Learn Sword Fighting 5: Continuing The Attack - The Zucken

What to do if your opponent displaces your attack without creating a threat. In this episode: Pull your sword back and thrust - the “Zucken”.
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[@rbq7lx]

I have found you guys to be great sword fighting teachers. Thank you!

[@Dreynschlag]

thanks for the compliment! we are glad if these videos are helpful and help people getting into HEMA.

[@Dreynschlag]

@hcrhfiveandsix2599 historical european martial arts :)

[@Rearpix]

Would love to see a video where all of these methods are used in one single fight. Anyways keep up the great work.

[@Dreynschlag]

+Spy z Backstab thanks! @video: though it won't be a HEMA-demo but a short film... maybe soon ... www.traum-und-wahnsinn.at/54 we will post an update once it is released.

[@ioneiroi8350]

1:02 “Now since Katy doesn’t want to die...”

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[@whynotalicorn1233]

"Very enthusiasticly"

[@thescouts4734]

So me and my friend/friends always go to the park to skirmish a lot, and I was always last pick cause my experience, I've watched your videos, (in fact, rewatching as of now for a refresh), and I wiped them out in a fluid motion, with little to no clash at all, that's how I know you are teaching us correctly, good on y'all, plus 1 sub and like on all sword fighting videos, keep it up!

[@Dreynschlag]

Niceeee! Glad we could help you out! :)

[@thescouts4734]

@@Dreynschlag hey, it's cool that you responded after the video was posted long ago, but I didn't see a short sword tutorial play list, is it the same, or is there a lot more to it that isn't in a long sword move list?

[@Dreynschlag]

one handed sword is a different animal. :) We focus mainly on Longsword. We might do a one handed" Langes Messer" tutorial in the distant future, but probably not within this year.

[@thescouts4734]

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[@lordcannon6549]

I love the slight dry wit in these totorials. Well done!

[@Dreynschlag]

Thanks!

[@hannarae4311]

As a writer this is a very helpful breakdown of these moves! Plus I have a sword from a costume that I am practicing with just started to get interested in sword fighting.

[@Dreynschlag]

That is the reason for our videos: we want to inspire people for historical fencing :)

[@loiniirgaming6125]

I agree! I've recently been struggling with describing the sword movements but this is going to help a lot!

[@kiwitealc5353]

I'm writing a fantasy novel (just for fun) that involves a good bit of fighting. This channel has been so helpful! These sword fighting videos and the quarterstaff videos are so useful and detailed. Thanks for sharing!!

[@Casa_Media]

I'm a Filipino and this tutorial is great. I hope this kind of swordfighting will be revived.

[@Dreynschlag]

Hi and thanks! The HEMA community grows and is pretty active - so chances are good. Greetings from Austria!

[@thescouts4734]

What was the point of stateing your Filipino???

[@thecoloroctet1365]

The Scouts just to show how awesome he is

[@thescouts4734]

@@thecoloroctet1365 yea, I guess, but it just seemed pointless, so it kinda bothers me, I hate doing or saying pointless things

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FourBowl Media kaya nga eh madali lng a tutorial

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This mist be the best tutorials if seen on the topic!!! Thx for the hard work!

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Good job on making the tutorials short, clear and very informative! You have my sub.

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Thank you for this you guys are providing me with a hobby that is healthy rather then flameing so thank you

[@videoGunZ]

Great series! I'm really looking forward to learn more from you :) Greetings from Germany

[@KurstingCherries]

I needed these so my brothers don't just do random things or throw the sword in random places. THX!!

[@St1cKnGoJuGgAlO]

I'm a very beginner in HEMA. I've practiced iado and niten ichi Ryu "Japanese styles of swordsmanship" for a while but wanted to expand and encompass my European roots. I find your videos very straightforward and helpful and want to sincerely thank you for making and posting these. So... Thank you. Sincerely.

