The airplane I was going to buy crashed in front of me.

I can't make this up if I tried, I was supposed to bring this gorgeous plane home and the owners belly landed it on the runway in front of us 🤷‍♂️. Guess that landing gear warning light wasn't lying (hence why we made the call not to fly it). Everyone was safe. Unfortunately for the airplane, will be another story, not sure if it will be fixed or parted. It is unfortunate, as the plane was a true beauty with only 63 hours on the fresh engine and gorgeous Dynon HDX avionics.
Back on the market searching for a plane.
#aircraft #aviation #airplanecrash

[@AngelTheredStar29]

63 hours on a new engine and 100k in avionics but too cheap to fix the landing gear? Pathetic owner

[@edwardr5084]

Dangerous owner.

[@Sidicas]

Reminds me of those car people that put a huge expensive engine in an old rust bucket with no air bags, no traction control, no stability control, no anti lock breaks, etc..

[@apilot53]

@@Sidicas who needs any of that garbage?

[@icac613]

@@Sidicas everything you mentioned past the air bags is only a burden in a performance car. Or a necessity for a bad/mediocre driver ;) Great engine, structural integrity (not compromised by rusted fender), good suspension and brakes is all a good car (and driver) needs.

[@omicron0mega]

@@Sidicas None of which would cause a belly landing in an airplane.

[@Eric-zq3vl]

Look at all that money they saved by not paying a mechanic to fix the (known) gear issue before they sold it. Cheeeeep owners, I Swear.......

[@FloorItDuh]

This sort of stuff is exactly why I don't work in general aviation.

[@toodlepop]

as a species, i think we're regressing to the point where soon we won't even be able to drive or fly.

[@falcon127]

If the circuit breaker keeps poping don't fly it,... FIX IT!

[@kushagramittal4275]

They were ferrying the plane to get it fixed

[@999jimbo111]

A&Ps are mobile and can travel.

[@peterk2455]

@@kushagramittal4275 It was on the ground with the problem. The decision was made by the owners to fly it, after the prospective buyer decided not to fly it. 0:50.

[@RetreadPhoto]

Real rocket surgery for some folks, ain’t it?

[@leroycharles9751]

My rule is one reset.

[@wesleyconn620]

they knew it had gear issues why would you fly it without making sure it is serviceable???

[@trent5555]

Ya really. Did you hear him say he hit the prop on first go around? A litany of bad decisions.

[@leroycharles9751]

He was desperate to sell it.

[@thnksno]

I'm currently selling a house. I'm responsible for a couple of inspections. I had dude out the other day and was telling him what I observed. He says it's nothing to worry about, but he could do this and that to fix it. I told him to do it, I want the new owners to be happy. It was like an extra $130. Anyway, as he's leaving, I said I would refer the new owners to him. He said great I should be hearing from them in a couple of months. LOL! He followed up by saying it's inevitable, like the property just says it liked the old owners better.

[@nitrostamped]

That gear should have a down and locked light, and a manual backup to get it down.

[@wadem4955]

Aircraft jacks are expensive, and it's more fun to take it around the patch a couple times ... course the jacks are less expensive than plane they may have ruined. :(

[@lobbyrobby]

The benefits of being poor is I'll never have this problem

[@Zaephyrs]

Only 63 hours on the engine - ouch, that'll make you cry. Tough to see that happen to a nice plane.

[@adhdaf]

pardon my ignorance, but does a belly landing / prop strike kill the engine as well?

[@billnone305]

I can't believe, even with the slim possibility of a gear collapse, the pilot didn't shut the engine off on short final, what a mistake, he could have saved the engine.

