'A Hope in Hell' Fight Scene | The Sandman

#TheSandman #Fight #FightScene
Based on the beloved award-winning DC comic series written by Neil Gaiman (American Gods, Coraline), THE SANDMAN is a rich, character-driven blend of myth and dark fantasy woven together over the course of ten epic chapters following Dream’s many adventures (plus a bonus episode featuring two fan-favorite stories). When THE SANDMAN, a.k.a. Dream (Tom Sturridge, Sweetbitter, Velvet Buzzsaw) - the powerful cosmic being who controls all our dreams - is unexpectedly captured and held prisoner for over a century, he must journey across different worlds and timelines to fix the chaos his absence has caused.
Developed and executive produced by Gaiman, showrunner Allan Heinberg (Wonder Woman, Grey’s Anatomy), and David S. Goyer (The Dark Knight trilogy, Man of Steel), THE SANDMAN is produced by Warner Bros. Television. The series also stars Boyd Holbrook (Narcos, In the Shadow of the Moon), Patton Oswalt (The Goldbergs, A.P. Bio), Vivienne Acheampong (The Witches).

[@hamza7033]

"What kills hope?" "Iam a minimum wage job, hope crushing, debt unfulfilling.

[@pauldon5341]

😂

[@jbradley339]

Hilarious 😂

[@solomonrorellien8634]

“Soul crushing, happiness killing, never ending”

[@jishnusagar4340]

It's lit bro😂

[@kuja5809]

Damn

[@mezmerized4lifejay654]

One of the coolest battles I’ve ever seen between deities. How else would they fight but on an unimaginable scale in the metaphysical and physical etc

[@ElSenorCarnicero]

U should see the Jibril fight in the library in no game no life

[@fishingstix610]

Wtf? You gotta be kidding this is the gayest shit ever

[@80sMoviesRule1]

Technically not deities… but still cool. If I remember correctly the comic was way different.

[@Brosky305]

It's a turn based rpg😂

[@captaincoffeecake3595]

Book battle was WAY better , worth checking out .

[@SeanWashPhoto]

Many viewers in the comments missed the major point as to why Lucifer cannot kill hope. That is because Lucifer themself HOPE to get out of hell. If they kill hope, then they kill their DREAM of getting out of hell. It's the perfect counter to anything Lucifer could throw at Dream because it would be a massive self-inflicted wound.

[@TheCursedCat1927]

There's another reason as well. In the DC Comics - which The Sandman is a part of - Lucifer is also described as the Lightbringer, which is another way to say "the bringer of hope." Lucifer can't kill hope because they were meant to bring it to all living beings - hope is just a part of their primordial nature. So Lucifer would not only have to destory their own dreams, but also a part of themself.

[@TheRaydiation]

it's not just a battle of concepts that kill each other its a battle of wits and one angle is making them use a concept they are opposed to that whittles down their resolve and thus quit the game thus losing.

[@DevilMan88]

"The curtain was blue because he was depressed." Neil Gaiman was simply saying that nothing can defeat hope. In the comic Lucifer wasn't even who Dream battled in He'll.

[@TheKueiJin]

​@@DevilMan88check the credits of the series. Check who wrote it.

[@michellepreston9799]

​@@TheCursedCat1927reminds me of that tune Lucifer son of the morning I'm gonna chase your dreams away.

[@carla.n.5078]

I love how their fight is a literal fight using concepts. Especially Dream using concepts to fight concepts when he himself is a concept.

[@TheRaydiation]

But remember they also said its a game of wit so angling Lucifer to become the exact opposite of hope shakes their very foundation and hurts their resolve and their purpose of getting out of hell.

[@no-vt2tz]

"I am a universe, all things encompassing, all life embracing" that line hits me every time

[@luiousy7329]

And then Lucifer just casually pulls out the thing Darkseid built his entire existence seeking for 😂

[@raistlin3462]

Well, Darkseid is nowhere close to Lucifer's level.

[@Kaisforeignadventures]

I am....student loan debt. Money consuming, poverty inducing, dream crushing.....

