Drinker's Chasers - Everyone In Ahsoka Is An Idiot

From Thrawn to Sabine to Hera, nearly every character in Ahsoka is a complete moron who makes the worst decision in every situation and somehow manages to be smug about it.

[@Havic1137]

You guys just don't understand Filoni's genius regarding Hera. Her storming in to situations abusing her authority rather than wits or skill, saying "I'm a general I'm a general" to shout down any pushback, getting people killed, and then mysteriously not getting fired is the most realistic depiction of women like Kathleen Kennedy in a workplace that I've ever seen.

[@jasongrundy1717]

Except it's Hera's job to task forces, not the council's and tasking a tiny handful of troops to potentially stop an invasion was the right thing and the council is just insane.

[@pure-blood17]

Best analogy ever....well played.

[@steveouk90126]

Hera: "I'm a general!" Person in charge: "Not anymore. Your incompetence now has such a track record that the council has unanimously voted to revoke your commission and dismiss you from service (the officer equivalent of a Dishonorable Discharge). The MPs will now escort you to correctional custody to await court-martial for your violations."

[@nont18411]

“I am a GENERAL! I AM A GENERAL! I AM A GENERAL DOCTOR HAN!”

[@1milliondogs]

As drinker often says, ' A character can only as smart as the person writing them'

[@vladpiranha]

Star Wars has become as stupid and dorky as our childhood bullies always made it out to be. That's the worst part.

[@ephraimwinslow]

And in an irony of ironies? Those same bullies & mean girls are now self-professed fans of what it's become. (Is that depressing, or hilarious? Bit of both? Call it deprarious?)

[@celozzip]

always has been

[@chasehedges6775]

@@celozzip No, it wasnt. It was made for children and adults and had good storytelling but now that Modern Disney has it….

[@quatore-5886]

And they are buying it now because they've never seen good science fiction

[@SkintSNIPER262]

No, it started going down hill when George Lucas gave Filoni free reign to do whatever he wanted. Some of the best Star Wars writers quit Lucasfilms because Filoni was ruining all their work.@@chasehedges6775

[@timberry4709]

"Everyone In Ahsoka Is An Idiot" It's kinda hard for TV/movie characters to be smarter than the writers.

[@baxter1252]

Writer. Ahsoka has one writer, Dave Filoni.

[@bdleo300]

Made by idiots, for idiots... not sure why people even watch that cr4p.

[@Veylon]

They should be. The writer has weeks or months to come up a plan or witty rejoinder that the character supposedly thought of in a flash. The writer can research and hold brainstorming sessions. They problem isn't that the writers are dumb, it's that they think they're too clever to need to do the boring bits.

[@nicklegos]

Incorrect. They have about 4-6. Dave is the narrative writer, but not the individual episode writer@@baxter1252

[@donaldfarquar]

I always assumed everyone in Star Wars since a new hope was a bit autistic with a bit of brain damage.

[@Costas22]

The Sabine actress is so awful it's ridiculous. She sees Ahsoka die: no emotion. She reconnects with Ezra after many years: no emotion. She sees Ahsoka alive: no emotion. Good grief. A plank of wood would have shown more feelings.

[@chasehedges6775]

She’s soooo bad but at least she’s attractive

[@visitingforgefather5997]

The plank of wood would have been refused since it overqualified for any of the roles.

[@Soseman]

She is either a bad actress or she was instructed to act like this. I mean Ashoka isn't any better in this show and I wouldn't call Rosario Dawson a bad actress.

[@Zac_Frost]

A gust of wind would shown more emotion.

[@DavidWalker1987]

Its not her. The mannerisms she portrayed in the short interactions she has had with Ezra are spot on. What they havent had is actual dialogue with any depth to them. Ep6 finished with the two of them reuniting, ep7 comes along, she reappears after having a nap and Ezra repeats what shes told him off screen between the episodes - why are their interactions off screen? why is ezra telling us what theyve discussed, show dont tell etc etc.

[@ofaquir]

Love how the witches can somehow locate Ahsoka in space, in the middle of a field of debris but for like 15 years they couldn't find Ezra in their own planet. Then Sabine (the biggest idiot in the galaxy) manages to find him in 1 episode. Such incompetent writing.

[@ryanmorris3114]

Such a good point! I never thought about it, but yeah thier powers basically do whatever the writers - term used loosely - want when they can't think of a more organic way to create tension or simply get a character in/out of a situation

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jesserochon3103]

The witches didn't isolate Ahsoka until the instant Ahsoka called out to Sabine through the force. They only found her when she used the force. (They picked up her signature through the force kinda like how they smelled it on Balen) Presumably they haven't captured Ezra because they wanted him alive as bait or he cut himself off from the force like Obi Wan and so was never found.

[@Razgriz85]

@@jesserochon3103 Ezra was using the force to fight instead of conventional weapons since he got on the planet, so there was no way the witches couldn't have used their laser witch orbs to find him.

[@Ch0c0lateChimp]

What makes it worse is that since the passage of time between Sabine leaving the Star Destroyer and finding Ezra seemingly was about 10 minutes tells me that Ezra was always within walking distance. And the fact that Thrawn stated that he had an idea of his whereabouts (which ended up being correct). He could have killed Ezra years ago but Filioni is stupid so that makes Thrawn stupid. Fuck this show.

[@Creepy-Girl]

The Ahsoka tv show really shows how little Filoni contributed to the dialog in the animated shows.

[@Ch0c0lateChimp]

It's really shocking. I thought "Wait has Clone Wars always been as bad as this?" Then I rewatched my favorite arcs in that show and concluded no, Clone Wars is still really good. It's funny how his cartoons have way better writing than the live action show.

[@smugplush]

@@Ch0c0lateChimp The Clone Wars after Season 2 i believe, kept having different episodic directors while being overlooked by Filoni and Lucas.

[@Ch0c0lateChimp]

@@smugplush Explains how some eps were way better than others.

[@GBDupree]

@@smugplush Makes me think that he only got away with his ideas because of Lucas watching over his shoulder. Perhaps Lucas learned from his past to reign in Filoni like he always needed for himself. Now that he is free though, Filoni to Lucas, "Who they think you are, I am!".

[@chasehedges6775]

@@GBDupree 👍💯💯💯

[@RandomAmerican3000]

And for those who missed the show Rebels, it was Hera who would argue with Kanan about the importance of being a part of a larger group and respecting the chain of command. So, good job on consistent characterization.

[@cognus3372]

hey, a monkey viewer

[@ElRevenio]

Hell, she was so rigid in that regard that it even created trust issues in the group when she wouldn't divulge the information they asked her despite the fact that they were putting their necks on the line for the Rebellion.

[@veeclash4157]

What's consistency? The important part for KK is that it's an all-female cast, the force is female, girl power and all that nonsense! Filoni is clearly KK's pet for a reason, he crafts the story that SHE wants to hear.

[@tomclaydon92]

are you blind, not watching properly or just a moron? she went to command twice they wouldnt lift a finger. She knows thrawn is a major threat so she kinda had no choice but to disobey orders. also these characters are more than 10 years older than in the animated show so clearly theyve changed. or are you trying to tell me we go through our whole life without changing morals and stances on things? Please use your little brain in future. These "criticisms" are really desperate. Do better

[@coffeechat-bunbun]

Also, both shows and characters were written by the same person! He can't even keep his own characterization!

[@ForgottenHonor0]

Filoni Thrawn is as comparable to OG Thrawn as a zoo raised panda to a wild grizzly.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

Clever!!

[@anon-yw4wd]

Word 👊👊👊

[@BlacKnightRising]

"I created a new Death Star and the rebellion blew it into oblivion, everything is proceeding according to plan.' -- Grand-High-Exhalted-Mystic-Ruler-Admiral Thrawn

[@grahamstrouse1165]

The makeup is kinda crap, too. He looks like a ‘60s Star Trek character.

[@rance2799]

They could've atleast portrayed and overconfident and glory starved officer corps to mess up Thrawns plans. But instead they went the "This is all part of my plan actually." Route.

