Drinker's Chasers - The End Of Legacy Media

[@squoblat]

Topgun Maverick is probably the only good example of a legacy sequel.

[@MSgt5J071]

Maybe Blade Runner 2049...yeah, it had some issues with the story and some of the characters, but they nailed the visuals, the world building, and the music. No one could ever beat the original, but I was pleasantly surprised at how good Blade Runner 2049 was.

[@squoblat]

@@MSgt5J071 Good shout actually, I very much enjoyed 2049. It's one of those films where I find something new every time I watch it.

[@rickswordfire4774]

TG:M avoided wokeness because it's meant to be military propaganda

[@RCAvhstape]

​@@rickswordfire4774found the wokester

[@snowman22ism]

​@@rickswordfire4774I think the original top gun was intended for that but I don't think Maverick was. It was just a cool movie. Modern-day technology as in drones is taking over and trying to get people to be fighter pilots isn't nearly as important as it used to be...

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Risk aversion is demolishing film and television, while ironically being designed to be a safe bet. You'd think they would have learned by now, unless it's actually all just a tax scheme.

[@ephraimwinslow]

You'd be amazed at how little people learn when they have no pressing financial incentive to do so. They will put it off for DECADES, waiting until they hit the FAFO line. Then, and *ONLY* then do they start to think: "Hey... maybe... maybe I dun goofed."

[@MrReubenTishkoff]

​​@@ephraimwinslowThey are already entering FAFO territory. But you may be right in that they need to experience it for a prolonged period and have their accounts thoroughly drained to be kicked into action.

[@gruby970]

It's a "ram The Message" scheme

[@brandonscott9747]

Money laundering via "art" is an old strategy.

[@Abcd-up3us]

It’s not entirely demolishing film, I don’t know bout television because I have not watched any modern show since maybe Breaking bad. But studios like A24 have been cranking out fantastic movies for the past 15-20 years. And they’re still doing it so it’s not like they’re getting destroyed by it, and they make excellent one-off films that are not based on any existing IP, so it is possible to do that and be successful, but stupid Hollywood producers don’t see that, so they only want to get behind sequels and stuff like that.

[@MMDelta9]

Willing to bet you'll hear the term "toxic masculinity" in the American Psyco remake more than once.

[@Cancoillotteman]

not "incel violence" on this one ?

[@inendlesspain4724]

Don't forget "white supremacy", we saw that with the first Joker film.

[@StajoLaBell]

17 times most likely

[@be_quiet_and_drive]

100 percent

[@Unknown-UpTown-Resident]

ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT!! 🤣 or.... It will be a total flip on the classic and be made for "modern audiences", hopefully not tho

[@repapeti98]

Fun fact: the new Dr. Dolittle was so bad that when my girlfriend and I watched it, I started doing chores. I feel like that with most Hollywood productions.

[@Junglelove20mm]

Jeez, how many of these did they make!?!?

[@guyincognito1406]

Haha I only know of the 1. Driven to chores by a movie lol I’ve been there.

[@nittojoe136]

The only Dr.Doolittle is Eddie Murphy

[@booshmcfadden7638]

I did this with The Eternals and Dr Strange 2. I started looking at my phone cuz they were irritating me with the forced messaging. I got up to get a drink and started cleaning the kitchen and put in laundry while they were still playing. The crazy thing was I missed almost nothing.

[@eamonia]

You're either just fucking around or way younger than me. Everybody knows that Rex Harrison is the _real,_ O.G. Dr. Doolittle. "Eddie Murphy..." You're funny, kid.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

I tried to get a friends 10 year old daughter to watch a classic Studio Ghibli film, and about 10 mins in she complained it was slow and boring. That's the impact of a lifetime of tablet use since she was 2.

[@ephraimwinslow]

Dude? This progression is just getting started. These are the absolute worst young people who have ever existed.

[@georgejones3526]

I’ve felt the same way when watching old movies that I’ve not seen before and I’m 73. It’s like trying to read a novel written in the 1940’s versus a modern novel, the writing style has changed with time. But then again, every Christmas I watch “Babes in Toyland” and “Scrooge” with Alistair Sim, and reread Golden Age science fiction.