[@bubbaman12289]

​@@adhdaf the cranks in these are notoriously fragile and if any bit of bad vibrations such as a prop strike it has to be inspected there are ways around but not really smart to do

[@anonymous-nobody1]

@@bubbaman12289 not sure were you get your information from saying the "cranks in these are notoriously fragile" there is an AD on Lycoming engines that will require the removal of the accessory case after a prop strike/sudden stoppage to replace some accessory drive components, other than that dial the crank to make sure it is within limits (I would bet money that it is), put a new prop on, fix the sheetmetal and fly. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO DO AN ENGINE TEARDOWN

[@Zaephyrs]

@@adhdaf No, that's a good question. When there is a prop strike the engine will need to be inspected for damage as non-design load is applied from the propeller through the crankshaft. This inspection process requires it to be disassembled and is essentially a rebuild of the engine. If this engine in the Mooney was a Lycoming IO-360 (what it had in 2023) it should run 2000 hours if well treated before needing an overhaul. 63 hours is hardly used at all. Also an overhaul, rebuilt engine, or new engine will run tens of thousands of dollars. Divide that by 2000 and it's one thing, divide the price by 63 an it's another.

[@danielreuter2565]

The gear is mis-rigged. That's why the breaker was popping and it was too stiff to hand crank. Intentionally flying a plane with a known gear failure is so dumb. I can't even. Just for starters, that flight was illegal and should have been flown with a special flight permit. Which would have required an inspection by an A&P. That inspection would have probably discovered the mis-rigging and probably been easily fixed. Sometimes it feels like most accidents are just people who shouldn't be anywhere near an airplane doing something that every other pilot would know not to do.

[@WhereNerdyisCool]

I'm glad you posted, I was thinking this would be a situation where a special flight permit would be required. I just don't understand why someone would fly an airplane with gear issues. A very expensive mistake.

[@DustinDawind]

"Now we've gotta take a flight home with no plane." That's impressive. Can you teach me how to do that? 🤣

[@SirDrifto]

Lmao I walked myself right into that one 🤦‍♂️

[@hellbred79]

@@SirDrifto’walked myself’ Love it!🥁

[@blancolirio]

4:24 "I had both CB's pulled before takeoff..." Poor kid gets a hard lesson in flying an unairworthy aircraft without a ferry permit... ADM Aeronautical Decision Making. why we can no longer afford insurance.

[@gavinjenkins899]

Wouldn't insurance just not cover that due to illegality, thus not affecting your insurance?

[@donaldglaser7686]

My thoughts exactly, Juan.

[@LaSabrinita]

@@gavinjenkins899 the insurance would need proof that they knew it was unsafe and illegal add to it the legal fight might cost more than the actual repair or write off.

[@cavsh00ter]

you are so correct

[@navajojohn9448]

It was his lucky day since his first landing may have been a gear collapse.

[@flyer617]

The plane was flown with known gear issues? And not checked by an A&P mechanic? That would help explain why insurance rates are so high.

[@james1787]

This popped up in my feed. I'm not a pilot or an airplane mechanic - but if there were known / still unsolved issues with the landing gear - why on earth would you fly the aircraft until you know it has been repaired / properly tested? Expensive lesson.

[@flytoday]

because they are desperate to offload that plane

[@peanutbutter2597]

If you have issues with the landing gear on an airplane ? Then it should be addressed in a hanger by professional aircraft mechanics and tested while mounted on jacks

[@FloorItDuh]

OPS checking a major flight safety item before going flying? Nah that cost too much money just put some speed tape over the CB to hold it in.😂

[@thatairplaneguy]

**Captain obvious has joined the chat**

[@OOpSjm]

They were flying it to the mechanic. They shouldn't have messed with the gear during the relocation flight. That was their mistake.

[@gavinjenkins899]

​​ bruh you don't fly an un airworthy plane to the mechanic or anywhere else

[@OOpSjm]

@@gavinjenkins899 Rethink that one

[@Christopher-pe6zj]

The "why did you do that" killed me hahahahahahaha this guy seems like a good dude to hang around!

[@captnmack747]

Insurance should NOT pay for this!

[@jbarrer2196]

Sad. I owned a M20F with the johnson bar ... never had a gear failure.

