Learn Sword Fighting 6: Continuing The Attack - The Abnehmen

[@ossian1977]

I find your videos incredibly useful. So straightforward, clear, even on obscure points. No muss no fuss. You are helping HEMA a lot! Especially the newbies like me. Now, a more mundane question: beautiful swords. What is the manufacturer?

[@gregorsuchentrunk388]

Arma bohemia

[@samprastherabbit]

Guys, thank you so much for these great videos- They're helping me a lot with learning German longsword- had to miss my local class that dealt with Abnehmen so this is hugely, hugely helpful. Keep 'em coming!

[@Dreynschlag]

Hey there, thats great to hear! Thank you a lot for your kind words. We hope you can use our interpretations for your hema class. Episode 14 will go online within the next few days. WE KEEP 'EM COMIN'! :)

[@DZ-1987]

I prefer this one over the zucken, i'm more of a swinger than a thruster.

[@1Aldreth]

Both are highly dependend on the type of bind you find yourself in. Abnehmen only works if your opponent uses a lot of force with his deflecting or Versetzen. The whole point of this technique is to use the energy of your oponent to let your blade slide upwards very quick to release the bind. If there is not enough force used by your opponent you wont be quick enough and he will just block your following strinke. So you can't really substitute these two techniques with each other as both are a reaction to different scenarios.

[@learnwithzaka]

The way you are teaching and training is very fruitful and impressive. God bless you. And keep up good work.

[@princebacon2825]

I’m just watching this bc I want to fight my sister in a sword battle with foam swords

[@thomasblackman1916]

Same

[@thomasblackman1916]

Same

[@thepriestpucci4988]

Me and my friends fight shirtless with woodswords, may hurt a bit but thats just part of it.

[@AnnikaSB]

Same

[@craftysky6200]

Me too

[@theIvain]

Ich mag eure Reihe sehr und werde sie unseren Einsteigern für die Heimarbeit empfehlen. Nur ein kleiner Gedanke: Am Ende heißt es "nun in einer flüssigen Bewegung", trotzdem sind es noch mehrere, mit Pausen getrennte Aktionen. Ich fände es hier sehr praktisch, die Aktion einmal in wirklichen schnellem Fluß, ggf. in Zeitlupe wiederholt, zu sehen.

[@Dreynschlag]

+Alexander Klenner Vielen Dank für dein Feedback! Freut uns, wenns gefällt. Wir versuchen bewusst die Techniken in einem sehr niedrigen Tempo und mit klar akzentuierten Bewegungen zu zeigen, damit mans besser sehen kann. Aber du hast schon recht: So richtig "flüssig" war das am Ende darum wohl nicht. Ist halt auch noch ziemliches Neuland für uns dieses Video-Ding :)

[@dalewellborn968]

Is there a way to practice by yourself?

[@Dreynschlag]

you can start doing solo drills, it is not a full substitute for a trainingspartner, but a good start. :) Check out the channel of our friend Ikka, where he is showing some awesome movement drills: kzbin.info?pbjreload=10

[@thepriestpucci4988]

Ich habe mir ein Langschwert aus Holz nachgebaut, und obwohl ich leider keinen Partner dafür habe kann ich auch gut alleine üben indem ich mir immer vorstelle wie ein Gegner wohl am besten auf meine Angriffe reagiert und wass ich dann dagegen machen kann. Das Holzschwert benutzte ich dabei um zu sehen wie gut ich meine Techniken auch ausführen könnte, wie Stark meine Hiebe sind und wie ich mich am besten dazu bewege.

[@PhanthomKnight9]

Anyone else here who doesnt have access to a hema club but still wants to learn longsword?

[@marceloferrari4242]

Aqui no Brasil,nossa academia desenvolvemos kendo e esgrima medieval,técnicas evolutivas como esta são ótimas,isso prova que nenhuma arte marcial é estacionária,parabéns pelo vídeo.otimo aprendizado

[@riohoney6]

My fitness goal is to be able to run a mile in full plate and still win a duel afterwards

[@gabwill8]

I've watched a few of these now, and since I can't find an opponent to practice against, I was thinking about other things I could practice. Is it possible you could explain the footwork/positioning required for some of these moves? I try some of them out, but I find myself stumbling like a dork. Also, I've been admiring your swords. Do you get all of them from somewhere specific?

[@jakafurlan5039]

Make more videos please, they are great. :D

[@Dreynschlag]

Thanks for your feedback! Glad you like them. We're pretty busy atm so we hat to take a break. But there will be more videos soon.

[@kyleragudo3657]

Thanks

[@muselg618]

Have no plan off using this for anything but still very interesting

[@southswell625]

Great videos! One thing though, right before Gregor disengages to go in for the final thrust, he seems to leave himself wide open for an attack from his opponent. Why wouldn't his opponent take this opportunity? Thanks

[@Dreynschlag]

The prerequisite for Abnehmen is that the opponent pushes to the side. Only in that time frame, as long as your opponent applies pressure to the side, it’s safe to do the Abnehmen. While Gregor performs the technique, he takes a step to his left and immediately brings his sword back down between himself and his opponent while hitting and thus closes the line of attack to protect himself. After that he takes another step to increase distance, still with his sword between himself and his opponent, and in this case ending in a guard called right “Pflug” (plow), again ready to attack. We call this a “proper retreat” because he moves out of Gedi’s range of attack while staying protected. So to finally answer your question: If Gedi attacks after he got hit, Gregor is already in a strong defensive position with his sword between himself and Gedi. So all he needs to do is to raise his hands if required.

[@CallofWar5]

more vids please these are very good

[@Dreynschlag]

thanks! we have to take a short break during summer. but there will be more videos coming soon.

