Drill Music: Is it right to blame the genre for violence? BBC News

[@Armando316]

Drill music didn’t start violence but it definitely glorifies it.

[@Vertex-nm3ug]

Its like saying games glorifies violence.

[@noobmaster-mn6rr]

@@Vertex-nm3ug you cant fly like gta in life, but you can get into fights tho

[@akinibitoye7908]

Music holds a huge impact in our lives. Drill music as you said glorifies violence which in turn could make people want to join that mentality.

[@lesiom1052]

@@Vertex-nm3ug music got a different effect on you. i get goose from some music.

[@bored-in-the-house3950]

@@Vertex-nm3ug There’s a difference this is closer to home. Kids look up to these guys and feel that all they have to do to be like them is act like them. I don’t play destiny and feel like I can get a space gun and shoot aliens kiddo.

[@1poundchallenge125]

Been listening to drill for a few months now. Can confirm i have not yet killed anyone🤔

[@T.Hxrris]

1 pound Challenge haha lool

[@tommyc-f343]

Lol

[@obeb787]

Soon you will! Give it more years!

[@wrldofsara]

Not yet?

[@littleguy2498]

same bro

[@leonmorgan5659]

if you cant/dont acknowledge that drill music glorifies ,romanticizes and glamorizes these crimes then you're simply in a state of denial. the entire genre is essentially used as a mouthpiece for gangs to taunt, brag ,boast and to issue threats to rivals.it's an impossibility that it dosn't encourage violence and be a potential bad influence

[@jozixl8808]

@Heavyhead2k1 yeh cause you wanna be unique and edgy

[@jr5993]

Exactly. I feel like I shouldn't listen to it but the worldplay can be real cool.

[@purplewalrus1245]

they don't cause this behavior but some of them do encourage it

[@DMXhill]

Purple Walrus some are just their stories tho

[@DMXhill]

@Very Caned they're not trying to be role models

[@DMXhill]

@Very Caned not every kid is going to look up to them. I mean a couple of artists have said not to follow their movements etc, even if they all say that, some kids will copy no matter what.

[@elliottpowell5130]

Jacob O'C wrong if it’s not kids accountable to not do stuff after they’ve been told not too then it’s the parents responsibility to raise their child the artists aren’t responsible for your child you are

[@jsiabot3467]

Some

[@shirleypilger1705]

Music has been blamed for "corrupting" youth since I was a teen 50 years ago. The young man says the truth. i said this at a parent/teen meeting at my daughters church. The music does NOT influence, but reflects the attitudes of the youth. Censorship just makes zero sense. We need to listen, to hear, to comprehend, to understand. Or we will continue to push the youth further away, underground. Remember "Dirty Dancing?"

[@DecoyOctopus33]

Shirley pilger how can you compare dirty dancing to lyrics like ‘stick my blade in his gut, cut him, wet him up, shoot his mum in the face at the funeral, fuck his sister at the funeral, rape and stab then get cash grab sell drugs on the street stab your mum again shit’ The guy who wrote those lyrics is one of the people in the video saying the music isnt a problem

[@fluffypancakes5571]

Most people when they listen to rap music don't even pay good attention to the lyrics. The important part of lyrics in rap songs is the flow, and the sound. You could literally be saying shit that makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER and people will still listen to it

[@fluffypancakes5571]

And banning drill music will do nothing. Where do you think that the person who said "stick my blade in his gut, cut him up" learned that from? Obviously in his community. The hoods and ghettos always had big problems with a gang culture of violence, and most kids in the hood learn about violence WAY before they listen to their first drill song.

[@haroon4330]

Shirley pilger shut up grandad

[@jamesworthy1373]

DecoyOctopus33 that aint drill music he describing a murder scene

[@stopmasshysteria5757]

I think a bigger cause is no father or father figure in a lot of households. By the time a boy hits his teens he's physically a lot harder to control and discipline. Kids, especially boys in this case need a male role model and too often have no contact with meaningful older males

[@jameswhiteley6843]

Probably because drill music refers to women as little more than holes to fuck?

[@jameswhiteley6843]

Respecting them going out and carrying guns/knives to the detriment of the majority in society.

[@jameswhiteley6843]

Tony Underscore yeah a ghettoised lifestyle brought into fashion as though it’s something to aspire to be. Not my fault your people never created two story buildings.

[@painexotic3757]

No. The bigger cause is poverty, which causes family and societal problems, so people turn to gangs.

[@LeeSeanSullivan]

Denzel Washing Interview talking about this topic listen from 2min59sec, (its a short talk, should start at the right time though) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWHHdKmHmdlojqs

[@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1]

YES I am sick of tired of people claiming it is 'just expression'

[@meditationescape6399]

same

[@ostate1256]

Facts

[@noobmaster-mn6rr]

Absolute facts

[@meme_boi5546]

No

[@TitanMind1]

Meme boi is the same Wyt man to put two gangs(black) together for the to kill each other

[@jaytc3613]

Drill music is not the cause for all of the violent crime in London. But to deny that isn’t doesn’t play a factor is pure ignorance.

