Dread Ep 09 - "Doom" clone for Amiga 500 - The Demo Map Release

[@RMCRetro]

Wow that's just amazing!! Great job

[@PabliX_PL]

Epic! Are you going to release version with higher resolution for 020 or 030 turbo cards?

[@oq5u7BXc]

John Carmack told us that this is not possible on Amiga, when there were A1200s and Blizzards with 68030. *John Carmack is a lamer now. Officialy!!!*

[@valenrn8657]

John Carmack only supports official SKUs from the platform holder e.g. SNES with SuperFX.

[@jakobholgersson4400]

Holy crap, this is just insanely impressive.

[@MarphitimusBlackimus]

Congratulations on the demo's release! This project is truly a marvelous technical wonder for the hardware. Just one question: How do I turn on the RTX?

[@MrStevbld]

RTX? Easy! You would have to upgrade your Amiga with 30+ year bolt on technology with the services from a UFO technician who should then help make it compatible with RTX! Voilà!

[@0xABADCAFE]

How about using RTX to simulate the actual electron beam in a CRT for the display in UAE and have the ray intersection with the phosphor light up.

[@greekpiece]

Your work is amazing! I watched also the "2.5D rendering optimizations on Amiga 500 @ Xenium 2019". I'm a rusty programmer & i understood only pieces of it :D . Question1: A hypothetical 68000 machine with chunky, 8bit or 4bit color vram (no need for c2p), but without a blitter and a copper, would perform better or worse than this? Question2: How much would it help, a hypothetical - vertical line chunky - screen mode (which i think it was do-able back then)? Amazing work from all 3 of you (+the Greek member ;). I wish you more successes :) !

[@GrzegorzStanulewicz]

Marzenia się spełniają. Jako niewierny Tomasz biję się w pierś. Pogodzony z jakością Death Mask czy Za żelazną bramą nie wierzyłem, że genialny programista, może dać Amisi 500 prawdziwego fps'a któremu bliżej do Doom'a niż Wolfenstein'a. Od wczoraj uwierzyłem :) (choć projekt śledzę od początku). Czapki z głów, coś tak niesamowitego i niemal nierealnego jest spełnieniem marzeń wielu amigowców,. Fakt, iż tak to wygląda i śmiga na Amidze 500, nakazuje mi powiedzieć jedno: jest Pan cudotwórcą :) Czapki z głów (muszę odkurzyć Amigę 500, dzięki której zostałem muzykiem :)

[@005AGIMA]

Just played through the demo map on my stock A500 Rev6a with 512K slow mem expansion. I did find (thanks to a friend) that I had to unplug the external drive or it failed to load. That aside, I cannot believe I'm playing this on an A500. I'm simply STUNNED!!! No disrespect to the other Devs but this is better (so far) than Gloom or Alien Breed 3D (1) and it's running on OCS! This is some very clever black magic right here! Just.....WOW.

[@KKAltair]

Thanks! :) What kind of external drive did you have? Floppy disk drive on external DF1? Strangely, it shouldn't affect the loading. Unless the system took more resources on boot for the driver, so less space was for Dread.

[@005AGIMA]

@@KKAltair Yeah it's just a stock A500, no HDD so Im just running it from DF0 from a disk that I wrote the ADF to. The external drive is just an external DF1 so no drivers. I mean....it's an external drive converted to a gotek, but still just acts as a normal DF1. I tried flicking the switch it has to "off" and that didn't help, so unplugged and that worked. My friend replicated the issue first on his A500 and suggested unplugging the drive. That's how we found out this is the problem. It may just be that the A500 uses some minimal ram to detect an external drive? No idea.

[@Bullet84PL]

@@KKAltair Cześć a dałbyś radę zrobić w pliku ST? pod emulatory czy nie bardzo?

[@KKAltair]

@@Bullet84PL tzn?

[@Bullet84PL]

@@KKAltair Chodzi o to żeby odpalić na Emulatorze na Hatari czy na Steem czy innym emulatorze Dred, bo zwykły plik PRG raczej nie potrafię go odczytać a nie posiadam normalnie komputera Atari ST/STE, w sumie jak i wiele osób również :), chodzi obraz dyski ST do pliku z grą

[@PixelShade]

To all ST users... I am very sorry about the cheese doodle holding the gun. We will fix this in the future. Perhaps offer Mr. Cheese Doodle a glove or something hahaha xD

[@mrkirk4944]

To all sad Amiga owners, we PC owners will just play the latest and greatest FPS, with amazing visuals, solid fps, and all on modern stunning displays. Why dick around with this sad looking shite, when you can play Doom Eternal ? hahahaha

[@PixelShade]

@@mrkirk4944 why play Doom Eternal when we have VR gamng? Why read books when we have Movies? Why go to concerts when we have digital music distribution? So many questions that are hard to answer... With that being said. I play and enjoy Doom Eternal on my PC and truly enjoy Dread on my Amiga. :) Nothing wrong with that.