[@TheKueiJin]

And there shall always be hope. Hope that your account does not veer in the red. Hope that your job offers you a raise to prosper. Hope that your life has a meaningful course. Hope that everything ends as cleanly as possible.

[@Kaisforeignadventures]

@@TheKueiJin very true!

[@othellorucker8107]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@shanemitchell477]

Then you should have went into a trade like plumbing, electrician, heating and cooling. Myself I was the explosives engineer in an underground mine making 140000 a year 13 years ago, and 90000 the 10 years before that. I qualified on every job they had and could run any machine. I only had 2 years of college.

[@Kaisforeignadventures]

@@shanemitchell477 You really can't take a joke can you? I don't have student loan debt.

[@rask004]

What power does Hell have over the damned, if they cannot dream of Heaven? One of the best Wham lines that doubles as a subtle The Reason You Suck

[@VisualEnjoyer9756]

God I loved this line so much because it's so true. How can you make someone suffer if you don't hold out the dream (and therefore HOPE) of something better over them?

[@desertsniper23]

Dead Boy Detectives actually has a character that perfectly encompasses why this works because you can actually earn your way out of Hell

[@JaviusSama]

Absolutely butchered in the show.

[@martinneiverth8401]

The Ruler of Hell was it's first prisoner.

[@zerahmot1787]

This felt like two kids saying bigger and bigger numbers till one goes “infinity” and then the other goes “infinity +1”

[@DevilMan88]

No this game takes incredible imagination. The comic fleshed it out more.

[@archmaester6594]

They're basically gods. Sure they can one-up each other but they experience everything... when Lucifer said he was a nova, Dream literally felt a star exploding in his face....

[@ecchiRhino99]

What stop them from throwing whatever is anti-life at the beginning. Do dream would insta win if he said hope? I think its a stupid way of fighting unless you assume that there are tons of rules behind that are beyond human understanding.

[@milklover2830]

@@ecchiRhino99 hope wouldn't beat a direwolf

[@woodrobin]

Dream is Dream. He's not the god Morpheus, or the body he's walking around in. He is every dream of everyone everywhere, and all dreams are of him and from him. His library contains every book anyone has ever conceived of writing, but never completed. Even imagination and daydreams are his domain. What he's threatening to do to Lucifer if they don't back off is remove the ability of every fallen angel, *including* Lucifer, to dream of or imagine Heaven and their former glory. That's why Lucifer flinches away at Dream's threat. He's also threatening to remove the ability of the damned in Hell to dream of Heaven, which is to say they would not be able to conceive of anything better than the Hell they're in. If they can't imagine a better world, any torment is just the status quo. It removes most of their ability to torture the damned if they think they're in the best of all possible worlds.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Reminder: This series has some DC cosmology. Hope is an element of light. And Anti-life is the black void of all light.

[@theweedmastah2061]

Fun fact: As Lucifer is describing himself what he is. A wolf, A snake, a pestilence of life, a nova of cremation, the beast of judgement: anti - life darkness at the end of time.

[@jonedavila5954]

Quite the opposite, that last line by dream was actually Lucifer. The "light bringer" was meant to represent hope and for Lucifer to defeat hope would be for him to admit defeat. So she just refuses to continue playing all together.

[@Belthazar1113]

@@jonedavila5954 Give him his Helmet!

[@MegaAshfire]

I think it’s more like lucifer hopes to escape gods prison, so to accept that hope is beatable means to resign to his/her fate.

[@Yaratoma]

It works on many levels, it is also the plot of Overture tbh

[@zenmetsuzogo4005]

After the bacterium, I thought Dream would say “I am an antibiotic. All deleting of microorganisms.”

[@anxioussamurai9017]

"True hope is swift and flies with swallow wings. Of Kings it makes Gods and meaner creatures Kings." - Shakespeare.

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

I love how much in abject denial Lucifer is about their situation. They're constantly and rather childishly dealing in absolutes when they know the universe doesn't run on them.