[@TH3N3W3RA]

Drill glamorises crime and desensitizes people to murder by calling dead people 'points'. If drill is just an expression to how some rappers live, then why do they intentionally provoke their opps and even brag about the people they've killed. It's not mere expression at that point, it's incitement.

[@paulsedyps84]

The guy with the scar on his face saying at the end "he makes music to try and influence people to do the right thing " yeah because I'm sure his lyrics are saying stuff like "do well in school go to university get a good job" ect ect

[@codesm96]

He's telling us his story, I damn well would rather hear that than your BS any day of the weak,. No one raps about what you just said, it doesn't sell and I don't think I want to listen to a nerd whose lyrics consist of that, maybe they should stick to academia or another field instead of music but many artists have said one liners like that and that's all that's needed, not whole songs about it, I want to hear about the tough shit my man went through to learn from his mistakes and his situations. If you have never listened to his music before, who are you to judge? You are already stereotyping his lyrics before you have even had a chance to hear you, at the end of the day he's just another artist in the genre, many artists are different from each other especially those who are underground and not mainstream.

[@codesm96]

@No One Give me your address and I will shut you up in person

[@sergioramos-vd9zk]

@@codesm96 here u r proving what u r.

[@codesm96]

@@sergioramos-vd9zk What am I? Go ahead and say it

[@sergioramos-vd9zk]

@@codesm96 delusional.

[@deusrex6230]

1:46 hows big man got a fresh trim but a beard like that

[@arjanpatel4895]

Is that all you’ve got to comment on? Dickhead.

[@sheggy3658]

😂😂😂😂

[@simplesimonanniepalmer4220]

@@arjanpatel4895 chill it wasn't you

[@030yk]

lmaooooo bruh

[@prodonlythejugg]

@@arjanpatel4895 shut up you’re the feet guy

[@artart6526]

Poverty and ignorance are the main causes. However, if you encourage the ignorant and poor to kill each other, do drugs and rob people through music, you'll likely increase violence with people who are already at risk. I don't understand why it's legal to essentially threaten someone's life through music and not in real life. Some of the crap in music should be considered terroristic threats.

[@painexotic3757]

Because they're targeted at other gangs and not innocent people. You really think a gang is going to sue another gang for a threat? No, they're going to keep it in the streets.

[@jaronmeshileichenbaum9934]

Art Art i need my food stamps to feed mah kids

[@fluffypancakes5571]

LMAOOOOOOOO

[@ayotwisted]

Dumbass

[@GodmadeTrends]

Well said

[@kodenano3487]

The problems were already there but drill is definitely inflaming them.

[@yohaijohn]

"We cant get a job" Right.

[@Flyingwithoutmings]

yohai how come I managed to get a job and all these dickheads can’t? They bang on about not being able to get a job and they don’t even try, waste of space

[@Flyingwithoutmings]

just juggy fully agree with you mate, don’t agree with what I said 7 months ago at all

[@jsiabot3467]

Jack Docherty because you white male. Shits easy for you. Now shut up

[@edmondfinucane5506]

@@jsiabot3467 wow not true at all. Some White drill music artists use the same petty excuse also. They don't concentrate in school and drop out with no education

[@popupoo7]

They have too much pride to say "look guys, I'm not feeling this "acting tough life" anymore, I'm going to get a job. They can't do it😂 they find it "cringe" but it comes back to bite them in the future as it should.

[@hassuleyman8383]

Can't believe the denial in the comment section, do you people even listen to drill ? "when I shank man up I tear through the guts, man stabs for the kill" "Man got splashed and died and I dnt feel sorry for his mum" "I put flick knives in necks, Rambo knives in chests" Awww how cute, there just playing Yutes have been killed because of certain comments said in certain tunes There is yutes out there who wna stab up a few opps quickly just so they can brag bout it, make a few bangers, get a rep, make money of the views and become a drillstar. Trident and Cids actually listen to some drill in order to follow patterns and prevent incidents and learn who is beefing who. YES the music is not the cause but if you wna act like it doesn't have any negative influence on young people then you just ain't being real

[@Sjwatts]

Exactly man, this genre is complete dogshit I just don't get it

[@infinitememes8779]

Has Suleyman but its a way out for certain man who r on road to hop off and go mainstream and make lagit p

[@hassuleyman8383]

Infinite Memes ye defo, if they make it then good for them, but drill music exacerbates the problem for sure. When people say it’s nothing to do with it they just lying. Drill music comes on the scene then same time hella stabbings happening. Ye course when I was younger mandem were getting poked up but not like this and not as frequent, and not so they can brag bout it In a drill tune. Same time I hear you but this whole we just innocent talking bout our surroundings ain’t real. Music influences people in a big way, I ain’t saying ban it but I ain’t saying it’s got nutin to do with increase in stabbings

[@infinitememes8779]

Has Suleyman i hear what u mean my g but ngl i kno more man that have been poked up and killed coz of insta lives snap stories then drill tunes i think drill rappers should be able to talk about moving packs and past of thier lives but i think dissing opps in tunes is the only bad thing about drill tunes if they stopped dissing opps then drill is ban proof but media always try and find something to blame so even if drill improves they will definitely find something else to blame which is bullshit they r blaming instead of taking action why did no one complain wen they increased police searches because it was reasonable why did no one complain wen they increased the sentence of carrying a blade its because that was all reasonable and understandable it was also government taking action but the reason everyone is complaining now is because it is clear that the media are doing nothing but blaming