[@crazypilot4017]

I have a M20C model with the J bar. No issues 😎👍

[@JohnChuprun]

What's wrong with the owners? Such a shame to destroy a beautiful plane, especially when it was clear there was a problem... Sucks.

[@lukebelvin4900]

the kid was proud of it LOL

[@patrickradcliffe3837]

Didn't destroy the plane just replace some skid patches and the prop. Most of FIX the gear issue.

[@Civ33]

it'll be a right bit more expensive to fix than if they'd bothered to just fix the landing gear in the first place, but the airplane is by no means destroyed. With the expensive avionics overhaul especially, they wouldn't wanna scrap it

[@lukebelvin4900]

@@Civ33 oh really you think? What about to severe damage to the bottom of the airframe and that prop strike constitutes an entire engine breakdown with good chance of overhaul.. good thing about insurance huh no wonder I pay so much a year for pilot insurance when frugal a/c owners cut any corner possible then hand it over to some unlucky bastard that gets to experience whatever he was building up to. People are morons even in the aviation world trust me.. one thing is for sure that aircraft will sit until the bank comes for the repo and all our insurance rates will go up another 800. Dumbasses.

[@wardholbrook1478]

I'm sure the FAA will want to spend some quality one-on-one time with the pilot for flying an airplane with a known discrepancy. This reminds of of the plaque hanging on the wall of the local FBO: A Superior Pilot - One who uses his superior judgement to avoid situations requiring the use of his superior skills.

[@jtocwru]

Chaos seems to follow the owner of this airplane. Google his name. Emergency landing on I-85 in a Cessna 172. Lost his brand new home to a fire that also destroyed his bass boat and pickup truck. And now this. What the heck?

[@mrbmp09]

@jtocwru Fraudster?

[@timoleary92]

​@@mrbmp09 That's my initial thought. That is some statistically significant "bad luck" and I'm sure his insurance companies' actuaries agree...

[@MonostripeZebra]

Well, that is one way to show off that expensive retractable gear feature to potential buyers.. Just kidding.. that was a great landing! I hope the plane gets fixed in a timely and affordable manner!

[@SirDrifto]

Works everytime

[@paradoxicalcat7173]

Retract is so good, it even works on the ground!

[@thatairplaneguy]

Nothing is affordable about a gear up. Mandatory engine rebuild will be 30K and that will be cheaper than the belly work.

[@user-hk8uu2qm9t]

Rich people with lots of dollars and no cents

[@JoeGator23]

Sense.

[@user-hk8uu2qm9t]

@@JoeGator23 Yes a play on words.

[@TitaniumTurbine]

@@JoeGator23 I think you must be directly related to that “omicron0mega” dude that’s also in this comment section (possibly your father?). Just absolutely no awareness or understanding of what someone is saying. Truly incredible.

[@jakebumbstead]

That was a nice landing, until it wasn’t,

[@upsidedowndog1256]

Mooneys can do that. The landing gear issue may not have been caught in a prebuy so you are lucky. They aren't too difficult to fix. Prop, engine, and everything else will NOT be cheap, no matter what, though. That will take a long time to fix.

[@Killerean]

That is SO expensive maintenance fail. What could have been just a landing gear fix is now new belly plating, new landing gear covers, structural inspection, engine rebuild, new propeller, and hell knows what else was damaged. Also the failure was so bad that they can't even lock the gear manually which suggests it might have been pretty obvious piece of mechanics being broken, potentially easy to identify.

[@LFransson]

Circuit breakers rarely open without a reason. If a circuit breaker opens repeatedly, either the breaker is bad (unlikely) or there is a real problem (almost definitely) that needs to be addressed.

[@dirty-1744]

it takes full power to taxi with the landing gear up.

[@vhwft]

It’s truely amazing that some people have managed to obtain a pilots license when it’s very clear they shouldn’t have.

[@VigilanceTech]

I like the little custom "winglets" on the prop for improved efficiency and reduced noise!

