture for me

[@blackagencymatters]

Pretty wise statement. Why do people dramatize it on Reddit. It's like people on reddit want you to be miserable or terrified. Look , i quit methadone ... it's so doable

[@lukasss-0p941]

Was on opiates for 4 years buying off the streets spent tens of thousands started saboxone last year got down to small little pieces like 1/5 of a film in the morning then ran out didn’t buy no more I’m about 5 days in I got some insomnia but I’m able to make it through the day I do go to the gym and very focused on being sober I feel like my withdraw has gotten less bad an I’m pretty happy I have no doubt in a month I will be feeling amazing

[@prettylights3870]

Sleep definitely is one of the hardest parts of it on Subs.. until you need to do things and then suddenly it kicks in. shit sucks.. I'm really glad you are on the better end of it all, I'm on my taper down also, but hadn't been on Subs ever until just under half a year or so. I believe I can do it.. just needed to hear some good advice... making music has helped me personally stay away from going out and being an idiot like in my past. I should keep focus on what helps my mental pains, the physical comes after.

[@russellgiesler]

I love you Dr. B. Finally someone who tells the hard facts. You would be surprised at how many people want to tell you a false truth.

[@jlj8808]

I was on the subs several years. I finally came off of them last Christmas. I tapered for 4 months. My last 2 strips last 6 weeks. I thought I was ready. I wasn't. I went through hell. I should have tappered at a very low dose for at least another month or two. I would really suggest the long-term injectable version. Sorry, I can't remember the name. But it's been 10 months, and I'm finally starting to feel good again. It's been so long since I have had any self-worth. Don't give up on yourself.

[@prettylights3870]

It's called Vivitrol, I wouldn't suggest this option.. I.V. usage is not only physically harmful, but it will make you just want to use even more.. I have had several cellmates in prison use this option and they would want more and more because it LITERALLY is just shooting up. That's not the way I assure you..

[@bradleythebuilder8743]

It’s not “literally shooting up” as Sublocade is given intramuscularly. Also, I t’s not anything like iv drug use, and I would know, I have experience with almost all types of opioids, and iv drugs as well as buprenorphine in several different forms

[@d.khoung359]

I've been on Suboxone for 12 years. Been numb and foggy for so many years but finally decided to quit cold turkey. I've been through other opiate withdrawals before so I know what to expect but I wouldn't recommend doing cold turkey unless you know you can do it. I just feel that it's the best way as you go through the pain, anxiety, and depression which will help from relapsing in the future. But I do recommend to always check in with a doctor before quitting cold turkey. Although I never took more than 24 mg a day, for 12 years. I got down to 16 mg before deciding to quit cold turkey. The withdrawals are definitely less than opiate withdrawals but overall withdrawals last quite a while which comes in waves. Even after 1 week, I'm still feeling the effects but hoping that it has peaked and I'm on the downside now. It's mind over matter. If you're strong enough, you can do it and put all this behind you. Good luck to all who are struggling. There is hope at the end of the tunnel.

[@DatruthBtoldy-do6bl]

24mg 12 yrs cold turkey and wd less than opiates ? BS

[@sleeptank444]

Good stuff! How you doing now?

[@danoliver3470]

​@@sleeptank444not looking good he never responded

[@prettylights3870]

I've only ever been on 8mg a day and it still is extremely potent as far as dependency towards it.. I can't even imagine more. They give just enough that you have to go back to them, and just enough where it takes over the receptors in our brain that releases dopamine and melatonin, seeming so naturally good for you. Not realizing all those release of chemical imbalance leaves an empty void that's now blocked.. that's why we don't crave our original substances.. its an opioid blocker, but also a dopamine blocker. Mood swings, consistent pain, the lack of motor skills and memory loss.. if you had never tried Subs before, DON'T!! If you are reading this, just keep yourself distracted in healthy ways! Your cravings will GO AWAY if you can replace your mind with a better crave..

[@madisonbridges200]

I’m on less than a mg a day and when I don’t take it I’m in soo much pain, my brain doesn’t work 😢 I’m really struggling

[@canadiangirlchelsea6503]

I’m finally tapering off suboxone after being on it for 2 years straight! I was at 24mg and now I’m at 6mg I’m tapering 2 mg ever 3 weeks now. I hope it’s not impossible to get off the 1mg mark like everyone says it is. I work and go to school I can’t let this drug run my life anymore I’m done!

[@grymgaming5541]

hey my friend how has it been going

[@stanz7193]

I was on 24mg as well 2 years ago I'm at 4 mg now. I'm with you I wanna get off of it sooooo bad

[@chrisbattaglia492]

I did same from 24 to 8 mg in a two year span. This year going to six mg and hoping to be on 4 mg for end of the year of 2023 and then into the 2024 2 mg to zero. When your at such a low dose it’s not that bad coming down if you do it over a long periods. It’s sucks I know but to get off right this is the way. Slow and steady. Your so low mg that’s very easy it’s more psychological than physical. At this point you may feel a little discomfort, but not as much as when you were on 24 mg .the point of all this is to get off the Suboxone at the right time and not go back to opiates use.

[@SlimeTlme]

Did you end up fully getting off. I've been doing subs for 6-7 years but I've only been doing about 2-4mg a day the entire time. But it's got to stop,I'm just worried about the WD from stopping. How did it go for you

[@chrisbattaglia492]

@@SlimeTlme hey. So this is current. I have 8mg subs that I’m basically tapering to 6 mg currently. So take off a portion of the pill, it is not great but not so bad. Then I want to be on a 6mg pill or sublingual the first month of 2023 and then hope to come down to 4 mg by spring, then 2 mg for prob for a bit then slowly from there. Every time you taper you do it slow, weeks like a month, then drop it to next dose, you will not suffer that you can’t work but it’s not great like I said it’s uncomfortable, but this is the price we have to pay to get off. These doctors are killing it with writing us these scripts and panic pills and leg pills for rest leg leg. So tired of this. So I went for 24mg to almost 6mgs. Next week is my appointment. This has been two years and a few moths know. I understand that I took pills for years but I’m so over this shit and pills I would never touch again. I’ve had two surgeries since, a few accidents, but I never took pain pills and I had knee replacement surgery. I cod of have it but I choose not to. I suffered a bit and went to PT. So tired I’ve being stuck on this medication it was the biggest mistake, I just didn’t see it then. Know we just have to get off, and if your serious about like I am. I’ve been tested plenty but I refuse. It’s a done deal and I can’t wait to be free of these meds. Tapper slow but tapper, stay strong, a lot is in your mind especially when your on a low dose. The doctor will tell you to be on forever. It’s up to you. If you really serious and wanna talk. It’s great to talk about it with like minded people. Just let me know I’ll reply with my email. I could use Somone to. It feels good to help each other get threw this with like minded people not people who want to go backwards in life. I’m over it. I’ve grown, years have passed. You can do it. The low dose is more mental then anything but you will feel like shit for 10-20 days max. After 3-5 days your body will adjust then a few weeks to get it working properly. If your on 2mgs just split into two one in morning the other half around noon then the noon one cut in half and slowly remove that so your down to one mg. Then do same. You can do it m. I wish I was at your mg. I would be on my way to be off for the new year. Start it right.

[@thebaneking4787]

Suboxone caused so many problems for me. I have been on it 18 years. It’s ruined my spine, ligaments , teeth and bones. I’m ready for the grave. I’m so tired of life.

[@clintbishir]

Sorry to hear that man.

[@JenDoe1]

I have been on it 3 months, 3 weeks, I’m 60 hours in without it and still okay. I had to stop my 1mg abruptly due to the mouth ulcers it gave me! I think all the enamel on my teeth is gone - and I still rinsed my mouth out after the pill dissolved. I’m dealing with so much mouth pain. This stuff is poison, I came to this after weaning to 10mg methadone and I kinda regret it. I hope the Subutex w/d’s aren’t insane @ 3 months 3 weeks…

[@j.n.4806]

Heheh yeah I understand, Im only 37y but when I wake up the morning I feel like Im 80y... We pay of our life for bad decisions we've made as teenagers, not cool.

[@lisaannthompson4883]

I understand completely, Please , hold on , keep looking up information about everything you are going through, than look for a Good Dr. One who you can have a good relationship with... Your not alone in your suffering,,, Amen*

[@liveloveanddream777]

I hope you are still alive Mike! Don’t give up!

[@FLSharkdiver]

Thanks for the video mate!! I was taking Opioids for over a decade and decided it was finally time! I have been on Suboxone for over 3 years. I have been tapering off Suboxone now for over a year which was pretty simple for me.. I know everyone is different and this drug takes time to come off people and your body will let you know....🎯🎯 Today is #DAY4 without any Subs and its still pretty rough but manageable😕💪!!! Quick tip - I don't care what any one says Cannabis helps with those 1st - 72 hr withdraws symptoms big time 🌿🌿

[@jasonwhite5125]

I’ve done it in jail…. The lack of sleep is the worst. If ur on the streets, smoking weed helps a lot! I’m currently still on subutext, but I’m at the point I’m ready to get off of it. I hope this video helps

[@prettylights3870]

Thats where I wish I had the option... weed would have changed everything for me if I wasn't on Parole. There should be NO reason anyone of age should be restricted from something as beneficial as cannabis... and yet Suboxone, Methadone, Adderall, Xanax and such are just handed out like candy leading to worse states of mind than before.

[@MindVirus44]

Yeah, my first time going through WD was in jail . It definitely sucked. About to find out how it feels trying to work and provide

[@stevdaughtr6098]

@@MindVirus44 how are you doing?

[@MindVirus44]

@@stevdaughtr6098 completely off. Thanks for asking . You ?