[@literalvampirepotbellygobl5629]

MauLer's last point was so good, it bears repeating. Hera does nothing in this show except waddle about and try to use her position of authority to get and to do whatever she wants. When she disobeys a direct order from the council and multiple people die as a result of her decision, she gets away with it because Leia sends a text to Mothma and because one of the council members is a man.

[@r3dr4te963]

Oh my god.... I don't even invested in Star Wars by now, but reading the snippets already make my sanity erodes. Disney not just destroying Star Wars, they're ruining competent writing.

[@thomassmyth65]

hera was a bad ass pilot and was a good leader, she is knocked down so many pegs in this series, I get its not her show but her character is Definity under used and pointless, i never understand why a general wouldnt have the control of her military to do some very minor missions to investigate either, it would 100% be in her discretion to send a couple of x-wings out on patrol to check out some "disturbances"

[@rexlumontad5644]

Senator Xiono looks like Alan from Generation Tech.

[@ergob3907]

Yeah... and I know its the Empire and all but the whole "Lets go invade this shady far away place on iffy to zero evidence" tends to lead to wars that are looked down upon in history.

[@Mopantsu]

Sounds like government politicians to me.

[@jamiecollins7915]

a character is only as smart as their writer and Dave is about as smart as a steer happily munching on grass, thinking this slaughterhouse is the perfect vacation spot since none of his friends leave it when they go there.

[@r3dr4te963]

Also, smart writer can write convincing dumb character or decision, but dumb writer usually can't even write one, at least logically.

[@BigSkySix]

Hey now, bovines are smarter than Dave.

[@the_absurd_hero]

Are steers the gelded ones? Cuz Dave’s that kind

[@jamiecollins7915]

@@the_absurd_hero wasn't much of a farm guy myself. Just picture a fat and happy cow with Dave's signature cowboy hat and you got the general idea. Bonus points for having the cow being a female in the picture.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

There is actual video evidence of killer whales and crows being smarter than the mind that put this stuff to page.

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

Making Thrawn an idiot proves Filoni is as bad as Kennedy, and strongly suggests that there is no one in Lucasfilm or even Disney proper that can bring Star Wars back to life. "My plan is failing, so I am changing my plan, now I **want** to fail. Ha, they are doing exactly what I want!" - Disney Thrawn (aka Filonius "the dumb")

[@TurKlack]

Took y'all long enough to realize that Failoni is an Idiot. a shame that the likes of SWTheory still believe he is some kind of writing god, that plans everything to the nano detail. Just like that amazing magical Thrawn.

[@adamkares7549]

Filioni is their Zach Snyder, talented guy in a lot of areas but in this case outside of his wheelhouse trying to be this grand storyteller. He sucks as a showrunner and main creative force.

[@Baulderstone1]

I'm now picturing Thrawn checking Twitter after his most recent failure: "Hah! When I made this plan, I was able to predict exactly how all the internet trolls would mock me! I am a genius!"

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

George or bust.

[@earlofdoncaster5018]

Nobody in Hollywood is worse than Kennedy.

[@IdealX-fr4eg]

The same problem with Star Trek no one writing has ever been in or studied the military. I was a marine and can tell you none of this "I ignored your order" crap Would ever fly. There is a chain of command for a reason

[@cympimpin20]

As Hollywood, LA, and California in general have become increasingly insular and collapsed in on themselves, over the decades writers have become less and less able to even try to write about things that are outside their own experiences. They were never really experts in anything, but at least 40 or 50 years ago a writer or director would make an attempt to give their writing verisimilitude by doing some research or talking to some people involved in the topic their movie was about to make it seem more believable. Now it's all just ultra left leaning urban woke hipsters who have never done anything in their lives outside of living in an ultra left city with other ultra left people getting takeout, public transit, going to parties, getting high, and feeling superior to all those filthy handed flyover-state rubes. They can't write characters or stories that aren't just like that because they literally aren't even aware of anything else in the world that isn't that. And they're too full of themselves to even do what their forebearers like Spielberg or Lucas would have done and talk to other people who do know something. Their inability to write military characters is a perfect example. In the past a writer would have written a military character based on talking to people in the military, or getting a military advisor, or watching battlefield footage, or talking to a historian. Modern writers get their understanding of the military from watching movies and TV shows. They're completely detached from any first line experience, and only get their ideas and inspiration from within their own circle of Hollywood friends. They don't write fiction based on real life anymore, they write fiction based on other pieces of fiction.

[@ReinoldFZ]

I used to like a writer that, according to his bio, had been a militar with war experience. In the 90's he would write of response against a conspiration of aliens to rule secretly the Earth, and he would show the military as strategy, loyalty and hard work, the characters would fall in love. After 2016 his novels changed and the characters aren't in love but now, shown as an improvement, are genderless with no emotions; the military is shown as an example of toxic violence and only women are good leaders in a far left ideological way. He wrote a woman general, supposedly smart, just ignoring the U.S. president, Trump probably, as a nuisance. That writer is supposed to be a militar, these writers that probably went from college to write with no life experience surely have less way to reject ideological instructions and have their own thoughts than that former militar promoted by Amazon, at least in mainstream media.

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

If Hera is a general on Lothal her sphere of influence would be Lothal and it's surrounding system. She definitely couldn't just jet off to some other system to go hunt Thrawns allies without talking to others in her own chain of command. She had the proof for a recon mission but through her and her staffs incompetence they failed to show that proof and thus the need for the recon mission. So she's disobeyed a direct order from her superiors, abandoned her post, got two pilots killed, and knowingly endangered civilians (her son is both a minor and a civilian). She has no business being in the military or leading people in any capacity.

[@JohnDoe-fo7yi]

Although military studies would be great, most writers haven't studied or had any experience in the military yet EVERYONE frikking knows thats how the military functions! We've all seen countless movies within military contexts; its a very simple concept to grasp. These people are just brain dead idiots that don't value coherence and accuracy. Its like they write a scene like this : ok, in this scene, Hera will come out looking cool. Then the writers proceed to have anything change or happen so that this is true even if it defies logic.

[@newtpondskipper]

​@JohnDoe-fo7yi remember though that these writers tend to watch the movies with maverick heros who ignore the chain of command and do as they please. It's a circle of nonsense but they think they are smart.

[@nont18411]

*Anakin putting the whole galaxy in danger for Padme’s booty* Obi-wan: “I have to stop him.” *Sabine putting the whole galaxy in danger for Ezra’s hanging dong* Ahsoka: “Yeah, whatever.”

[@chasehedges6775]

😂😂😂. Tbf, Natalie Portman was beautiful back in the PT.

[@Funinightmare]

Nice to know Ahsoka learned her 'Lesson' from the last episode and now has 'conviction'. You can tell that because....uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

Thrawn in the EU : master strategist who exploits a species' flaw to decimate a New Republic fleet, combined with clever and unexpected manuveurs. Is surrounded by a competent crew, starting with Captain Pellaeon. Recruits a mad Dark Jedi so that he would use the Force to boost his troops morale, keep Luke guessing and out of his way, while keeping ysalamiri to prevent him from attacking him with the Force. Looks for the lost Katana fleet of the Republic to add numbers to his own, blockades a planet with cloaking device-fitted asteroids, rendering them effectively invisible. Thrawn in Disney : never scores a victory against the Rebels, relies on cheap gimmicks like a chameleon droid or a hacker to control Chopper, Hera's droid, is surrounded by morons who effectively thwart his efforts, from botching the battle of Atollon (which ends with the rebels escaping and gaining Yavin 4), establishes a TIE Defender factory (despite him not even being the original creator, Grand Admiral Zaarin from the EU was) only to have Governor Pryce blew it up. Defeated by space whales. And now he KEEPS relying on gimmicks, this time in the form of Nightsisters and raggedy Stormtroopers which he carelessly wastes on Ezra, Sabine and Ahsoka. Who do you pick ?

[@kn3448]

You left out the bit where Thrawn manipulates C'baoth to use his Force mind skills to co-ordinate between the Chimera's turbolasers and a cloaked cruiser parked beneath a planetary shield to make it appear they can fire directly through said planetary shield. Thrawn secured the surrender of the entire planet using this strategy. Also, it wasn't just any planet Thrawn blockaded with cloaked asteroids, it was Coruscant itself!