[@seamusoblainn]

@@mrkirk4944 given the supply issues and other problems coming, learning to be efficient with code may become a must.

[@gregcoons7308]

Wow! Immediately downloaded and ran on both my ST's and Amiga's. Very smooth on all of them...and better than Wolfenstein 3D on the ST's.

[@rodovanra6783]

Now we just need to send you back to 1993 and have you release this on the Amiga 500 and the AGA version on the Amiga cd 32.

[@wojciechrymarczyk9616]

My thinking exactly! Back in the days I will probably scream and shout! Well done 👏

[@rocker11281]

Back in the day you did not have this kind of development tools and Workstation power as with a modern PX. Just keep that in mind, when comparing.

[@ctbullett300]

Brung a smile to my face with he pulled out the CRT.

[@PixelShade]

I wanted to do it properly for you guys! ;)

[@Kerbheros]

This truly is mind blowing, superb work ! Congrats ! I am impressed :-) I had an amiga until 1993 ... then switch to PC ... mainly because of Doom. I remember Carmack comments at the time about Amiga and CD32 not able to do Doom for technical reasons... you proved it all wrong, good job. Some people in the comments are saying how this would change history if send back in time to 1993. Well I think to change history it should be send back to 1989, because then it would not only impact the game market but probably heavily impact the development of Amiga 1200 and CD32 with design choice oriented toward this new type of games. And for a fun though experiment, if this runs on an Amiga 1000 ... imagine this demoed on the official launch of the Amiga 1000 in 1985 ... Lol I don t think anyone present would have been able to process what they had in front of their eyes :-) :-)

[@RetroDawn]

Not exactly the type of game the Amiga was designed for--it does not take full advantage of the hardware. The idea of this coming before Doom, and even Wolf3D and the earlier id 3D games is rather fanciful. Doom came out in mid-Dec 1993. Did you already get a PC before the year was out to run Doom?

[@Zoulz666]

The game looks amazing! especially on the A1200 with the butter smooth framerate! :)

[@dlfrsilver]

on A500 it's butter smooth as well. There's no slowdown at all. and the screen size is giant !

[@litjellyfish]

@@dlfrsilver So what FPS do you get on A500 vs A1200?

[@dlfrsilver]

@@litjellyfish there no fps counter in dread. But I'd say 30 fps, solid.

[@litjellyfish]

@@dlfrsilver I trust you but believe you when I get the number. As this video here for sure is not even close to 30fps :) (I would say between 6-12fps)

[@dlfrsilver]

@@litjellyfish 15fps on a500 and 30 fps on. A1200.

[@roscoe500]

Played this on my moderately upgraded A500 (68000 33MHz, 8MB Fast RAM) and runs beautifully. This is the game I dreamed of having on my A600 back in the early 90s, but closest was Death Mask and then Gloom on an A1200 later. This is far better than either of those efforts already. Can't wait for the full game.

[@benjaminp2603]

Awesome. Totally Awesome. Can't wait to reassemble my Mega STE to try it out. Sadly the whole Case of it is in a Retrobright Bath at the Moment. Keep up the good work.

[@philiphandforth4390]

Played this demo and thought it was great. I'm impressed that you didn't even fill a floppy disk with it, there must be some really nifty trickery going on there...... Wouldn't mind an episode where you cover how you fit it all on there

[@warci]

giant thumbs up, astonishing achievement! You guys went where one of the most cutting edge development team back in the day were afraid to go!

[@johanvirebrand7196]

Great demo! It's really impressive how good it looks and feels with that 7.14 MHz 68000 CPU. And on a unaccelerated Amiga 1200 it runs just perfect! REALLY great job I should say! Can't wait till the final version! Keep up the good work!

[@TzOk]

Comparing that with Substation it is... incomparable. Unbelievable that this was possible on a stock Atari STe.

[@oldhedders]

This is astonishing. Just the most amazing skill and ingenuity to do this. And on the ST too!

