Dream Lord and The Corinthian - The Sandman Season 1

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[@msc2479]

What I like about Dream's entire concept & character is that his punishments is worst than death itself. Taking away dreams forever or giving eternal nightmares or forbidding them from sleeping..every single one is enough to drive a person to madness. Punishments that only he could give. Love it.

[@sainttan]

the only thing I hate about Dream is that he sometimes punishes people who don't deserve it. His former Nada lover was sent to hell, it took him to reflect on himself to actually free her.

[@eotwkdp]

@@sainttanto be fair he isn’t exactly human but also yet he is somewhat. He’s a being of sort who needs to learn differently.

[@korsekil]

Especially if you consider what he says here - not "until you die", but "until the end of time". Meaning they will very well be carrying this all the way to damnation and beyond.

[@echoesofwar]

His judgment for them to feel all the guilt and pain to THE END OF TIME. Not even the end of life. So even after dying, if time continues to have meaning for the dead, they will continue to feel it

[@sameoldsatellite]

Really subtle but you can just hear the Corinthian speaks in three voices, his mouth and his mouth eyes.

[@jaycewxsted]

didn't even realize it before

[@JMS-2111]

I love the punishment he deals out to the psychos. Not a moments rest for your cruelty and evil deeds, and even the little lies to themselves "I'm justified in doing this." taken away and exposed as filthy little lies. I love it. He doesn't slaughter them, or ask his siblings to torment them, but takes their dreams and makes them their hell. Perfection.

[@florians9949]

Dream prety much did the equivalent of a penance stare on steroid.

[@fanghur]

Are they even meaningfully the same people who committed the murders after this though?

[@JMS-2111]

@@fanghur They are. They just loose the ability to lie to themselves. What they did, how much they enjoyed their actions, that's still them.

[@JMS-2111]

@@fanghur Probably not. But that's the point, they were turned from predators to pray. The people they were are the predator tormenting them now, making them the eternal target of themselves.

[@fanghur]

@@JMS-2111I just find the idea of punishing a psychopath by effectively granting them empathy and compassion to be very morally dubious. Their lack of those things (through absolutely no fault of their own) was the very reason they acted as they did in the first place. Granting them empathy as a means to reforming them and allowing them to become better people is one thing, but doing it purely to psychologically torture them is in my opinion just as immoral as they used to be.

[@brokenhammerforge]

It's a great scene. How many people in real life see themselves as victims when in fact they are the abusers?

[@foolslayer9416]

Too many.

[@baconboye]

Most

[@zitronentee]

Extremely a lot

[@peteralexandergraae2830]

One does not rule out the other.

[@macbuff81]

I've been both and it has been tearing me apart for years now

[@sifilore9462]

The way in how Dream deals with the collectors, remaining clam, centered, no epic battles, but bestowing a conscience on them all. Literally feeling the pain of their victims with that of their loved ones, not just knowing but *TRULY* knowing that their evilness could not go away unpunished, with finally being able to feel bad about it they never did before. Dream truly is a bad ass god. Corinthian original purpose was to make humanity afraid of their inner evilness so they don't become it, thereby lessening serial killers, perverts, terrorists etc. in the world. He'll b back but better in staying true to that design.

[@luiousy7329]

Guy is Outerversal and can send them to their worst nightmares for all eternity without blinking, they got off easy or they might be gifted as lucifer’s playthings

[@JoshSweetvale]

Hope beat Lucifer. Compassion beat the many.

[@eotwkdp]

@@luiousy7329grief is very strong and creative Nightmares are simple and easy to

[@karinwolf3645]

The punishment is just what I always hoped people like that would get! He took away their self delusion and made them see exactly who and what they are!! No more fooling themselves into thinking what they were doing was good. And not being able to forget it for a moment. 😱😱😱💀💀💀

[@DJGOGSTOWN]

The sad thing is. Those desires of Corinthian aren’t all his own. Desires was the puppeteer, they pulled the strings for so long.

[@luiousy7329]

Yeah pretty sure desires corrupted Corinthian, he is just a puppet for them

[@sancho4975]

I'm pretty sure Corinthian is the best design in DC history, he's like a mythology creature, like Medusa, a character that with simplicity can transcend generations with his appearance only

[@foolslayer9416]

1:53 Oh, if only this will was possible against psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists. The power to make them feel accountable for the wrongs they've done, to make them feel all the pain and loss they've brought upon others. That they will never be able to rid themselves of the guilt they should feel.