[@TurKlack]

SWTheory would tell you how wrong you are. How genius Thrawn is, as you see, he does not waste his men in fruitless engagements, no he is planning it all. Because he is that amazing of a tactician.

[@EgoChip]

Disney's Thrawn happened chronologically before Zhan's Thrawn. Nobody is perfect, and as you pointed out, he made a lot of blunders and was defeated. He is essentially on his own in Peridea, and had to find allies and the means to return home. He is just using the Night Sisters as a means to an end. As they are him, they are going to betray him but I am 100% certain he has prepared for that. Now he is about to return back to the galaxy, he could have well learned from those mistakes and he will be more formidable like he was in the books. Let's at least wait and see. Thrawn will be victorious, they have already said the finale will be like an Empire ending.

[@rrwholloway]

Zahn’s Thrawn trilogy is my sequel canon (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command). Disney can go hang.

[@MichaSennin]

After re-reading it becomes clear to me that Thrawn is a product of its time and of the Authors. He is nothing but pure information that calculates an entire Species behavior. He is the definition of a Mary Sue in the truest sense, regardless of his Motivations for his own race. Most overrated character of the IP next to Boba Fett.

[@afelias]

"It's twice as difficult to debug code as it was to write it. Therefore, if you wrote the code as cleverly as you could, you are no longer qualified to debug it." - some guy who probably wouldn't have messed up Thrawn's writing as much

[@Hollyclown]

Disney Thrawn when things don’t go to plan: “all a part of the plan.”

[@-socialcredit]

Thrawn in legends: cleverly manipulated a fleet of the Trade Federation with a much smaller force by taking advantage of a major flaw with their droid fighters thus impressing Palpatine Thrawn in Canon: Needlessly throws a whole platoon's worth of men into a meatgrinder and claims its all apart of the plan Seriously, Heir to the Empire Thrawn would've moped the floor with Ashoka and Canon New Republic that the Sequel trilogy would've never even happened

[@petrescucezar3307]

Imagine thinking no need to send fighters in the asteroid/bone belt cuz jedi's are trained to hide and would just throw fighters for nothing just to throw 2 plotoons later in the grinder.

[@BlacKnightRising]

hmmm I'm guessing, stealing ships in an unauthorized mission, endangering her own son on top of that AND getting two military personnel killed , plus, having the nerve to insult a Council Member because, EVIL ASIAN DUDE IS EVIL....which means she insulted THE ENTIRE COUNCIL since they operate as ONE acting like some smug arrogant SJW idiot that Hera would've not only been stripped of her command but her ass would've been immediately arrested and thrown into the brig for LIFE but of course, the b i t c h wasn't even demoted to at least Staff Sargent

[@GIBBO4182]

“Everyone at Disney* Is An Idiot” Fixed the title! 👍🤣

[@earthlingcarl3179]

A 7-year-old with no training could write better than Filoni.

[@chasehedges6775]

I agree. Even teens could write a better story

[@Havic1137]

@@chasehedges6775 And did. I dont think incredibly highly of the Inheritance Trilogy but its miles above this shlock.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Filoni also thinks that, that's he makes children the most OP in his stories...

[@BlacKnightRising]

in crayon

[@xel1673]

Ezra is reduced to a brainless puppy MacGuffin-damsel for Sabine. Now that she has him, he just needs to sit there, wag his tail, and accept everything she says and does with a blank smile. Ezra is literally just a reward for Sabine at the end of the race. Since heterosexual romance is basically dead in modern Hollywood, he doesn't even have that purpose in the narrative. He's an accessory. Ezra could be replaced by a giftcard to Space-Dennys for as much impact as he has on what's going on now and how happy Sabine was to get him at the finish line. Sabine just really, really wanted that gc to Space-Denny's. It would be even more hypocritical if they "fridge" Ezra in the final episode.

[@alphacause]

Thrawn's "strategy" of constantly allowing Ahsoka to evade him reminds me of Austin Powers, where Dr. Evil's son, Scott, berates him for using unnecessarily elaborate schemes and traps, which allows Austin Powers to escape, when simply shooting Austin Powers would suffice. The Austin Powers movie was obviously making fun of a common trope in spy films. The writers of Ahsoka are so stupid they think this joke, illustrating the villain's stupidity, actually indicates that the villain is a genius.

[@mrkeogh]

That was a great scene! 😂

[@whitebeardskydaddy6756]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I am so exhausted from laughing at current day writers, and anyone who thinks they're even remotely good

[@whitebeardskydaddy6756]

@@mrkeogh Immediately classic!

[@BingLing-vz3og]

it seems more like Ahsoka's plot armor and Thrawn's incompetent troops were his downfall. Setting mines near her arrival point = smart, Ahsoka making it out of there is not a failure of his strategy, it's more that she was a skilled enough pilot (or had good enough plot armor). unlike Dr Evil, Thrawn was in no position where he could simply shoot Ahsoka for the win. Thrawn didn't do anything that'd be considered 'genius', but he appeared sort of competent at the very least. Thrawn does make some really questionable decisions in episode 8 unfortunately. Agree that the writing in general wasn't there, but disagree with Thrawn being outright stupid. He's basically a slightly more competent imperial, which I guess in Star Wars universe counts as a genius, maybe?

[@tyw2675]

Rewatching the Star Wars from George Lucas (so episodes 1-6) is actually depressing because I know what it all turned into with Disney. One of the things so many people glance over is that by the time Yoda dies in ROTJ, Luke is supposed to be the last of the Jedi. Characters like Ahsoka, Ezra, and whoever tf else at this point who were affiliated with or is currently affiliated with the Jedi (from the old republic) just waters down everything from before. It waters down order 66, and the dramatic impact of that. It retcons Yoda’s final words to Luke and even sort of waters down the emotional impact of his death. If Ahsoka and Ezra were out there that whole time, then it’s as if Luke has less and less importance to the overall story there. It reduces the stakes in ROTJ, and makes him less important overall. Obviously by now we know Disney doesn’t give a shit about the original story, or Luke, but it doesn’t make it any less of a downer. The stories I grew up with as a kid have been destroyed.

[@-aku-1630]

Thank you. Yoda could visibly feel the deaths of the Jedi throughout the galaxy during order 66. When he said "last of the Jedi will you be" in ROTJ it's easy to believe him. People would have loved to see Luke train a new Jedi order too. Especially someone like me who played the Jedi Knight series in the early 2000s and got to see that version of Luke in a game at least.

[@ergob3907]

Instead Luke fails at everything and the new writer's OC Rey gets bragging rights to restoring the jedi AND killing Palpatine

[@jackflash8218]

Can't fk'n stand this horseshit of new people being handed the reigns to an established, *BELOVED* story with a rich & deep lore... and they COMPLETELY FK'N SPIT IN THE FACE OF THAT STORY'S AUDIENCE... all because of their fk'n pathetic, pathological need to "make it their own". Motherfucker, then make your own goddamn original story from scratch... oh, wait... that would require actual talent. So much easier to just hijack work that other's have already come up with. Fuck's goddamn sake! Sick of this shit.

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

PT and OT and Star Wars EU is the only Star Wars, everything made by Disney is not. Hell, I don't even really watch the PT and stick to the OT. It keeps the love alive.

[@atlantah5496]

Ahsoka is no Jedi thougt -> She left the order Ezra wasn't part of the galaxy Thrawn left the Jedi order like many other jedi did and joined the darkside Hence it doesn't affect yodas statement at all We should value the facts

[@CaspianNomad]

I read the newer Thrawn books a few years back and this Thrawn I'm hearing of doesn't even match that one. Disney can't stay consistent within their own universe. Timothy Zahn must secretly be pissed

[@alphacause]

I think Ahsoka provides a valuable service. Parents can have their children watch the show as a cautionary tale. They can admonish their kids by saying: _"You may hate school, but if you don't do well in school, you will become as idiotic as Ahsoka, Thrawn, Ezra, and Sabine."_ If that doesn't scare children into academic excellence, I don't know what will.

[@TheOmegagoldfish]

I'd just tell my kids about Chris-Chan, with the worst parts sanded out until later.

