Drinker's Chasers - Section 31 Gets Obliterated

[@LtFoodstamp]

Fans didn't ask for it Fans said they didn't want it. They didn't listen. They failed.

[@docsavage8640]

Wash. Rinse. Repeat. It's the one lesson they can't learn because they think they're smarter than the public.

A bit like politics. That which nobody wants or needs, and which nobody voted for: that is what politicians will provide us with! #whoopteedoo

[@dubstepzsi]

A common pattern unfortunately films and series are not made for fans anymore they are made for the narcissist arrogant pr@cks that are making them. Sheer f@cking hubris 🤣 I have to admit Picard season 3 was half decent besides a few episodes that were slow and i started to think its going back to the format of season 1 and 2 but stuck with it and again it was decent not perfect but hey.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

DS9 not only started the idea of of Section 31, the also executed it the best. The used it sparingly, and it was always portrayed as a small group operating in the shadows and existing as whispers.

[@doberski6855]

Enterprise used it well also. At least they made Section 31 appear to be a small ultra secret unit operating within Star Fleet intelligence. Now it has its own ships, uniforms, badges, even coffee mug if I remember correctly. 👎

[@JohnDoe-i5z5c]

Disparu did a really good video on Section 31.

[@JohnDoe-i5z5c]

The way they wrote Section 31 as a single character’s “enemy” was a great way to show Bashir’s arc from his high Starfleet morals to essentially becoming Sloan at the end of the series. Case in point; when Bashir meets Sloan for the first time, Bashir says he would never violate the principles of Starfleet and the Federation. By the end of the series Bashir uses illegal, unethical immoral actions to invade Sloan’s dying mind to save Odo.

[@dbsommers1]

Sadler even admitted to Bashir his kind couldn't run things, people like Bashir were the backbone. Section 31 simply allowed them to do it.

[@mr_ozzio5095]

Wasn't it section-31 who were tailing McCoy in ST3, detaining him for mentioning the Genesis planet and trying rent a ship to get there?

[@markmongan]

I love the way Fry describes Trek in Futurama. It didn't just teach us to accept everyone whether they be black, white, Klingon or even female but what it did best was make us feel like we had a friend when we didn't have any in the real world.

[@MrHouseparty6]

Yes.

[@ijmad]

Man this hits home. I was a nerdy little kid in the late 80s / early 90s who loved maths and science and engineering before it was cool be a geek. Star Trek was part of the reason I stayed the course - if we could build a future like we saw on TV, perhaps it was worth it. Who the hell is being 'inspired' by Discovery or this shlock? Or even Picard for that matter? I succumbed to the Season 3 memberberries but it's not a story that teaches us moral and philosophical lessons and shows us the bright future we could build together.

[@FredScuttle456]

My all-time favourite Futurama line: Fry and Leela land on a new planet. FRY: I hope there's food because I'm hungry. LEELA: It's a Class M planet so there should be plenty of Roddenberries.

[@RCAvhstape]

"I think I've been to enough conventions to know how to spell 'Melvar'."

[@2012sonora]

I think Disparu nailed it in his recent video about this. In order to write a believable and interesting Section 31 story, you have to either have lived the realities of those sorts of moral quandries, or have the imagination to place yourself within it. But nobody in Hollywood now has any real-world experience of any kind these days, much less the hard-nosed pragmatism needed for this kind of story. The idea of doing unspeakable things to preserve a civilization you can never again be part of, for the good, is something that Kurtzman cannot even begin to contemplate. You want a good space heist show, watch Farscape.

[@jamesdalton2014]

I think the movie Serenity did Section 31 much better than modern Trek could ever do. The Operative worked alone, on the highest orders, to do what could not be done conventionally, for moral or practical reasons. He did unconscionable things to build a better world, knowing he could not and would not ever be a part of that world. He was a ghost with unquestionable authority and those who found out what he really was ended up dead. Shepherd Book was the other side of that particular coin - a former operative looking to redeem himself for what he had done and reclaim his soul. Modern Hollywood can't do these kinds of stories because, it is overrun by nepo-babies and diversity hires. Also, after the Me2 movement, they seem unwilling to hire male consultants to tell them how things are done in the real world. They don't want any competent males mansplaining why the writers' stupid BS would never fly in real life.

[@guyverGODZILLAheiseiERA]

thank *#KAHLESS* we had Farscape and to this day FARSCAPE is legendary…. But it was a different time WHEN QUALITY MATTERED …. Now any worthless ( Vulcan ) can get acclaim

[@apocalypsetedium]

The characters don't act like they're spies or agents. "Bad bitch?" They relate to each other like they're executives at an office Christmas party.