[@moneyoverbitcches]

@@MindVirus44 u need to get into AA or NA be around sober people and work a program ive noticed then once u detox its a lot easier.... idk how but god and everything u learn in there helps more then anything and i have not seen one persoon in these comments mention that..... ITS TRULY A CHEAT CODE

[@Timmyskills]

This is probably the most knowledgeable Dr in youtube. very informative information, thank you for your Service. This is a war were fighting

[@rickp3753]

Taper down slowly to one half milligram. Stay there as long as you can. I'm 18 months off subs and life is great.

[@moneyoverbitcches]

All any doctor has to do is read the comments under these videos and they will be so much more helpful u learn alot from the comments. but most people are scared and dont want to feel ANY withdrawel and thats not how its gonna be if u are strong and work a solid program of recovery i believe u can do in the 6-8 weeks even sooner no matter how long u been on it..... but thats just me who was on it for 10 years...

[@Timmyskills]

@@moneyoverbitcches I was on methadone for 10 years, tapered to 20, than switched to subs in May 2024, I'm tapering off the subs now. The mental part is the hardest

[@charlesmcgehee3227]

I've easily and slowly titrated from 16 mgs to 1 mg. over a 2 year period. I've never used a drug recreationally. I had a chronic pain issue that has resolved itself. Health issues demand that I stop the drug. Also, I now live in a part of the US that doesn't have access to Buprenorphine type treatments. Pretend I'm stuck on a desert Island but have a small supply left. Thanks for your valuable time and wisdom.

[@1percenters698]

7 years I've been on it, the film strip. Yes I've tried cold turkey more than I can count, yes I've tried tapering but still haven't given up on that method since I lost patience or I would forget my last dose depending on how I'm feeling throughout the day. The real hell about this drug is the thought of not having it. Knowing the lingering pain that awaits you bringing you back to an agonizing oblivion. It shouldn't just be called withdrawals, there should be a broader term in describing how fucked you are if you plan on getting off this drug. The farthest I got without taking the strip since I ran out and I was out of state nowhere near my doctor, 6 days... 6 days of pure agony.. no puke or vomiting but constant agitation, restlessness. To put to you this way I was praying I could leave my body so it could heal on its own without my conscious mind being obliterated to smitherians.

[@virgie4715]

Have you ever tried Kratom? Look into it.

[@beasty_b6967]

It truly is agony

[@maclardy]

…….. oh god ….. 😩

[@DaughterOfTheEve]

@@ottis4518 Day 10

[@jonathanmiller4846]

Don’t try Kratom. That’s called substitution.

[@amycavedon]

Wow. This has been the most informative video I've seen. I've been on Suboxone for 10 yrs and my Dr hasn't really spoken to me in a way I can understand how to taper safely, than just to "cut down slowly". Thank you for this video I really appreciate it 🙏😊 I will use this info going forward and save the video as a tool to my taper process. I take 8ml 3 X a day, and feel like I'm in the right mindset for tapering. I was on a long journey of trying to find antidepressants but always felt over medicated. Now I understand. It was treating my anxiety and depression. Thank you again.

[@Paintsandpackages]

Every time I tapered, it took 3 days to adjust and it wasn't bad.

[@michaelblackburn6151]

34 days off of suboxone for 12 years and I’m only 29. And believe you me this shit is hard. But I have a choice TODAY . I have hope that it will be better in the future. I am going to listen to this man and exercise because I don’t want to use today but I also don’t know what to do with myself with suboxone . We can recover it’s a matter if we want to.

[@georgejones4071]

Kratom you get it the smoke shops an cigarette stores. Red Bali is the type needed, vitamins and magnesium, pedilyte . Eat plenty of greens. Been there done that. After that learn nutrition for good health and stay away from doctors they will kill you making sure that your healthy 💯 . Good luck 👍

[@asiabadd3731]

How are you doing today, still clean if so, any symptoms?

[@Ryanhelpmeunderstand]

I am extremely irritable, anxious, and feel like something is wrong (like paranoia but with a feeling of doom). Does anyone else experience this with Suboxone?

[@whosTage]

You still have this feeling ? I also had this feeling for a long time on suboxone especially the feeling of doom and like being scared of something but you don't know what and like something bad is going to happen.

[@SaviTakion]

I am currently feeling the same feelings.. I feel better knowing the withdrawal symptoms of subs as it hit me psychologically different then a perc withdrawal. I've never cried so much in my life then when going through withdrawals.. but I believe we are strong enough..

[@shaolin2129]

My wife is on a low dose of sub and has been for about 3 years. I would describe her side effects as very similar to what you are experiencing. Catastrophic thinking, a general sense of fear/uncertainty and extreme sadness. She has been prescribed several other medications to counter these side effects. So now aside from being dependent on Suboxone, she needs to take 4 or5 different medications to get through the day. This all stemmed from a brief dependency on Percocet coupled with a generalized anxiety disorder. The combination of medications that she is prescribed has in no way allowed her to regain a functional existence. Having a doctor who really cares and knows his/her stuff is extraordinarily important bc the ones that she's been to have done very little to help. I wish you both all the best ❤

[@Talmudets]

​@@shaolin2129 :( yes , 17 years on suboxone for 4 years of percacet oxycuntin in the beginning 😢, good luck

[@CarlosCabanilla-ti2yi]

I feel aĺot paranoid and it made me use even more subs I was on 1mg a day now in on 4mg

[@melanie4926]

I was on 16 mgs daily for over 4 yrs. I dosed down for a year to 2 mgs. Now I'm on week 5 off subs completely and still not sleeping body psin irritable and lethargic. I slept 1.5 hours last night and really praying for rest tonight. Everyone's withdrawal is different but 4 months is most common time for PAWS. I want to know my life w out subs so its worth it to me.

[@samgreen8582]

This scares me. I have to work... 12 mgs a day. Trying to stop taking.

[@melanie4926]

@@samgreen8582 I really didn't feel it till I got between 4 and 2 mgs. Baby steps. I'm around 9 weeks off now. You really have to want it.

[@anak6940]

@@melanie4926 I take about 2-4 mg a day. I have 27 left and 3 months to stop. Do U think it’s possible? Can u please tell me how u taped?

[@melanie4926]

@@anak6940 slow and easy till 2mgs. Yes you got this if you want it. Sleeplessness and restless leg was the worst of all. I didn't taper further as it felt it pointless. Wish I'd had Klonopin the first month but I made it. In some kinda way I felt empowered each passing clean day. I'm nearing 3 months off subs and pray you do the same. Peace and love ❤️

[@rickp3753]

@@anak6940 I was on 8mg for 16 years and am down to .5mg. Going from 2mg to .5 mg has cost me some sleep and some mild discomfort(fatigue). But nothing like acute withdrawal. I spent a couple weeks at 4mg. A couple weeks at 2 mg and so on.

[@wysmn]

I was on suboxone for 6 years roughly. Prescribed 24mg a day but was only taking 8 mg split between 2 doses. Needless to say I stopped going to clinic and had hundreds of 8mg tablets. I got down to just 1/4 of one, or 2mg, a day over the course of 6 months. The last 2 weeks I made 1 8mg last the 2 weeks. I scraped off crumbs from the tablet with a knife. I stopped and had literally no withdrawels. I was expecting hell and it never came. I did take .1 mg clonidine 2x a day for the first 4 days after stopping as well as 10 mg of loperamide 1x day. Good luck yall. Alot of it is in your head. Freeeeee finally.

[@JimmyKlef]

Thank you for this. I have been on for almost three years and have been tapering since I began. Super high dose because i was an idiot just prior to suboxone and used poppy tea during the worst time in my life. Never was interested in drugs prior really other than weed. Had opiates less than a handful of times prior and kept them at bay because i knew they were the devil. But i was trapped in super agony around 29-30 years old and quickly developed a super high tolerance. Super dangerous. I tapered for a few years and been hovering around a half mg for months. I only have a full 8mg strip left and i am terrified of all the horror stories as i had gone through absolutely for real near death when i withdrew last time from the tea. Genuinely. I ended up having a heart attack a couple weeks afterwards because it nearly killed me. Basically been in slight withdrawal for years due to the tapering. It’s fucking miserable. I only traded agony for agony. I hope to god I’ve cut my intake to the level it won’t be so bad. I have absolutely no choice and I don’t want a choice. I feel like im dying the worst death possible anyway. May as well take it hard one last rodeo for a shot at a life that includes any joy whatsoever. I need to be capable of this. I need to succeed at something. Specifically this. If you genuinely experienced that it wasn’t anywhere near as hard as they make it out to be, id love to hear more. Or as long as it isn’t as goddamn insanely torturous as writhing in severe and horrifically traumatically terrifying agony for days on end knowing you are going to die. If it isn’t half that bad and it’s basically extreme discomfort rather than extreme agony, please fill me in. Good job and thank you. It takes serious dedication and everything good to get through this.

[@B_Bodziak]

I don't know about it "being in your head". The sweats and your body being unable to control its body temperature, the sneezing, the restless legs, the sleeplessness, the vomiting, the diarrhea... are not "in your head" That's completely unfair to assess about everyone or even most people as a blanket statement

[@moneyoverbitcches]

@@B_Bodziak its def mostly in ur head i agree. just lke when ur on fetty or dope... u sick in a couple hours... thats all in ur head.... u need to get into AA or NA be around sober people and work a program ive noticed then once u detox its a lot easier.... idk how but god and everything u learn in there helps more then anything and i have not seen one persoon in these comments mention that..... ITS TRULY A CHEAT CODE

[@tradesmith_yt]

Seven years on subs, I’m on day three off subs, did a self administered taper. Got down to .1, ginseng, Kang Ning pills, nsaids, marijuana edibles, Benadryl. Long walks, happy music, strong self talk. Listen to First day by haystak. You got this. Day one and two were distressing, the fog cleared day three.