[@Dowlphin]

Grim Dreary Tales

[@mousemetal1679]

The fact Dangerhair Sue is a high school dropout makes this comment even more accurate and funny.

[@anon-yw4wd]

Keep coping

[@curiousguyontheinternet9023]

@@anon-yw4wdHow is it cope when it’s true?

[@Biscuits645]

What's worse than this show is the fans defending the life out of it. It's just sad at this point. If they just said it's an easy watch and they enjoy it then cool. But when they deny it's terrible writing, i sigh so loud. Apparently every episode is the best one yet.

[@mikavirtanen7029]

Yeah, there are even a lot of fellow older Gen Xers who are totally ecstatic about this show, while i'm so bored that only Mary Elizabeth Winstead's ass keeps me somewhat awake. The magic and sheer fun that Star Wars once represented is dead and buried.

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

Reposting this from another video because I’ve decided I can’t sum up Thrawn in this show better than this: All the poor Filoni fans are coping about how good Thrawn is, and all I have to say is… no. Thrawn is shit here. He lost a platoon’s worth of stormtroopers and didn’t even wound his any of his enemies. He somehow didn’t manage to find Ezra despite them being a day’s ride from each other for EIGHT YEARS (and Thrawn has tie fighters, gunships, as well as scanners and censors to help him find Ezra). And don’t give me that “he just wanted to delay Ahsoka”, no, his objective was to kill Ezra, Sabine, and Ahsoka. There is no reason they should still be alive other than plot armour (and Filoni’s lack of talent or ability) rendering Thrawn completely and utterly unable to accomplish what a couple of tie fighters should have been able to do. Dave Filoni is a moron. And you know what, I thought Thrawn was pretty good in rebels, he makes good decisions based on information available to him. Here, he makes shit decisions based on what the witches tell him. He has fucking magic witches who can somehow figure out where Ahsoka is (makes you wonder why Thrawn didn’t eliminate Ezra years ago). And then Thrawn moves the goalposts, like many of the Filoni fans have to say that Thrawn won because he delayed Ahsoka. TLDR, Dave Filoni can’t write Thrawn for shit, and anyone who thinks he can is huffing copium.

[@frankfrankerson782]

This reminds me of Berserk 2016. The animation was so bad that sometimes characters didn't even have their mouths lip synced. The main character didn't even look like himself from the manga and his side profile looked like beavis from beavis and butthead. And yet still we were told to be happy we had something, even if the something was hot garbage.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

They’re probably just happy that Rebels’ characters are finally getting attention.

[@booshmcfadden7638]

Those voices are also screamed through a megaphone for Disney while people who ask questions and point out inconsistencies are silenced or attacked.

[@silverscorpio24]

"A stupid person's idea of what a smart person is." 😄👌 Nice one Platoon

[@bradwolf07]

Book Thrawn is a quiet genius. He is secure in the knowledge he knows what he is doing. He doesn't need to let emotions dictate his actions. He was impressive. He could accurately guess his enemies' moves. He can read their art like a personality guide. He is impressive. Show Thrawn: *things go to sh*t* Ah yes, all according to plan. Yes yes, good. *Has an enemy in his hands* Let her go, it will be fine. *Things go even further to sh*t* Yes, good, all according to plan

[@bradwolf07]

@@diomedes7971 of course they don't hire consultants anymore, because they don't actually care about the property. They are activists cosplaying as writers. They know "better" than everyone else. It's a shame, because you are right. They cound have easily gotten consultants to make these scenes/characters better. But no, that would mean bringing in people that don't share their "vision".

[@shanonsnyder9450]

@@diomedes7971I think Zahn has some involvement in both Rebels and Ashoka, but it’s clear that they didn’t really glean anything from him. It’s the same issue with the Sequel Trilogy. You must, in every SW story, have a girl power fantasy. That means no real challenges or possibility of failure.

[@thetruth4654]

Thrawn in the extended universe, one of the greatest millitary strategists in the empire. also Thrawn in Filoni`s version of the universe, and incompetent idiot in a fancy military suit.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

New Republic Officer: "That's enough, the military tribunal will decide what to do with you." General Hera: "I am the military!"

[@Aikurisu]

Yeah, not regretting my choice to avoid this show yet. I kinda wanted to be proven wrong but... here we are.

[@firstlast9846]

It honestly has moments where it could be great.. but then it falls flat.. I haven’t seen a show this devoid of charm - or just life in general - in a LONG time.

[@JohnDoe-fo7yi]

I have retained my sanity by avoiding everything Star Wars post The Last Jedi. For me, that was : The Last Time I Gave Disney My Money" and so far I've been quite vindicated in that "sacrifice".

[@RichSmithson]

I avoid all the disney+ stuff now. Il watch Loki season 2 and What If season 2 and thats it. Everything else is garbage.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@RichSmithson "I'm quitting drinking. I still have a beer now and then, but I don't drink anymore."

[@RichSmithson]

oh no i used the wrong word. NOOO JUST END ME NOW. @@ephraimwinslow

[@OmegaChance27]

One of the major issues I have with the show is Dave Filoni seems to have forgotten how all of the characters are supposed to behave and act. Thrawn in Rebels was actually an imposing figure and a master tactician. Every move he made, made it seem like he was three steps ahead of everyone.

[@arongebremedhin9764]

Ahsoka should've been animated, it's where Filoni excels at

[@samtaholo]

With Rebels, it seems likely that he didn't have Kathleen Kennedy breathing down his neck with her agenda. Characters of _both_ genders were shown to be competent in Rebels. Can't have that with anything made for Disney+.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Filoni needs better writers to reign him in. Also, Simon Kinberg was on the Rebels team.

[@shanonsnyder9450]

He was just as dumb in Rebels. There is no comparison to novel Thrawn because they’re written by completely different people

[@darthhodges]

Writers cannot convincingly create characters smarter than they are. Timothy Zahn (who wrote every Thrawn novel) is obviously pretty intelligent considering how smart both Thrawn and other characters in the books are. Whoever is writing Ahsoka obviously isn't very smart. Also those who wrote the Ahsoka show and Thrawn's appearance in Rebels know very little about his character as presented in the novels as it doesn't feel like the same person and not just his intelligence. Thrawn does value his people in the books (despite being a bad guy) and is never wasteful with resources. He is thoughtful and genuinely tries to help those under him become better at their jobs because it serves his purposes. Thrawn is bad because he believes that the ends justify the means (the conclusion of any perfectly logical person) and favors the Empire's totalitarianism over the ideals of the Republic for that reason. These writers don't understand that so they make a caricature of an evil person based on their limited imagination and experience.

[@baxter1252]

Dave Filoni. Dave Filoni is the only writer on this show.

[@ajsouza3720]

Not to mention as a Chiss Thrawn knew the Vong were coming and correctly pointed out the Republic was no match for them.

[@karenpojar2514]

It isn't really that hard to write a tactician. You just have to have the heroes lose several engagements they "won". And by that, not have Thrawn twirl his mustache and go "yes, you kicked my butt like I knew you would". Instead, the heros have to suffer a real loss like losing a character or getting trapped for an episode. But the cardinal rule of Disney is "girls are better than boys, always and in all things". So the heroes can never suffer any losses no matter how stupid they act. So the villain always winds up a moron.

[@TheKoenr]

I think you can, the issue is the writer needs to have respect for the audience and character. Something modern show writing doesn't have

[@themasked_senshi4521]

Thrawn cared about the people under him in rebels, lol what

[@maskddingo1779]

The bad guys are so neutered. There is litteraly nothing to be afraid of in this show. Palpatine was actually devious and diabolical. Thrawn feels like an idiot that barely knows what is going on. I don't even understand what the heck anyone's motivation is any more. It's so bad.