[@hassuleyman8383]

Infinite Memes ye real talk my bro Fuck the media! Polluting the masses with propaganda and their sick agendas. Hopefully we all get thru this mad virus ting and shit sorts it self out. Stay safe stay healthy 💪🙏

[@jainck4]

This has been going on for years. It was dub, it was rock 'n roll; it was theatre; it was performance art; it was the blues; it's jazz; and you name it; it is art that is challenges the status quo. Muzzle the things that matter. It's just as specious and easy to pass on the blame as it was hundreds of years ago. Blame the music; blame the artist. There is no simple solution. The MPs and governments who produce this hell that people live in. It's easier to pretend people are things. Then you can dismiss them. Easier to ignore it than to do something about it.

[@meme_boi5546]

The problem is drill legitimately condones violence. It’s a cool genre but still

[@user-fo9lw3pq8l]

Nope. Not the same thing. Jazz, rock, or any other genre that you have mentioned does not have the quality of glorifying violence, threats, and murders. With street drill it is just that. Mostly about violence.

[@joedav67]

@@user-fo9lw3pq8l Ozzy Osbourne

[@crazyredfoxes]

@@joedav67 Ozzy isnt jazz, nor blues. Nor an entire genre for that matter.

[@devendrasharma5140]

Okay, if you want to blame violence on music then you are demented just like how parents from the 1950's blamed rock music for childern using drugs violence on the other hand has been around forever way before any of the music that uses it as a form of expression okay you must learn how to separate reality from what you hear and see in the music that is the real problem that is why people blame certain genre's for violence instead of taking responsibilities for their actions.

[@gelbsucht947]

AJ P oh, yeah, all that wonderful diversity that looks suspiciously like a one way street. We take your good stuff and in return you get our crap.

[@nordscan9043]

Music conditions you, whether you like it or not.

[@metalrockstarizer89]

Did Elvis Presley threatened to kill Frank Sinatra through his music because he was “lame and boring” name one rock n roll song that talked about “killing another band group because they’re posers” that’s the difference. Back then it was sex and drugs. Now it’s gang banging and extortion.

[@jackcrook727]

Do people not realise, the more they try to stop drill, artist will find ways around it and even if it did stop all together gang beef wouldn't stop and people would still kill their ops

[@recklessrobotakamrsavage2x802]

Every body act like Drill music began in London which is wrong . The term came from Chicago from a dude that goes by the name of pac man and king Louie and I feel like people never give these men credit. Drill is not London or NY. Drill is a Chicago thing.

[@User6666_]

I hate when people think drill came from london when it didn't if it wasn't for pacman, chief keef and other chicago artist drill wouldn't exist

[@iennternet]

The music clearly glorifies violence But If they stopped making drill would this reduce violence in these communities? I’m on the fence, win me over to your side.

[@elliottpowell5130]

I am Backwards Music drill can cause violence with disses but that can be done over social media as well as drill so it’s no different banning it will make it worse

[@brendanakers7294]

just juggy that is so true just like in America with gangster rap in the early 90s when it first came out upper middle class Americans from clean safe communities who where usually white accused it of causing violence and tried to censor it but they never considered that it was really just a expression of a sad culture of violence and drugs abuse that existed in urban impoverished minority neighborhoods since the 60s

[@iennternet]

Brendan Akers I guess they should only take it down if it’s illegal or against youtube terms of service

[@trickifichd2939]

It’s clear as broad day light these drill music videos create the beef sending for each other..

[@jsiabot3467]

I am Backwards Music poverty is an issue.

[@user-ej3jy6eg6h]

Art imitates life. Life imitates art.

[@bigceazer]

i'm tired of people dancing around this subject and defending this type of music. it glorifies violence period. of course it should be blamed.

[@makenoisenigeria5935]

Violence existed before drill music you know. Poverty and ignorance are the main causes of violence

[@straightwhitemale6609]

@@makenoisenigeria5935 yeah but drill is glorifying it and provoking opps

[@qbantz]

Na it’s not it’s just a reflection of what is actually going on in the real world , it’s an escape from that life because think about it when they focus on the music they are not on the streets where all this “crime goes on” etc. But if drill is banned they turn to the streets because there is no help and way out, the only way out is through the music. 👀

[@anonymoust2877]

@@qbantz its defo not a reflection they rap about drills and chinging mandem even if sum drill rappers get to daves level the authenticity of drill is violence so honestly music dont help dem jump of road in fact all da fame they get encourages it jus look at SJ but hey im a big fan of drill music so it is wat is

[@PHTV11]

It's not per say 'the cause of violence' but it sure perpetuates it, bunch of gang members talking about chinging opps aint innocent in any sense of the word. The whole focus of drill is based around that.

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

Of course it's fair to blame them for it. It's a genre that's made entirely by criminals.

[@alisajjad4591]

Avid drill and Atlanta trap listener here. Most rappers actually brag about killing instead of having a story about it. Also, many innocent wannabe drill rappers get killed because they made diss tracks on actual crews that murder.