[@misspurpleswan]

Dream's voice is my current obsession.. Tom sturridge is stunning!!

[@TekReacts]

Lucifers one shot at taking Heaven is Hope... Even Lucifer knew that there wasn't a trump card after that

[@oklafornia3643]

There was an answer to hope but Dream cornered Lucifer into being unable to say it. What beats hope is Judgement - hope crushing, freedom ending. Lucifer couldn't say that out loud because it would mean that God's judgement of Lucifer successfully crushed all of his hope at being loved again, so he conceded the battle rather than being forced to admit that.

[@Skeloric]

That last bit about Dream having no power in Hell. He concedes yet also threatens to withdraw the gift of dreams from Hell. Which would be utter disaster for Hell. Hope is the seed, and a dream is its fruit. That threat is how he leaves ... unharmed and unopposed.

[@toddsikes7292]

my favorite comment on hope comes from the comic fables. " never forget, hope fights for both sides."

[@akgonen60]

this is hands down the greatest fight scene i ever scene between too god it was soo clever and interesting it was like a battle of the minds i rewinded it twice to watch it ... that HOPE LIne that DREAM therew at her in the end was BEYOND EPIC and when lucifer decided for him not to leavae and the DREAM saying "WHAT kind of POWER would hell even have if no won can dream heaven ? wow what a line ....that got me speechless such a awesome scene mad props to the writers

[@BC-vg3zf]

Yes and Lucifer would lose any hope of over throwing god ……or dream of it

[@AsisSamsuhang]

you know if dream removes everybody of the dream and hope we would all be straight going to hell and lucifer would have to fight everybody to stay as ruler of hell. that's why Dreams threat was surreal to lucifer.

[@inthedeadhours]

This is one of those games of rock paper scissors that gets out of hand after some asshole calls lava.

[@tonykunz5982]

This scene was mind blowing with the scale of how quickly they escalated it to best the other. Dream certainly knew he would most likely barely escape with his life, if he didn’t lead Satan on to stick with the focus of ‘force’ as their move, before jumping to the theoretical meaning of existence. Well played

[@EmperorMatticusII]

I am a HUMAN. Full of hope, blessed with courage. No fear to be found, all faith to be had. AND I, WILL, NOT, FAIL.

[@Literarydilettante]

Forget everything else. This show had the best representation of a male friendship ever.

[@JaritzaFlores94]

The Sandman is my favorite hyperfixation! Dream is one of my favorites in the comic series!

[@Ravenishish]

Destruction, though you don't see much of him, is my favourite

[@JaritzaFlores94]

@@Ravenishish Cool choice!

[@Ravenishish]

Oh, also, if The Sandman is a hyperfixation, you might want to check out the game/visual novel Harmony: The Fall of Reverie. Heavy Sandman vibes.

[@JaritzaFlores94]

@@Ravenishish Ok, I'll check it out!

[@phantomstar1248]

“Well Lightbringer, it’s your move, what is it that kills hope?” She can’t say the answer because if she becomes reality, then she loses that small hope that one day she could return to heaven.

[@Animuse883]

I don't get this take. If Lucifer says reality, then Lucifer becomes one with creation, is what I would take away from it. And since lucifer is the very symbol of separation from reality (the father of lies) Lucifer would quite litterally sieze to exist and return to (become one with) God. That's why Lucifer won't say it. Not because Lucifer hopes to return to heaven. Lucifer doesn't want to. Lucifer would rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.

[@phantomstar1248]

@@Animuse883 that’s a interesting take, the reason I still believe reality is the correct answer is the face she made when Morpheus brought up what if nobody could dream about heaven? I think that version of Lucifer, despite knowing what they did, still often dreams about being up in heaven again, maybe not as a servant of God but just being there. When somebody is in jail, even if they run the jail, they will often think about home. If she became reality, that would shatter all the hope she has of returning to heaven, and even for the Devil, that’s the one thing that she has left, the only thing. That’s at least how I look at it, and I see it as something truly special. The way the battle was fought and the way the battle was won. Morpheus, went with the universe and She went with the death with the universe, only thing would to be the concept of hope. ((It’s just my opinion, I watched that fight quite a few times and that’s all I got from it. Not trying to change your mind or saying your view is wrong.))