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

Reposting this from another video because I’ve decided I can’t sum up Thrawn in this show better than this: All the poor Filoni fans are coping about how good Thrawn is, and all I have to say is… no. Thrawn is shit here. He lost a platoon’s worth of stormtroopers and didn’t even wound his any of his enemies. He somehow didn’t manage to find Ezra despite them being a day’s ride from each other for EIGHT YEARS (and Thrawn has tie fighters, gunships, as well as scanners and censors to help him find Ezra). And don’t give me that “he just wanted to delay Ahsoka”, no, his objective was to kill Ezra, Sabine, and Ahsoka. There is no reason they should still be alive other than plot armour (and Filoni’s lack of talent or ability) rendering Thrawn completely and utterly unable to accomplish what a couple of tie fighters should have been able to do. Dave Filoni is a moron. And you know what, I thought Thrawn was pretty good in rebels, he makes good decisions based on information available to him. Here, he makes shit decisions based on what the witches tell him. He has fucking magic witches who can somehow figure out where Ahsoka is (makes you wonder why Thrawn didn’t eliminate Ezra years ago). And then Thrawn moves the goalposts, like many of the Filoni fans have to say that Thrawn won because he delayed Ahsoka. TLDR, Dave Filoni can’t write Thrawn for shit, and anyone who thinks he can is huffing copium.

[@maskddingo1779]

@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 very well stated. Plus the whole "oh no!!! Someone might get stabbed by a lightsaber and survive again!!!" Why tf didn't they send some of those droids from the first episode that can self destruct with nuclear force (but maybe trim the wick a bit more this time, and don't announce it)? Problem solved. I never once felt the protagonists have been in any sort of peril this entire season. It's boring af. The only damaging thing the villans have been able to do all season long is "not kill sabine". How has Thrawn not brutally murderd one of his subordinates for this failure? They are just so non-threatening. Imagine how much more gravity everything would have if sabine actaully did get killed by the stab that should have ended her? A much more intriguing story where Ahsoka would be dealing with keeping balance while seeking revenge. Also maintains the threat that the bad guys can and will indeed kill you.

[@enrique6335]

The only thing I can come up with is Morgan wants to bring Thrawn back so he can join the Shadow Council introduced in Mandalorian Season 3 so they can begin taking over the galaxy again.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Heck, Thrawn was done better in Rebels.

[@fictiontheorizer4253]

@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 This is the same writer who thought getting a shit ton of clones killed was an acceptable loss to teach Asoka patience. The man has always been an idiot. Or a psychopath. Take your pick.

[@francoisgrenier935]

Tiwyn Lannister was shown writing letters for a whole season before the red wedding happened. Every line of Tywin dialogue is memorable. This is how you write a smart character. Most striking villain on TV shows in the last 10 years.

[@-aku-1630]

My friends are always so surprised when I tell them he was my favorite character in that show. Consistently well written and expertly portrayed by Charles Dance.

[@CaptainCastle]

@@-aku-1630 you don't have to say expertly portrayed when you say it's charles dance, we just know

[@-aku-1630]

@@CaptainCastle true enough!

[@Enigma75614]

Kind of annoyed they killed him off in season 4.

[@scorpixel1866]

​@@Enigma75614You mean he was saved from having to live/witness the remaining seasons.

[@kerbalairforce8802]

Everything past Episode 6 is fan fiction, and the books are cannon.

[@wheeliebin18]

"Correct" **Offers chocolate Hobnob**

[@nont18411]

Filoni’s Thrawn made Orson Krennic looks like a genius, and Krennic is clueless as hell.

[@Aikurisu]

Krennic is akin to the awesomeness of Vader compared to everyone in this show.

[@chasehedges6775]

ARE WE BLIND!? DEPLOY THE GARRISON!

[@lorenzdecena]

Are we blind! Deploy the garrison! MOVE!

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

I had to look it up on Wookiepedia to remember who that was.

[@ElRevenio]

Krennic is way fucking smarter in the Catalyst novel than he's both in the film and Thrawn in Ahsoka combined.

[@richardbuckley1232]

The problem with writing a smart character like Thrawn is that you have to be at least as smart as the character is intended to be. This is not the Thrawn I read about in the novels, who was legitimately intellectually threatening.

[@richardbuckley1232]

@diomedes7971 a great point!

[@shanonsnyder9450]

You can’t have smart characters and a girl boss power fantasy. You only get one.

[@ianhockert6339]

The big problem with Ahsoka is that there is too much plot armor for the protagonists. Thrawn looks like an idiot because none of his plans are allowed to work because the protagonists have to survive. He sent troops and gunships to the fight, but the gunships didn't provide close air support because then they just blow up the protagonists and the show is over. He could have also sent out TIE Bombers with escorts to just completely blow-up Ezra and Sabine. Thrawn just doesn't work for this kind of story because ruthless, skilled tactitians simply don't lose to tiny groups of plucky heroes. Thrawn worked so well in the original Thrawn trilogy because he was the underdog. His militray forces couldn't take the New Republic on in a head on military conflict, so he had to be clever and successful in a number of his endeavors or he couldn't be a credible adversary. Thrawn doesn't work when the deck looks to be stacked in his favor because him losing can generally only be explained by plot armor or some sort of deus ex machina.

[@louiswilliamterminator2887]

Yeah, but blue, fat and stupid is almost as good, right????? 🤣

[@BingLing-vz3og]

the gunship not providing air support sort of makes sense. He needs Ahsoka out of his way so Ezra and Sabine need to be in danger, but alive, so that Ahsoka can rescue them and not turn her attention to him. his other failures that they discussed weren't failures in strategy but in execution. His troops were cartoon level henchmen, so even the best plans would've failed. Perhaps Thrawn's aware of his troops lack of ability, in which case all of his decisions are suddenly genius level strategy. Although that'd still be terrible writing, just not the type they're complaining about.

[@louiswilliamterminator2887]

Thrawn: Send two broken Tie Fighters with quadraplegic pilots!

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Star Wars: The Phantom Competence.

[@DavidWalker1987]

What really confuses me about Hera is that she is supposed to be a general. Thousands of people should be under her command. So she goes to the shipyard on her own/without other assesors? She has to explore a system against orders. Now I can understand her not having an armada at her disposal, but she couldve easily gone "hey Squadron 123, go to this system, come out of hyperspace well away from it, scan and jump back - do not engage etc etc". They turn up, see the eye of sion from afar, scan it and return. She then comes back in a couple of hours time with overwhelming force having gotten proof. Instead everything is so contrived and circumstantial.

[@paleface171]

What if Hera was not a General at all and it was made up in her head. Through some unseen, and very traumatic event and she was driven mad because of it. Then the people in contact with her, instead of helping her with the trauma decides to go along with it, because it would hurt her feelings to confirm to Hera she is still just a pilot and not a General. It does explain why she is wearing a pilot's uniform and not a General's uniform. Or something that looks like a person in military leadership.

[@veeclash4157]

Yup because the writers are dumb and Filoni didn’t have an editor overseeing his efforts and saying this part doesn’t make sense explain it better. This feels like a first draft without any corrections.

[@DavidWalker1987]

@@veeclash4157 Parts of it just feel like some californian teenagers script. If you translated this into a novel, it would need 1000 extra scenes in between what weve actually - just to flesh it out and make it linear.

[@timefly4221]

Captain Kirk commanded a heavy cruiser but always beamed down to the dangerous planet personally, often with his first officer in tow. Welcome to story telling vs reality, because a show where different units of anonymous red shirts handled everything wouldn’t be compelling.

[@jlev1028]

​@timefly4221 Here's the difference. OG Star Trek was intelligent. This show isn't.

[@wesleypint9427]

The last point about the council and court martial of Hera. No military officer would be that flippant about disobeying orders. They would go into it knowing that had messed up and have a concise, well-thought out and argued reason for their actions and why they couldnt explain them before taking action. Also, its traditional, in the American Military, when you lose someone as their commanding officer you write a letter to the next of kin, expressing sorrow and explaining why their loved one died. I once saw a LT who had lost 15 personnel in his platoon writing those letters and it broke him, emotionally. You dont see any such investment by the officers in this show. Because the writers havent experienced military life and havent bothered to research it.

[@stanley-fghijk441]

Dave Filoni is a "genius" for the same people who think the Knives Out movies are "smart".

[@SwiftTrooper5]

Thankful to still have Heir to the Empire books to remember what a great character Thrawn was.

[@pqsnet]

Your description of Thrawn "It was what i intended all along" when failing reminds me of Peter Sellers inspector Clouseau in The Pink Panther. 🤣

[@2nd_Directorate]

At least Inspector Clouseau is a legitemate threat to everyone if left unchecked.