[@loganb6286]

They just upgraded to a Q propeller, big reduction in noise 👍

[@rustler08]

This honestly sounds like insurance fraud.

[@chuckufarly65]

I think you're right about that.

[@paulne1514]

Reminds me of my Brother going to buy a snowmobile. The farmer said, he wanted to take one last ride. When the farmer got to the far side of his field, the motor blew.

[@tomstrum6259]

Might not have best judgment but that pilot deff knows how to fly a Mooney.....Greased it in Perfectly without wheels !!

[@mts592]

Wow! Sad! Glad the owner made a safe landing 👍

[@rmp5s]

Awww...it's a Mooney, too! I love Mooneys...

[@ca_pilot]

Man, that's just sad.

[@SirDrifto]

It was hard to watch happen

[@janjager2906]

That’s a bummer. I feel sorry for the seller.. 😕

[@meowmeow2759]

I don't, this was completely the sellers fault.

[@JosephGreen-us5fr]

Reminds me of the instructor that gave me my complex endorsement in his Mooney. I think it took me close to a half dozen tries of shoving that lever into place before I got the gear to lock down. I sure like electric gear motors.

[@michaelharper2339]

I'm not very good at identifying planes but I love the one behind ya guys!

[@dr62220]

Turbo Commander 690

[@michaelharper2339]

@@dr62220 thank you

[@mitchlza]

There were a few. One I noticed was a V tailed Beechcraft Bonanza

[@hailfire82997]

@@dr62220 I thought it was an MU2 at first glance. Good eye

[@jonkeau5155]

“Did you get it?” *sigh* “Yeah…” 😂 I felt that!

[@quinnjim]

I would have shut the engine down to keep the damage to some metal work on the belly. Even with the chance that the gear was having problems, it would have been worth it. That runway was HUGE...plenty of room.

[@mrbmp09]

@quinnjim How would you stop and prevent further windmilling?

[@quinnjim]

@@mrbmp09 When you get slow enough, windmilling stops. Just bump the starter to get the prop horizontal.

[@Chance-ry1hq]

Moral to the story don’t trouble shoot warning lights, by flying the plane. This is incredible.

[@thefreshies]

Wow. Bummer. Glad pilot is ok.

[@zulgadams5837]

Would it had made any difference to the aircraft damage landing in the grass like that?

[@SirDrifto]

I frankly think less damage would of happened. However the potential risk is the plane digging into the grass and flipping

[@nickm764]

So they decided to FLY a plane to another airport to have the landing gear inspected because it was having issues...well that proves it, can't fix stupid.

[@paradoxicalcat7173]

They flew it and that was fine. The mistake was they flew it AGAIN after the ferry, and that's when they f*ked it.

[@tedsaylor6016]

The Vintage Mooneys (C-F models) are really meant for the Johnson Bar gear. The electric gear was an afterthought and there are multiple AD's (depending on model and year) on the electric system. You really want the Johnson Bar on those models.

[@SirDrifto]

We're just finding that out now Especially on the F models

[@bluemarblescience]

I put 2000 hours on an M20F and never had the first problem with the gear. This is the first gear collapse I've ever seen with a Mooney with electric gear, but I've seen several with Johnson Bars do that.

[@gabekremer7148]

​@@bluemarblesciencecorrect and the FAA has issued an SAIB stating that gear maintenance is why these issues come about

[@bluemarblescience]

@@gabekremer7148 I'm sure they may have, and it's about as useful as telling us rain makes the streets wet.

[@mrbmp09]

If a circuit breaker keeps tripping , the breaker ain't big enough.

[@hickoryridgehomestead9177]

That’s one thing I liked about the older m20 Mooneys, manual gear lever.

[@kneel1]

he said he tried cranking it down, it was too stiff and did not lock. Plus he took off with it, and never raised the gear. And had pulled the breakers that would have done it automatically (i think)

[@kmrtnsn]

Three not down and locked……..

[@mmeyers111]

ALWAYS have a an qualifiedA&P with experience with the model conduct a pre buy inspection.