[@isaac15752]

@@Animuse883no, if lucifer says reality, then he is bound to hell, cus that is his current reality

[@Animuse883]

@@isaac15752 He is bound to hell. That is his current reality. I don't think reality really kills hope in the first place. Hope might not necessarily be at odds with it.

[@12334ttqtqt]

For even the devil still dreams of Heaven... Can't hope.

[@scottydawg1234567]

[Devil Went Down to Georgia plays in the distance]

[@ohajurudillion]

Hope is sometimes just a consolation we offer ourselves

[@mathiasamoasi989]

Best battle in any movie

[@akki942200]

I wish I wrote this scene. So beautifully poetic and perfect! ❤ Kudos to the writer who wrote this scene ❤

[@TheFilipeAraujo]

Kudos to Neil Gaiman. Is almost 1:1 from the comics.

[@leoh1191]

I actually preferred the graphic novel version...Dream is surrounded by the angry minions of hell. He utters the line about dreams in hell.. And the crowd immediately backs away and allows him safe passage

[@kingegenisuobai4300]

This is just brilliant ❤

[@samiadjifalahanifranggagan449]

feels like toddlers fighting, shouting out characters.

[@calgaryhockey6991]

Dream: “I am Lucifer, king of hell”. Lucifer: “Yeah, I’ll give you this one…”

[@Inna.Eroshina]

Love it! ❤️

[@thomasallen7799]

A nice reference to Superman and Darkseid.

[@andrewpjjuuko1737]

One of the best battle of deities I've encountered since Susan Cooper's 'The Dark is Rising' novel.

[@jpy6296]

Gaiman's a genius. Even the choice of moves are in sync with the entity...lucifer choosing rabidness/ aggression (wolf), venom (serpent), decay (bacterium), destruction (nova) and nothingness vs. Dream's nobility (huntsman), glory (eagle), nurture/ nature (world), eternity (universe) and ultimately...hope. ❤❤❤

[@theone5022]

He should of said “I am God, all perfection and fullness of life” 😂

[@carlosbukros9620]

even in the darkest days of our lives we still hope for tomorrow why you think is that

[@azziedan3031]

People see a great movie scene here but as for me I see something much more deeper and subliminal. They both use the power of “I AM” and as shown here in the scene. So anything they say after saying “I AM” they become it. Is t that true for the spiritual too because whatever we cast out in the universe same is sure to manifest itself in this realm as reality. I am aware that most won’t see what I’m saying and probably make fun of what I say or even say I’m looking too deep but idc. What we know as reality is only a fabricated narrative intentionally created to make us docile and stop us from evolving understanding who we are.

[@squee-el168]

Love the DC connection by dropping that Anti Life

[@kkav4586]

I love that to escape bacteria, Dream seems to understand Lucifer's stradegy. And decides to become something bigger. Something you can't turn ill or kill. But what you can destroy- he is just seeing if Lucifer would be willing to do it. And Lucifer is. But at the end, when Dream says hope- something you can destroy or take away. But only if you youself don't believe in it or don't need it. To kill it is to say that the game has ended for both of them- that there is no hope for anyone. And Lucifer can't do that for himself.

[@samrubenabraham6979]

And I am Lord Vader, the undefeatable Sith Lord... The ultimate weilder of the Force, the terror of the Jedi...

[@Anon26535]

They wanted to do the Hellfire Club scene from the comic, but they didn't want to pay Squirrel Nut Zippers royalties for the only possible soundtrack for it.

[@spamuel98]

If this were released more recently, I'd be excited at maybe getting a season 2. Oh well, still an awesome scene.

[@Ezees23]

As a stand-in for hope, he could have said: "I am fuckit - b/c we're doin' it anyway"... LOL.....