[@docsavage8640]

Not even that professional. They'd all lose their jobs the next day.

[@christovog]

Drunk middle managers you mean.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Star Trek Into Irrelevance

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Star trek Into Uranus

[@EbonyPope]

I saw that Star Trek: Strange New Worlds looked like the typical orange and teal color graded schlock but apparently the audience scores are quite high. At least you don't see open shilling going on or am I wrong? Because the critics and audience scores are both high although the audience rates it just above 70 I think. Anyone seen it? Is it really as bad as it looks? Then why are those ratings so high?

[@writerpatrick]

@@EbonyPope At this point, the only people who would watch it are Star Trek fans who just like anything Star Trek related. If you can work your way through Discovery you could probably tolerate it.

[@EbonyPope]

@@writerpatrick I only have once started watching some scenes from discovery but couldn't stomach it, no. Also Orange and Teal color grading in modern movies is just too much for me. Did you notice that too? People look like oranges in the face! Completely orange! And colors are look either fake or way too desaturated and too dark. That alone makes modern movies a slog to get through.

[@YourOlderBrotherChannel]

Kek

[@rhedosaurus2251]

Star Trek is actually pretty easy to fix. I have 7 easy steps. 1. Give all of Kurtzman Trek the boot. 2. Wait 4-5 years. 3. Say the only timelines that matter are the original timeline and the mirror Universe that Kirk and Sisko were in. 4. Start from where either DS9 ended or after Nemisis. 5. Have a new ship and crew. 6. Have *SOME* memberberries to ensure it takes part in the old timeline. 7. Bring back Berman and Ira Behr.

[@RabbitShirak]

8. Bring back moral and philosophical discussions. Ethical dilemmas are the very core of Star Trek! Devil in the Dark from TOS is a perfect example of this.

[@rhedosaurus2251]

​@@RabbitShirakThat's what Berman and Ira are for.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Time is irrelevant. If they produced a good Trek story, the fans would be all over it. Star Trek is dead, because they are incapable of producing the content that made Star Trek great.

[@homeworld1765]

9. Leave TOS alone. That whole era should've been retired with the Undiscovered Country, the stories of the 1701 and her crew ended with that film and we should've left it to rest. One of my biggest gripes with Kurtzman Trek is the bastardization of that era.

[@rhedosaurus2251]

@@Kyle-sr6jm I disagree. You need some time to help wash out/forget Kurtzman Trek.

[@Pepesilvia267]

Section 31 was so scary in DS9 because they were mysterious, you didnt know much about them, and they operated with unlimited power and authority. There was not 1 fight scene I recall because they were scary not because of fighting but because of gravitas.

[@ludovico6890]

Also, it was scary because it had a point. Sloane when he was introduced was not an enemy of Bashir: he was on the same side, he had the same love for the Federation, he believed in its principles. But he was Machiavellian to preserve it. Section 31 was scary and relatable. This is neither.

[@dandelong-yr4ci]

Same as Boba Fett. The more you know about it/them, the less cool they are.

[@channell11]

And they're relevant to the audience because they have the heir of secret government agencies in the real world-making moves behind the scenes and being the shadowy forces behind events and driving consipiracy theories. It doesn't work when there are whole movies about them that remove all the mystique.

[@jeffreyjameson9301]

Section 31 this is not. Star Trek this is not. I don't know WTF it is beyond self-pleasuring by the creators.

[@peterlang777]

it's game of thrones in space....garbage

[@TheRonan92]

Hollywood is self mastubatory by definition

[@rccc5806]

Cultural property destruction.

[@SkorjOlafsen]

It's so far from Trek that's I thought it was a perfectly reasonable 80s-style schlock SciFi. Maybe I just miss 80s schlock movies, but it was fine as a throwback to that era. Would have been far better as a comedy, of course, all the best of those were comedies.

[@SheldonAdama17]

At least Rebel Moon was bad in a way that was fun to rip apart. Section 31 was just plain bad.

[@KobayashiMaru-ed]

The question of which franchise has more life in it, Star Wars or Star Trek? That is like going in to a morgue and asking which corpse is more dead? Dead is dead.

[@SheldonAdama17]

He’s dead, Jim.

[@TestAcct46]

When I first saw the trailer for Section 31, my first reaction was "why the hell are they all dressed like that?"

[@rangerone8813]

I suspect the character relationships in S31 were inspired by the real life relationships of the writers and production teams. It’s all they know.

[@SkorjOlafsen]

You know, that would explain a lot.