[@bravo2aviation]

2:54 Mr. D: Why’d you do that? Awesome😅

[@dougfry5897]

that was a very smooth belly landing tho, glad everyone was okay

[@BeamerTheFox]

buy a moonie they says, itll be so awesome they said, im glad everyones okay.. man...

[@scotttoner9231]

Was there a background comment that the prop strike was from a previous pass, with vibration during the next pattern? Yikes.

[@paradoxicalcat7173]

The first touch'n'go they had a prop strike.

[@erintyres3609]

@@paradoxicalcat7173 That's an awful decision, much worse than deciding to fly in the first place. Why would the pilot think that the landing gear would work any better on the next approach? How could he be sure that the engine and prop would keep working long enough to do a go around? He could have ended up doing a forced landing off the airport.

[@jc7409]

So I never just relied on the light on the panel. There are the lines on the floor that need to line up with each other or the gear is not locked. First look at the green light, then look at the floor lock indicator. I have had to pop the breaker once to lower it by hand due to alternator failure (no electric). In that instance the floor lock indicator still works as a visual indicator the gear is good to go. Interested in buying a 1968 M20? I have one I would consider selling on the west coast. Always parked in hanger.

[@SirDrifto]

Johnson bar 1968?

[@jc7409]

@@SirDrifto no it is electric gear.

[@thomaskirk3548]

Every pilot get's lucky when they take a chance.. it's the good luck that's rare.

[@voornaam3191]

You KNOW the gear had a problem yesterday. Do you believe in the gear fairy?

[@thewayfaringanarchists8157]

*Low Rider by War starts playing*

[@jarrettleto]

Weird timing. I was just looking at a mooney and during log review i found out it had 5 past gear up landings. Something clearly going on with some of them.

[@lawrencemartin1113]

"Oh, hi honey. So howd'it go? You sell the Mooney?" "Nope, we crashed it though".

[@rescue270]

M20F Executive. Must have had the electric gear conversion. If one gear was not down while the other two were, then this gear was badly out of rig in addition to the electrical issue. The gear in Mooneys is entirely mechanical, older ones like this are usually operated manually with a large lever in the cockpit. There is an electric drive conversion that takes the place of the lever, and was offered as an option on new Mooneys back in the day. When properly rigged, all three gear should be in the same positions throughout the retraction cycle, unlike a Piper with hydraulic gear, where one gear may move ahead of the others during retraction. I've maintained quite a few Mooneys during my career. Many mechanics dislike them because they are tight and can be hard to work on. Once you get to know how they are built, they're not bad. I like them.

[@SirDrifto]

Do you feel the Mooney gear system is reliable?

[@rescue270]

@@SirDrifto Absolutely. I'd call it one of the most reliable gear retraction systens out there. Like anything, though, its reliability depends on how well it is maintained. The systems are easy to keep up, but there are particulars that must be adhered to for continued reliability. Downlock tensions must be checked and, if necessary, adjusted at Annual Inspection. The older manual gear models have an AD on them about it. The newer models with electric drive have a recurring AD on the electric gear actuator that puts a life limit on the "no-back clutch" spring in the emergency extension system, and that's about the only other thing to keep up with besides the downlock tensions on those. Most important for maintenance of any aircraft is to find a mechanic who is familiar enough with them to be able to keep up with their particulars. A good many genav shops are being operated by guys who retired out of military/airline positions with enough bucks to open a shop but very little in-depth knowledge of small genav airplanes. A Type Club membership will give you the resources you need to locate a competent mechanic, and he needs to become one of your best friends. All these airplanes are getting old. Some are quite old. I consider membership in a Type Club to be a necessity when it comes to older airplanes, especially those that have been orphaned by their now-defunct manufacturers, and Mooneys are about as close to being orphaned as you can get. Facebook has several very good Type Groups as well. Good luck in your Mooney Quest! They're good airplanes, a little bit less costly than other complex cross-country airplanes. Except for the M20M TLS Bravo. High strung, high-flying, temperamental thoroughbred stallion of an airplane. I have been to 25,000 ft in a TLS Bravo. You knock one of the "o"s out of "Mooney" and you've got a better name for that one...