[@codesm96]

They're not innocent if they are looking to start beef with established gangs, that's just plain stupid. Quite a few dumb artists who get too caught up in situations that could have been avoided, many who unfortunately become victims of incidents that they couldn't do much about either but not a reason to censor the music genre as a whole.

[@tylers9578]

As a black teenager i kinda agree with this the music has spread the violent culture

[@indie-cloud]

I mean, I’m not depressed because I listen to Radiohead, I listen to Radiohead because it pertains to depression. I think this music just reflects what they’re seeing and feeling. It should be taken as a sign of something more deeply wrong on a societal scale.

[@ARTW1234]

well said!

[@heretic5116]

Clueless

[@modigabdi503]

Censorship huh. I thought they shared our first right to freedom of speech. That's not a sign of democracy to suppress the voice of the people regardless of what or how it can be interpreted

[@modigabdi503]

Aehabitat / I wonder what's "filling up" your head. Air? People can be influenced to dress a certain way, not kill. That's when common sense should kick in.

[@modigabdi503]

Aehabitat / African people tend to harm one another it doesn't matter where and they don't need much of a reason. If you want to get real.

[@jameswatson5807]

But these young men don't have common sense, I agree with Censorship in this case because these young men will diss each other in drill music videos. And kill each outer over a diss, you and I both know as black men many of us don't walk away from a diss. Someone near where I live died, just because he was friends to a guy that made a diss track.

[@jameswatson5807]

You are 100% right about that, sad but true.

[@elliottpowell5130]

James Watson then snapchat and Instagram should be banned as well cos they can diss each over those dissing someone in a drill song is not different than dissing someone over snapchat and Instagram they use drill as their main source a income so to get out of that life so they don’t have to make illegal money cos in those unprivileged areas opportunities are very limited banned makes things worse I agree with censoring the disses but not drill altogether and the disses are now.censored and the tracks that have disses that aren’t censored get taken down not every drill track is diss track only a few

[@ianfarquharson3772]

First it was Rock N Roll,later hip hop now Drill. It's pathetic saying this causes violence!!!!!!

[@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1]

Ian - Another delusional apologist who is denying the OBVIOUS; LISTEN TO THE LYRICS IDIOT

[@JFP1988]

False equivalence, rock and roll and early hip hop did not have violent lyrics about stabbing people, shanking people and dehumanizing women. Also many rappers are affiliated with gangs and are quite open about this.

[@lesiom1052]

you have never been on the streets

[@joedav67]

@@JFP1988 Instead it had lyrics called misogynistic and satanic

[@Seeofsnakes]

It promotes violence and a lot not all but a lot off raps talk about gang violence and provoke it 🤷🏾‍♂️ I’m a drill fan btw but your lying to yourself

[@bfjhaslfjfjsabfbsjfasfbsfb431]

Waffler.

[@thoughtfulthoughts4645]

@@bfjhaslfjfjsabfbsjfasfbsfb431 Kinda true. Drill is just dead anyways

[@popupoo7]

Ofc they are. They're insecure with themselves and theres multiple causes for the insecurity. So what do these young men try and do? Act "hard" act like they know how to get through life but they don't have a clue. Even the slang these days is just there so if they use it, they feel included in society. It's actually quite sad that they need this persona just to feel something.

[@m31vin]

I'd say the environment influences music not the other way round. Drill and any other kind of music is a portrait of the artist's reality.

[@davidlu7245]

So you have no control to change your own reality??

[@nodruj8681]

Many middle class black kids act like there from end making that type of music so no the music affects the environment just as the other way round

[@lesiom1052]

@@nodruj8681 music got a big mad effect on kids. if the kid raised in a healthy family but if he is alone with his phone he listens to drill and get motivated to be like the enviroment.

[@angelwilliams8965]

@@lesiom1052 If a kid is raised in a healthy family, then the chances of the kid being motivated to be like his environment is extremely low because he was raised right. Kids who are motivated by music to do senseless things are most likely the result of bad parenting. It starts with the parents.

[@lesiom1052]

@@angelwilliams8965 not always there are some kids with a family like the father is hard working and the mother doing her best to raise the kid with heart but the enviroment of the kid after the kid goes out is extremly important and most of kids in UK listening drill. Every kid got different character some are getting influenced by the music to do stuff he shouldnt do.

[@zsfreestyles2007]

Nah rap never glorified shooting, drugs, stealing, unemployment and violence.

[@syukwan-kerr8118]

I think that was sarcasm.

[@amaya8227]

I think this guys been radicalised

[@ibk7520]

Drill actually gives me more confidence on the streets and in school

[@unknown_user2441]

Same

[@straightwhitemale6609]

@@fijipump4055 man your wet

[@ig1948]

This fully reminds of when the FBI tried to stop the rise of "gangster rap" coming from Compton and hoods all over America in the 80s-90s, when rap started to change from being non lyrical, non violent street dance music to being about the thug life or even lyrical and speaking about poverty and racism in America. The police tried to silence rappers as they didn't want white people to start liking this new genre of music that until that point had only been famous among black people in the hood. They fully tried to shut down rap groups and blamed them of promoting violence and using music to support criminal activity from one rival gang to another, but it quickly became famous and they weren't able to shut it down and here we are 20 years later, and the government in the UK is trying to silence a relatively new music genre that is slowly becoming popular worldwide and until around 2014 was only famous around London estates. This is the exact same story.