[@Kapulaites]

I'm down to .125 mgs. I'm starting every other day now. Did you experience withdrawals from that low a dose?

[@tradesmith_yt]

@@Kapulaites yes, First day was a little tough. Plan and stock up for the first few days

[@bioshawna]

Proud of you my friend

[@permabulk1454]

This is inspiring. How much were you on the day you decided to taper? I’m thinking if I’m on 8 or 9 mg a day, I should taper off 1mg every 2-4 weeks? So say I start at 8mg a day, then in a couple weeks 7mg. It’s toufh having been on it all these years

[@tradesmith_yt]

@@permabulk1454 I’ve been off it two months. I went from 8 to 6 4 in the am 2 in the evening but whatever works best for you.

[@JeniferReginaMoreira]

Being "clean" is not the same as being in a sober mind frame. Love your video!

[@Wretched2JZ]

Please explain, thanks

[@virgie4715]

@@Wretched2JZ clean is not having drugs in you. Not being high. Having a sober mentality means your lifestyle has changed and is no longer that of someone who’s in active addiction. I use the terms “dry” and “clean” in this sense. Like every addict is dry at some point, probably more often than they’d like but clean is something different. It’s a lifestyle change. You have to change your entire way of living and thinking. It sounds intimidating, but once you start doing it it’s so worth it.

[@stargod3064]

He said some ppl might need to be on it forever. I don’t believe that. I told my doctor I wanted to get off of it and he said I should stay on it lol so idk are they making money off of me being on it? Who knows.

[@firstnamelastname6193]

@@virgie4715 OH bull$hit! Maintenance meds are different. They do not get you high like illegal drugs and we all know it! These meds keep people alive. The stigma has to stop

[@christopherd8127]

@@firstnamelastname6193 like illegal drugs, sure. but it does get you high.

[@bbs5400]

I've been on suboxone for the last 6 years, on and off the 3 years prior to that. I was on 12 mg the majority of the time, I just got stable on 2mg and now I'm trying to figure out how to go about the rest of the taper, the hardest part. I'm certainly ready to get off, but I have to do it correctly. I want to make the jump by the end of this summer before I go back to school for my engineering degree in the fall. Wish me luck

[@pigcandisco]

I'm in the same spot as you, 2mg a day, but my doctor said I can just stop whenever I want which I know would result in a very difficult experience. I've done alot of research and I'm going to tackle this the same way I got off methadone so I figured I'd share my plan and maybe you could take something from it. Because of the half life of subs some people say that this method works. So if you take 1mg in the morning and 1mg at night do that for 2 or 3 days and then on the 4th day take 1mg in the morning but at night take .5mg. Then go back to 2mg a day for 2 or 3 days and repeat. Eventually you should just be able to switch to 1mg/.5mg a day without issue. Then the next step would be to get that 1mg dose down to .5 and so on. Of course there are other methods like skipping days but that has always resulted in me being miserable every other day. Also I've heard of success with sublocade but after making it this far I'd rather just continue doing what I'm doing. Hopefully you found some of this informative or encouraging. Good luck. You can do this!

[@mikeg1433]

@@pigcandisco thanks bro. How’d it go?

[@liveloveanddream777]

2mg is still a high dose. I have been tapering off of 2mg to 200mcg last month for 8 months. I jumped off and I am on day 4 of no BUPRENORPHINE. I have used small amounts of percusset to help me get off this nightmare BUP! I know that is not recommended but i can no longer go at a snail’s pace to get my life back. I just had a dream for the first time in 5 years since being on BUP. I was never told that BUP was a maintenance drug for getting off pain killers by my pain mgmt doctors. Over time, BUP steals all your motivation and life in my experience…

[@pigcandisco]

@@liveloveanddream777 I'm down to a little less than 1mg a day and if I knew the last year of getting off this stuff was going to be like this I would've never got on it in the first place. Tapering off methadone was extremely easy for me so I just assumed suboxone would be the same. Every day has been a slog since I went below 2mg. Everytime I decrease my dose, no matter how little, its literally 4-5 days of not having the motivation or energy to do anything. Even balancing out I still feel like I'm forcing myself to do everything. It's been such an annoying and dragged out process that I'm honestly about to just get down to 0.5mg and then jump because I feel like I'm just wasting my life when I could just suffer for a couple weeks and get my life back. Oh well, we all did this to ourselves and now have to pay the piper.

[@pigcandisco]

@@mikeg1433 not off yet, probably on .07-.09mg a day. Ever since I went below 2mg it's been pretty difficult. Think I'm gonna get down to a half MG and then jump off. Every day is a drag and I have zero motivation to do anything. I still exercise and stay active but it takes so much to get things done. Hopefully the jump won't be as bad as I think it is.

[@blakejohnson6923]

Started on 8mg sub, stayed on for 2 years, could no longer afford and went through the most difficult withdrawal I could ever imagine. 3 weeks in, I couldn't take it anymore and grabbed kratom from my local head shop. Insurance kicked in and I went back on subs, but this time at 4mg. Been on for about 6 months, but I'm just over it. For me, it's never being able to truly feel emotion, and the lack of sex drive. I'm a week into a super slow taper, hoping to finally get off for good. I realize the benefits of sub, but for me it's debilitating in its own way.

[@glengamble526]

Thank you for this, Dr. I once made the rookie mistake of quitting Suboxone ‘cold turkey’ and it was a nightmare. Even though my dosage was fairly low (4mg a day) I’ve never felt closer to death than when I just stopped taking it. A nightmare. Despite my good intentions of quitting, it was a huge mistake. Anyone listening or watching-I urge you to PLEASE listen to what the dr. is saying here.

[@j.n.4806]

I am in hellish withdrawal right now. Took 80mg methadone for 13y and then change for 14mg subox for the last 3 years. I stopped subox 2 weeks ago. Everywhere on internet its said Im supposed to be "better" after 5 days maybe a week. Its been 2 week Im still stuck at the worst part, I feel like it will last forever. Im weak and soooo dehydrated... I really begin to wonder if its possible to die of suboxone withdraw(ok maybe im over-reacting just a bit heheh) Please I need encouragement so much. Tell me, after how many time were you better, to be able to do your basic thing (like take a shower, go shopping, cleaning, cooking, etc) Thanks, sorry for bad english

[@glengamble526]

@@j.n.4806 I’m sorry to hear that you are struggling. I can’t give medical advice but I can tell you that I went back on it and tapered off.

[@j.n.4806]

@@glengamble526 To be honest, few hours after having written that I decided to give up and I bought few mg from a friend (until Dr. will be back tuesday). Maybe next time will be the good one... A nice easter day to you xx ;)

[@gunnerman5435]

@@j.n.4806 how much mg were you on before you went cold turkey

[@jefflynch5194]

@@j.n.4806 I was on 2 mg a day for 3 months. Quit cold turkey last Jan and had absolute hell everyday for 4 months! 4 months of depression, muscle tightness so bad I couldn’t brush my teeth nor dress myself or bathe. Saw multiple doctors all wanted me to get back on Suboxone . So I did at 2mg which allowed me to at least feed myself and shower. Continued to see multiple doctors as the Suboxone only now relieved some of the pain, but the immobility still remained. Finally, the last neurologist I saw did a DAT scan and confirmed I have Parkinson’s disease. So now I’m on medication for the disease and Suboxone. I just started the taper process and I’m so scared to go through the detox again because I felt like I was dying. Hopefully this time is different.

[@LionhartM]

My situation has been almost the complete opposite of everything you say. The only time I was able to get off the suboxone is when I was in control of the dose. Except I didn't do anything illegal, I just stopped seeing the doctor after she prescribed my last refill and used that to taper off. Most doctors are horribly inept at managing a patient on suboxone. They start people at WAY too high of a dose, and take too long to start tapering.

[@Kerri303]

Exactly ! What I’m doing now down to like I don’t know the tiny sliver getting nervous because I only have like 10 strips left. Did you jump off at a certain milligram?

[@LionhartM]

@@Kerri303 Yeah, I had to use 8mg strips to taper off. It would've been nice to use 2mg strips, so it's easier to tear pieces lower than 0.5mg. I jumped off at 0.5mg. But once I got down that low, I was already experiencing some withdrawal, so it almost seems pointless to go down further. I experienced the same withdrawal from being at 0.5 as I did after jumping off. The withdrawal was very minimal, mostly just cold all the time, and lack of energy and motivation. Nothing terrible. I think I avoided most withdrawal because I tapered to as low as I could before jumping off, and I also started skipping days here and there. I think my last 4 days went 0.5, 0, 0, 0.5, off.

[@Kerri303]

@@LionhartM That’s amazing! I have to be honest you don’t hear too many success stories now everyone is jumping on sublocade. My doctor was a joke was just in it for the $ never wanted to taper me so I’m doing it myself I’m terrified but determined. Definitely under 1mg hard for me to tell at this point like you said w the 8mg strips but they are the tiniest slivers. Thanks for the advice much appreciated!

[@Kerri303]

I’m sorry one more question if you don’t mind? Did you take off of work? You said the last taper was almost like a four day type thing I’m wondering if I should try and take some time off of work I do have a nice Saturday to Tuesday time off of work every week which is great but I also have two kids, family, husband and all that but I’m wondering how bad it was for you at the end those four days like should I just go check myself into a hotel for four days I have a very supportive husband it’s hard to lock yourself in a room when you have two little ones were you able to get through work and go through this? Sorry it’s just when you come across someone who actually did it. It’s pretty awesome and I’m almost there.