[@Jamesatighe]

This is truly awesome! Amazing what can be done on old hardware by talented people!

[@UncleAwesomeRetro]

I played it on the Amiga 500 and Amiga 2000 with a2620 accelerator. What an amazing game you guys are making! :D

[@Optimus6128]

That was very impressive and playable, I tried the Atari version on my STE and was still playable (the colors have improved too), I'll also try on my Amiga with accelerator that will be fast

[@valenrn8657]

For Amiga 1200 with TF1260 (68060), the CPU cache needs to be disabled. Dread's frame rate is smooth.

[@gelzamangitzaman1482]

By the way pls send this demo to modern vintage gamer,it can get much more attention.

[@mingusdoo]

Awesome! Gonna try it on my Amiga 1200 later today!

[@d_vibe-swe]

This is such an eye candy that I'm drooling! Will try it on my a1200/030!

[@lecturesalternatives8421]

Congratulations on many levels. - I thought the A500 framerate wouldn't be good enough but it's just fine. I don't even feel the need to load the game on an A1200 config and prefer the added nostalgia aspect of thinking that's how it would have run on my A500. I really didn't expect the game to be so convincing on that level. - I like what the engine can do when it comes to level geometry. These little structures and crates, recesses in the walls. I played, liked and finished wolfenstein, but it never feels like you're in a castle. Dread's level feels like a place. If ceiling or floor "variations" are implemented and lifts, different floors, etc... any other new architectural element will be really really impressive because it's already unexpectedly great. - The textures are beautiful. I didn't expect the game to be able to convey that kind of atmosphere. Truly the graphics are good enough to allow a theme and a background story. (contrary to non textured 3d games for example). I love that specific corridor that has the brown texture instead of the bricks (before the shotgun room). It just gives an identity to the place "Ho, I'm there." Rooms are also very identifiable. - The gameplay and difficulty level are well tuned. It's fun. Of course, there's nothing new under the sun but it really is fun to play. Maybe, there are too many rooms which require the player to kill the enemies by remaining at the entrance before entering. - Also, it'd be nice to be able to pick up a few cartridge clips of real bullets for the gun, even if the rubber ones are infinite. The chaingun is really beautiful. - The secrets are cool and nicely hinted at. A secret corridor would have been even better. Anyway, awesome, impressive and fun.

[@johntsakiris3717]

Many thanks for the feedback! :) I think you're right about the level design and how the enemies play. Current demo was more about showcasing the engine than providing a refined gameplay experience. There are a ton of stuff we need to do and tweak to get the game where we it needs to be. Definitely it's very rough around the edges at the moment.

[@PixelShade]

Awesome comment and feedback like usual @Lectures Alternatives. :) Yeah, I am agreeing with John here. I mean we do have variable ceiling heights currently although those are set to presets of 64/96/128px. Even in its current state I think we can do A LOT architecturally to sell the game even more. Once variable floors are in, with stairs and elevators I honestly think we can build a environments that feel like "real places". The big map (that will be offered to patreons) already have a lot of extra architectural details that sells that feeling. it is super nice to see. I am have started to make a level of my own in doom builder. It's a lot of fun, back in the 90's I did some pretty ambitious multiplayer build engine maps for Duke3D. :) and now with some added expertise as a gamedev and level designer it would be a lot of fun to contribute in that department as well. :D

[@KKAltair]

Thanks! :) I've noticed that the map structure calls for "kill everything from the doors". I'll try to avoid that in next designs. :)

[@PixelShade]

@@KKAltair Couldn't snake passages as well as u-shaped corridors have the same culling feature as doors? (Quake uses this a lot) that way we can use way less doors in the maps. :)

[@MorganJustGames]

Looks absolutely amazing. Incredible work, very well done.

[@temp911Luke]

WHat?! How is this even possible on Amiga 500 ?????

[@Barcrest]

That ste version is great. On a mega ste i imagine it is much closer to the amiga version.

[@johnroberts7850]

Well done! I don’t have an Amiga but this video made me dig out my unloved Atari 1040 STe and upgrade it to 4mb. It runs unbelievably well! Can’t wait for more levels/retail version 😻

[@chrisholland5138]

My initial reaction on watching the Sillyventure live stream - "Ooh that's a nice remake of Wolfenstein!" Second reaction - "And they've reskinned it with Doom graphics, cool!" Third reaction on seeing the original graphics and outdoor sky box scene - "Wooah, this is going to be several different kinds of special!" Thanks for doing this Altair, ST and Amiga owners alike have a treat!