[@infernalastaroth_1634]

Yeah I watched these to get me started on sword combat and this helps!(Now I shall combine this with my knowledge of all ligtsaber forms and I can be the best warrior ever)

[@K.I.S]

These videos are oddly relaxing

[@majesticamv8180]

I am here to learn how to use swords thank you for the step by step process 😊

[@ericjefferson7262]

love these tutorials

[@Dreynschlag]

thanks! more coming soon :)

Das beste "Zucken" Video, das ich kenne. Man könnte noch anmerken, dass man nicht in eine Oberhut zucken muss, sondern einfach nur zurückziehen kann, z.B. in den Pflug, und direkt von unten zum Leib oder Kopf stechen.

[@Dreynschlag]

Vielen Dank! Ja, du hast natürlich recht. Wir versuchen es bewusst sehr einfach zu halten, weil wir in erster Linie die Grundlagen/Prinzipien für Anfänger erklären möchten.

[@TheNandixLP]

Es wird bei jeder Folge spannender! :) Es ist jetzt für mich schon viel leichter die Bewegungen zu verstehen, da jetzt schon der Spielraum da ist sich das ganze in einem richtigen Kampf vorzustellen. Mir gefällt das Format sehr!

[@Dreynschlag]

+TheNandixLP Danke, das freut uns! Wir wollen euch vor allem die Prinzipien, die hinter den Techniken stecken, erklären. Wenn du dir das langsam vorstellen kannst, sind wir zusammen auf einem guten Weg :)

[@thatonenicehusky3623]

Very helpful! Was able to beat a friend in a spar using this method.

[@astra6698]

Thanks so much for these, im writing notes on all your vids for a fantasy book im writing, these techniques are really helpful!

[@whynotalicorn1233]

I hope you finish!

[@2ndCrusades-]

Is it out yet?

[@astra6698]

@@2ndCrusades- no 😭

[@marceloferrari4242]

Este golpe é complexo,mas com treino se torna instintivo. Excelente instrução,muito bom, saudações de toda nossa academia

[@alexcurran2755]

Thanks for the tutorial, been looking for one for a while :)

[@Dreynschlag]

you are welcome. great if it helps!

[@sirjohn1307]

Thanks for the tutorials and info on HEMA.

[@TTHUNDERR72]

i love these im gonna win against my friend because of these

[@fbiagent1350]

Did you win against your friend with those moves?

[@AnnikaSB]

@@fbiagent1350 and what do you need to know that for? Oh yeah right ur an agent sorry

[@morroschreiber]

How is this a zucken and not a durchwechseln? Or just a winding to ochs ? I am a little unclear on zucken, which seems to be explained differently by different people. Thanks for the great videos!

[@marceloferrari4242]

Gostaria de ver um uma instrução sobre espadas militares ocidentais,como sempre este vídeo muito bom parabéns

[@martinweiss2955]

Zucken seems to leave the attacker open for oberhau or a thrust on the newly opened attacker's flank, shoulder, head or elbow.

[@f0ggy808]

Love the more theory in the beggining and also general statements of typical opponent reactions, is there any change to see any vegetables get cast?

[@kt-ih9gj]

I have a question, what if your right leg keeps on shaking and you cant stop it when you are in the defensive move like at the beginning before you are explaining , how do you stop the shaking on your right leg? It always happens to me when I practice

[@xunremosefuldisruptionx2209]

at 1:30 the guy is just like," please no" if you look for his stare at the camera xD

[@GediBern]

damn you can read my mind :D

[@SuperCJmax]

What about doing the other six basics attacks before doing more specialised counter attacks? Mittelschlag, Oberhau etc. ....

[@lsi1514]

When the giant monster is too high a level for you; Retreat in an orderly fashion

[@frankysmith3273]

this clips are the best i ever seen on youtube to learn sword fighting an handling!-thanks for this great job and please dont stop to make videos like this! ps:gedi i am with you!-maybe its better for you if you dont start with oberhau at first!-at best you get the grip in you face or a kick in your eggs.-what next?-a kick in ass?-hahaha!

[@GediBern]

Thanks for the feedback! Well and yes: Maybe I should think about a different initial attack... hmmm ;-)

[@kyleragudo3657]

Thanks.