[@LionhartM]

@@Kerri303 I did not take off work, no, but I was tempted to do so a few of the days. You just won't have much energy or motivation. Be prepared to not be as good of a worker for a few days. It definitely could help to take a few days off. With my very slight withdrawal - mostly psychological - I was able to muster on and didn't need to miss work. I would taper as far as you can to get your body used to not have the Suboxone. if you can be at like 0.25 for a few weeks before getting off, I think you'd be in great shape, and less likely to experience as long of a post-acute withdrawal. Not everyone gets PAWS, but I pretty much always have it for at least a couple of months - mainly low energy. Nothing I can't manage. I would highly recommend a few videos by Ryan Donnelly. He has some great motivating videos that really helped me stick it out during the first few weeks. He says to remind yourself that you WILL feel better over time if you stick it out, and remind yourself of all the reasons you want to stop. Good luck!

[@Z_threetimes]

So I've just began my journey with suboxone...I was on methadone for almost 2 years and the medicine itself was working, but I finally realized the clinic itself I was at did not give me the level of care I needed in the other areas of psycho-social behaviors and such...so finding your channel at this time is amazing and just want to thank you what you are doing for the community overall.

[@mattb9054]

Be careful though, ive been on Suboxone for 3 1/2 years i was on 2 tablets a day and i recently started having some really nasty side effects from high dose daily use, i recently cut my dose to taking 1 tablet a day in 2 1/2s, the side effects have gone away for the most part and ive started running, excersizing and eating better, i had this mild kind of anxious feeling, not really withdrawl but like my brain was adjusting to the new smaller dose, remember with Suboxone less is more, you dont need to be on 2 or 3 a day thats too much, maybe to start but not long term, and after 3 1/2 years im ready to get off this stuff and end this "opiate" chapter in my life. Also Kratom helps *cough cough* i know its kind of taboo but kratom does ease opiate withdrawl

[@1percenters698]

7 years I've been on it, the film strip. Yes I've tried cold turkey more than I can count, yes I've tried tapering but still haven't given up on that method since I lost patience or I would forget my last dose depending on how I'm feeling throughout the day. The real hell about this drug is the thought of not having it. Knowing the lingering pain that awaits you bringing you back to an agonizing oblivion. It shouldn't just be called withdrawals, there should be a broader term in describing how fucked you are if you plan on getting off this drug. The farthest I got without taking the strip since I ran out and I was out of state nowhere near my doctor, 6 days... 6 days of pure agony.. no puke or vomiting but constant agitation, restlessness. To put to you this way I was praying I could leave my body so it could heal on its own without my conscious mind being obliterated to smitherians.

[@kelsieboutilier9144]

I’m curious how did you do the switch from methadone to subs? Did you microdose? How was the switch for you

[@skinden1815]

@@mattb9054 that’s what I’m going thru! It’s not a bad anxiety but it’s slight uneasy feeling. Also I tapered down way down on my sub use. Glad you mentioned this makes me feel better. Also I’ve been slamming water and walking. Been on subs for 6 years. Hope your doing good and staying strong. I’m wanting to quit as well.

[@Boutys_mom]

I started 16mg subs on July 15th, 2019. After a few weeks, I went down to 8mg. I've been at that dose ever since, and these meds keep me alive. Once I am stable with depression issues, I might think about lowering again, but for now, I choose life (on subs!) Appreciate you sharing your wisdom with us Dr!

[@bbs5400]

I’d bet you can drop from 8 to 6 with no symptoms at all, then from 6 to 4 with no symptoms. It’s very very easy at first, and very painless. I had the problems when I tapered when I got down to around 2mg, then I had to slow the taper, but I tapered very slowly, from 12mg to 0.75mg in about a year. I dropped dosage about every 2-4 weeks, but went very fast at the start and very slow the lower I got The beginning is just mental, but you can cut your dose in half and not feel any symptoms at all. At first I dropped as quickly as possible with as much withdrawals I could tolerate, and like I already said, the beginning was very fast, the lower dosages was much slower

[@otisjones5412]

Wow I can’t imagine 8. I took 4mg once and was so high and wasted. Constipated too. Get off asap. It’s not good for your mind or body.

[@Chief_Eagle_Dropping]

@@otisjones5412 dude thats nothing, the high lasts about one time. After that its just burning money and avoiding withdrawl.

[@cjgames4378]

​@@otisjones5412 obviously u didn't need it if u got high on 4mg 😅

[@kanikanewsome6305]

@@cjgames4378 😆 lol

[@loribenintendi5843]

This Doctor is 1000% correct. I went from 2 8mg films of suboxone/naloxone and was able to taper in 4 years to only 4mg of suboxone/naloxone. It can be done. Little by little. Great message!

[@alexfriedman2152]

What? That doesn't even make sense? You are STILL on subs! A taper is like 4-6 months down to half a mg a dayq and then jumping off and being sick for a few days and then done with it.

[@loribenintendi5843]

@@alexfriedman2152 I'm getting there, eventually. 👍

[@MarleneYCM]

I’m a psych/addiction nurse & advocate for people to allow themselves the treatment, indefinitely. I spend lots of time explaining the difference between addiction & treatment bc taking suboxone is not addiction as Dr. B explains so thoroughly. Nearly everyone ultimately discloses to me that it’s actually their wife, husband, adult child, parent, friend, people in their NA/AA groups, voice in their head, etc, telling or giving the indication (explicitly or implicitly) they must consider stopping now or at some finite point. What is troublingly burdensome is it’s the person accepting suboxone therapy who feels they need to do medication/illness teaching to everyone else. If others don’t understand and/or are not supportive this reinforces stigma, further creating dissonance about staying on the medication. This is a very, very, slippery slope. And you know what, it’s not your job to make sure everyone else understands why you take a medication, but rather it is only you that needs to understand. Please-if you feel like being on suboxone=ball & chain, do best to reframe it such that you are managing a condition that is potentially life threatening. Like diabetes. Radical acceptance😉

[@tomsherman452]

If we Get the United States government to look at Suboxone treatment the same way , I’ll stop worrying about my future taper.

[@MicShay]

Spoken by someone who doesn't have to stop their life every two weeks or everyday (treatment in person).

[@神死-z8e]

I'm having a really hard time coping with the guilt of feeling like I'm still using and the fear of having to come off it at some point and your comment literally brought me to tears. Thank you so much

[@DavidCoutts11]

It's not life threatening though. People have to understand that they will have to go through suffering to be free. Once they realise there is no easy way out, it really is a case of giving oneself a boot up the butt, bite the bullet and go for the hell ride. Subutex is difficult to come off, however, it can be done. I think people do not understand the power of this drug. If you are not used to it and take 1mg you will be gouchin and heavily out of it. There is no need for people to be maintained on any more than 8mg. As I say if you can get down to 0.4mg then off you can minimise the withdrawal by taking 10 times the daily recommended dose of Absorbic Acid and 6 times the daily recommended dose of Magnesium 👍

[@nodnoc9627]

@@MicShaypeople with other conditions have to “stop their life” every two weeks for doctor visits too. If you don’t want to be on it long term that’s for the best but that’s ultimately your decision

[@jimparsons4312]

THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 I feel like there is no one out here on this journey with me. I’ve been on suboxone since 2011. The long term effects are not talked about. It almost destroyed me. My doctor wanted me to stay on forever, (like blood pressure medication- hell to the no) so I’m self tapering from 12 to 4 and taking it very slow. Supplementing with cannabis and vitamins and talking it real slow. Have no withdrawals whatsoever! I’m so happy!!!!!!!! Read my comment with my taper schedule I just posted 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️

[@roxxannevigil9928]

What vitamins do you take?

[@jimparsons4312]

@@roxxannevigil9928 Sodium ascorbate (saved me!) Edible cannabis Ginger Magnesium Dry brushing my body Baths Massage Reiki Long walks in nature I’m 50 days 100 percent clean from opiates and feel like a million. Tapering from 10 mg thc daily to 0 I’m going straight edge

[@shytguy]

What long term effects did you feel. I can’t imagine getting off of it. I’ve been on since 2021 too. I’m wondering if these feelings in chest come from long term use.

[@jimparsons4312]

@@shytguy I’ve been off since august 2021. I’m alive again. I feel like I’m coming out of the fog. Suboxone kept me subdued and isolated. My life is in full color and day by day I’m getting stronger, clearer and happier. there is no doubt I have brain fog and some brain damage from the over 20 years of opiates/ Suboxone but I am me again for the most part. I do 10 mg edible thc a day, listen to music, eat healthy and exercise and thank God with all my heart for this second chance. ❤️🙏

[@shytguy]

@@jimparsons4312 I meant I’ve been on it since 2011 too. That’s good. How long did it take for you to feel normal again? I haven’t done anything except suboxone in the past 10 years and I feel normal I guess with minor feelings of anxiety. My liver is 17 cm, so I know it’s enlarged and it’s from suboxone. It helped me save money, it helped me start a family and get married and have a steady job. But I’m about to have my first daughter and I’m just scared to go through withdrawal in front of my wife. But I do want to be normal. I want to be able to feel like I did when I was 18. I’m just scared

[@atticusfinch6708]

2 + weeks off Suboxone. Not sleeping well. Thanks for the info. I'm afraid I will go back to taking them. I just feel so awful.

[@confidential1035]

Take triple magnesium and super b vitamins. Take dhea and fish oils. See if doctor can give you gabapentin for night time. It helps a shit ton with restless leg and sleep.

[@81ghale]

I think my problem is the endorphin issue you were talking about. I started opiates around 20 years old. I’m 42 now and been on bupe for 3 years or a little less on the street, and 6 in the clinic so about 8 or 9 years. I’m going down 2 mg a month right now, I’m down to 6mg a day. But I noticed from the beginning the uplift in my natural feeling mentally. It does something for my mind, and happiness without ever feeling “high”. I’m afraid that will go away when I’m off. But I’ve completely reorganized my life and actually have a life that I never did (I was homeless for 8 years at the end) like a steady job for 6 years, my own apartment, car etc. So I think I’m ready, and my mindset of being on that drug abuse grind just sounds exhausting and not appealing at all. My Dr has pretty much let me call the shots. So I can always stop, go back up, or go down.