[@ionutmartin5565]

We call that Hell

[@disavowalf3351]

Okay, I’m convinced. I first read the Sandman when I was in college (‘91) and it has remained my favourite comic book series ever since, with the single notable exception of Lenore the Cute Little Dead Girl! I was convinced no adaptation could ever do it justice but this breathtaking…I am so sold on it!

[@scream2672]

this adaptation is GARBAGE

[@ryanhernandez5632]

His curse is marvelous. For these killers and rapists, the actions had been justified by there own delusions. And fantasies. It made them feel special if not justified in their lives. But fantasies are born from dreams, and lies only work on yourselves if you can imagine a reality in which its truth. Now they live in a world of reality. No more dreams, filled with lies and fantasy. Just cold truth and they have to live knowing how monsterous they became

[@Javert2012]

1:11 He has tears in his eyes/teeth because he knows his days as the Corinthian (devil-may-care, carefree) are over

[@Snowmask23]

Man, this show is incredible. Can't wait for Season 2.

[@kuroyami87]

I need Dream to judge all of murderer on this earth😢

[@isaiahcaston4539]

some murders are justified, these murders are different. They're selfish, not self-preserving

[@racheldisk4812]

This reminds me of that Doctor Who episode: The Family of Blood. Where it turned out at the end that he avoided the family because he was being kind and at the end, he granted their wish for immortality in horrible ways but as the brother said: "He never raised his voice. That was the worst part." Morpheus gave them a horrible punishment for their choices but it was all done calmly. Just them living the life they had until now but it's no longer a dream. How dare they even call their deeds a dream? It's the ugly reality of who they actually are and what they did and now without the ability to hide behind the facade that it's what they dream of, they face it.

[@ladyfoxwf1075]

YES doctor who and the sandman? You are based af

[@racheldisk4812]

@@ladyfoxwf1075 Is it a good thing or a bad thing?

[@ladyfoxwf1075]

@@racheldisk4812 A very very good thing

[@neemz0117]

The part when the doctor traps the girl in the mirror but still visits her because shes the only one that he really pities... hell yea. Shits hard.

[@helenivanic1628]

Dream: tonight when she sleeps, I will find her. That's so creepy that he can actually do that. Me: I'll never wanna sleep again.

[@Degamer422]

And yet we sing a song every Christmas that goes “he sees you and me you’re sleeping and he knows when you’re awake”

[@dlowmighty9283]

How did these 2 not get awards the acting is next level

[@brunolapointe66]

Their punishment is even worse since we know now that Hell is real in this universe. Every and each one of them is going there, sooner or later. Much sooner, actually, I'm pretty sure.

[@clarkkentwithglasses4759]

For those that believe it to be real..

[@juanmanuelmoramontes3883]

​@@clarkkentwithglasses4759Idk if that's how that works when it comes to punishment.

[@clarkkentwithglasses4759]

@@juanmanuelmoramontes3883 it is how it works.If you don't believe in hell. They simply seize to exist from what i gather.I mean, that's anti life.

[@Chevalier_knight]

In sandman it is yes you dont go to hell or heaven unless you believe in them .

[@grahampearson161]

​@@juanmanuelmoramontes3883it's stated in Sandman and also the spin off Lucifer comic that the inhabitants of hell are essentially only there because of their belief that they deserve punishment. If they were able to actually forgive themselves they would no longer be there.

[@MrWadewynn]

If they miscasted the show, it would be dogshit, but man did they nail it.

[@Chevalier_knight]

Death was a massive miscast

[@MrWadewynn]

@@Chevalier_knight I would say since the show didn’t focus on death, It wasn’t overtly noticeable to me, but it was a miscast visually

[@Chevalier_knight]

@@MrWadewynn it had an entire episode about her

[@MrWadewynn]

@@Chevalier_knight i felt it was more of a segway into that story about the friendship between Dream and the immortal man. But if it bothered you that much, yeah I can see her presence being potentially perturbing during the first 2/3rds of that episode. It didn’t bother me, but it can definitely be seen as a major miscast that would bother many. i enjoyed the casting for lots of characters so it sort of slipped past me

[@ofrund]

​@@Chevalier_knightWhat? No. She perfectly captured the caring older sister feeling of Death.