[@PixelShade]

We're just getting started. :)

[@rogerchtarponne4968]

Go buy a delorean ! I'm wondering what you could achieve with a 1200 or higher. It's absolutly fabulous.

[@rocker11281]

Tried it on my stock A500 with 1 MB, my A1200 with an accelerator card 030 @40Mhz and emulated on Amiberry on a Raspberry Pi. All worked great, though I think an A1200 with a 030 card is the sweet spot, as the emulation as fast as possible seemed to smooth and the A500 @7Mhz a little to rough, if you got the comparison. Are there any plans towards an AGA-version? As great as this is already, it would be really killer to have a wider color palette.

[@johntsakiris3717]

Nope, no plans for AGA (yet). There's a lot that would need to be changed for that to happen code wise (not to mention the art assets would need to be remade from scratch). We've got a ton of work to do yet so we're focused on that for the moment. If the OCS version is finished we might see about AGA as well (no promises though). ;)

[@QuantumGarage]

Just played this on my original A1200 and its amazing. Cant wait to see more, keep up the great work you and the team are doing

[@JanBeta]

This is literally mindblowing. Awesome work!

[@alaintreesong5833]

Amazing demo. Excellent framerate on an A500 (stock). "Bravo" guys

[@AtariCrypt]

I finally got around to trying it on my Atari STe. Wow this is incredible. Love how smooth and configurable it is. Great sounds too and the map designs are good. I'm going to dig out my Mega STe at some point over Christmas so I'm hoping the extra grunt of this machine will help. Will there be options for higher detail modes at some point for faster computers? Anyhow, well done. Extremely impressive!!!!! :)

[@johntsakiris3717]

That's unlikely as the gfx are custom made for this exact aspect ratio and resolution. We'd need to redo them for this option to have any point (though 1x1 mode will add better quality upscale-downscale, even with current gfx). It's a similar deal code wise as well. At least with better machines you do get smoother frame rates so that's already something. In any case, until the development is complete nothing is really off the table. Personally I think the update that would make the most sense would be floor textures for starters.

[@flype44]

Amazing and exciting video, once again. i just tried the demo .exe on the Amiga Vampire V4, i know it's not the target machine, but that does not mean i was not so impatient to try it :) ... and it works like a charm, keyboard, mouse, video, audio, all looks and sounds ok. Only, well, i had to increase the brightness of my monitor, a little, because it's quite dark (what about a Brightness option :) ?), also increased mouse sensibility at max, which fit better, here, for me. Speed looks like on the A1200 video by Dennis, it shows a "3.20" value in average, oscillating between 2.82 at min, and 3.48 at max, from what i've noticed. And framerate value is higher when using shake or checker modes. The game itself is really pleasant to play, it's incredible work, dudes!

[@PixelShade]

thank you! have a look at your gamma settings of your monitor is it 1.8 2.0 2.2? (could also be referred to RGB and limited RGB)... The framerate is achieved by dividing 50 with the number in the corner. 50/2.82 = 17.73fps. Choosing rendering options, default is in my opinion best quality with minimal performance inpact. The scalines option improve the framrate somewhat while the checker & shake are blurry, blocky and has worse performance. :)

[@KKAltair]

Shake mode adds some Copper instructions, but checker requires assembling every other line, which is quite a bit of Blitter work. In any case, both this modes don't make sense with the increased resolution and Checker will definitely be gone, as it steals 32kB of ram that could be put to a much better use.

[@RetroDawn]

@@KKAltair I would love to see a video or read something explaining these modes technically. Also, why the low frame rate on a Vampire V4 68080?

[@romaneberle]

pleeeeaaase add some sort of multiplayer networking (nullmodem? maybe tcp/ip?) :-) congratulations & respect, great work :-)

[@EbayDK2K]

The next "metroid" is called Dread! Hope you won't have to fight Nintendo about the name...

[@DbugII]

Nice work :) Regarding the ST version, how does the renderer differs from the Amiga one? Is there any chance that the STe blitter could somewhat be used to help a bit with the speed? I'm sure there's a number of ST scene coders who would be happy to give a hand in looking if the ST version can be optimized further (myself included), but that's already a very impressive result :)

[@KKAltair]

STe blitter is used in chunky 2 planar to some extent, but there is still a room for exploration here. Other than that, both versions use mostly the same rendering, as the rendering is completely CPU based up until chunky 2 planar.