[@GPMM213]

He reminds me of Pee-Wee when he's trying to show off in front of some dudes his awesome bike riding and face plants off it instead. "I meant to do that!"

[@duncanharrell5009]

At least Cloudeau can occasionally do something smart or at least blunder his way through. Grand Admiral Elon could be given everything perfectly set up to win a battle, lose, and claim “all according to plan”.

[@teambattleground9076]

Well when you look into the voting habits as well as the world view of everyone involved in these kind of projects you can see why the characters make dumb decisions because it's a reflection on the people who created them

[@louiswilliamterminator2887]

We wouldn't have been surprised if Thrawn forgot about hunting for rebels halfway through the season, to search for Jabba the Hutt's stock of Mars bars

[@kpsk8031]

Hey guys, some respect, please. Ahsoka received a few days ago the "Seal of female empowerment in entertainment", "an award from some lousy women's organization" (Ron Swanson).

[@briankriens5645]

Seeing Thrawn destroyed is just the latest head on KKKennedy's wall. I read the Heir to the Empire books and loved them. Got to meet my favorite truly strong female character in Star Wars besides Leia, Mara Jade. Besides that, Thrawn as the antagonist was perfectly written by Zahn. The way he would study the art of a civilization to determine the strategy and tactics to defeat them was inspiring. So many others. Talon Karrde, Jorus C'baoth... list goes on. Also, all 3, 4 if you count Chewie, of our original main characters had major roles and heroic deeds. Zahn squeezed a lot into 3 books. Truly excellent. Always seemed like a no brainer to be transferred to the BIG SCREEN in exchange for billions in profit. Silly me. Now Elon Thrawn is a meme, and not a very good one.

[@fictiontheorizer4253]

I knew it was coming. David Filoni can't write compelling villains. Even a casual perusal of the differences between 2003's Grevious and the 2008 version revels that.

[@CommissarDan]

It's quite obvious, that modern Star Wars content is more like fanfiction, than anything else.

[@kn3448]

Star Wars fan fiction come up with stuff a billion gazillion times better than any of this guff being peddled by Disney! And the majority of Star Wars fan fiction is incomprehensible shite!

[@TheOmegagoldfish]

Fanfiction implies passion.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

Which makes sense. Most fanfiction is garbage. I always love how people come out of the woodwork going “nooo this ain’t fanfiction!” Nah, most fanfic is cringe. Fanfic writers need to accept that.

[@tomclaydon92]

the sequels were. Ahsoka is far from fanfiction

[@mousemetal1679]

@@kn3448 The majority is shipping these days, so it´s not really better. But Pisssney nuked my Mando S3 from internet, so it was probably too good and too dangerous to be left online. :D

[@auxityne]

You know what I'd like to see? I'd like to see Andor's staff write for Thrawn. That could actually be something.

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

That’s what I’m saying. Make a TV show out of the canon novels to show his rise to power, then make a trilogy of movies out of the OG legends novels. Andor always felt like a legends novel to me, so I think Tony Gilroy would be the right man for the job if it came to adapting the Thrawn Trilogy. Sadly Dave Filoni likes his action figures to much to let someone else play with them.

[@firstlast9846]

They NEED to start experimenting with genres.. let Filoni pay his tributes to George Lucas.. but let someone like Tony Gilroy play around with genres.

[@booshmcfadden7638]

They couldn't. There is a checklist for how women are in Disney products. The story would probably be better, Thrawn wouldn't be a loser, but all 3 of the women would be the same.

[@Eris9091]

Kathleen Kennedy only hires writers that submit to her wants so idk

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

You actually think those writers are still employed at Disney?!

[@dancarter5595]

Filoni's story writing is so weak that the best he could come up with for their first battle in a new galaxy was Jedi's fighting Storm Troopers in a desert. Amazing.

[@sandmaker47]

With the prequels, hate them or love them, the fights and music were engaging. You can watch Ani and obi fights a thousand times

[@erikhermansen3431]

For all its flaws it still FEELS like Star Wars. Rogue One is the only thing Disney made that I can partially tolerate.

[@chilloflamingo1395]

The whales will 100% come back in the last episode and save the day

[@frankb3347]

When the Galaxies greatest tactical genius can't out think your average junior high kid you've got a problem.

[@gypsyfreek]

Why does Thrawn look like a blue Elon Musk?

[@ephraimwinslow]

Because the only way they know how to write villains is to caricature the last person legacy media outlets told them to be mad at.

[@kn3448]

This comment wins the internet! For today, at least.

[@erroneous6947]

White/blue man bad? Oh orange man bad too.

[@jsikes4435]

Or a blue Data

[@steveouk90126]

First rule of competent storytelling: start at the end and work your way backward to establish the conflict. These guys are starting at the beginning and trying to find the end, and making up the rules as they go.

[@ephraimwinslow]

You just described every TV show on streaming. (Which is also why I no longer watch TV shows.)

[@firstlast9846]

There’s no RULE for writing - Vince Gilligan who created Breaking Bad admitted he had no idea where plot points were heading when he wrote them.. I’m not defending this trash show - but there’s absolutely no rules to writing - it varies from person to person.

[@steveouk90126]

@@firstlast9846 ...and that's why S5 of BB was such a wandering, semi-coherent mess.

[@Enigma75614]

@@firstlast9846That’s why Better Call Saul had such an awful final season.

[@ryanmorris3114]

Well said!

[@nuyabuisness7526]

In Rebels Thrawn was more of a menace and less of a mastermind. He had presence, but his planning was closer to just doing the most sadistic thing imaginable. It's unfortunate that they couldn't do him justice.

[@dontcare7086]

He is at his best in the novels. They have every plot and bit of dialog they need to be successful but refused to use the EU. Even if Disney had competent writers they wouldn't be able to churn out something half as good as the sum total of the eu. Universe building over decades by competent writers is a tall order to fill. As we know they don't have any writers worth a damn.

[@JohnDoe-fo7yi]

If only they had reference material that they could use! If only! Even hacks like the Game of Thrones showrunners were able to lean on good reference material to make 4/5 solid seasons worth. If only!

[@fictiontheorizer4253]

@@JohnDoe-fo7yi It would cost too much in royalties. So, say the bean counters. Meanwhile they're bleeding their IP dry by injecting their drivel into it. It's not really about money. It's about "appeasement", of a sort so ineffectual it actually leaves no one feeling satisfied.

[@Costas22]

Shin is so obviously turning because an evil white man betrayed her. She might kill him too. Wouldn't surprise me. The writers' woke agenda is obvious as fuck. Speaking of Filoni, why does he keep writing the show as if we've all watched Rebels? Oh 'memba when Ezra gave Sabine his lightsaber? Who cares? Most of us had no idea who Ezra is.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

People need to take animation more seriously.

[@EmperorNortonII]

He's one of three people putting any effort into the show whatsoever. He's at least fun to watch on-screen. Dude is enjoying himself.

[@TheDarkLasombra]

This is the white person version of pulling the race card. The woke card.

[@atlantah5496]

"why does he keep writing the show as if we've all watched Rebels? " Because it is Season 6 of Rebels. But they called it Ahsoka to lure in more people to watch it.

[@scorpixel1866]

​@@lalehiandeity1649People need to take *good* animation seriously. Rebels is, for the vast majority of its running time, far, far from it, as in beyond the horizon.

[@i1custd]

Thank you Drinker and crew for doing some of us a BIG favor not having had to waste our time watching the first season of Ahsoka. Cheers 🍻

[@UltimateDeliciousPie]

The wider implications that a senator can just sanction a military operation is downright hilarious. The republic government system is completely broken by not having a department/ministry of defence. Also a General can just pull ships and other assets, like they weren't doing anything else? If Hera wanted to do a solo operation, hire mercenaries, there are plenty around in the Star Wars galaxy.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

These clowns, meaning the writers, have no clue about the military, and obviously don't care enough to find out either. It's still astonishes me how such amateur writing levels are accepted by the people who produce entertainment that costs hundreds of millions of dollars. I can accept that the writers are lazy fools, but the thought processes of the executives who greenlight this utter garbage remain a mystery to me.