[@DuckDaSimp]

"Now since Gedi doesn't want to die..."

[@marceloferrari4242]

Estamos testando essa técnica com a katana com resultados muito bons,gostaria de conhecer os modelos de espadas e sabres europeus,um vídeo seria ótimo. Deus abençoe a todos aí em Viena

[@puliput117]

i actualy have some friends and we treain and battle with ,,swords,, ( i mean realy stong stics who are long like some long-sword s )

[@King-ud8fj]

Can you do some videos were how to defend.

[@gregorsuchentrunk388]

A kind of defend is shown in our Vid. Nr.1 Make a Oberhau against a Oberhau and do a step backwords. Also our vid Nr.2 is a kind of defend "the Zornhau". Notice only defending is the best way to die, we always try to attack while defending. In the vids 3/4/5/6 and 7 Gedi only defends without an attack and without winning the initiative.

[@phaines9]

in general, would you advise being more offensive or defensive minded?

[@Dreynschlag]

well depends on the interpretation of "offensive" and "defensive". in my opinion it's most important to avoid being hit and to attack only while you stay protected because that's what you would do if those weapons were sharp (you might call this defensive).

[@ricolaw2571]

Well let's think about this Mr. Haines. If you were in a real sword fight (because these are combat weapons designed for war), how long could you defend before I break through it to end your life? Or before I receive help and you get killed because there's 2 or more of us? all the texts I've read do not defend without looking for an opportunity to counter attack. You want to dispatch your adversary as quickly as possible. So defense only in pursuit of offense makes sense.

[@thescouts4734]

Defend till you see an opening, and defend long, you may catch them off guard, don't defend forever though, strike fast, or they may hit first

[@commanderrockwell1123]

@@thescouts4734 If you’re defending for long, you’re losing the fight. The enemy is getting opportunity after opportunity to attack and you are denying him none of them in such a scenario.

[@thescouts4734]

@@commanderrockwell1123 no one did you can't take a pot shot, just don't make a full attack for a kill if you aren't confident you will hit

[@NAME-xh9yw]

Das war echt toll!

[@austinthibodeau5952]

I just want to say, I love your videos and you guys are doing great. I'm learning a lot. But I was explaining this technique to my father and he brought up a good question; what if your opponent just moves their blade back to their right side to block your second Ort?

[@Dreynschlag]

Hi and thanks for your feedback! If your opponent manages to displace your 2nd thrust the game simply continues depending on how he did displace: Therefore check first if you are still in a thrusting position or if you are ready to do another Zucken, Abnehmen or Durchwechseln back to your right side. Or maybe you are safe to leave the bind and do a Zwerchhau... etc. There a lots of possibilities depending on the situation.

[@austinthibodeau5952]

Wow thank you so for responding so quickly and answering so clearly. This was extremely helpful. Looking forward to more tutorials. Thanks again, I have a lot a practicing to do! :)

[@markus6799]

Wo kriegt man den Helm her und was nutzt ihr generell als Schutz Rüstung in dem Video

[@rhysnichols8608]

They look like true Saxons

[@moreorless1544]

Is there a place or sight were I can get a real, sharp rapier sword? (That is not overly priced)

[@Ygdrasil18]

Hallo, ich verfolge spannend eure Videos. Was mir jedoch schwer fällt ist die Bein arbeit. Könntet ihr in euren zukünftigen Videos auch etwas über die Beinarbeit sagen, sowohl von Verteidiger als auch Angreifer? Das wäre sehr hilfreich. Danke und macht weiter so!

[@Dreynschlag]

Hallo und danke für dein Feedback! Wir werden uns dazu in einem der nächsten Videos etwas überlegen.

[@ChristsBeloved777]

could you guys make videos that show how to fight when your not fighting another swordsman ( like how to use a sword against someone using a chain

[@Dreynschlag]

that is an excellent question. Unfortunately there are very few manuals about duels where the combatants wield different weapons. Maybe in the distant future we will cover something like this, but for now, we focus on sword VS sword, staff VS staff, and so on. Check out traditional gladiator fighting. There the fighters have different equipment. For example trident, net and dagger VS large shield and short sword. (Retiarius VS Secutor)

[@afriendlyrebel5709]

Will all those European Techniques work with Katana?