[@TheJeremyHolloway]

hey now, it wasn't just the STe that had the Blitter... the Mega ST line had it first. And there was also that graphics board from JRI for stock STs that offered a 4,096 color palette via a 2nd SHIFTER chip a good year before the STe even debuted. :)

[@DbugII]

@@TheJeremyHolloway I know, I know, I do have a Mega ST1 I should have written the "Atari Blitter", it was just to differentiate from the "Amiga Blitter".

[@DbugII]

@@KKAltair Interesting, how faster is the C2P using the Blitter compared to traditional "movep" method?

[@KKAltair]

@@DbugII I didn't measure it, but generally a lot. :)

[@pnvgordinho]

HI. First I would like to give congrats. It looks cool. I downloaded the demo and I was playing on my Mac using FSUAE and right in the beginning, I used the mouse scroll wheel and the character stops moving. Is it a bug?. Thanks and congrats.

[@EgonOlsen71]

What exactly do the numbers in the upper left corner indicate? I thought some kind of frame time, but when running on a stock A500 while starring at a wall, it shows 3.75 while on a 42 MHz 68000, it shows 6.25 at the same spot, but it runs much smoother. So it can't be that...

[@PixelShade]

hmmm... that's weird that you get 6.25 near a wall with such a fast CPU, perhaps a glitch? If you divide the number with 50 you will get the framerate. 50/3.75 = 13.33fps However, sprites updates quicker (~35fps).

[@EgonOlsen71]

@@PixelShade So it's basically the number of 1/50th of a second that one frame takes. In that case, something is wrong with it. I definitely get much smoother gameplay but higher numbers on the 42 MHz card.

[@EgonOlsen71]

@@PixelShade Tried it on another machine with a 14 MHz 68000, same results. The gameplay is smoother but the numbers are higher (in the same ballpark as with the 42 MHz clock). I don't know what this number actually shows, but it's certainly not the frame time...;)

[@PixelShade]

@@EgonOlsen71 that is SO weird. I have tried it on my A1200, my partners A500 as well as with my ACA1221ec (28MHz 020 accelerator). All of them show the correct number and corresponds to the frame rate. if you can, capture a video of it and ask KK on the discord. :) perhaps he understands why it turns out the way it does.

[@EgonOlsen71]

@@PixelShade I tested it on 4 different configurations today, all A500 with 1MB of chip. The readings are taken from the scene at the start of the game without moving: Stock A500: 3.77 ACA1221lc (via ACA500+): 1.52 ACA500@14MHz: 6.72 ACA500+@42MHz: 6.22 Please note that both ACA500 configurations do in fact accelerate the game just as they are supposed to do. It's just the readings that go bonkers. If I disable the fast ram on the ACA500+, so that the cpu still runs @ 42 Mhz but the game runs from chip/slow ram, the acceleration is almost nil (as expected), but the readings are back to normal with something around 3.63.

[@wairnair]

Just wow. can't wait to try this on CD32+TF330. Does it run from Workbench or maybe is there a whdload for this?

[@SorrettuKansa]

Does this work with 68040? At least on my A3000 with GVP T-rex turbo graphics are garbled if cpu caches are on and it also freezes instantly when you start the game. With cpu caches disabled the graphics are working, but the game freezes before I can get to the first door.

[@valenrn8657]

I reached the end of the demo with A1200 and TF1260.

[@tanteedelgard1921]

I wish it could be 1993 again. With this game Amiga's downfall would be less painful.

[@RetroRecipes]

So cool!

[@gelzamangitzaman1482]

There should be an episode for this in my opinion.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

It's happening!! Now I have something to look forward to after work today!

[@marcelopires711]

Very nice sprite work and animations. Enjoyable results with very little hardware resources.

[@tahustvedt]

Outstanding! The demo ran well on my A500+ with a Terriblefire 536 Accelerator (50 MHz 030). The number in the top left hovers around 1,35-1,52 so I guess that means it's rendering a framerate of around 35 fps.