[@dinitis]

Yes. It is right. Being a symptom of something never absolves accountability and responsibility

[@mohssinhussain504]

Drill is a form of expression just like any other type of music. The government needs to stop making excuses for an environment of violence and drugs that they are to blame for. Babies aren't born wanting to stab people, their surroundings define them and that's the government's fault for not having a suitable support network to help these kids out of poverty and away from drugs.

[@meditationescape6399]

Yes poverty feeds into it but why must that lead to violence towards each other. I grew up poor but my morals would not allow me to be violence towards another person . the issues is deeper than poverty we missing core values

[@winkybinx]

Ones surroundings don't define them , but the environment absolutely can influence them in their development in a negative or positive way.

[@Chuk-d]

If u think the music 🎶 doesn’t play a role then u are foolish.

[@tuggah1235]

Shut up lad

[@infinitememes8779]

Stephen Chuk-d ur gay

[@msmjsiajdgdhsjajahgshsjaje8990]

I’ve been listening to drill and I can confirm I have not stabbed, shot or killed anyone

[@topshotta_walahi_killer-da651]

Stfu

[@robertreynolds6877]

some peoplehere thinking they're woke likely live in nice areas and aren't anywere near where the violence happens. People don't understand especially in hood, young kids look up to these drill rappers because they are in a way spokespeople for their own experiences. As a result, these musicians create this false of financial and social success through a lifestyle of gangbanging. Often times young males see them as role models because they see these rapper getting women, and they figure they'll get women too if they adopt the same mentality. The music isn't the main cause but it most definitely contributes in different ways. Lot of people here don't understand the dynamics of the hood.

[@thevoiceofreason9773]

The biggest artist in the world just did a drill song

[@mK-fy6wx]

Bit of a stretch calling it that tho init

[@trustoriakhi5786]

mK 33 trust me 😂😂😂😂but he did spit on a drill beat and it did do numbers

[@livvy435]

It was shit tho🤣🤣😭

[@beautyswithin6248]

Drake always talks about guns and killing etc but does it in a way that doesn't sound as raw. But the message is the same, more affective actually. That's one of the reasons I don't like drake. He's more brainwashing than 67 etc.. In numerous ways. Violence, sex (lust), I could go on..

[@clydefrog50]

Ed Sheeran?

[@martinusv7433]

REAL music does not cause violence....but this rubbish isn't music, but a glorification of all the deranged sickness that can be witnessed daily on the streets. Just like in USA, these kinds of "musicians" have only two options in their lives - either becoming rich as a violent gangster, or becoming rich as a non-violent gangster through this "music". In other words, these rappers are simply potential criminals who have found success in a more or less legitimate business, otherwise, they would also run around the streets with knives, guns, and drugs. There is no moral superiority involved, whatsoever, simply they get the money through this legitimized expression of gangland culture.

[@trippyy2767]

It isn't the influence and glorification of UK drill causing knife crime. It's the influence and glorification of Gang Culture. Outsiders looking in get it confused cuz they only see UK drill as it's been documented and televised. The long term beefs n bigger issues are hidden from public views -- that's where the issue lies.

[@nordscan9043]

... No.

[@bbz10]

And what glorifies gang culture more than anything... Music. Whether it being some old school hip-hop from Compton or UK Drill from Streatham, they relate in very many ways, one being gang culture.

[@ZCBeats1]

Short answer, no. Long answer, no.

[@BobbyG077]

Long answer, nooooooooooooo.

[@soulmellow338]

The answer is yes

[@TrueCrimeReport]

The question is does music influence young impressionable minds? the answer is yes.

[@jsiabot3467]

It does but it’s not making them kill

[@tylerjeynes223]

Been listening to drill for years can confirm I’ve never wanted to kill or join a gang

[@topshotta_walahi_killer-da651]

That is cap

[@topshotta_walahi_killer-da651]

@@tylerjeynes223 bro that life is too toxic

[@Finlan_32]

"Drill music has no influence" - says man with stab wound scar on face.

[@pavannair6469]

@christopher Loughran yh but it's not drill music that influenced that

[@infinitememes8779]

christopher Loughran you would get blammed just for saying that and that has nottin to do with drill tunes

[@milkykid8053]

The thing with this is yes - drill music does inspire the youth as I have seen people who really don’t live that life claiming that’s them because they got into drill music. However you can’t put all knife/gun violence down to drill. If it wasn’t about the gang violence would still be around and as big a problem as it is. Just the government looking for something to point the finger at for the countries problems. If they didn’t make those crazy cuts the youths would have more options/things to do.