[@leeross7896]

thats why its rotate, positive rate and then gear up.

[@R182video]

Offer to buy it with a discount (damage history) once it is repaired with a new engine, working gear and any damage fixed. You have a fresh engine and squawks fixed.

[@Metalwolf765]

Sounds like the insurance check was worth more than the sale price lol

[@crazycons]

Same situation here. I wanted to buy a Beech C33 and it landed one week prior to the purchase in France with a gear collapse. I bought the crashed plane though and ever since it is being built up again. Not the smartest decision though...

[@SirDrifto]

At least you can go through everything. And you probably got a better price too.

[@crazycons]

@@SirDrifto the overall price including the repair is higher than the purchasing price would have been. I have added a few upgrades, but overall, I am questioning my decision simply because shops are not reliable. Missing the offer by more than 50% and everybody keeps telling me that would already be good...

[@dcxplant]

This is an opportunity! A field overhaul inspection, some skin work, she's good to go. But the negotiating power that just gave you is epic! I found evidence of an undisclosed gear up landing by an older gentleman in his Beech Travel Air he was selling, and saved a ton of money. We had to fix a little bit of damage hidden under the skin repair, but it the repair was far less than the money we saved. BTW, don't buy a Mooney anyway.... super cramped inside, and only small children A&P can work in the tight engine bay. Buy something a little slower and more comfortable, YMMV.

[@SirDrifto]

You do have valid points!

[@dcxplant]

@@SirDrifto You could probably flip that Mooney. I liked it when you said "I'll give you twenty grand for it right now".

[@gabekremer7148]

Im 6'3 and fit very well in a mooney. Infact a bonanza is uncomfortable as hell. I'm also a mechanic. Working on a mooney is way easier than anything on a bonanza. Been doing it for 20 years.

[@dcxplant]

@@gabekremer7148 I’m less than 6’ tall but I have very sharp elbows 😁

[@kevindavison6019]

I came to the comments to say just that except I'd make a deal to have it all done through insurance. An engine swap new prop and proper paint on the belly or upgrade to new paint overall of my choosing at a discount from the original negotiation because it now has dammage history. Sign the purchase and sale agreement contingent on the repairs.

[@ManNomad]

"Ain't got no gas in it"

[@rossk4864]

Hot deal today; selling price slashed. A few scrapes on the belly, slightly bent prop, possible crankshaft issue, slight problem with the landing gear, but otherwise in showroom condition!

[@stevethul1]

This is one way of getting "Q" tip props.

[@richwightman3044]

It’s probably a good thing the gear folded since he floated halfway down the runway.

[@willcall9431]

Well that’s heart breaking. Looked like a nice airplane. Certainly with its age it will have squeaks but the gear not locking or gear issues are absolutely no go….

[@FlyWithFitz81]

Going on Wednesday to buy a plane. God, I pray for a different experience. Hope you got some wings with working feet.

[@postulator890]

I think Mr. Evans may have learned a lesson in the risk of deferred maintenance

[@neilsingh5311]

No mention of a prebuy inspection here. You guys were going to fly it off only with an owner test flight?

[@tireballastserviceofflorid7771]

Something like a braker for the landing gear should be checked out by a mechanic before the next flight. Kinda stupid really. You were a great pilot the second you realized it wasn't safe to fly.

[@davidclark3304]

That's a new kind of pre-buy!

[@jaywung7616]

If this an M20F with the factory electric gear, your supposed to verify the gear is down and locked by the mechanism window on the floor on every landing, NOT the gear indicator light. It sounds like the pilot had used the emergency extension mechanism which boggles my mind further as to why he flew with it

[@TheeAthis]

@2:51 lol, glad everyone was safe man, it happens.