[@ioncewaslost1762]

This is my exact situation. The mental uplift without the high.. I’m Also afraid of what will happen in that department. How’s your journey going thus far?☺️🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Dojocartwheel]

This is the best suboxone anxiety video I’ve ever watched. Thank you for making me feel a little more guilt free. I’m brand new on this medication, still figuring out my best dose. But I know this is right for me. Thank you.

[@mattb9054]

Be careful with high doses, i was on 2 a day for 3 1/2 years and my subs started putting me into withdrawl randomly it was because i was taking too much, i cut my dose to 1 a day split into 2 1/2s and those symptoms went away, with subs less is more

[@Dojocartwheel]

@@mattb9054 I take 4mg a day. I feel like the dose is perfect. I take a 2mg strip in the morning and then another one at night. Do you think that’s a small enough dose to be on long term?

[@christopherhensley5329]

Come off of it asap ive been on it for 3 years and only 25 I regret it. Thos medicine traps you in and can't come off of it until it's too late

[@Dojocartwheel]

@@christopherhensley5329 why do you regret it?

[@ajf1060]

@@Dojocartwheel Each person is different. I find it’s all in the way you approach sobriety. I have been clean for over a year and suboxone is a huge factor in that. I started at 6mg and am down to 4, next I will step down to 2 (I plan to taper in smaller increments after 2mg). use suboxone to get the other issues in life straightened out, get yourself in a stable, healthy lifestyle and get to a point where you are happy and healthy. Once you have everything set up like that, it’ll far easier to handle the change of tapering down to nothing. Subs have done wonders for a lot of people but it’s about determination, will power and effort in my opinion.

[@williamwesterheide7470]

Currently on day 7 cold turkey 8mg subs after 2 years of successful maintenance and let me tell you this is the worst day I feel like I’m in organ failure I’m hoping for only a few more days of this feeling and I hope anyone else coming off can get it done with out a relapse, I’m a chronic relapser and you can beat this shit lost 10 friends in just the last year to fent I’m 26 with nothing to show but my sobriety and I’m fine with that. Idk if I’ll stay sober but I know I want to

[@derek4real179]

I hope you still sober

[@clintbishir]

Stay strong

[@patjoslin4087]

How are you doing?

[@bioshawna]

Checking in. You ok?

[@aronandkatiechristopher2142]

Hey bro u still sober

[@indigenousndn7631]

this man made ALOT of sense.i wish i had him as a doctor

[@sarag1158]

I really appreciate doctors like you who treat addiction. I'm really lucky and that I've been seeing the same doctor for 15 years. She was also my doctor at the methadone clinic. As for tapering, I'm in absolutely no hurry. Fifteen years later I'm so far from being an addict it's ridiculous. I did notice early on that the Suboxone did help with treating my mild depression. Yet another reason to not hurry up and taper off.

[@ChazinFl1]

IM so sorry😥😥

[@rickp3753]

I took 8mg films for 16 years and I'm glad to see you write that. My life is SO much better it seems miraculous. I tapered off 7 months ago and now I'm free. That dope fiend is gone, and for pretty much the first time, I can live happily sober. With me.

[@janycebrown4071]

Today is my last dose of Suboxone after using it legally for 7 years! It saved me from my Fentanyl addiction 🎉

[@alexgregory7851]

I really had to adjust my body to lower dosages before fully getting off. The first 3 days were tough but i wanted my life back and constantly told myself that.

[@jimmy329]

I’ve tried many times to get off suboxone but it’s more difficult for me then quitting fentanyl was . I won’t stop trying to get off suboxone though

[@torialexis23]

I finally got off of suboxone. Took me a year but its done. Thank you for your shows

[@DrBAddictionRecovery]

🙏

[@0ViciousV0]

Someone plz give me some advice. Started experimenting with opiates at 18. Didnt really become habitual until i was about 23. I was fully addicted to heroin at 25. I have been using sub for about 4-5 years. I only take 1-2 mg a day. But i want to quit it for good. Thank you for reading and my heart goes out to others in my situation

[@cherylreuter4008]

This is the most accurate information I’ve heard in a few years! Please... spread this info far and wide❤️❤️❤️❤️. Thank you!

[@DrBAddictionRecovery]

Thankyou!

[@user-ForWeWrestleNot]

It's definitely NOT trading one addiction for another because we don't get high off of it or chase it but I do believe that for myself since my life has changed so much for the better after fifteen years I am committed to come off it now.

[@scottrose1502]

Nice video! When people tell me that famous line, "Its just trading one drug for another...." I correct them by first asking "What are addicts trying to ultimately change?" If their half way smart, they will say "Behavior". Thats when I say, "Yes....Its trading one set of behaviors, for another better set of behaviors." Behaviors dictate outcomes, outcomes guide you to your goals, and goals take you toward your destiny. After its all said and done, its all about the legacy you leave behind. For others to be both inspired by, learn from and grow as human beings by exercising compassion and empathy for others and to pass on these lessons themselves.

[@snoozers5]

My doc said to me "Didn't you need more and more of the drug to get the same result? You totally changed your behavior and take the same dose every day." That's why AA or NA only have addicts involved, ppl have no idea what we go through or what we have gone through. I like your mindset on and that you mention inspiring others, cause you through a bit of inspiration my way, thanks! 1 month away from a year clean, now that's a legacy to continue!

[@tantawan6]

Dr.B your the only bloke i have heard that makes sense. I'm 76 years old,started useing narcotics at 19, Heroin at 20 then a long haul with Methadone,Heroin up until 40, got clean for 10 years, unfortunately got useing again,mostly Methadone as it was easy to get .Finally got onto Suboxone after a terrible preciperated withdrawel and eventually got stable on a low dose (4mgs) a day, I'm still on 4mgs but i wouldn't notice it,just stability , I have the utmost respect for this drug as it's the only one I feel that has helped me genuinaly in my 50 odd years of addiction. Lately I have been watching all the tapering off Vids and listening to Dr's about useing 'Sublucade' and other drugs that help the Jone's, being 76 with a not to good heart and A.F. what are your thoughts comeing off with a very slow taper,over a long period? This vid seems to resonate with me as you r anecotes about long term tapering.Any help I would appreciate ,I live in Australia hopeing this isn't a problem.Ed

[@kristinetannous6150]

Wish the doctors had this much knowledge. They don’t care and leave the plan up to you. Well at least mine does.

[@lauraestes9304]

Me too I have seen very little knowledge actually almost zero given to me ....I've been told to just take it the rest of my life ...haha. Even though it's ruining my sleep and my teeth and my personality I cannot feel emotions like I can't cry anymore and I don't feel anything ....I wasn't that way when I was high and I wasn't that way before I every started using opiates at age 40 and I'm 53 now....I think it's all up to the patients where I'm going.....they can't force a person to get off it so it has to be self motivated....that's the tricky thing.

[@joerobbins6318]

Im so afraid with this chronic illness that haunts me both day and night. the paranoia and depression can and is overwhelming at times.

[@Oscarr_Official]

@Austin Thomas Same here. But i wake up everyday and start crying. Im going cold turkey atm, and been only 3 days without. Its just so terrible, i don't know either what im gonna do.. But as i've come "this" far, im going to quit this sh*t.. The paranoia and anxiety is just too overwhelming :(

[@Oscarr_Official]

@Austin Thomas 3 years and dosage ranging from 4mg-8mg. I also used it intravenous daily..

[@fredstahl8372]

I know you're pain brother its no joke!!!! I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy!!!! Hang in there!!!! I've been on sub's for 4 yrs and I'm sick of it!!! Be strong and good things will happen!!! I slowly tappered down to little doses I'm trying but its not easy!!!

[@Oscarr_Official]

​@Austin Thomas It got so bad, i let myself 1 day break and took 1mg bupe, i literally felt im going to die. Had terrible panic attacks, cold/warm shiverings and all was totally blatant... Now i got myself some Xanax, to help the process. 1mg in morning and 1mg at night, if necessary. I prefer Diazepam tho, because its more long lasting and not so strong. But i have to wait my dr. to renew the prescription. I actually eat benzos everyday, because i have anxiety disorders.. But i wont let this one day knock me down. Today i will take this "break" and just relax. I'll try to meditate and enjoy life this one day.. And continue the process tomorrow, without bupe. Its so sad, i "enjoy my life", just because now i dont have withdrawals.. Wish you all the best bro, God bless you! And thank you for supporting me, i think its very important to help people through comments. You can actually save lives by doing it. Giving people hope. God bless you all.

[@Jmeez69]

@Austin Thomas i get it brother im 29 tapering off... fucing sucks

[@Raven-si7bm]

Thank you for these informative videos!

[@kudu2196]

Thing about us addicts is we want things quick. If anyone says the withdrawal from suboxone was worse than fentanyl doesn’t know what a true fentanyl withdrawal is like or taper way to fast. I plan on tapering over about 4 months dropping 1mg every two or three weeks. So far barely noticeable dropping 2mg from my regular 8mg dose. Not anywhere near heroin or fentanyl doing it like this. I have tapered in a quarter of the time that Im doing now and relapsed. So far I’m okay.

[@kerryfox7706]

Thankyou for educating people Dr b, people have a negative view of subutex (I’m in the uk) instead of looking at it as the valid effective treatment that it is. I really think it’s saved my life and will take it for years if necessary, I haven’t even tried to taper down yet .. I take 18mg....thankyou again 🥰

[@DrBAddictionRecovery]

🙏. Please be safe.