[@martinweiss2955]

The repositioning of Gregor 's hands is a long delay, seems risky. Gidi can just slide down the line and advance and strike Gregor with a down slice. Unless you are slowing the grip down to illustrate a point, but still I feel a half second delay there. Excellent demo

[@spjoconnell]

Can these attacks be translated to a katana or bokken style fighting?

[@gregorsuchentrunk388]

Some of them yes.

[@marceloferrari4242]

Cadê os vídeos novos?? Está fazendo falta🇧🇷

[@נירשאולקר]

hey great work champs! what length are the swords?is there a video about your background?, would be very insterested.

[@Dreynschlag]

Thanks! Those swords are about 125 cm long. We don't have a video about our background but you can find some information in Axel Petterssons "Wanderlust"-videos with Harry from Dreynschlag: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWGpg4t7ebFqaaM

[@skiesquiggles7319]

Um, jut for clarification, would these techniques be effective against an opponent without training?

[@Dreynschlag]

if done right they work :)

[@skiesquiggles7319]

thank you!

[@maybe.yellow]

How should I tell when to use the abnehmen and not the zucken?

[@JBT..]

no fruit?

[@DZ-1987]

Sod the fruit. Meat is more realistic.

[@OBSIADDON]

Kann man am ende auch eine 360 Grad drehung vollstrecken ? Als wie das Schwert anzuheben, es um die Waffe des Feindes herum vorbei zu schleifen und dann erst zuzuschlagen ?

[@Dreynschlag]

Nein, so eine Bewegung funktioniert nur im Film. Sie dauert einfach zu lange und du bist komplett ungeschützt. Das Abnehmen ist hingegen eine sehr kurze und schnelle Bewegung und du bringst dein Schwert zwischen dich und deinen Gegner (bist also geschützt). Es gibt darum afaik keinen einzigen Drehschlag in den historischen Quellen.

[@ME_YA4P]

I would say that you guys went too "deep" on the sword for abnehmen to work in the example technique. With the blade all the way down at the opponent's strong, it's a VERY long way up. Comparatively, a zucken would be faster and more efficient. It would require pretty immense pressure from the opponent's sword to work imho. Maybe you were exaggerating it for clarity.

[@mikhaeelmahomed]

what happens if you take too long to turn the blade and run it up the other blade

[@Dreynschlag]

it wouldn't work if it takes too long.

[@houselightkell]

Mikhaeel Mahomed in my opinion, if you run out of time like that, you best kick the back of their knee using your left leg. do this hard and fast.

[@syaffizafrishahrin9452]

What’s the difference between this technique and zucken

[@syaffizafrishahrin9452]

What i’m trying to say what is the situation to apply this technique, because when i look at zuchken video you will apply it when your opponent displace your blade and your opponent control more of your left bind. I cannot see the difference of the situation to apply this technique.....

[@Dreynschlag]

​@@syaffizafrishahrin9452 Hi! The prerequisites are different. Both require your opponent to displace your attack. However, to do the "Zucken", it's necessary that you are in a binding and only a short piece of your blade protrudes over the blade binding, so you can pull it back and immediately bring it forward again in a very small motion (that's why it's called "zucken", which means to twitch). The "Abnehmen" on the other hand needs your opponent to displace your attack firmly to the side. You can only perform the "Abnehmen" if you can feel your opponent pressing sidewards. And as those three belong together: The "Durchwechseln" can only be applied if your opponents pressure on your blade goes downwards or if he is aiming for your sword instead of your body.

[@syaffizafrishahrin9452]

Dreynschlag great explaination, thank you

[@epicfighter7653]

What happens if your sword breaks why blocking your opponents sword

[@gregorsuchentrunk388]

The piece you don´t hold in your hands falls to the ground.

[@epicfighter7653]

I already know that

[@Grant_Michael_Layman]

you need to show us how to counter the things you show in the video

[@Dreynschlag]

most techniques in our videos are counters (against a thrust or a stroke). countering the counter (and so on) is sometimes possible but advanced material and there is still so much basic stuff we need to show...

[@amirul-princeofart5710]

So the rest of it is not to defend against the counter you dodge it

[@Tkoutlosh]

Are you guys stil considering this interpretation valid? Or there is some shift in opinion on it by the time passed?

[@Eternal_Night69]

Since I have a decor sword and like swordfighting I'm watching this for rp

[@ortwinvomschildberg4717]

Wieso hat der Fechter links eigentlich konstant überstreckte Gelenke. Und bei 0:44 die Position der linken Hand...da tut mir mein Handgelenk schon beim zuschauen weh. Und seine ganze Körperhaltung....da müsst ihr Jungs noch etwas üben- Didaktisch ist das Video aber super.

[@acboesefrau7729]

Es wäre noch besser verständlich, wenn man es nochmal von hinten gesehen hätte. Von der Seite ist nicht klar, daß der Ort keine Bedrohung mehr ist.

[@houselightkell]

instead of hitting their head with the blade, could you just punch them with your free other hand? would it be quicker?

[@Dreynschlag]

Good thinking, however he problem is that if you wanted to punch the guy, you would have to close the distance. This would be another technique. But even then it is a good idea to use your pommel or get even closer to apply wrestling throws or locks. A simple punch to the face might not finish the fight, and the other guy still has his hands on a deadly weapon. As an example for the principle of closing the distance, check out our video about the "pommel strike". kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y53CZoyqbrGUiLc

[@f0ggy808]

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[@themusicplayerrjs4055]

6yr

[@houselightkell]

it'd actually be quicker to do this in reverse grip, I think

[@alessandromariani3015]

This seems fake .. no one push on the sword like he did.