[@Tobester_McDonkey]

New Star Trek abominations are like a Hollywood scene, the gay music, the vibe, the sets, the vapid dialogue... It's like the West Hollywood gay bar scene, nightclubs, fancy restaurants, fancy offices, standard hotel penthouses but in space... These people making modern Trek live in the Hollywood bubble and their wierd leftist lgbtqp reality reflects on everything they make... None of them have seen or love TNG, DS9, Voyager... It's total shiiiiiiiiiittttee and a disgrace

[@aaronearl7697]

Normally, I don't buy into "leftist" or "right-wing" accusations, as they arise from our screwed-up, divisive politics. However, there is something "culturally" wrong with the new Star Trek shows. They do seem like the "Hollywood scene" and "Section 31" was particularly disgusting. Star Trek needs to take a pause for about ten or fifteen years, long enough for J. J. Abrams, Alex Kurtzman, Bad Robot and everyone else who has been pissing on the franchise since 2009 to just disappear.

[@aldunlop4622]

I think they saved on the budget by filming it at Alex Kurtzman's house.

[@vicmwaf]

An academy award doesn't mean the fans voted or the regular people watch it

[@tccandler]

People used to get excited for Scorsese and De Palma and Bertolucci and Kubrick and Fellini films. This world has become infantilized... and this is the inevitable result. Let's all grow up and stop letting kiddie-flicks dictate the direction of cinema.

[@mlbreel]

I blame Lucas and Spielberg. They were the death of cinema!

[@RCAvhstape]

@@mlbreel You're not entirely right, but you're on to something. Jaws and Star Wars were the beginning, but we got a good 2+ solid decades of fun movies out of it, even more if you consider the good ones from the 2000s/2010s. The cultural shift to hard left nonsense is what has really destroyed movies and legacy franchises. But you're right about Spielberg and Lucas bringing an end to the gritty, introspective films of the 1970s, films that weren't meant to be "blockbusters" but just solid dramas that didn't cost half the GDP of France to make and didn't have to rake in millions just to break even. Back in the prime Dustin Hoffman, Robert Redford, Clint Eastwood, and Gene Hackman days.

[@mlbreel]

you understood my point completely. :) I didn’t want to spell it all out as I knew there would be lovers of cinema that understood the slow erosion into nothing but so-called “blockbusters”. I love many of the films that came from this shift into “entertainment”… but it did start the ball rolling to todays utterly disappointing Hollywood dross. :(

[@tyler4418]

NuTrek Section 31 went to the "Sterling Archer School of Spycraft" apparently... 🙄

[@benstanfill363]

Sounds like archer would be better somehow.

[@waynedutton3737]

I have more faith in Gas Station Sushi than the future of ST and SW

[@hammyhamster8349]

Gary: "Musical Klingons, that's all I've got to say." I was trying to forget! Worf would have died from embarrassment and probably killed a few others first. Kurtzmann should be arrested for crimes against humanity.

[@sbkeel5639]

Jeremy: Which do you have more hope for Star Trek or Star Wars? Me: You are asking which smells better Lion poop or Tiger poop. They are both big stinky piles of shit and probably won't change anytime soon! Thankfully I can separate old gold and new trash so I can still appreciate reruns from time to time...

[@Se7enBeatleofDoom]

Section 31? More like middle age women shopping at forever 21.

[@docsavage8640]

62 years old is well past middle age

[@kri249]

She's not even cougar material. Plus you know an asian woman is old when they start looking their age.

[@DaddyBiscuits]

@@docsavage8640 forever middle age.

[@rector0455]

​@@docsavage8640I'm gonna be honest here, I still would.

[@MrHouseparty6]

(Fade-in, 40k Imperial Strike Cruiser after going off-course and exiting Warp, enters into standard orbit around section 31 M-Class planet) Crewman : Captain, planet is not Imperial, but Vox is able to intercept traffic. Captain : LET ME HEAR. (listens for a hot minute, face contorts into angry scowl) Gun Crews! Load Cyclonic Torpedoes: EXTERMINATUS. The End.

[@sigmacademy]

Tau looks up: "Humans. Always f*®¥€¢π√÷ humans, man."

[@RionE23]

Star Trek was the only sci-fi that had a hopeful outlook on the future. Now it’s a drone of the woke collective that seeks to destroy what came before.

[@aldunlop4622]

Feminists and Anarchists...

[@Volkbrecht]

To be fair, Star Trek was always woke to the point of cringe. Just rewatch some of the OG episodes or TNG if you don't believe me. It's just that back in those days there wasn't a quasi-fascist movement going on to accompany the shows, so nobody took offence of how ham-fisted the presentation of social issues was handled. Pre-netflix, TV series were supposed to be bad :)

[@JohnSmith-oq4cb]

They could totally make Star Trek great again. Just make a simple new series without time travel or alternate universes/realities, have a captain that actually looks and talks like a captain, maybe set it in the delta quadrant like 100 years after Voyager.