[@JiuTiup]

Rozwaliłeś system :) Mam nadzieję, że kiedyś udostępnisz kod źródłowy tej perełki. Może kiedyś ktoś się pokusi o zrobienie portu Wolfensteina na Twoim silniku na Amigę 500 ? Do tej pory porty Wolfenstensteina na Amigę były raczej mało wydajne. Planujecie też port na DOS ? Ciekawe czy gra poszłaby np na 286 :)

[@chrisearl2217]

This is silky smooth on my 030, got to bust the stock 500 out and give that a go! maybe a little higher mouse sensitivity is needed for me with my doggy elbows for extended play if there is ever a full game ... fingers crossed lol

[@NightLateRambler]

Amazing, imagine when this was release back in the days, then the rest of the world would also still use Amiga's ;-)

[@disasterincarnate]

and they woudl still die because commodore would still be stupid.

[@desiv1170]

Time travel is dangerous. You could make unintended changes that would destroy all life as we know it... And there is never a valid reason to travel back in time... At least, there wasn't before this....

[@nekononiaow]

More than the technological feat that you guys are accomplishing I am impressed by the method that you guys clearly have regarding the development of the game. You seem to have an attention to details in terms of art, gameplay and design, something which is critical to releasing a great game instead of just a great tech demo (remember Shadow of The Beast? 😉). Wishing you the best in this adventure!

[@YesterchipsMIG]

Just a GREAT Job! I made myself a real Floppy Disk for DREAD and played it on my A500. If we only had this game 30 years ago ;)

[@ironmaiden5658]

This is so awesome to see. I'll be trying your demo on my A1200. Thank you.

[@xxnoxx-xp5bl]

This is amazing. It says so much about both Doom and the Amiga 500 that after all these years fans are still trying to recreate the Doom experience on Commodore's machine. Just makes me wish that Commodore could have got it's shit together and upgraded it's hardware sooner.

[@PixelShade]

It does... Doom was incredible. The ULTIMATE "killer app" for PC. Revolutionary, fun, addictive. As I kid I always thought that Doom was what killed off the Amiga and Commodore... In later years I know better, but I still feel like it was a pretty decent assumption by my younger self. I always loved the Amiga, how games sounded, ran smooth (2D games) had amazing colors (a lot of PCs had CGA, EGA, with no audio card utilizing the PC Speaker). But yeah, VGA, 486 DX2 66MHz together with Doom, that was something else. I guess helping out with this project helps me to heal some of those childhood wounds when the PC became the dominant platform. :)

[@xxnoxx-xp5bl]

@@PixelShade Yeah totally. That's ironically how I got my Amiga - my dad's mate selling it for a PC to play Doom on!

[@KasperSOlesen]

For some reason the game has no sound on my Amiga 1200 using an Apollo 1260 expansion card. It also needs to have CPU cache disabled, but without the expansion card and with my ACA1221 the sound does work, when CPU cache is disabled.

[@fedaijin]

Amazing work - tested on emulator but I'll test it on my Amiga 500 as soon as I change my floppy (as it's broken atm) :) I wonder if you could squish some music in there ; ) Knowing your possibilities, it's doable ; ) Also it doesn't load so long in my opinion ; )

[@Bl3atingM3at]

Ever since the last episode, I'd been wondering how Dread would turn out on the Atari ST. It looks and runs even better than I imagined. I still think it's better on the Amiga, though.

[@KKAltair]

Dread has noticeably higher framerate on Amiga than on ST/STe and I couldn't find any optimizations on the ST side to compensate for that. Since then, I have learned a few tricks, so it might improve a bit, but I wouldn't count on closing the gap. Sorry, I did my best. :)

[@TheJeremyHolloway]

@@KKAltair you must be pushing the Amiga's custom chips hard to get it to run faster than the stock ST since if the 68000 was doing most of the heavy lifting - like say the x86 original versions of DOOM or other 3Dish games from back in the day on the ST and Amiga - then the ST should run faster due to the higher clock speed of its 68k. It does look great on both platforms. I'm very interested to see what the enhancements for the STe will look and sound like... JagPad support perhaps?

[@Bl3atingM3at]

@@KKAltair Don't worry, I wasn't expecting the ST to run as well as the Amiga considering the Amiga is a much more powerful machine

[@RetroDawn]

@@TheJeremyHolloway Do not forget that the interleaved bitplanes of the ST are normally faster for 3D graphics, as well, as they are partway to chunky pixels. Dread uses the Blitter and sprites on the Amiga, though. I would love to see an analysis video of the rendering and of the port.

[@ldd6098]

Thats damn impressive. Did you think about a Sega Mega Drive / Genesis port ?

[@johntsakiris3717]

Yup, MegaDrive is a platform we do look forward to port Dread to. ;)

[@trahytetrahyte1074]

With your skills, if this game works so well on the A500, then on A1200 with a regular processor you will probably get a quake clone, am I right :D ?