[@RobertLedes]

When he says Hope, he’s referring to God. At the beginning of the episode, Dreams states to his crow that “saving only the Creator, Lucifer is perhaps the most powerful being there is” So in fact, the entire fight is a conceptualization in different shapes of what we have assimilate as good and evil. Since at last, it was Lucifer who lost the battle against God, Dream says hope because he knows God is Hope, which is also, the only entity that has won before against Lucifer. Lucifer knows that God/Hope cannot be killed, that’s why he stops fighting and gives Dream his helmet. Now you know.

[@archmaester6594]

Not really... in this game they experience everything the other said. Dream had to be strong enough to survive a nova exploding in his face. However, Lucifer experience hope perhaps for the first time in centuries... and he cannot get destroy that hope because its all he has to escaping Hell

[@opondecordelia8707]

You're wrong terribly wrong

[@egortasa240]

I am a failure, squashing all hope. - I am the dot at the end of the sentence. - I am the ignorance, that forgets the dot - I am the truth, that perserveres the ignorance - I am the observer, who missess the truth etc, etc, etc - then I am etc

[@danielanguiano4635]

1:54 I am The Anti-Life Equation

[@mycatzluvme2]

I like this show, I wish they would put more episodes on! It says that they are coming but it has said that for over a year now!!

[@shanecovey8680]

This looks pretty cool. Maybe I'll watch it some day.

[@kelvinbrancalhao652]

if he says depression, figth is over

[@Saul_Goodman_Criminal_Lawyer]

I'm wolverine, Jean Simping, third wheeling 5 feet 3 inches shorting

[@garcia207]

Sandman: “I am Chuck Norris.” Lucifer: “You win.”

[@jacquesmassard9226]

Some under rated use of dcu cosmology all over this series.

[@c342thedroid2]

It’s funny how Lucifer says Dream has no power when just a minute earlier he’s called light bringer, and yet there’s no light he can bring, give or perceive but that which Dream let’s him dream of. It’s even more powerful when and because the skies lit just before and illuminated hell.

[@VictorHugo-ql1fj]

"Qual poder o inferno teria se aqueles que estão aqui presos não pudessem sonhar com o céu?"

[@givine]

Made it sound like Star Wars with “Hope”

[@christopherchuauhang4829]

Dream destroyed Satan at the end lmao

[@uryuu7758]

Imagine if allll the humans only dream of heaven. I'm thinking it could make hell a forgotten realm.

[@adandavila5153]

I am cobra kai... Because..cobra kai never dies...

[@jamesshiflett1618]

Did it occur to either of them to say, "I am... rubber. And you are... glue."?

[@gavinburke2572]

Knew nothing about this show going into it v pleasantly surprised though I see loads saying its not accurate to the source material, not my dream etc. Still all works IMO this was a standout scene

[@grandtheftaudio6386]

which is all moot when you consider the guy who created the comics also had a VERY heavy hand in the creation of this show. From the people cast in their respective roles, to certain scenes such as this one written specifically by Gaiman himself. People just like to piss and moan about everything on the internet.

[@HERO-hx7ny]

"I am ................. Superman" "shit"

[@89Hargy]

Pointless fight. As it will allways end with hope

[@greghort3929]

Only God can kill hope, so Lucifer cannot say, "I am God."

[@gek1915]

No God can kill hope

[@teamvlcn6820]

Honestly, while God and Lucifer are more conventionally powerful than the Endless, even they can't destroy them entirely. God had a 'Dream' and a 'Desire' to create the universe, which led to 'Death', 'Destiny', and 'Destruction'. And Destruction will lead to 'Despair'.

[@isaac15752]

lucifer, cannot kill hope because, killing hope is a hope in itself, therefore its a self afflicting move it cannot do. the last sentence in the video explains, when said if dream has any power in hell

[@oceanberserker]

How can that be? When Hope is one third of God?