[@TheJohn8765]

I have no idea why they thought a weepy, emotional captain would be followed by her crew. If my RL boss was constantly having breakdowns, I'd get a new job. Like, how did she even get thru officer training? No service would tolerate a command-level officer who wasn't 100% stable (they control weapons that can sterlize a planet).

[@DaddyBiscuits]

@@TheJohn8765 Ok, hear me out... Star Trek: Laundry. Star Trek: Loose Women / The View. Star Trek Island. Star Trek's Got Talent. Star Trek: Period all over the place. Star Trek: Hookers. Star Trek: Fleabag.

[@JohnSmith-oq4cb]

@ lol

[@sigmacademy]

Beta, Delta and Gamma Quadrants are largely left unexplored, as well as other galaxies hinted at in the TOS. Any series about any of those be decent IF you had an actual Trekkie making those.

[@garytsang5673]

@@TheJohn8765 the writers, and the entire production follows weepy, emotional leaders, and DEI officers and CEO, they have exactly the idea.

[@sirloin8745]

Any updates on the #Critical_Doggo?

[@michaelholt8590]

Also let me say this about Star Trek. As far as my generation goes, Star Trek was always a progressive show. The Next Generation was a progressive show but it was still a very entertaining show. They don't know how to do that now. They have actually lost the skills to make these products now.

[@TheJohn8765]

I think the modern progressive is all about telling rather than showing. TNG def could have heavy-handed episodes but they didn't constantly beat you over the head with it. It was just in the background as an assumption rather than constantly making it front and centre.

[@ReinoldFZ]

Hmm, I am apolitical but one could say the show, TNG at least, was very conservative in the sense of it meant to be a natural progression of what was before, not in the way of progressives or Marxists in which they reject the past and any symbol of it should be desecrated in sake of ideology. I think TNG implied they were in a sort of communist utopia, in the sense of no poverty and comfort for everybody, but it didn't seem to hate the past.

[@christovog]

I would say liberal and beautifully done a good deal of the time. This is 2024/25 full throttle off the cliff progressivism.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

Original Star Trek was not transhumanist... And I mean that in the death of the human soul, Luciferan exaltation of pure logic. EVEN THOUGH people think it's an atheistic world-- Spock and Bones were representations of Left and Right. And even Data wanted to be a flawed human...

[@Volkbrecht]

Objection, your honor! They didn't know how to do it back then, either. It was only entertaining because as a sci-fi show, it was one of a kind, and there was no general political movement behind it, so it was easy to forgive the cringe. TV series have come a long way since OG Star Trek and TNG.

[@paulgiacomantonio9802]

“Unification” did so much more in a few short minutes than the entirety of the Abrams and Kurtzman empty offerings.

[@smallcd]

In this movie, how much on the Discovery Scale is there of Crying, Insubordination, Girlbossing, and "For Modern Audiences"?

[@SkorjOlafsen]

I'd say "does not apply". There's only one character actually in StarFleet, and they make fun of her for it. It's more like a SciFi Suicide Squad than a Trek movie (other than some member berries in the intro, there was nothing Trek at all really). Perhaps a bit of girlbossing, but better in that regard than anything recent from SW, ST, or Marvel. Low bar, admittedly. Really, its problem was not particularly that is was "for modern audiences" but that it was 80s schlock but took itself seriously. Had they made it as a light-hearted comedy it might actually have been good. Heck, 80% of the stuff that didn't work would IMO have worked in a comedy.

[@docsavage8640]

All Star Trek needs to come back is a well written anthology series set aboard an exploration vessel, probably 100 years post-Picard, or better yet decanonize Picard and proceed 100 years post-TNG. The problem is they can't manage "well written" anymore.

[@DaddyBiscuits]

Ster Trek: Re-run. Sorted.

[@pablo1835rigel]

I'd like to see how the Vulcans managed to rebuild their civilization.

[@christovog]

​@@pablo1835rigelFrom what? The prime timeline Vulcan is fine ...

[@nunyabizness6595]

Alex Klutzman. Failing upwards (somehow.) 😂😂😂

[@David-cf2iq]

To boldly go where no one should have ever gone...

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Star Trekians of the Galaxy

[@chrisb9960]

What would you do with the cash if you were not paying for streaming services?