[@LionhartM]

Did you end up getting off of it?

[@maguscrowley4645]

I have been on it for about 5 years now. It is much better than methadone. It does not get me all messed up like methadone. I have had same job for 6 years. I was homeless. I suspect I will be on it the rest of my life.

[@anasrantsnbeauty]

*Dr. B I think that you are absolutely fabulous.* I wish in PA there were MORE "sub doctor's" in my area it is very limited & you kind of have to be grandfathered in. The monthly prices some of these doctor's charge is ridiculous. $300 per visit and the first two weeks $150 then it will go to monthly. And they'll say things like "You were able to get the money for your dope, you should have no problem getting the money to see me". And that phrase is widely used and I think VERY unfair BECAUSE we live different lives when we are on MAT. It's like they are asking you to prostitute yourself, or sell illegal substances to make the visits affordable. Not everyone is a CEO from the streets to MAT. It's very unfortunate & it kills people. *You're a gem, truly.*

[@DrBAddictionRecovery]

Thank you and sorry to hear that.

[@necromancer6897]

And most likely we stole to get the money so is that what they want! You are correct it is a totally different lifestyle and to change that is how we recover , we don’t steel or lie to get money so that argument is bullshit! Those drs don’t know shit so run as fast as you can if you hear that !

[@jerrysanders9101]

Nearly the entire medical community , just like the government, is corrupt and greedy af. It’s sickening what’s become of “medicine”.

[@anasrantsnbeauty]

@@necromancer6897 well I would never go to one of that stature.

[@anasrantsnbeauty]

@@jerrysanders9101 I understand your frustrations but there are other Dr. B’s out there. You just have to make it your literal job to find one.

[@S650Hero]

Guys I did it, 4 years started at 16 mg, tried getting off multiple times but what did it for me was worked my way down to “quarter mg” morning daily dose and once I was stable at that dose(3/4 weeks) I waited for a long weekend/expect a full week just in case and I stopped taking it, oddly enough first day was the worst. Then got better every day after, ibuprofen and other calming aids helped mitigate symptoms. I’m free guys. Fully free and ready to bring my first child into this world off of drugs

[@B_Bodziak]

Congratulations! Parenthood is a struggle. There will be a lot of triggers caring for a newborn. Take it one day or hour at a time

[@S650Hero]

@@B_Bodziak it’s been a few more weeks and feeling good, I don’t drink or do anything except prescribed medical marijuana, but I do wanna try and work on slowing down on that as well soon. Good videos man sometimes a little encouragement is what someone may need on that moment they choose to stop their last dose.

[@ABM624FAO]

@@S650HeroI been taking 8mg for bout a year then got myself to half of that, then half of half… I’m two days in without taking it… how bad will this journey be? What will help…

[@S650Hero]

@@ABM624FAO it’s more Intimidating then I expected but try to allow yourself a week off from work and just do everything you can to relax and don’t count on “good” sleep for a few days but maybe some home remedies can help with that as well. Also I used ibuprofen for 3-4 days Also don’t feel bad if you don’t make it the first try this was my third attempt I tried cold turkey off of 16(big mistake) and also off of 1mg, I gave up real fast on the 1mg and I think people should try and taper down to quarter mg every day one time a day for like 3/4 weeks then jump off from that dose

[@_Feyd-Rautha]

Right around 5:45 you’re saying if someone gets subs off the street to try to do their own taper off heroin they will INVARIABLY fail. I just want to say I’ve done this approach many times and while I’ve failed, the time I had my longest period 100% clean and sober, before I went into the Salvation Army rehab, I used a few street suboxone strips and just did my best at doing a taper. I’m not saying this to advise this to anyone but at the same time it did in a way, most likely, save my life.

[@cottoncandy_kiss1407]

Been on Suboxone for 5 years and I been tapering down for the past 6 months. Went from taking 2 subs a day now down to a quarter and now I'm having body aches and withdrawals. My doctor won't prescribe me anything to help me with my withdrawals. So I came here to this video

[@lukatokic4238]

Hang on candy girl!!

[@kristinetannous6150]

Took me almost 2 years to go from 28 to 2 mg daily. Now just the last 2 mg to go. 🙏

[@kristinetannous6150]

@Fast Internet awwww thanks heaps that’s an awesome comment. 🙌🏻👍

[@kristinetannous6150]

@Fast Internet thank you

[@epicvillain8308]

28mg??? Are you sure you meant 28mg or 2.8? That would nearly kill you.

[@kristinetannous6150]

@@epicvillain8308 honey I was on 28. Highest dose back then was 32 that’s not much. We’re talking bup here. Definitely can’t kill you if you are taking it correctly but thanks for the comment

[@kristinetannous6150]

@@epicvillain8308 can I ask why you would think it would kill you? Never had anyone say that about bup lol

[@chadgazi9454]

Absolutely brilliant advice. The best I've heard. Especially the length of time of recovery, in the fact of decision making. I did have nearly 4 years of recovery and relapsed. I am about to detox again and will take in board some of the tools

[@DrBAddictionRecovery]

Good luck and be strong

[@chadgazi9454]

Thank you...age isn't helping. My head is the enemy...i can place a name on the symptoms of withdrawal (like having a cold but knowing the cure).....so stressed out about it all tbh, because I don't even know if the street heroin is just that. What else could it be cut with that I'm addicted too?

[@jordan3224]

Doc, I’m finally getting off suboxone/gabapentin. 15 years I’ve dosed daily on this medication. Isn’t that crazy? I’m going to detox next week and entering a rehab program. I hope I can do this. I’m really scared.

[@ChazinFl1]

You can do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@HopeLives2012]

How are you?❤

[@carrsondramay7409]

Hope you got through it. ❤

[@jordan3224]

@@HopeLives2012 I hate to say it. But I failed in treatment. I made it 1 week. The depression and anhedonia was the main reason I left. And my pregnant wife and 2 year old at home. I am currently still taking suboxone. 16 mgs daily with 1800mgs of gabapentin. I feel like it’s impossible at this point

[@justinhoke7386]

Did you make it

[@stressless2997]

The desert island is so spot on. I’ve never had a doctor explain it that way but I think every addict could relate to that scenario. This is because addicts have all experienced A time when they force a supply to last longer time periods.

[@otisjones5412]

What you say about having a sober mind, making sound decisions, and with delayed gratification in mind. It’s 100000% the most important thing. Being on Suboxone you definitely still see the world as a much more overly great place even when you don’t realize it. The exaggerated sense of well being even when in treatment for a long time, it’s still there…..

[@JimmyKlef]

Not everyone is like this. They didn’t advertise the anti depressant side of it and plenty of people like me… it absolutely destroys everything good. I haven’t felt anything other than agony and mistrust and severe paranoia and severe depression while on it. In absolutely no way exaggerating it’s one of the worst things to ever happen to me. Ive also tried antidepressants and they are the same. Completely life destroying for some people. There is nothing good about this drug to some people other than saving them from overdose of fentanyl. It’s better than dying. But everyone should be warned that you should do methadone treatment instead if you don’t work with antidepressants well. And absolutely nobody should plan to be on this more than 6-10 months tops. The years I’ve wasted doing nothing but suffering i am not even sure i can handle the emotions of when i get back to normal. My best years gone.

[@Gorlami90]

Suboxone through a doctor is 100% better than doing heroin. But understand it isn’t treating anything, it’s to allow you to get into a healthy routine. If you don’t open up about your insecurities and whatever is deep down that you lie to yourself about this won’t do anything more than a routine. You have to be ready to want to go through the emotional pain of vulnerability to change and better yourself. As an addict tapering is hard to do, I personally (having been through both withdrawals) that suboxone is 100% more difficult to quit, BUT AGAIN, I’m an addict so I never properly tapered. Also know suboxone has a side effect where your thoughts will become cyclical and for me, I would be thinking the same negative thoughts over and over, (with good days and bad) but I caught myself cycling through the same negative emotions. I HOPE YOU GET THE COURAGE TO WANT TO CHANGE FOR THE BETTER AND GET CLEAN! GOD BLESS!

[@daxbroadley]

I went to rehab in 2004. I was prescribed suboxone when I left. I was a junkie. I don’t drink, smoke, Or surround myself with any one who uses. I have changed EVERYTHING! Narcotics Anonymous saved me. I was separated from my wife and daughter before going to rehab. Living from crack house to couch to wherever. It’s been 18 years on August 23rd. I now have 4 children , earned my wife’s love and trust back and own a very successful plumbing company with 28 employees. Most of my employees came from N.A. Needless to say I have been afraid of stopping suboxone. I’m also ready to not have this crutch any longer. The crutch was necessary for my recovery. This is one (fear of the unknown) I need help with.

[@miroslavstanko6017]

I am from Croatia and 13 years on Sub 8mg (43 old). No relaps. One pil/day for normal life.

[@DrBAddictionRecovery]

That is Amazing!

[@cappy5634]

Or sad depending.

[@mtmatt8958]

24mg is a very high dose. Most ive been on was 16mg divided into 2 doses. Felt too strong and not needed ...Over the past couple years ive gotten down to 2mg. Still takes away cravings and keeps my depression and anxiety away.

[@Wichan137]

i’m on the exact same dose, 8mg morning then 8 at night. i’ve became so lazy and unmotivated for things i used to love, and this anxiety has gone over the roof that it’s actually ticking me off since i never even had anxiety. hope we all get to the point we wish to get ❤

[@JaniceTrades777]

So...how do u taper? U never gave us a plan on this video. I tried and had stroke symptoms and am forever messed up. I now have swelling and blood pressure problems but if I tell my sub dr, they just cut u off and say go prove youre healthy enough to get this script but I'm in fear because I can't just go through another 29 days of withdrawal and stroke symptoms for trying to get safely off this medicine. It's a nightmare.