[@UltimateDeliciousPie]

@@dronesclubhighjinks It does state me that these writers haven't grown up, or they think they are writing for children who don't know the implications of consequences. Or more accurately that these writers and executives don't know what consequences are, as they've always had someone else to throw under the bus. Someone else's fault, they get the blame, not me, not my problem.

[@kennyhudson9201]

Leia is the leader of the Defense Force as well, so.....

[@APsychicMonkey]

Hire mercenaries? Hey, the galaxy may be on the brink of war, but there's no way in hell Hera's gonna dip into her savings to stop it.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

@@UltimateDeliciousPie yes, you’re right! Critical drinker has a playlist series called “why modern movies suck“ and one of the videos has a title like “they are written by children.“ Call Me Chato’s channel had a video a while ago as to why the studios began hiring people straight out of college. The reason is that they are a lot cheaper than middle-aged writers with 15+ years of experience. Chato is a former network executive who is sometimes on those Friday night live streams with Critical Drinker etc. Several channels have theorized that the writers’ strike was maybe not engineered by the studios, but was highly welcomed by them as a purge of bad writers/SJWs. I don’t know, but I will be pretty surprised if studios start producing actually good entertainment free of “the message.“

[@inkermoy]

Disney Thrawn is the meme where a cat does something really stupid like running headlong into a mirror, face-planting, getting up with the attitude, "I meant to do that!"

[@YouCantSeeMe-]

It sucks the actor who played Baylan passed away, such a great character

[@highwaytohelles4561]

Hera is every career woman's dream: Having authority without any kind of accountability and the option of blaming the next best man who is around. This is actually how the real world now works. I don't think, Filoni is intelligent enough to have written that as a reflection of that, but this is basically how we are doing politics now. If you're a woman, you can do no wrong.

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

Hah, based.

[@tipsyt1909]

How is that dumbass bureaucrat “the next best man”? Just because you don’t want her to be correct doesnt mean she isn’t… I mean have you seen the show? Thrawn is coming back…

[@BlackhaloZ]

Sounds and awful lot like Kathleen Kennedy. Is Hera her self-insert?

[@grahamstrouse1165]

She’s Space Sheryl Sandberg!

[@DarthQueefious]

'Ahsoka is unpredictable. We shall let her do whatever she wants, and thus we shall always be one step ahead' 🤔

[@Miykael]

But but member-berries guys, they had C3PO do a cameo ! 10/10

[@joseolivas5396]

The point you mentioned about "lack of consequences" is just plain rebels. You just described every episode. Every episode one crew member disobeyed, did something incorrect, hide a secret or stupid stuff nobody would do, and at the end of the day everything was fine. Typical Filoni happy writting

[@twitchingbuck7440]

Same thing with Bad Batch (which Filoni wrote a few episodes of).

[@mousemetal1679]

Typical Ahsoka in TCW and aaarrghhh!!! FUKING Bo-Karen! Zero consequences for her countless atrocities, not just stupidity or disobedience. Felony and his Mary Sue fanfic...

[@isaiahsmith7123]

I love that they go to a completely different galaxy and upon arrival discover not one, but TWO whole new cultures and societies, and instead awe or wonder, they literally have parallel technological evolution with the Star Wars Galaxy to the point they have repulsors, blasters, gears, and levers... just why?!

[@DSKekaha]

Maxwell Smart: "Don't tell me the Jedis have caught up to us" "The Jedis have caught up to us" "I ASKED you not to tell me that"

[@Treasure_hunter_21]

Could've swear sw purple guy was a brilliant tactician. He was so good that even Palpatine was extremely empressed by his genius in his very heavy human centric power hierarchy in the empire.... Why happened?

[@13thdukeofwybourne69]

Bad writers. In fact I'll go as far as, very bad writers.

[@Treasure_hunter_21]

@@13thdukeofwybourne69 that sounds like modern day high standard...

[@2nd_Directorate]

Palpatine wasn´t only impressed, he was even afraid of him. That was the reason why Thrawn was deployed in the Outer Rim. As an Ace to call in, but far enough away from the day to day business. So the Military folks wouldn´t flock to his charisma and competence.

[@Treasure_hunter_21]

@markusgutjahr7489 That's how sith are: respect, fear, and fascination are basically the same thing)

[@marcmarc1967]

In Rebels, Hera was such a well-written and well-developed character. She was the rock of the the group, the one who kept everyone in check. She was kind, understanding, matures, sensible, and understood how the chain of command works. Seriously, that was Hera in Rebels. It's hard to imagine that, seeing her in this show. Complete opposite now. What they've done to her character really breaks my heart. She now struts about with a smug attitude and sarcastic smirk on her face, totally unconcerned with anyone else's feelings. When those two pilots died, it would have affected her for a long time in Rebels, and been a major plot arc. Nope, not here, she just puts the smirk back on her face and struts along.

[@gavinstrelitz1558]

Most of the characters have taken backward steps in comparison to how they were developed in Rebels. Sabine has just become largely useless, despite being one of the female hero leads, when in Rebels she is highly competent and assured. Your observations on Hera are spot on as well.

[@Domms]

The more videos of these I see, the happier I am to not be wasting time watching these shows 😂

[@nathank2289]

For anyone who didnt read the EU. Thrawn basically created the interdictor cruiser, which was a mini stardestroyer that disabled hyperspace. He then used a small fleet to chip away the new republics forces.

[@boobah5643]

There's not one word about Thrawn creating the interdictors; he's just the first person we ever see deploy one, because Zahn invented the whole thing.

[@samtaholo]

@@boobah5643 The Interdictors were actually created by West End Games for the Star Wars roleplaying game. Lucasfilm sent Zahn a lot of the RPG sourcebooks while he was writing Heir to the Empire, wanting him to stay in line with that material. In the case of the Interdictors, for example, he had already planned for the Empire to use something along those lines, and was pleased to find them already there in the sourcebooks, meaning he didn't have to reinvent the wheel every time he came up with an idea.

[@sakkra93]

He also was so knowledgeable about the mechanics of hyperspace that he created the "Thrawn Pincer", which was when an interdictor sat in a certain spot to pull a ship/flotilla out of hyperspace at a certain point in space, usually directly behind an enemy fleet.

[@nathank2289]

@boobah5643 Not in the trilogy books, but he gets more backstory in other books and games. The reason he climbed the ranks despite being a nonhuman was that he was equally brilliant in R&D as well as command and tactics.

[@sandmaker47]

When I heard Ezra didn't need his light saber, I was genuinely happy. I was like how powerful in the force is he, will he be lifting and crushing ppl with 2 fingers and a hand behind his back like some ancient Chinese monk. And then I saw it. I was like how is he not dead yet, is thrawns army that incompetent and ineffective? At least the fake Mando army wasn't this incompetent.

[@veeclash4157]

Yup Ezra was incompetent and awkward with his force kung-fu. It was really sad how he had to steal a gun to be useful in combat and how Shin easily knocked him out with just a single Force push! LOL But that's Star Wars circa 2023! The force is female and all males must be shown as incompetent!

[@sandmaker47]

@@veeclash4157 I don't get why being female has to suck. Clone wars the last season was Disney. They happened to get an awesome final episode with an epic fight. When it was still under CN, ashoka had a lot of episodes to rock, asajj was good when she wasn't against a jedi and held her own when she did and won a few of those fights as well. Rebels was kid friendly but still managed some epic fights. Ppl can forgive a lot if you give them an epic fight

[@kimberly8266]

irony

[@mousemetal1679]

@@sandmaker47 The end of the last season of TCW is trash and the more I think about it the trashier it gets. Ahsoka is a classic Mary Sue in it: she didn´t finish her Jedi training but she jumps out of the ship and jumps from one ship to another until she gets to the ground where she lands with an epiiic explosion behind her like in some scene from the cheesiest of the cheesy action movies of the 80´s. She gaslighted Obi-Wan to help Bo-Karen, a f-ing villain who terrorized Mandalore and some innocent villagers for years, plotted against her own sister and got her killed in the process. She also tried to kill Ahsoka and Lux and sexually assaulted her, which implies the enslaved villagers were also used as sex slaves. This goes over the kids´ heads but an adult understands. It´s horrible. Bo-Karen is a horrible person, but nobody says anything when she becomes the ruler illegitimately. The whole intervention was illegal in the first place. The republic overthrew Maul to replace him with a terr0rist, slaver and gen0c!dal man!ac. Bo-Karen is the most loathsome pseudocharacter in SW and deserves to pay in full for her atrocities. Then Ahsoka releases Maul so he would kill the clones and the blame for their death would be on him, not on her. Padmé is not even mentioned. Felony makes it look as if it was Ahsoka´s (fake) death which turned Anakin fully into Vader.