[@Matty1800]

Im all for music I like rap and trap music, but when drill music blew up in Chicargo so did the gun violence rate and death toll, now drill has died down abit its gone down abit, whoever doesnt think music influences the youth obviously hasnt been around the younger generation and needs to get to grips with reality

[@Matty1800]

just to add onto my comment, cheerful music makes you want to dance and feel good, why wouldnt violent music make you want to do violent stuff? it works both ways

[@NOTwowitsphil]

Happened to NWA happened to Drill and it’ll happen again

[@SEPTA.Miles-7235]

No we should not blame through music for the violence that's going on. It's the people who choose to partake in the violence

[@mikehunte2087]

It’s an insult to call that music

[@PapaSeed]

It has a big influence

[@randomgaminghd5536]

Might as well blame Chicago

[@mps2112]

This genre is somewhat similar to hip hop and a lot of rap. It's raw and hard and if the media can't handle it don't listen to it and KZbin shouldn't censor it

[@crazyredfoxes]

it's not exactly about the media, entirely. It's also about the cops picking up dead kids off pavements, the ambulance worker wondering what he could have done to save that life, the social workers too. It's also about the mother who was passing with her kid, as the knife plunged in. It's also about the kids parents being sent a song where an opp is expressing his good fortune to be having some kid to sing hs victories about. etc etc... Society is bigger, a lot bigger than just the media.

[@kaypee1370]

Drill is basically ride out music. Let’s be honest. People like it. It gets people adrenaline going when listening to it & makes them feel pumped. Think about it.. Am I wrong?

[@mlmaharaj]

Poverty, education and lack opportunities and positive role models are the biggest factors with crime. The easy way out for powers that be for their failure is blame the music/culture/social media although a small minority this may influence their actions. Removing it just prevents a way of telling their story

[@soulmellow338]

They're not telling a story though

[@meditationescape6399]

They're glorifying violence and that's very different

[@joedav67]

@@meditationescape6399 Was Grand Theft Auto glorifying violence? How about Rambo?

[@breaking3837]

In my humble opinion Drill music is NOT the cause of the violence, although some Drill tunes I’ve heard could possibly intensify already standing disputes. From the ‘Teddy Boys’, the Football hooligans, the old English gangsters i.e the Krays/Richardsons etc, the Prolific Bank Robbers of the Eighties violence has always been here. Cuts to the police and very limited opportunities don’t help.

[@DaPlasticPaddy]

OK, sing a song about a rival. Rival gets angry and kills the original song maker. It’s pathetic.... Seems these kids need to learn how to take disrespect better. It’s called “being the bigger man” can’t help but assume those kids are fatherless as that’s where you learn things like this. In my opinion it’s due to single parent households. Am I wrong?

[@codesm96]

Yes you are wrong, plenty of two bit thugs from decent backgrounds and both parents but since both parents are not really role models and have broken their relationship with their children they go off and do this. Many people who have no parents and taken into foster care as well. Many people with terrible mother as a single parent who have pushed their father out of their life on purpose. There is so many different reasons and different upbringings many of these kids have, most of it less than ideal but not all of them are single parent households. So you can't just blame that one issue and act like if that was sorted then everything will be alright because that simply isn't true. Some people want to be bad people. Some are caught up in a situation and get stabbed through no fault of their own. You need to learn about each individual situation and learn about the people closely before you can start dishing out solutions that may help. For example, you will NEVER be able to solve the issue of single parent households, not possible. What punish people for having children out of wedlock or for divorce etc??? No way and even if you did that would not improve things a bit in practice, still a similar amount of people getting involved in the same shit even if there is a father etc because they can't control them so there is not point even mentioning it

[@blayde752]

Banned drill music is now on Pornhub... Jeez.

[@maykolee]

I blame Islam

[@mezzaninex]

maykolee As an American I feel I should apologize to you for the Islam problem. Our dumbass Government are the ones who destabilized the entire Middle East and created the immigration crisis. So on behalf of the US, I am sorry.

[@allahwithmeneverbedeprived3494]

Islam is peace but most terrorest governments are westhern . You guys are sick , go and learn aomething about islamic religion. But think what all these things happening is with out religion😆😆

[@maykolee]

Mustafa Abdurrahman kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZuqhaB5oLpsi5o lol the religion of peace

[@allahwithmeneverbedeprived3494]

maykolee Lol you don't hve any idea about islamic religion apart from westhern social media propoganda . Ignorance has no excused " Its peace religion and its procted from heavy "Allah" But you guys do some research you'll know what is islamic oky

[@maykolee]

Mustafa Abdurrahman Islam is oppression kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWOUdXhnaL6Bebc why are these beautiful women forced to wear something they don’t want to?

[@osas5211]

I’d say like any music it fuels the emotion that’s already there. If you are heated and you listen to it, it will only feed your anger. It’s more of a workout genre to fight with your worst enemy; yourself

[@nordscan9043]

No, we get intoxicated on music. It puts feelings there that weren't there. Makes us behave in a way we normally wouldn't behave. It's called being conditioned.

[@angelwilliams8965]

@@nordscan9043 If you are conditioned by music you are weak minded.

[@joedav67]

@@nordscan9043 You know literally nothing about conditioning

[@makenoisenigeria5935]

Violence existed before drill music you know. It doesn’t influence people at all. It just reflects their attitude

[@soulmellow338]

This promotes all of the bs though

[@Krwler]

I think the people defending this music are actually disrespecting black people. The reasons I’ve seen here are: poverty, fatherless homes, and nothing else to do. Is that how you see black people and culture in the UK? Are there any other reasons for knife crime?