[@user-zt7zk5ll6d]

Anyone willing to give advice on the finale step? I Started on 12mgs tapered down to half a mg of buprenorphine throughout nearly 3 three years. I can go one day without dosing and on the second day I start getting uncomfortable, joint pains specifically in my shoulders while trying to sleep after work. The longest I went was 3 days so far. How did you get through the insomnia, uncomfortable feelings and body aches While still going to work?

[@jilliancooper4756]

🙏🙏 thank you so much Dr B... I've been on bup for 20mnths n I'm in no hurry to get off I'm on 1.2mg I also do a lot of therapy I do CBT I meditate n live my life I work as a volunteer showing others we can recover ☺️ absolutely love your content your a wise wise man I'm 46 was using heroin for 23yrs I was an intrevenous user 😥 today I totally have my shit together 🙂 for my personal development I would luv to wrk in a pd job but in Scotland I need to be drug free including any replacement drug I'll get there slow n steady wins the race 💪 love from Scotland Jx ❤️🙏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@WezzleG]

Keep up the good work. CBT was one of biggest helps for me in the grand scheme of "fixing" myself. Sending love from Yorkshire 😊

[@MrDenzal27]

does that dose hold u? iam on 2 mil of bupnorphine and it keeps me well for 10 hours odd. doing finally cluck in 3 days last doses.

[@criticalmass6249]

Bupe is actually super strong. 8-16-24mgs. is ridiculous imo. Im american but scottish & Irish through my moms ancestry. I miss her. Im sad, and im about a week into sub withdrawals. Hopefully only a few more days & Ill start feeling better. Im determined to quit bupe. For me the withdrawals are a joke compared to H. Yet still no joke. I want to grow my own médecine and self medicate naturally that way. Im in love with a woman but she has cut me out of her life. What to do ?!? OD? or continue fighting a 20 year long battle thats left me scarred and hurt. Dr. B makes me want to be a doctor though lol hes so cool . Where did I lose myself ?! is this what God intended for me ? is this a foretaste of what hell is? A few more days and hopefully Ill get something that isnt opium related. Damn this sucks.. Love Friends ❤ Take Care.

[@mr.vancando4849]

Jillian Cooper how are you doing now? Detroit Scottish Guy wants to know? CRAGAN AN FHITHICH.

[@mr.vancando4849]

@@criticalmass6249 on Bupe, why are you worrying about opts? Stay on Subs an wheen off bro. It can be done

[@jenniferphillips4765]

Hello Dr. Thank you so much for your time. Could you help me with a taper or dose. Im 41 of age. Ive been using fent. For 5 years. I'm 170 pds and I have type one diabetes. Could you help me find a dose Regiment for me. I am getting my SUBOXINE 2 strips, One In the morning and one at night. In the next two weeks. Again THANK YOU.

[@adamelliott9581]

Taper with kratom worked for me 3 years of pain management virtually no withdrawal when I stopped the kratom

[@DwazeHoer]

Old comment but it needs reiterated. I stopped from a dose of .5 to .75 still had withdrawals but much more manageable. Tried Kratom to quit before I started suboxone my first go around and while it helped the withdrawal was still too much. Attempt 2 I used Kratom after about a year long suboxone taper starting at 12 mg. While I still had pain and a feeling of skin crawling it was much more manageable. Not pretending it was easy but it was a hell of a lot easier than the time I tried just kratom without doing the suboxone first. The withdrawal from suboxone seemed to last about a week. I took the minimal dose of kratom to function and was off that in 2 weeks. The combination worked wonders and I know everyone is different but I really wish others had access to good information on the best ways to use this approach because it definitely can work.

[@everydaybladesinc]

Great info. Thank you. I’ve been on suoboxone for about 8 years. I take 10 mg. A day. When I try to taper down I never seem. To level off. I continually feel bad until I return to my regular dose. I’m also having severe stomach issues and I’m worried the Suboxone may be the cause. I thought about rapid medical detox but that seems to be very dangerous

[@dawavecraver]

Thanks for the video. Im 61yo and have been on Suboxone for over ten years..Im prescribed 12mg daily but for the last three years I was getting 35 subutex per month extra. The 35 extra finally ran out about three weeks ago and I ran out of all my subs ten days prior to my appointment making it the longest time without subs in all of the 10+ years. I went through hell. Each day felt like a month. I made it to my appointment and picked up my 45 x 8mg prescription. Its been four days taking 12mg a day and it feels like I did some major brain damage. I still have anxiety but not as intense as when detoxing. Trouble sleeping, etc..... My main concern is the way my head is feeling and the loss of some balance. I feel a pressure towards the front of my skull. my hope is to start feeling stable again before I attempt a taper off this drug. My goal is to be completely off of it. Im not concerned how long it will take but some day I would like to be free of it. Your video is very helpful ,Thanks

[@wsurjec6414]

Ive had that same pressure from something els, itll go away, likely no damge

[@paulflur4519]

Bad withdrawal doesn’t happen during a taper until I get under to or under 4mg of buorenorphine, and I think it has to do with the occupancy of the receptors, which starts to decline exponentially from there down. This level may be relative to the individual but I’ve seen this across a multitude of people getting off. Some people claim to feel better when stabilized on lower doses as being on it for a while in high doses can cause issues like edema and liver problems, as well as periodic excessive sweating, which for some reason goes away at lower doses for me. I dunno, I’ve tapered too fast before and landed back on full opiates so it must be done in a strategic manner with a health care professional.

[@ginge7945]

I spent 25 years as a polydrug taker, anything and everything was my choice until heroin. 12 years on that mainly but amongst others at the same time and i thought enough is enough. I started a subutex prescription and I've been on them 5 and a half years, they helped me save myself and i strongly recommend. I've been researching tapering a while and I've started on my own. I recently come down from 16 to 12mg and have been at 12mg for approximately 6 weeks, I'm ready for my next reduction and i know I'm going to succeed, that I've no doubt of but it's gonna take time. Luckily time is one thing I'm rich with since i gave up my Russian roulette lifestyle

[@jocrain83]

Love this! Of course you will succeed with that mindset! ❤️

[@ginge7945]

@@jocrain83 thank you

[@Amar1338]

@@ginge7945 keep kicking ass . Rooting for you

[@ginge7945]

@@Amar1338 thank you, my 6th day on 10mg and all good!!!

[@snoozers5]

I just love hearing your love for life now! Go Ginge Go!

[@mattneil1449]

I have some bad news but its the truth. You cannot quit subs without at least a little withdrawal. I tapered down and it helped really lessen the effects of withdrawal and also how long they lasted. When i did qiut though I could still tell i was withrawling. The main effects were complete lack of energy and also lack of appetite. It was also hard to get any sleep besides dozing off for 20 mins here and there. I didnt get the cold sweat thing or the uncomfortable feeling of your bones hurting. I was relatively comfortable just laying on the couch for 5 days. I also didn't get really bad diarrhea that usually happens at the end of withdrawals. So although they were withdrawals by tapering they were very manageable. I hope this helps someone.

[@FreshDougan]

Don't rush it. I went steady down to about .75-1mg. Once I made a quick dip to .25 I felt horrible. Tried to ride it out and dipped again to .1mg all within a couple weeks. It's been bad, pain keeping me up all night, insomnia. Worst withdrawal I've ever had. I am just gonna take the loss and go back up to .5mg and try again at a later date. I've also been tapering down from 16mg over 2 years.

[@albertmarciaro7426]

Been on subs for about 10 years. Was prescribed 2 - 8 mg. Films a day. Never begun to take both. From day 1 I just took 1 film in the morning and felt fantastic. My sleep pattern was perfect.I recently decided to try and taper. I cut the strip in half so I was taking 4 mg a day. I did this for 3 weeks with no side affects whatsoever. BUT everybody is different. One morning I forgot to take it and didn't realize it until I was in bed. I said screw it I felt fine and slept perfectly. Well I am so excited to share with everyone that I am now in my 10th day with no sub at all and Thank God I never felt any different at all. I have not a half ounce of withdrawal or discomfort in any way, shape or form. Never slept or felt better in my life. But please, just cause it worked this well for me it may not for someone else !!! Good luck to everyone and God Bless !!!!

[@albertmarciaro7426]

@Amanda R you hang in there and listen to the doctors and clinicians they are hardly trained professionals with countless hours in the lab and watching video and reading they know what they're doing,

[@albertmarciaro7426]

Sorry Amanda I hit the button before I was finished. See I was in a bind after countless no shows with my appointments and rescheduling being a typical addict I wasn't listening after they threatened over and over just throw me off there.

[@albertmarciaro7426]

I don't believe I just did it again hit the button before I was finished lol. Anyway the day came and they asked me not to return. So I figured this was as good a time as any to try this. But the way I had it planned out I didn't have as many as I needed to run this course. And being honest once again and I try to be as honest as I can on a daily basis anyway I went on the streets and bought some films. The way I look at it a lot better than going the other direction a hell of a lot better. You hang in there do what they tell you to do and you going to come out like a champion and if you need me you know where to find me I'm right here if you have any questions or anything at all I'm always the first to jump up and help somebody. Good luck!!!

[@asiabadd3731]

@@albertmarciaro7426you are really blessed!

[@barefootbreezy6983]

Hello ive been on 16m sub everyday for a couple of months I notice it drains me a little. How much better will I feel if I stop it. I dont feel like myself anymore and it scares me.

[@Cloud9az]

Agree I'm down to 8 and I feel numb and not me 😮

[@oraclenetworks]

I’ve been on subs for ten plus years. I am sober five years from alcohol. I want to quit this medication so badly but have really struggled when trying. I feel like I never have my natural energy especially in the mornings. It’s a drug I wish i never got on.