[@UltraJoe01]

The plane is pron to rebuild (it's almost intact). Just get a reasonable discount in the price for fixing it.

[@beovp91]

My heart breaks for the owner, and hopefully the insurance will kick in and help out.

[@hawkdsl]

Hide this video!

[@n085fs]

Eff No. Screw the owners. They went ahead with the test flight hoping everything would hold just so they could sell it and walk away from it. They ought have had it PM'd or let the price be very low for unknown condition. And with the breaker already popping, the condition is less than good.

[@Darthvader-oc5tp]

⁠​⁠@@n085fsbro did you watch the video? They found the issue with the inspection and even flew it down to this airport to fix the gear problem for them. You don’t know when the plane flew last, it could’ve been sitting for a while or just had a bad landing between inspections so the owners didn’t catch it until the pre-buy inspection. Not everyone is trying to screw over everyone they meet and I’m sorry that seems to be your experience.

[@captnmack747]

Why? Why should we as the Mooney Community pay for this mistake? Obviously this gear has not been properly inspected!

[@donaldglaser7686]

@@captnmack747 Or the aircraft community in general. Premiums are going through the roof and lifelong pilots are getting forced out due to the increases.

[@realityquotient7699]

Not a pilot or aircraft mechanic here, just your average shlub who's an aviation enthusiast. Obviously it's best not to fly it at all until the problem is fixed but you said it was being ferried for repair. Surely this plane could have been flown safely despite the malfunctioning retracts? Could the pilot have verified the gear was down and locked, pinned it somehow to make sure it stayed there, then yanked the breaker? Essentially making it fixed gear?

[@easttexan2933]

well that's a big ol oops !! lol Hopefully the engine survived. Everything else is superficial. I'd be crying right now, but with all due respect, the problem of the breakers popping should have been resolved before the plane ever flew again. That's on the owner.

[@steelcitytbirds]

The gear breaker kept tripping? Make sure it is grounded. Job done. See what I did there? Hey-O!

[@samspade8612]

I'm sure it got the FAA's attention.

[@robertbriscoe-mf2tx]

Did he have three green prior to landing?

[@loualiberti4781]

Saved by the Crash.

[@MrMfaust5]

Thank God you were spared this purchase 🙏

[@SirDrifto]

Whole heartedly agree 👍

[@MarkSmith-js2pu]

I can only imagine what was being yelled as help approached.

[@HotRodsnHueys]

Is that thing really totaled?

[@justinrasmuson]

Was going to buy it, but the insurance company beat you to it. 😂

[@FT-64]

I would love to hear the conversation with the insurance agent. smh....

[@jeffploetner]

Could they have stopped the prop before landing to prevent the prop strike?

[@mrthingy9072]

You know how those Broadway dancers run at you and slide on their knees to impress the crowd? I think that plane saw one of those shows and decided to try to impress you by sliding on it's knees!

[@subvertedworld]

"So about that asking price....."

[@dudeonbike800]

I'm assuming the insurer will deny any claim. If the owner/pilot knew the gear wasn't functional, no way will an insurance company just write a check! Once this guy decided to fly anyway, it's on him.

[@dwaynewilliams2351]

Nope, insurance will 100% pay any hull damage.

[@Journeyman1642]

Dayton tn?

[@josephkaminski1857]

This is a case where the A&P I/A and the owner have to eat their crow. It is common for people to think a service bulletin is not important and not mandatory to comply with, The common misconception is Only AD's are required. Nothing could be further from the truth. While it is true SB don't rise to level of AD in annuals, they do rise to level of Mandatory for continuation of Certification for all regular maintenance. Thats because a A&P I/A certify they have complied with and performed all required Maintenace in the manufacturer maintenance manual. Every Maintenance manual states the aircraft must comply with service bulletins in order to continue Manufacturer certification. it is the Continuation of certification clause. This is because every certified aircraft carries an Agreement with manufacturer and FAA as a condition of FAA certification that there is a continuation of certification procedure for that aircraft, and in every one of those procedures the manufacturer requires the performance of all Service Bulletins that apply. So YES everyone is wrong who thinks only AD's are mandatory. This all could have been avoided if the two of them has read and complied with Service bulletin M20-344.