[@DEEORM]

Exactly sir 🙏🏾

[@xcvii4741]

It doesn’t encourage violence it just exposes the violence and crime that is already happening that every chooses to ignore and sweep under the carpet

[@mikehunte2087]

It does encourage violence by making it acceptable to stab and shoot people

[@TheeKaylaMarieOne]

It is storytelling and telling these kinds of truths will always start some shit. I can see both sides of the argument but the death and loss of life within drill artists is proof of the tongue being mightier than the sword.

[@tylerr5121]

Anyone in High school especially in poorer areas can see the effect drill music on young people. 13 year olds getting arrested, teenagers getting stabbed. Poor kids see this “road” lifestyle as a way out from their bad lives but it is the opposite. It is submitting yourself to getting stabbed or going to prison over a postcode or over drugs.

[@OliverGreen2Real]

This is an old conversation, way back they used to say nwa, Eminem , 50 etc glamorised guns and killing but it all comes down to the person not the music

[@codesm96]

Real all three of the acts you mentioned, NWA, Em and 50 have all rapped about popping caps from their gats into their enemies and getting into beef rolling with their crews but we understand they were telling stories about how rough life can be in the hood of LA, Detroit and New York growing up as well Hip-hop is better for it arguably people being introduce into a dark side of life by people who did their best to make music and be successful to get out of there but never forgot where they came from.

[@Gofindyourselves]

Anyone saying drill aint a cause of street violence you cant be from the streets, im not saying its the main cause but it is definetly adding fuel to the fire, it stirs things up even more....such things as calling out other gangs or throwing up the other gangs sign with a gun meaning kill, or going to the other gangs blocks, its also like a game now days "check the scoreboard", and when the youngers underneath them are watching these vids talking about cheffing opps and shooting opps what do you think is gna happen? like i said its not the main cause but it defo aint helping and is defenetly stirring things up.

[@uknowwhoiam5916]

It's not a cause, but its a influence for the young generation as it does glamorise such activity

[@cookieking1996]

It’s such a baseless claim to say that “drill is just an escape route”. Oh yeah? An escape route? Is that how you “escape” by reminding yourself of all the things that you’re supposed to be escaping from, like violence, drugs, guns etc?

[@woden3894]

Music isn't responsible, culture is. Music is just an outlet for ones own culture. Death Metaller's sing about serial killers and mass murder, but so far there hasn't been any who have become serial killers or mass murderers. That's because the lyrics are more symbolic of lonely youth feeling outcasted from society. On the other hand Drill or Gangster rape is synonymous with mainly black youth who are predominantly in gangs, commit crime, deal drugs and commit post code territorial violence. We need to stop blaming the music and instead start blaming the culture and start asking why this culture exists.

[@michaelfontaine9202]

As long as they are only killing each other.

[@Flyingwithoutmings]

Michael Fontaine hopefully they’ll pick each other off til they’re gone

[@loafer898989]

Drill music definitely has a part to play for the violence. Of course they are glamorizing guns and violence, its not wrongfully blamed at all. How many people from gangs do the so called drill music, how many stabbings have been caused by drill music?

[@linasuleman5327]

I thought the connection was pretty obvious..

[@uyogi2373]

Rock, metal, and now this causes violence? The media’s wack. Music has nothing to do with violence.

[@JogBird]

'Drill' music?? thats new to me, i must be getting old

[@AmorrSummerstorm]

JogBird yh, gangsta rap is for ole people it seems

[@goldfinga786able]

JogBird yes it's when u carry drills.. And make music wid it

[@zainabshahid6254]

Trap Music in other words

[@blackham7]

JogBird It's not even really music it's just loud noise and people trying to look hard on a council estate.

[@unknowndrillin3705]

JogBird best music on earth

[@zayn2476]

Everyone knows music can influence your mood and feelings, why is this even a debate? They call it an escape yet when they make it big and make money, they’re still involved with the crime

[@stevenpoole7235]

There's never a single answer. The massive cuts to youth services, family breakdowns, loss of personal and social responsibility, proper investment in housing services, the welfare loop etc. But, it does glamorise the violent lifestyle in a way that appeals to kids which perpetuates it, and it's easy to mimic since it's so relatable, unlike other media such as movies.

[@SHHB]

The music is not the entirely the source of this problem in society. It is a reflection of the problems and it perpetuates the problems by glamourising the situation

[@0ut1and3r]

A lot of artists are being told to put out particular kinds of music. Signing these contracts really take away their artistic freedom.

[@averyhaywood8257]

The Ting Goes Quack Quack Quack Boom, Ya Don Now.

[@rubbish9231]

Not hot

[@bxb268]

Random comments like this are just weird

[@belbel6516]

Deffo American

[@tuggah1235]

@@bxb268 do u not get it lmao

[@bxb268]

@@tuggah1235 what do I not get? explain it to me genius

[@n0ddy6]

YOU CAN NEVER CENSOR THE YOUTH, THEY ARE THE FUTURE, LONG LIVE ART AND FREE SPEECH

[@adambg02]

I think the music people listen to has no influence on their activities as if someone wants to be violent, they have made a continuous decision to be violent

[@nordscan9043]

Keep telling yourself that.