[@thomasfranklin7999]

people always tell me it’s so easy to get off subs but i already know the worst part of coming off subs is the last jump! even from .125 to nothing!!

[@valerie362]

I appreciate your videos and knowledge so much! I wouldn't mind being on it forever. The pain relief really is better than anything I've ever used. My current doc is weaning me (very slowly) after being with him for a year. I'm going to ask to pause it for now. After the Ortho was done with my 3rd spinal surgery he basically said that I will have neuropathy and bone pain for the rest of my life.

[@rickp3753]

It really is a good pain reliever.

[@acidbath3226]

get some broad spectrum CBD extract and it will make the pain relief 10x greater and work synergistically with the sub as well while making the side effects and withdrawal effects a lot easier to deal with

[@yranidiot]

I have been on pain meds for my back ……. I decided to get off the pain meds because of how your treated at pain management place. I went to a soboxone place and was put on 2 doses strips. It didn’t help with my back pain so I stayed on soboxone for 4 years. But then the office I went to for soboxone I asked them will I get addicted to this stuff also but they couldn’t give me a good answer. Here’s you script come back in a week. I felt I traded a addiction for another. I tapered my self of from full strip to half to quarter to sixteenth strips now I’m week off now ……. I feel like shit still but it getting better. But now I still have to deal with back pain 😢

[@amanakathompson2791]

He’s brutally honest not many like him in the world and he’s looking so tired with blood shot or tired eyes tho

[@Inspiringami]

I have extensive experience with coming off of sub. Lots of different ways. The latest one, was April of this year! I’m still clean meow 5months later! THE BEST WAY IS SUPER SLOW AND STEADY!! Extremely slow when u get down to about 4mg. Once u get down to 1mg for a week, u can just take less and less everyday for a week or even more, and I had VERY MINOR detox symptoms. The big challenge is staying clean. Finding coping skills to get through the mental part of addiction. The problem is within our minds. The physical addiction is the most outward problem but when u get rid of that, u learn the real challenges of recovery! THERE IS HOPE! Life gets fucking amazing! We as recovering addicts NEED TO FOCUS ON GRATITUDE EVERY SINGLE DAY!

[@eddiespagetti8395]

Thanks doc. I'm taper. I'm allready off the script after 6 years I stockpiled my Suboxone so no worries , I'm down to 1 mg a day and.i will go even lower for. A week or so. I'm clean from street dope 12 years total drug free so I'm not worried. Running to herion is not an option. No rush but I'm focused to get off this stuff. Thanks for sharing. I'm an emotional mess crying today for no reason ? Wth ? I was in prison many years but I've been out for 7 years. I'm on a roller coaster it's all good. I was numb so many years. My feelings are coming out and it's strange but great sign I am human still. My girl was afraid to see me cry she never saw me cry. Funny stuff really but serious numbed me. I hear ya , yes I'm recovered my decision making and my wisdom and my life is great today. Total turned it around. Just being hooked on anything is not cool. I want total freedom and I deserve it after 12 years of choosing to no do dope. It's a choice. I'm not powerless nor do I have a disease. Choices. Life is all choices. 12 step concept is brainwash nothing more , not proven to be a disease.

[@IChIDH]

It's not a crutch it's a collar. I've been on subs for 10 years. Started getting high 25 years ago the day my dad died and haven't stopped since. I'm on day six and feeling positive. Like you say it's all about mind set, and I think because of that these withdrawals don't seem as bad as in the past. I haven't been living like an addict for the past five years now. I take my meds, go to work and don't think about it. But it throws a blanket over my emotions and I can't live that way any longer. I feel positive that I can do it this time, knock on wood.

[@johnfisherman2859]

how have you been?

[@IChIDH]

@@johnfisherman2859 still on the path, clean and sober. Feeling better than I have in decades. Thanks for asking, I appreciate it.

[@keithoyoung34]

How are you doing man? You said you were on Day 6?Was that Day 6 cold turkey?

[@IChIDH]

@@keithoyoung34 I'm doing great, thanks for asking. Yes I quit cold turkey although I smoked some weed to get me through it. Withdrawals didn't seem nearly as bad this time as they did in the past, I think mindset has a lot to do with it. Still clean going on 5 months.

[@BlackVibeBallsack]

@@IChIDH dang man...Great job!

[@amysnews6808]

If you can answer this, as I am NOT asking for medical advice, I simply want an opinion, but if a patient is coming down every 3 weeks or so (IOW long taper), once they reach a level like 2 mg should they be cutting to 1 mg or 1.5 mg? Would the .5 mg make that much of a difference? How low should a person go, if they have the time, before stopping? Thanks!

[@mrhood3977]

My Dr told me the same thing this Dr said that I would be on them forever and I didn't want to believe him after 8yrs of taking every day, and today is my first day with nothing, and it sucks but I'm hopeful that it will only last a few days Wishing you the best of luck

[@rickp3753]

In my experience 1/2mg was the lowest I could go. 1/4 mg didn't help. But I wasn't dopesick. Just insomnia for awhile. Get a few benzoyl of you can.

[@amysnews6808]

@@mrhood3977 So how is it going? How low did you go before stopping? Hope you're doing well and had minimal discomfort!

[@mrhood3977]

@@amysnews6808 I tapered down to 1/2 a 4mg strip a day for two months and then went to 1/3 of a 4mg strip a day for a month and now I haven't had anything for almost 4 weeks and the first week was tough because you can't get comfortable or sleep much but it seems to get a little easier each passing day Good looking out and thank you for asking and wishing you all the best 👍

[@amysnews6808]

@@mrhood3977 I just cut to 1.5 mgs, going to cut to 1 in a few days then .5 then off. Hoping I'm completely off it within a few more weeks. So far God has been good and I've had almost zero withdrawal but I've done it VERY slowly. Just hoping I can make it over this last hurdle. People like you give me hope! Thank you for that!

[@R2RMINISTRIES]

I’ve been on suboxone 8mg x3 a day for 11 years plus and I’m sick of having to rely on it daily! I seriously need help!

[@jennlozeau]

I have been on suboxone for 15 years

[@drstew1]

Life changing information Thank you. Am currently on Subutex and have been for about 20 years. I was on 12 mg a day then i got it down to 6. Am now down to 1mg or 0.8 2x 0.4 . My situation is by accident not knowing i had a Prescription waiting. Ive not had anything for 5 days very uncomfortable. I’m now wondering if i should take the 0.8 mg because I’m not getting a nights sleep ,in the evening , i feel most vulnerable. My addiction to Heroin in the late 90’s lasted a couple of years. Thats a NO NO. Today. So its just this. Subutex. One of the main reasons i feel Hostage to it ,is what would i do if i got stuck somewhere? And I didn’t have any with me. Or travelling and the country doesn’t allow? Do i need this in my life?

[@bioshawna]

How you doing now? It's been a few months

[@drstew1]

@@bioshawna Thanks for asking. 0.4 mg or 400 mg as its also known. I met with a clinical pharmacist.and explained my situation, so now am on a dose lower than I’ve ever been on and this just about covers my pain management. What i did before was way to rapid and so my body reacted . Much better now…

[@bioshawna]

@@drstew1 glad you're in a good place! that's great. I am interested in tapering down myself soon so this is great encouragement. I also suffer with chronic pain (scoliosis/migraines) so I know how you feel regarding the need for pain management.

[@drstew1]

@@bioshawna Migraines ? . Sumatriptan is good for that and its not a pain killer (even though it does take the pain of headache away) i get Cluster headaches, and this stuff works perfectly. You only take it if needed, as opposed to daily. I wish you all the best.

[@rtdmna]

Years ago i watched a video that a doctor put up about his heroin addiction, he said he went on Suboxone, stabilised, then started to reduce, he was on the type that looks like clingwrap and goes under the tongue, he said he used a ruler to measure a line on the ruler, obviously the smallest amout, i dont remember how often he did it, but he said that he was able to come off it with no discomfort at all. He also said that there are a lot of doctors that become addicted to opiods, and if you can find a doctor who has been in your position and come through it, that doctor will know what your going through and treat you with more compassion. He did say where the best place to look for such a doc. but i can not remember, some sort of medical listing, i think. Hope that helps .

[@blue123439]

Thanks for the info.

[@simonpatterson4300]

I have learnt that mu receptors are around %95 saturated at 16mg buprenorphine or over, and at 2mg mu receptors are still around %48 occupied. So 2mg is only around halfway of the taper. I am down to 4mg from 16 mg, I still have a lot of work and am in no hurry.

[@cappy5634]

Don't rush it if you don't have to. It's been hell for me.

[@TheMatrixgod]

i heard 2 is 85% where did you find that infor?

[@jtucci5711]

Another valuable piece on the use and withdrawal from Suboxone. Thank you.

[@Mr.E419]

Great topic!!! I just started watching but im positive that it will have extremely helpful information 💜

[@DrBAddictionRecovery]

🙏

[@mirvaleinonen1180]

You like many others doesn't take a note about using Bubrenorfin by IV. My doctor gave me Norspan wich is Bubrenorfin patches, and now I have been using those over 15years by IV. I have tryed to stop but it's horrible, I can be max 2 weeks whitout of that and then I just can't anymore. And because Finnish healtcare system, I can't seek for help from the doctors for numerals reasons. Allmost nobody talks about if you are taking Bubrenorfin straight in to your vain.. I would love to here more about that and tips how to get off. (Sorry, bad English, greetings from Finland!).

[@budderrob]

I dont wanna do drugs * ( when im alone... i wanna do drugs) never ending

[@bigmiim8584]

Man