[@SheldonAdama17]

Consume massive quantities of Toilet Duck and book a “special massage” with Tatyana

[@SheldonAdama17]

(Cut to photo of fully stocked bar as “Hallelujah” plays)

[@xgray2012]

Spend it things that do matter more than a wasted subscription on of streaming service that I barely even use.

[@zygo0]

Wait, we’re supposed to pay?

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Buy a pastry and a small soda ?

[@Cancoillotteman]

If Yeoh somehow asked her husband to negociate her contract, I would then be surprised she ONLY got 12 millions out of it. Nobody messes with Jean Todt !

[@docsavage8640]

Marvel isn't turning anything around as long as Feige is in charge.

[@patthetech]

I'm not even going to pirate that.

[@ShootAUT]

I really don't understand why so many people think, and always thought, that Rogue One was good. It's only "good" by today's standards. Except for _THAT_ Vader scene at the end, the movie was mediocre at best, even back then.

[@rector0455]

I hate that scene Vader's mobility is clearly very unrestricted vs the OT which picks up _immediately_ after. Then there's the part where he just apologized sarcastically to an insubordinate underling like a catty school girl.

[@stevefrench7036]

Star Trek now really goes where no-one should have gone before.

[@MrBentham]

Watch the first 3 seasons of Star Trek the original series, it will blow you away at how good it is compared to the new stuff.

[@TheJohn8765]

Ehh, It's so campy, tho. The whole vaseline lens effect. It's a product of its time even if Gene was trying to be progressive in the 60's.

[@MrBentham]

@TheJohn8765 Journey to Babel is one of my favorite episodes. Don't know if you've seen it, but it made me appreciate ST.

[@johntabler349]

I rewatch it probably every year all the way through the movies so many small things that add up to it's greatness

[@rector0455]

Despite being a huge Trek fan, having watched DS9, TNG and VOY more times than I can recall, I've never once made it past the first episode of TOS.

[@johntabler349]

@rector0455 each to his own that's how I am with DS9 and I have never made it through the first season of Voyager, they are less human to me

[@richardmcgowan1651]

Star Trek is never coming back. The new owners are in for a shock even if they get ride of everyone. Star Trek's time is past.

[@lacolem1]

Rogue One and Picard Season 3 are messy and contradictory, yet they come across as masterpieces compared to everything around them

[@MrBentham]

I knew since the Jar Jar Star Trek movies that it was over. It's ST for people who don't like or understand ST. These people wanted to fundamentally change ST and did it by sprinkling 'member berries and the desperate fans ate it up. The shows are even worse.

[@liwojenkins]

Almost any 62 year old women who tried to pull any of the combat moves she did in what I have seen would probably break a hip, not knock down full grown men. I saw her throw a leg sweep that looked like a white belt on his first day. it's too ridiculous for me to suspend disbelief or watch.

[@Wileylikethehawk]

All they need to do to win everyone over is make Captain Worf. We would all watch that show.

[@zanleekain117]

Not if it was written by the current yahoos, they would spend the whole series having girl boss side characters brow beating him into submission until he becomes a self hating beta. No thanks.

[@pablo1835rigel]

Along with the much-needed Sulu series.

[@aldunlop4622]

No thanks, I can't stand Worf.

[@josephleisses3997]

@@aldunlop4622 Purely out of curiosity, why? What about the character don't you enjoy, and what would you change to make him more enjoyable to yourself?

[@hopelessedgelord]

Best Star Trek in years was Seth Mcfarlane's The Orville of all the people to make an amazing Star Trek show it was him.

[@theCinemaHaus]

I always get a kick out of devices that put someone "out of phase" with their physical surroundings (also super powered characters in comics that can do this). It's like, first... how are you breathing and second, why aren't you sinking to the planets core? In this case, through the ship.

[@sigmacademy]

It was a device that was installed in a secret Starfleet project in a TNG episode, but ship got stuck in Rock when the tried it. The technology might have been Romulan, but it also means that yet again, they put things in there that might break stories that are supposed to follow after theirs.

[@johntabler349]

SG1 spoofed themselves on this one in the Wormhole extreme episode

[@cleanerben9636]

the biggest fail with star trek was that there was, and still is, an audience waiting for something like it which was proved with the Orville.

[@philipc2025]

Correction. Kuntzman is in charge of trash purporting to be Star Trek.

[@SG-js2qn]

Obviously, they're failing to realize that at it's core ... Star Trek is a musical, with a lot of dancing.

[@ad-sd-vids5332]

This movie is the Borderlands 2024 of Star Trek

Holy sht I haven't heard Gary's hot takes in months. "mArVeL iS hEaLiNg" and noone even challenges him. I am disappointed Mauler. Does he mean the red harrison ford??