[@holocube9280]

I had been waiting for this moment for almost 25 years! Amazing! 😭

[@roartjrhom4932]

Sorry if I have asked before. But will there be a boxed version of this stunning game when its finished?🙃😄

[@PixelShade]

The only thing I know is that I will definitely want to do the boxart. :) We are far away from that though. this was the "engine demo". The engine will improve and once we deem it to have most features we will start to revamp the game. We still need to treat it as a free-time project, but we are on track of creating something with an updated, consistent and unique art direction, new palettes, new/impressive graphics more map features etc. So really we are not close to game release yet. but we will reach that point. Once we do, we would really like to offer boxed version (I think I speak for all of us on this)

[@roartjrhom4932]

@@PixelShadetotally understandable. And please take your time of course, you really struck gold with this one. Thank you so much for keeping the Amiga alive. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@xxfangor]

This is so amazing to play on the real hardware. I was just playing this demo on all difficulties for 2hrs. Just playing again and again, i am so amazed. Gameplay is really smooth and lots of fun. Keep up the good work!

[@300BaudStudios]

And we were told that Doom was impossible on the Amiga due to it's bitplanar graphics.

[@SylkaChan]

Are you ever going to add flat textures and all the weapons that were in freedoom? Why do you want to make this for "Amiga 500" if there are other 'Amigas' to choose from? I actually really like the sprites in this so far.

[@johntsakiris3717]

>Are you ever going to add flat textures? Flat textures? We can straight color a wall or floor/ceiling any single color we want already (from our palette). > Are you ever going to add all the weapons that were in freedoom? No, we're gonna make new, original weapon gfx for the full game. >Why do you want to make this for "Amiga 500" if there are other 'Amigas' to choose from? Because Amiga 500 doesn't have any good first person shooter like that so far. Plenty good choices if you've got accelerators e.t.c. Also because it's fun ;)

[@SylkaChan]

@@johntsakiris3717 But your remaking stuff from freedoom. I was really looking forward to somebody remaking all the freedoom sprites, because they could have looked a lot better (like the ones in this video). I think you should raise the shell capacity though, either to 75 or a 100.

[@krazproductions]

Wow!!! This looks awesome!!! Reminds me of Doom and Blood for DOS

[@coolvideos8864]

Runs great on Amiga 1200 with 030 Accelerator at 50Mhz

[@loganjorgensen]

Lol, once you go Flash, disk/CD loading seems very slow. ^_^ The horizontal resolution you implemented has payed off very well, things remain quite visible even at a distance. Given me some insight into how vintage HMDs could have worked better, been looking into 80s/90s 3D & VR tech lately. ;) You should all be very proud for how well you collaborated together, so often I see individuals settling for a lot less trying to go at it alone. :D

[@TonimanGalvez]

Great job, I am playing and I enjoying a lot. I am wondering if we are going to have staircases in the game. Waiting for In-game music as well.

[@zuno555]

Here from 005 Agima. Great job, amazing coding. Cheers!

[@Cobradabest]

Hey, will this demo work on an Amiga CD32?

[@leon111333]

Wow! Really impressive! Too bad we couldn't do this back in 1993! ;-)

[@gelzamangitzaman1482]

İf only we had this in 93 :( great work though.

[@brightquark]

Wow, Just Wow... This is why I still follow Amiga. Still trying to figure out how you crammed a 486 in there.

[@rafniedz2354]

A.M.A.Z.I.N.G! I've never supposed I will experience such a great stuff on A500!

[@Walrusbonzo]

Looks awesome. Mind blown how well it runs on stock hardware. Well done

[@DanielIvanovDecsev]

I have to admit, i was very sceptic when first tweets appeared about this project. Congratulations guys, you did something really awesome !

[@Anaki_Rob]

Simply amazing, this puts every other Amiga FPS to shame.

[@clffreak]

Absolutnie fantastyczne!

[@seamusoblainn]

This is an absolutely amazing achievement 👏 🤩☝️

[@ridiculous_gaming]

Running the original Doom via DOS on a 25 MHz 486 was quite poor, so I upgraded to a 486 DX2 50 to make the game playable in 1994. Here, you have made this game playable on a 16 bit, 7.2 MHz Amiga and 8 MHz Atari ST? Simply unbelievable.