[@mahaffer71]

@@isaac15752 What kills hope? Answer is Determination. Determination in being firm in your purpose and resoluteness regardless of the outcome. Determination erases the reason to even have hope. When you have that you dont need hope. Not needing something means it is nothing. You know what the worst thing in Pandora's box was? It wasn't the sorrows, destruction, wars, or plagues. It was hope itself. Hope's a gamble, Hope lacks certainty, Hope drive people to madness, because you gave up. You have nothing else, no way to fight, or lean on and so hope is the cruelest one of all. We can look in our history and it was determination that made the outcomes. Be it good or bad. Destroying the others person's hope.

[@MB_Gaminggg]

Hoping for season 2

[@lagomorphcavy6132]

Obviously they never met the Philippine Government. Certianly kills all hope.

[@FLAMETHROWER299]

Lucifer could have said i am doubt

[@akgonen60]

thats a good one ...... ddoubt ? i would have never thought of that

[@Animuse883]

Then Dream could have said "I am certainty, sound, proven, beyond all doubt."

[@JeMangeLaPoubelle]

@@Animuse883 "I am despair. Certain only of darkness & the inevitable fall."

[@Animuse883]

@@JeMangeLaPoubelle"I am dark humor, despair releaving, gladness inducing."

[@oceanberserker]

​@@JeMangeLaPoubelle"I am Love. All - Enduring. Truth - Exalting. Ever - Patient. Slow to Anger. Kindness - Embracing. Disdaining of Envy. Uncaring of Boast. Greatest of the Three."

[@thomas00129]

what a jawline

[@Humbledandelion]

He could have said justice i would believed that...

[@numbers93]

Kinda reminds me of the word duel in No Game No Life ahahaha

[@dark..w]

Can they re-challenge each other? Or do they have to use different moves or what if they have the same?

[@Belthazar1113]

You can play the game again, but no one would use the same moves again, because the winner would just follow the same counters to win.

[@BC-vg3zf]

I am god ……your move my son

[@nhyirakev5296]

I am hope

[@mahaffer71]

@@nhyirakev5296 I am Determination. Determination in being firm in my purpose and resoluteness regardless of the outcome. Determination erases the reason to even have hope. When you have that you do not need hope. Not needing something means it is nothing.

[@gek1915]

Hope

[@Dualpersonalities617]

“I am a dire wolf, prey-stalking, lethal prowler.” “I am a hunter, horse-mounted, wolf-stabbing.” “I am a horsefly, horse-stinging, hunter-throwing. “I am a spider, fly-consuming, eight legged.” “ I am a snake, spider-devouring, posion-toothed.” “I am an ox, snake-crushing, heavy-footed.” “I am an anthrax, butcher bacterium, warm-life destroying.” “I am a world, space-floating, life-nurturing.” “I am a nova, all-exploding... planet-cremating.” “I am the Universe -- all things encompassing, all life embracing.” “I am Anti-Life, the Beast of Judgment. I am the dark at the end of everything. The end of universes, gods, worlds... of everything. And what will you be then, Dreamlord?” “I am hope.”

[@MetalGearCheese14]

"...I am Vengeance. I am the Night. I. Am. Batman!"

[@ecchiRhino99]

Lucifer you can't add anti before every word.

[@martixboywill]

Did you say anti-life - Darkseid

[@fade22223]

I am a simp; delusional, lustful, living in shadow.

[@fAmilYMan79i]

Maybe someone should summon Superman

[@nicholasderemi8493]

- I am Wanda - I am … - How did you say this? - What do you mean? With my mouth! - What mouth? The end

[@DavidGonzalez-zl3dz]

This makes me wonder if Darkseid is doomed to fail. According to the Endless, Antilife can be surpassed by hope

[@Rnzzy]

I love this scene and this game but what's funny is how every game can just start with "Hope" and they automatically win 😂

[@Tomey33]

I'm going

[@moxiclip]

I am... Chuck Norris! Hope crusher Anti life swimmer Actively conscious in 10 levels of dreams within a dream.

[@zephe199]

Brienne of Tarth is a direwolf? The Starks have rubbed off on her.