[@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor]

You know you fucked up when IGN isn't impressed.

[@GnomesbecomeUngnomes]

Me like Drinker. He think good.

[@GnomesbecomeUngnomes]

Mauler good too. Nerdrotic great think. Brain good.

[@EbonyPope]

But not too much think. Think makes brain hurt. Careful must be.

[@carlrood4457]

The only time a Starfleet Academy project would have made sense is in the aftermath of the TNG episode, First Duty. It could have followed Wesley after he was no longer the golden boy. He and his former teammates have to redeem themselves.

[@sigmacademy]

Didn't Wesley leave the Academy after that accident that killed someone, and then traveled with the Traveler?

[@tigerbread78]

​@sigmacademy No, the accident happened in late season 5, he next returned in season 7, which is when he dropped out of the academy, that's about 2 years later

[@rector0455]

After that whole incident with Not Tom Paris? 😆

[@TheWarmachine375]

Star Wars Continues was more faithful to the Star Trek source material. Change my mind.

[@michaelbeemer8019]

“You get your money, girl.” THAT’S what *I* said!!! She deserves to cash in, and isn’t to blame for the crap they gave her to work with.

[@kaleiohu]

The idea of a Star Fleet Academy show has been tossed around for a long time because on paper it makes sense. In the old days the execs were just wary of anything without a ship in it, even DS9 eventually got the Defiant. It could work under the right guidance, but if it tries the Discovery approach then it's going to fail much harder than Discovery did.

[@docsavage8640]

Just wait till they blame "Asian hate" for its failure

[@DaddyBiscuits]

Serve you right for not more viorin plactice.

[@BlueHans]

I suffered through 3 episodes of STD, 3 episodes of SNW and season 1 and 2 of Picard. I will never watch anymore of Kurtzman Trek. Star Trek died in 2005. Period. Looking forward to watching 1966-2005 Trek with my kid.

[@clayjohanson]

“Andor” is the only, and last, piece of “Star Wars” left worth watching. After that, it’s dead. “Star Trek” has been dead for a while now.

[@mister1000]

This crapiest thing about this movie, I was actually really interested to see something focusing on Section 31 for a couple decades.

[@adipauleng]

Kurtzman and Sundance at Tanagra

[@OmegaPaladin144]

Star Trek Online has a better storyline that feels more like Trek than this. Seriously, it is a better use of your time than Kurtzman Trek.

[@NATESUCKSATGAMING]

Nerdrotic is wrong. She isnt a good actors. Show me an example of her acting. She plays the same charater every time from what ive seen. Thats not talent thats being yourself and having a good agent.

[@apocalypsetedium]

She's made a career out of being a great physical actor. But I agree, she's not displayed a lot of range.

[@EbonyPope]

She is an excellent stunt performer even Jackie Chan has huge respect for her. Credit where credit is due. Both of them aren't actors with huge range and border on silly but boy are they excellent when it comes to martial art. That is what they do best and there is no shame in admitting that they really are that outstanding.

[@JoseMendoza-df1ld]

I like her Hong Kong stuff, but I've enjoyed HK action movies since I was a kid so I'm biased.

[@joshslater2426]

I just saw her in Tomorrow Never Dies, and she’s one of my favourite Bond girls because of it. She’s not got a massive acting range, but she’s by no means bad. She’s great with the action choreography though.

[@tdata545]

When I was in high school, I was home alone with my dad, and we were both SUPER BORED. I suggested the local Anime Convention. TOTALLY NOT HIS THING. He surprisingly took me, we go for two hours and then it's an awkward walk to the car. I thank him, get in and then first 10 minutes dead awkward silence. I know exactly why, and I break it; "Dad, I know exactly what you're thinking, and couldn't agree more..." Then for the rest of the 30 minutes back home we just shat all over it. That moment made me realize, I HAVE ZERO CAPACITY FOR FANDOM IN ANYTHING. Sports, media, hobby, etc... So watching these properties fail as a man who has hated both, makes me happy. Smash all the glass unicorns. Edit: This ended up being my favorite memory of him.

[@Marconius6]

I will defend the musical Klingons, I think they fit in perfectly well with the more campy, TOS-style vibe that SNW is going for; like tell me you couldn't see a TOS episode where everyone is forced to sing for some reason. I do wish they'd made them sing opera though! Newer Star Trek still has a lot of good stuff, a lot of it is just preceeded by poor marketing, a bad first season(s) or just has a lower budget. Lower Decks is generally great, Picard Season 3 was good, Prodigy is aimed at kids but still good, hell even the last season of Discovery was pretty decent! Star Trek would be just fine if they gave all the money and attention to the right directors and writers, instead of throwing it away at crap like Section 31 while canceling all the shows people actually liked.