[@FallenOne669]

If I could have the powers of any one of the Endless, Dream would be at the top of my list. The ability to give people a broader perspective and allow them to empathize with others would solve so many problems in the world.

[@sgtmike5060]

I had my doubts so I watched the first season and now I cannot wait for the second

[@ariapasya4824]

I thought that’s Ryan Gosling

[@Remoniq]

I read the comic but seeing it like this make it all diffrent.

[@nicholasbolton5626]

Why does dream look so much like Lucien castle from the originals

[@sionyn]

Boyd Holbrook’s performance was one of the best I’ve ever seen.

[@gelinrefira]

The human experience is overrated.

[@So-Be-It_85949]

The Corinthian

[@Morfe02]

Corithian is the best casting for Lucifer and they waste him 😂

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

😮

[@surfer1927]

Poetic

[@Wizard_Sony]

This is what reminds when You lose the respect of your friends

[@nowhere5193]

Why he look so much like my husband Nanami

[@arthursouza9641]

Because Cornthian came first. Your mean: Why nanami look like him ?

[@nowhere5193]

@@arthursouza9641 nah? he dont even look like one from comic of Neil Gaiman

[@Starrypaws64]

@@nowhere5193 that's literally how the corinthian in the comics looks like...

[@Dreamwalker007-g-hg]

Jujutsu kaisen was a mix of harrry pottter, man in black & the sandman

[@modusponen1447]

How'd they find an actor with such a small mouth?

[@sammarshall7697]

Ask keano reeves I'd say cast away

[@mithamyth]

Robert Pattinson will be great for dream role

[@jcfra420]

I loved this show for the first 5 episodes, then just lost interest. It went off the rails.

[@arthursouza9641]

Episodes 6 and 11 were amazing, dude.

[@jcfra420]

@@arthursouza9641 that is your opinion, personally I found them boring, and basically making dream a side character in his own series. Like I said, after episode 5 it went downhill in my opinion.

[@arthursouza9641]

@@jcfra420 Like the comics, dumb. In various sandman stories, Sandman / dream is a side character, inclusive in the arcs adapted in first season. The show it´s only faithful.

[@jcfra420]

@@arthursouza9641 Aww is little Arthur triggered? Sorry I interacted with you once in good faith, but anyone that cannot make a counterpoint without insulting like a little child is someone I do not take seriously. Thanks for playing though.

[@books2438]

@@jcfra420In the comics, Dream is only the main character like half the time

[@BlackSkyZ2]

They should have done an anime or animated series, real characters is just way too cringe and off putting. Definitely when it's woke to boot.

[@adamriggs2698]

You’re criticizing Neil Gaiman for being woke? Have you READ a Neil Gaiman comic? Dude had trans protagonists in the 90s. I’m sure he won’t care if bigoted idiots like you get butthurt about his show. Talk about cringe, you are the embodiment of the word.

[@geeman.8081]

Sandman has always been woke dude.

[@GhostlyPB_Pug]

@@geeman.8081tbh, Neil Gaiman made Sandman. So if people are shocked it’s “woke”, I don’t know what else to tell them.

[@thomasmartin7524]

sandman was ever woke. Do you really not knowing this? 😂

[@BlackSkyZ2]

@@geeman.8081 well it’s woke on steroids here. Every white straight character is race and sexuality swapped. Feels super shallow and racist

[@doriancoreyscloset421]

Um Jeffrey Dahmer here wasnt punished enough. The things he did to men and thats all he gets? Art imitating life, i guess....

[@CMOT101]

Talk about missing the point

[@doriancoreyscloset421]

@CMOT101 enlighten me then. What was being conveyed by depicting a corporeal entity activly stalking and killing gay men of color over the course of decades unchecked and unpunished, only to eventually be erased while the damage he's done is irreparable. Explain

[@doriancoreyscloset421]

@CMOT101 enlighten me then. What was being conveyed depicting a corporeal entity that harmed men of color over the course of decades who's only punishment was to be erased and eventually remade while the damage he's done receives no justice and is irrevocable. Explain

[@doriancoreyscloset421]

@CMOT101 enlighten me then instead of leaving pretentious passive aggressive responses that don't explain what you assert.

[@sheldonmustdie2]

1:53 fare judgement