[@sandmaker47]

@@mousemetal1679 the last episode was an action fest, it looked good, and compromises are always made in war. The devil you know and all of that. She's been training with Ani for the most part of the war, it's not like she's a new padawan, and like Obi-Wan was probably ready to take the final test, which is not one based on skill. Jedi are magic space wizards, the definition of Mary sues, protected by plot armor that would make batman proud. Give us the action we came for, cuz Disney do not have the writing skills to pull it off flawlessly.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

Has anyone mentioned how Leia acts completely differently given roughly the same situation with Hera and Poe?

[@Enigma75614]

The panel mentioned it.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

@@Enigma75614 Nice!

[@Darkwintre]

Finds a way into the bridge between worlds and walks home

[@michaelglynn7010]

Baylen will go out Wakanda Forever style and die of “suddenly” off screen :D

[@jayberan]

I love listening to you guys talking through these movies and shows. I learn a little more each time on opportunities to imporve storytelling, SO thanks so much for all the great vids!

[@TarossBlackburn]

I was personally also annoyed by the entire part of "There is no evidence of anything you said" going on in that courtmartial. They don't have any combat telemetry? They don't have any logs and records of what happened? Huyang got a huge detailed scan of the jumpring, they never thought to send that over to Hera or anyone for proof of there be shit going on? That is not just incompetent. That is maliciously incompetent.

[@fictiontheorizer4253]

Disparu made that very point on one of his videos funnily enough.

[@Durwood71]

I can't image how depressing it must be for George Lucas to watch the creation that he labored over for decades get utterly destroyed by the people who were supposed to safeguard it.

[@BlacKnightRising]

'I stepped into an empty space where the elevator was supposed to be fell 4 stories and broke every bone in my body, everything is proceeding as I have planned = -- Thrawn

[@burakcz631]

The show also completely throws away Ezra's sacrifice at the end of Rebels. I was hoping he would at least scold Sabine for trying to rescue him, but apparently he doesn't care anymore

[@tomclaydon92]

almost like Filoni and Lucas understand and know where the narrative is going and what makes sense...compared to a bunch of morons on youtube lmao. but please tell us how you know better about the characters over the people that literally created them lmao

[@burakcz631]

@@tomclaydon92 I'm not trying to pretend that I could write a better story, but if you can notice characters acting inconsistently during your first viewing, something is probably wrong

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

He can’t scold her because he doesn’t know what’s going on. He doesn’t know Thrawn is moments away from returning because nobody has told him yet. But yet, Sabine did throw away his sacrifice. If they have any sense, Ezra will confront Sabine about it in the finale.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

@@tomclaydon92with that idiotic logic, no show can be bad because “the writers know best”. Brown-nosing Filoni is pathetic. A well written show can defend itself.

[@Mythodyn]

Hera's the very model of a modern Disney General

[@Fujtajblus]

Can we have Drinker inverview Filoni? Ask about the writing decision he made... like Sabine being stabbed with a lightsaber and being all cool and ok in the next episode, which was like 24h later.

[@allankolenovsky7028]

This is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in full force. Idiot writers are only capable of writing idiot characters and the writers are incapable of recognizing how stupid their stories are.

[@grunt6799]

The Star Wars IP at this point is a resurrected corpse that has been revived and killed several times over. It's nothing more than a husk of a corpse.

[@HerculesBallsInc]

It's clear the writers have no idea at all why respected generals are respected. It's NOT because someone pinned badges to their chest or they have a title that they can throw in peoples' faces. Those are the LEAST respected generals. The MOST respected generals are the brilliant strategists who have been through major trouble and come out the other side when everyone thought they would fail and done so over and over. They're they people who you JUMP to follow their advice because whatever they tell you is MOST LIKELY TO WORK. As with that famous line in Game of Thrones, if you have to REMIND people you're a general, you're not much of a general at all.

[@FahadKhan-mw1nh]

Why was andor so good? Because Tony Gilroy the writer specifically had it written in his contract that Kathleen Kennedy can't not interfere with the creative process. Andor just happens to be the best thing star wars has ever done.

[@kn3448]

I beg to differ. You see, a long time ago in a filming studio not so far away, there were these three movies called A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. They actually started all this and can arguably be the best thing Star Wars has ever done.

[@999999SkyGuy]

The title of this video couldn't be more fitting. Thanks for a good Sunday evening smile. That's the first grin in a long time. Thx

[@danielhill5814]

"Keep my Leia's name out of your damn mouth!" 😂

[@NateO123]

Even worse than Thrawn pretending he’s playing 4d chess are the mouth breathers defending him online. Not super surprising since it seems there will always be a group that will just choke down anything called Star Wars and defend it no matter what, but I still feel bad for them. They are desperate.

[@user-du9db2hz4h]

Would be surprised if there is actually a season 2

[@twitchingbuck7440]

The show looks so embarrassingly cheap (especially the clone wars flashbacks) that it couldn't cost much to make. Disney might spend a few pennies to crank out another season.

[@JoeMapes]

They literally put nightcrawler in a cruise ship captains uniform and thats supposed to scare us all.

[@bloodrunsclear]

‘We’ll wait till the heroes win…then we strike!’ -Thrawn (probably)

[@BoondockRoberts]

This is why I gave up on episodic TV stuff. For example, Game of Thrones I was always able to predict the plot easily by asking myself "what is the stupidest thing this character can do?" As for this, I have not watched anything Disney Star Wars. Was turned off by the first trailer of the first movie and haven't looked back. Watching Drinker reviews has shown me it was a good decision.

[@Enigma75614]

Game of Thrones was absolutely not predictable, at least in the earlier seasons.

[@fr0ck360]

Lucasfilm really love showing things that can be fleshed out perfectly only to fumble it at the last minute. They did Baylan’s actor so dirty in this show. Not only his other role (MCU) died as an useless jobber, this show doesn’t even want to flesh out his backstory

[@jpteknoman]

Filmmaking 101, when characters are giving explanations of past events that the audience has seen you have 3 options. 1. The character says something like "well..." or "where do i start?" or "its a long story" or something similar then you cut to another scene happening somewhere else. Then you return to that character at the end of the explanation saying "that's how things went" and proceed with the story 2. The character starts talking about the events and something happens that interrupts them 3. You set the scene in a situation where there is urgency and there is no time to talk If its not an event that the audience has seen, you make a brief story to fill the continuity gap, how good it needs to be depends on how relevant the past event is. What you DO NOT DO, is dismiss it without a reason saying "a good question for another time", especially if its relevant to the plot and is not something the audience has seen.

[@andrewhaywood531]

Please make a poster of Hera, looking as smug as possible, with the quote "I'm a general, i'm a general, i'm a general".

[@chasehedges6775]

Ashoka is such a horrible show and Star Wars is a husk of ash

[@hauntedhose]

One Piece is a turd as well ….🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ramert32]

Except Andor

[@Enigma75614]

@@hauntedhoseI don’t get why Open Bar was praising it. It was equally as shitty as Ahsoka.

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

@@ramert32 "Andor" just wasn't AS horrible... it still isn't good, but our standards and expectations have been lowered so much that anything half ways competent now gets glowing reviews. It is sad really.

[@ramert32]

@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 Andor was pretty damn good. Well written, competent production design and stellar performances. Was it slow and boring for you?

[@under_score3829]

It's such a good point to bring up the double standard between Hera and Poe in The Last Jedi.

[@mkb4560]

I believe that Baylan is looking for a toilet with a paper and a match he is the only one feeling something calling to him lol

[@docsavage8640]

"Write what you know." So they did.