[@theequalizer9154]

That episode is something that Mel Brooks would have created, if he were doing a mockery film of Star Trek. Just as he did with, "Spaceballs" compared to Star Wars.

[@marcusjosefsson4998]

I really don't get the panning of SNW. Does it have poor episodes? Oh yeah, and that musical is one of the worst. But honestly the entire first season of TNG was pretty bad...

[@RCAvhstape]

An insufferable foil to a side character from a parallel universe that no longer officially exists...sounds like how I feel about my own life sometimes lol.

[@matthewgerwing6520]

Picard season 3 is vomit too; there might not be as many chunks in it...

[@lonesomealeks4206]

Yes! I don't get why some people liked it, it's garbaggio

[@breach005]

'Memberberr Trek can still go fuck itself with Klingon pain sticks indeed

[@rickmartin7596]

Picard season 3 was a nostalgia trip -- yes, a desperate attempt to bring back diehard fans. If only the studio took the hint . . . .

[@Malefactor]

When I was young and really into DS9, I thought the concept of Section 31 was interesting, but even then I thought they came off as a little too cartoonishly evil. To no surprise an entire movie dedicated to them released in Current Year has boldly gone even more ridiculous.

[@aldunlop4622]

Section 31 isn't evil.

[@chr1998is]

The key to good Star Trek is actually in its original mission statement and should never have been messed with. EXPLORATION Exploration in New concepts and ways of thinking Exploration of the human condition Exploration in scientific theory based from actual science fact. That’s what’s been lost. I’m not inspired by these characters at all.

[@JonahsWail]

Dunno how Michelle Yeoh let herself get wrangled into this project

[@JonahsWail]

Edit - Oh $12 mill, I see

[@docsavage8640]

They put a checkbook to her head.

[@TheJohn8765]

@@JonahsWail Yah, I don't blame her at all. Net 6 or 7 mill after agent and taxes for 3 or 4 months work? Absolutely. Sign me up!

[@JonahsWail]

@@TheJohn8765 certainly. If the world gives you a path to total autonomy and freedom, do yourself a favor and take it.

[@Pepesilvia267]

Remember a lady of the night will do everything for $50. Almost any actor or actress would take the worst script and movie for $12mil. Popular celebs would discriminate but ones that are sliding into obscurity will take anything.

[@winstonjwingo]

I would have liked to see a star trek elite forces spin off or maybe the academy but their last year as cadets before they get staffed. I dont want star trek the high school musical years

[@Richard.Oldham]

I consider orville to be more star trek than star trek.

[@marcusjosefsson4998]

McFarlane really did good there, bringing good true Star Trek writers together.

[@TheVisualDigitalArts]

I think the biggest change in media is when there is a military portrayed in movies or games there’s no more military professionalism. You see this in starwars, trek , cod , battlefield ect..

[@EarJuice]

I can't believe we got Andor season 2 coming. Can't wait. So good.

[@ReinoldFZ]

9:50 totally agree with Jeremy. Rogue One may have very good moments, an impeccable esthetic and a good cast... but is a bit tedious.

[@AtlatlMan]

I came to realise the only reason I liked Rogue One was the nostlgia bait of the final battle. Its otherwise rather forgettable. We all know Kyle Katarn stole the Death Star plans anyway.

[@julianbashir8277]

They need to cancel Starfleet academy now

[@cessnaace]

The problem is that the American entertainment industry has been devolving for several years now. No one in Hollywood knows even the basics on the art of storytelling anymore. Its all corporate slop and propaganda which they aren't even attempting to hide anymore. I started watching Star Trek in 1972, and my mother watched TOS when the series was still in production and airing on NBC. The ironic thing is that series creator Gene Roddenberry had originally pitched the series to CBS, and they rejected it. I met Gene Roddenberry 3 times and he once told me that CBS had pretended to be interested, grilling him on ways to produce a Sci-Fi series while at the same time keeping the budget relatively low. After meeting with the CBS executives for hours they basically thanked him for his time but said that they already had a Sci-Fi series in the works, "Lost in Space." So CBS, who didn't want the series to begin with, is now in charge of it.

[@coulsonintahiti]

I think Star Trek could still come back, but it's gonna be a long hard road, like with Transformers (which is still kinda up in the air). I truly believe Star Trek will be good again someday, even if it's post-public-domain. For now, I'm kinda hoping the people making fan films try making their own things, maybe surpassing current Trek and starving out the trash until Paramount realizes they have to shape up (fat chance of that last part happening though)

[@wkadalie]

I think it will be pretty easy to make it good again. Just get good writers...and creatives...that love Star trek. I think of Cobra kai....it's by fans for fans. Not sure why they hire people who hate what Star trek is....