[@Im177644]

2:33 man getting bunned by 2pac from behind 😂

[@tuggah1235]

Omg looool

[@gdmix8670]

And also, when it comes to gangs producing the drill vids and shit, ppl need to realise that it's between gangs, and gangs aren't targeting civilians, it's all gang rivalry.

[@luja9811]

Stop censoring art

[@thomasamos9756]

Inequality, government ineptitude and general inadequacy can be blamed for a rise in knife crime. Drill music is a symptom

[@codesm96]

Real

[@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1]

SHOW ME ONE DRILL ARTIST THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD

[@A1un9ine]

SHOW ME ONE KILL ON INJURY CAUSED BY MUSIC OR TO BE SPECIFIC “DRILL”

[@seeeesh2959]

Karma, V9 homerton, bandokay

[@A1un9ine]

@@seeeesh2959 ahliiiiieeeeee

[@seeeesh2959]

@@A1un9ine there is alot more💀 half the ppl on drill are verbalists

[@A1un9ine]

@@seeeesh2959 I kno g more and more let me give you a big one TRIZZZZLLLLAAAAAA

[@dj.11n56]

Did I really just hear a scouse driller?😂😂😂

[@zohaibchaudhri]

1. If you don’t talk like you’re from the ENDZ “laiiike dis yoo kno-ooo” and you work hard at school then you’re called a “neek”. 2. If you’re a gentleman then you’re a “simp”. So it’s fashionable to “pretend” to be a certain way because they think people (especially females) will like it, but the reality is they DON’T. This is because of peer pressure. Have to be better than that.

[@UYZmagazine]

drill and trap music are low key basically a new wave of heavy metal and rock music with 808s!

[@elexir3352]

Drill has just good beat, thats why i like it

[@BlizardMedia]

Sadiq Khan loves the urban climate of London.

[@jaronmeshileichenbaum9934]

Blizard Media thats why hes so far away from it

[@alastairwalls8445]

What's annoying is that the people who are blaming the people and their music haven't visited the area or spoken to the people.

[@Aboog11]

Drill music is the cause of the uptick of violence. Stop being naive

[@blackbird4062]

No feminism is the culprit. It started everything especially the abolition of the 'gentleman'

[@jameswhiteley6843]

There's many deliberate cultural factos breaking down our society. Feminism is one of many cancers.

[@trustoriakhi5786]

JAMES WHITELEY let me ask you 2 questions? Would you honestly go to black guy on the road and tell them half the shit you’ve been chatting on the net to their face? 2. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?

[@ashishsh2859]

RCPRO B ..........

[@shirliwilliams7737]

Drill has been a thing for 2 seconds, how long has violence been on the streets. Drill talks about the sammee things all other rap talks about, just with different slang

[@davidrojo8557]

the song that got me into drill was crash by 410

[@Editzz2024]

Drill is making music it's to tell people about there estate and it stops them from gang life ain't it better than just cheffing up random youth

[@mitrageniecolimited5360]

Streets and music is “not” two different things... music glamourises the violence and lifestyle... attracting younger aduiencies toward that lifestyle... the two work in synergy...

[@jsiabot3467]

Not true. It just desensitises it, it doesn’t make kids go out there and kill. I listen to it all the time and I’m completely against knife crime

[@ajg8600]

No

[@sirexcellent5310]

It definitely causes violence

[@BumFluffer1999]

Drill music is cathartic. People don’t live what they rap, they rap what they live. It’s an outlet to curve violent tendencies. I guarantee you if people weren’t rapping about hoping their opps got cheffed, they’d use that time to actually chef their opps down.

[@crazyredfoxes]

Or get bored, and get educated. Ohh the ifs...

[@commendatori1]

No it does not and for many it is an outlet to express themselfs and for certain talented people a way off the streets and out of the hood being able to chase their dreams.. without it there would be more violence on the roads..

[@jameswatson5807]

You cannot be serious, you know that people will kill over being dissed in drill music.

[@commendatori1]

James Watson Yes you are right but it is a very small number being killed for that reason only. There are many different factors for why there is violence and killing on the streets.. but banning music videos will make no difference to these issues.. Post code wars will still continue regardless..i think it keeps more people out of trouble then in.. it has been a positive thing for many people, has given them a foucus and a way out of poverty.

[@bbanks4351]

Nik Raval I agree with u that is a way out but our youth are getting influenced by this shit

[@jameswatson5807]

No way it causes more trouble and you know it, last year august an 18 year old was killed over a diss track, just because he is friends with the guy who made the diss track. I doubt if it was some one close to you that got killed, over this you would not be saying this is positive. Does not matter if it is a small amount of people getting killed over this a life is still a life, that person will be missed. The problem is does lie with us black men we should pullout quick, so we don't have kids with these rachet black women then run off. The same thing as well when some black men have kids with white women they run off, these mixed race boys 99% always follow the black crowd and end up the same way as these black boys. These women cannot raise these men, most end of criminal or gangs. These young black men do not care they don't mind taking a life over diss, and ending up in prison.