[@jumpinjack1]

Negative, under part FAR 91 and 43 app.D

[@josephkaminski1857]

@@jumpinjack1 This is where you are wrong. READY ? 43D states "(2) Systems and components-for improper installation, apparent defects, and unsatisfactory operation." So how do you do that? by looking at it and guessing it looks good? NO Regulations state the A&P and I/A must use the CURRENT Manufactures Maintenace manual. NOW FAA regulation Notice 8110.117A, under section 17 states that even if a SB is not related to an AD, and it stipulates changes to the continued airworthiness documents, then IT IS mandatory. for continued airworthiness inspections. . For your information the SBM20-344 I gave states " MAINTENANCE- (Refer to applicable latest FAA Approved Service and Maintenance Manual for your model) " THAT my friend invokes the rule that the ANNUAL procedure of HOW you determine the aircraft is certifiable for continued airworthiness have changed in the maintenance manual and go GET THEM. . The SB even states so in SBM20-344, IF YOU READ IT,, It states what the SB effects, and one of them is " d. Landing Gear Maintenance Annual/Inspections (gear lubrication, rigging, new hardware, properly shimmed, emergency extension). " This is because the update to the maintenance manual they made changes what and how you determine is safe operation for the annual. You are not as smart as you think you are. Don't worry you are not alone, Many people make the same mistake you make, these people did and it got them. . Typical Thinking 43 is the only rule for annuals. They get you in a round about way. By changing what the process and conditions are for approved continued airworthiness Maintenace and retuning to service. Wake up

[@jumpinjack1]

@@josephkaminski1857 Yes I read your book and admire your enthusiasm on FAR regulation in 'your' interpretation but you lost me on "you are not as smart as you think you are. Don't worry you are not alone,..." You don't know me and I don't know you but apparently your steamed about something. Remind me to never take an annual to your shop because I might as well take it apart for parts right then and there to cover your expenses. Dragging this vid into your S/B hallucination is a bit far fetched. This Mooney I believe has a chainsaw style one way ratcheting gear down cord that could have been used and possibly have prevented this failure and that was a judgement call on the 'PIC' as he has the final say on airworthiness. Take a breather and go get a beer.

[@josephkaminski1857]

@@jumpinjack1 §91.409 (a)1 invokes the use of part 43 in all annuals...Part 43.13(a) Which invokes the mandatory use of CURRENT Manufacturer Maintenance manuals, or instructions of continued airworthiness in all annuals. Even in the exception stated in. 43.16 (a) you have to use the current maintenance manual inspection of continued airworthiness instructions. .THEREFORE, Any SB that changes the Maintenance manual inspection for continued airworthiness is mandatory in a annual. ALL annuals. Even people at the FAA get this wrong. Infact many high ups do. The FAA has old web pages the misapply regulations of Service bulletins. AOPA gets it wrong they all do. . They ALL say SB can only be mandatory if called out in AD or thru a IBR or a ICA but then fail to explain to readers HOW trough this path of a updated maintenance manual an ICA actually happens. This is the path of how it can be mandatory to do a SB. A maintenance manual update or a ICA revision.

[@dukenukembubblegum7311]

So I’m selling a car, no accident history at all! Oh those airbags don’t worry about those being deployed, I just did that in case I hit something I didn’t want to have an airbag hit me

[@madscientist8286]

Aww man. Damn. :( The pretty plane. :(

[@jeffploetner]

Would a grass landing have caused less damage or that’s too dangerous?

[@doggy911]

Insurance paid more than the potential sales price. Win for the seller, not so much for the buyer.😢

[@lowdowndan]

Manual gear extension?

[@carstuff4u942]

He claimed he did in the video