[@coulsonintahiti]

@@wkadalie because they hate ST themselves

[@dcarr8816]

Kurtzman has been pushing for his beloved Section 31 show for ages and the fans kept screaming NO! Nearly all the fans were saying that Section 31 was never going to be made. I think Kurtzman took that as a challenge and once Michelle won her Oscar, he used that leverage to get his way just so he would have the satisfaction of giving the fans the finger and basically saying, “You’re getting Section 31 even if I have to shove it down your collective throats!” It’s Kurtzmans revenge on the fans he despises.

[@paulvmarks]

Get rid of Kurtzman and Secret Hideout - he and J.J. Abrams have done terrible harm.

[@iuhawkeyelaw]

I don’t recognize any Star Trek after enterprise as canon

[@davidaustin5622]

The corpse of Star Trek was dug up, pissed on, and thrown back in the pit.

[@exploatores]

maybe someone should do a documentary about how the script was created. section 8 sounds like a good name for it.

[@ArwenUndomiel406]

8:54“People are just looking for something that isn’t shit at this point.” True, but Jesus fucking Christ, the bar has fallen criminally low. We as the audience also gotta raise our standards. We deserve great, amazing movies and not just something “that isn’t shit”.

[@chronicbrightside8757]

Wild that we got Unification - something beautiful and made to touch and move long-time fans - and that was followed up with Section 31, which by all metrics seems to be made for... no one

[@docsavage8640]

Star Trek Into Bankruptcy

[@allank534]

I think we can all agree Trek died in 2005, end of! The only good Trek since is Prodigy!!

[@puppiesarepower3682]

We can all agree Star Wars died when it was sold off to Rat Mouse.

[@ManOfEthnicity]

Technically it’s been in the works for like 30 years because it was spawn from a side plot on DS9. It was always an idea that people wanted expanded upon but not in the format modern shows are done in. Something like OG X files could have worked.

[@darphox]

Hey, I thought SNW's musical episode was pretty funny!

[@thedisgruntledjedi8637]

Not to Disagree with Nerdrotic. Star Trek could be saved much more easily then Star Wars for the exact reason that he said. Discovery-Nu-Trek has no cultural impact. if they were to completely end it now. Take a few years to craft a very good entry and put it out to the general public not on some stupid streaming service that no one has it would land just fine and respawn interest in the actual show (the 60's to 2005 era). Star Wars Disney will never stop and the bad entries are too heavily in the cultural space and people know about it and fight about openly even people that aren't star trek fans. Sure some Star Trek fans like the new stuff, but any fights would be internal in the fanbase. Star Wars would be out in the cultural space.

[@mrhj626]

"Look on my works and despair" Alex kurtzman

[@darkdawnbringer]

Star trek is so easy to make good, and they stil F it up every time... They could just have a ship called enterprise go into space and run into (spin the wheel of star trek races) and do (thing that suits that race) and it would be a succes... Run into the Ferengi? trade stuf and moral dispute, run into the Klingons? battle episode about honor, run into the Andorians? spy and subterfuge episode! et cetera... At this point i'd gladly watch some young white guys in uniform going: "Fire photon torpedos, full spread, and Shields at 70 % Captain" for 30 episodes...

[@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp]

I would rather watch this than learn that Star Spock is autistic and has a sister. I think people are forgetting just how bad new Star Trek is. Section 31 is a terrible action comedy, but it's harmless.

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

Always watchable: a movie about ideas. Never watchable: a movie about ideologies.

[@weareharbinger914]

The idea of section 31 was always intriguing. That in a hostile universe, Star fleet and the federation couldn't maintain their ideals flawlessly, and that is why 31 existed. 20 years ago, a show made centered on that might be alright, but I think they function much better in the shadows. I have not watched it, but what i have seen makes it look like generic modern slop. So, you know, like most modern star trek.

[@aldunlop4622]

Alex Kurtzman destroyed Star Trek, made it a worthless brand, and took down Paramount with him, and turned it into a worthless studio. If Skydance persists with him, I'm convinced we are living in the Mirror Universe.

[@sigmacademy]

Drinker says "comically sad", I'm saying "tragically sad", as an ex-Trekkie. And from what I'm seeing, 40K is running down the same path, regardless of what its player base is claiming.

[@jacksparrow9227]

Just having young actors doesn't mean the younger audience will watch, movies exist with only adult characters that non-adults can watch