[@meghanjane9479]

This was ckearly inspired by the fight scene in the Sword and the Stone between Merlin and Mim. Go watch it and see the similarities 😂

[@WallySoto-yi8fz]

Doubt can destroy hope. She missed that which means writers did too. What can destroy doubt? SKEPTICISM! UNBREAKABLE POWER!

[@matthewweinstein9655]

I would say doubt destroys faith but not hope. Doubt destroys the expectation of action without evidence, but hope is something more. Hope is the soil from which faith blooms. But your thought does start to just scratch the surface of a really interesting meta discussion on the meanings of hope and faith and where the bright line between them lies. Though at the end of the day, that is mostly a personal question of oppinion rather than objective fact.

[@WallySoto-yi8fz]

U just answered it! Back to hope...the straight jacket in the story of life! Hopelessness arrives. Despair is in the house!

[@matthewweinstein9655]

@WallySoto-yi8fz, So let's look at that response from both inside and outside the work. On a diagetic level, I feel that wouldn't work because you'd be embodying one of the 6 eternals, which I don't believe is something that can be done. If it were possible to invoke one of the eternals, one or the other would have simply said "I am death" and it likely would have been Dream and it would have really pissed off his sister. On a meta-textual level, what does that response from Lucifer illustrate? Does it inform us that even Morningstar, the one that rebelled, the one that hoped to change things, believes redemption, forgiveness, or change is impossible? Does it mean that Lucifers' greatest tool, the manipulating the hopes of others, becomes fully useless. Or does that response "I am hopelessness" simply ensure mutual annihilation for both Lucifer and Dream?

[@Soto-]

Lucifer most likely knew the answer to counter Dream's "Hope" but, in doing that they would destroy their own hopes of one day returning to Heaven.

[@matthewweinstein9655]

@Soto- I agree with your statement, and I think you need to look beyond the personal, to a systemic level also. That same statement is applicable to any system that Lucifer uses to keep the devils of hell marching under their banner. Without hope, Lucifer loses not only their personal motivation for war against heaven but also the power structure Lucifer uses to maintain control over their subordinates. Why should any devil in hell believe anything Lucifer says if they don't have hope that rallying under the Morningstar will get them the thing the devil wants or feels they deserve.

[@gabrielbreaker8859]

The Irony of Lucifer being Gwen, when Brienne’s own last scene in the books completely parallels this…… it was meant to be

[@mrkillz1609]

I am hopelessness

[@shanemitchell477]

I do not care about "Hope." I follow LOVE and LOVE only wherever it goes. I am a child from the 5th dimension outside of all of this. I have come to help the humans or there will be no humans left in the future. I fear NOTHING. Kill me now and set me free and my spirit will thank you. Plus, I can get more done that way. The illusions of this world are meaningless to me. I cannot think, therefore I am not. Yet, I exist. Depression is only anger without the enthusiasm. Money is only cotton fiber and ink. I see things for what they are, not for what they "appear" to be.

[@bryanlim9817]

So.......... instead of an epic physical battle, it is a battle of... imagination?

[@mahaffer71]

Kinda of a handicap going against a dream

[@natsyalejandsome5934]

Doubt kills hope

[@Animuse883]

I hope not

[@matthewallen2273]

Oh, that's a good one. Someone said reality earlier but I like this one better.

[@Animuse883]

@@matthewallen2273 is it though? What kills doubt then? Certainty? Proof? The whole spiritual combat of these eternals identifying as different things inevitably becomes a circular mess. Hope could also be said to withstand doubt. "I doubt we will make it, but I hope I am wrong"...

[@hq7145]

one thing that i can't accept was they start with animal then suddenly Death use the bacterium.. I'm like yo what the h u pick out of the norm..

[@nandhumahendran330]

Ep ??

[@BillieB-kg4is]

I love you too baby I hope you know that

[@altargull]

They need to make the Lucifer story with her as lucifer!~!

[@BROMOONC]

Merlin & Madam Mim

[@user-ru4os3gf1b]

What can survive the anti life “plot armor”