[@Dreynschlag]

Hmmm, some of them probably will. But since the weapon is so different, a lot of the techniques shown on our channel might not be suited for the Katana. If you are interested in this weapon, its would be best to check out Ninjutsu, Iado and Kendo. :)

[@c-gm-s5107]

Could you sometimes do slowmo for us to understand better thank you 🙏

[@Remosaurior]

I really need to know where to get that t-shirt

[@Dreynschlag]

+Remosaurior from our friends in Poland: shop.scholagladiatoria.pl

[@GandalfGaming2144]

when will you next upload

[@Dreynschlag]

Hi! Unfortunately you will have to wait for a little longer. The next season is already planned (and we hope we've picked some interesting stuff for you) but we had to take a short break. The release will probably be in early 2017.

[@GandalfGaming2144]

thank goodness

[@MiZielek]

Can you make some tutorials for 1 - handed sword?

[@Dreynschlag]

unfortunately we don't have the resources for this atm... but take a look on Illkkas (Bolognese sword) or Rolands (sword and buckler) channel for example: kzbin.info kzbin.info

[@trevorjohnson3229]

Japanese swords are proven to be more resilent during the time period.

[@mikhaeelmahomed]

i have a question what happens if the apponent manages to parry the zucken

[@Dreynschlag]

in this case continue your attack. depending on the situation there are a lot of ways to do so (you might for example try to thrust from Winden etc.)

[@ziigwa]

But what if your opponent strikes from their side while your about to thrust them ?

[@Dreynschlag]

First of all timing and recognizing the situation are essential for Zucken, Abnehmen and Durchwechseln. You have to attack in a way that forces your opponent to displace your attack (so otherwise he would get hit). Now you have to recognize wheter it's a situation for Zucken, Durchwechseln or Abnehmen - and you have to start your action while he is about to displace your attack. If there's an attack while you thrust (or an afterblow right after your thrust) your are in a strong defensive position called "Ochs" (ox) with your hands beside and above your head, your sword held in a thumb grip - as shown in the video. This protects pretty well against attacks from above. If he attacks low simply move into "Pflug" (plow). So your blade is between yourself and your opponents weapon and while performing your counter you have moved out of your opponents line of attack. If he attacks after your thrust keep in mind what Bernhard always tells in our videos after the technique: "Maintain cover and retreat in an orderly fashion."

[@shawnsims5507]

How would I do this by myself not too many people in mid Western us who want to train with me.

[@davidkyo1985]

www.hemaalliance.com/club-finders Depends on where exactly you're based, of course, but I see quite a few clubs in the Western US as well. Hopefully you'll find what you're looking for if you haven't yet.

[@user-fx3tf7yf5o]

Подойдет только для наработки основных навыков в бою использовать почти невозможно. Есть варианты проще и проверенней.

[@thepwntrain3230]

I feel like you’re videos could be longer

[@Dreynschlag]

Thanks for the feedback mate. We decided to stick with the 2,5 minutes timeframe to keep it simple and straight, and to focus on the most important keypoints, so that it is not getting too confusing. :)

[@Flamingbob25]

I'm starting to feel bad for Gedi (I hope that's how it's spelled) always the victim never the victor.

[@GediBern]

Haha, thanks for your support! Life can be tough ... :D But I finally got some revenge in our Schielhau-vid.

[@bono894]

Cool stuff. How old are these techniques?

[@Dreynschlag]

our interpretations are based on treatises from 15th and 16th century

[@atlastheholycrusader2623]

They say it's chess. I say it's tic-tac-toe.

[@jacksonking6353]

I’m just using my wooden sword

[@badfilmmaking3413]

Am I the only one wanting Write a fight scene in the forest With overly used fighting lines

[@JBT..]

what? no fruit?

[@callumoneill9368]

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