[@youtubesuresuckscock]

This game doesn't have varying floor heights, the color palette is much smaller, the textures smaller and less detailed. It's closer to Wolfenstein 3D than Doom. Stop bull crapping.

[@valenrn8657]

486SX25 needs a fast SVGA card such as Tseng Labs ET4000 that cost about $129 USD in H2 1993.

[@valenrn8657]

@@youtubesuresuckscock Dread is closer to SNES's Doom port which has missing floor and ceiling textures.

[@TeiTenga]

@@youtubesuresuckscock Varying floor heights will be implemented, so it will technically be a hybrid of Wolf and Doom on a mere 68000. Which is about the max you can reach. In demoscene productions, they can have fully 3D textured worlds - But those aren't games. Color palette is easily explained by the fact that we are talking OCS/ECS here, and not VGA. The same goes for textures (Which have been greatly improved thanks to Pixelglass) Somehow you expect a vis-a-vis equivalent of the PC code and cannot understand the ''why'' part on why this is impressive. So far (judging by your other postings here) the only person bull crapping here is you. On a technical level, this is a crowning achievement. The fact that you have yet to answer users who implore to start your own engine suggests a limited understanding of what is going on here.

[@ridiculous_gaming]

@@valenrn8657 The SNES has mode 7, which is basically hardware pixel scaling; something the Amiga has to do via software. Still, this is super sweet using the OCS chipset.

[@OptimusMonk01]

Are you going to reveal the secret of how you can do this so fast?

[@paulorito2303]

MIND = BLOWN ! Really really impressive !!!§§

[@RAVE_GHETTO_BLASTER]

I belive someday we've seen a Sega Genesis/MegaDrive port of Dread. Atari ST can handle Dread. I think Genesis does too. :) Thanks KK/Altair!

[@KKAltair]

That would be cool!

[@RAVE_GHETTO_BLASTER]

@@KKAltair @GASEGA68K - is guy who ported Wolf3D on Genesis. I think he can make a good port of Dread. Or someone else. I belive genesis can handle Dread. :)

[@KKAltair]

@@RAVE_GHETTO_BLASTER I believe so, too. I'll definitely be taking a shot at it at one point. :)

[@dyscotopia]

And Neo Geo! Optimized it would leave the A1200 in the dust. 😂

[@RAVE_GHETTO_BLASTER]

@@KKAltair Many Thanks, Altair! Dread rulez :)

[@tj71520]

If only this was released in the early to mid 90s. But amazing work for sure.

[@per-olaeriksson2589]

Can you playthrough it on Nightmare ? :)

[@dmitriivanov7143]

Amazing work! Does the A1200 it was tested on have any fast RAM, or only chip RAM?

[@johntsakiris3717]

Yes it's tested with fast. You'd see a good amount of extra speed with it. ;)

[@PixelShade]

​@@johntsakiris3717 it's actually not. it's stock. 2MB of Chip RAM only. I pulled out the accelerator along with the fast RAM. With fast RAM I have a frame rate of ~30fps. the VBLANK is pretty stable at around 1,6-1.95

[@johntsakiris3717]

@@PixelShade Ah, correct he talks about your 1200. I thought he was asking if it's generally tested with fast (which it does at least on my side) ;)

[@thesystemera]

Huge fan of this BTW man! Some amazing hitting the hardware!

[@KKAltair]

Thanks a ton!

[@thesystemera]

@@KKAltair it's like 3.00am here in NZ but will definitely jump in. Amiga 500 and Imagine basically got me hooked. Like nine years old in 91 or something. Still got my original. It definitely needs some superwhite 😎

[@georgeluyckx1437]

Lots of potential for more games with such an engine. Maybe someone could recreate Wing Commander with this 😄.

[@0xABADCAFE]

Even having watched every video so far, seeing it run on the real thing is just amazing.

[@bennykanz1a466]

Great guys... You really put the old hardware to the maximum

[@Ryanfox1981]

Now imagine if this was presented to the lot at Commodore and included as a pack in game for the A500/600 etc lol. Is music possible on the A500?

[@johntsakiris3717]

Yes! It's planned to be added at some point.

[@V3ntilator]

Impressive on A500. Randy Linden made Doom for SNES which shouldn't be possible either.

[@PixelShade]

Doom on snes uses the SuperFX2 chip though. :) I don't want to undermine the efforts of Randy Linden, but it's basically like using an accelerator to do the task. :)

[@CipherDiaz]

I once said this would be impossible. I stand corrected. You are awesome! How the heck did you do this??