[@Cyraxior]

@@georgejones3526 To be fair, I'm in my late thirties and I kind of feel the same way these days.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@ It's called ADHD. It's not a phoquin' mystery, my guy.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

@ephraimwinslow It's called excessive dopamine delivery from constant stimuli since way too early an age.

[@HenrySchecker]

"Legacy Sequel" A.k.a. the Ghostbusters (2016) effect "Oh fuck! Our reboot shit the bed so badly we gotta save the franchise! Quick dial up the original movie's cast and nostalgia bait the FUCK out of the trailer!"

[@ephraimwinslow]

It's like: "We changed to New Coke and everyone hates it! Quick, add half the ingredients of Old Coke back into the mix and hope nobody notices the difference!"

[@fr0ck360]

That movie really left it’s legacy for the worse. I hate it so much

[@kennyx6796]

may i say snarky has nice assets?

[@BachelorDinosaur]

Objectively I know the last couple of Ghostbusters movies have had issues (too many characters, too much key jangling, etc), but I still enjoyed them. Paul Rudd goes a surprisingly long way to get me to forgive anything and the last one reminded me of the cartoon. It felt less self-serious. But anyway, Blade Runner 2049 and Doctor Sleep were both legacy sequels that I enjoyed. DS in particular was ridiculously effective at managing to be a sequel to the film and the book versions of The Shining without contradicting each other. Other modern ones that worked for me: Bill & Ted 3, the Creed films and Fury Road. (I don’t count Furiosa, though I thought it was also pretty good.)

[@anubusx]

I did not like Afterlife or Frozen Empire.

[@travtotheworld]

Godzilla Minus One was made for $10 million. What the alternative to legacy media needs is honest to goodness producers who can sell ideas and raise money to make content.

[@fyrchmyrddin1937]

I suspect that AI improvement will have devastating effects on the H'wood oligarchy because it drags the technical requirements into the level of "everyman". There are already a number of excellent quality 'homebrew' studios, like YewTub's "DUST", and one can extrapolate far greater success for their productions as they improve technically to the point they're on par with studio dross like "The Chronicles of Riddick".

[@krissteel4074]

I've said it for a while now, new blood into the business. Get the young, healthy, hungry and professional people into the game where they're not spending squillions on rubbish and if they're going to spend money anywhere its got to be in good quality writing. Heck I can watch nobodies in cardboard costumes running around a nature reserve if the story is great.

[@juanmoretime7558]

THANK YOU. So many people sleep on Godzilla and the fact they made it for 10 million. Every Hollywood producer should be reviewing this budget to see how it can apply to local projects. It’s ridiculous that every movie needs to earn a billion cause they’re costing 250M to make and then need about that amount for marketing too

[@fammader96]

I think Hollywood is money laundering like art does. The money is definitely not in the product!

[@writerpatrick]

@@juanmoretime7558 The Hollywood system is broken. You have to have so many support and specialists to even film a commercial.

[@kgjung2310]

There is no need for a remake/sequel to "American Psycho." You can see it now in California and Canadian politics with Newsom and Trudeau.

[@anubusx]

I agree i love the film.

[@bewmdogg]

They should do it with Trump. "His flag is more down than mine"

[@B1G_WENGH]

@@kgjung2310 why can’t you? It’s based on a book. And American Psycho already got a straight to dvd sequel years ago.

[@JimH.]

@@B1G_WENGH /whoosh

[@13TeK11]

A 2025 Goonies remake should be called "The Gooners"

[@Sixstringman]

Go away! Baitin!

[@ryckarduhryckarduh180]

Or the goners

[@squoblat]

Goonies 2: Okay Gooner

[@marjiusmarjius1722]

Thank you man. Made my day

[@RedHeadKevin]

The Girl-nies

[@Vindicator18]

I think it was John Carpenter who said that the great thing is if you don't like the sequel or reboot, you can go back and watch the original. These things manage to put eyes on the good movies from the 80's and 90's. The Crow and Roadhouse are prime examples.

[@B1G_WENGH]

@@Vindicator18 These guys failed at that realization because they still make videos and talk about The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker, even though those movies came out over 5 years ago.

[@jasonl1942]

Not for me personally. The new releases tend to tarnish the memory of the great originals, because when I go back and watch them, I'm constantly reminded of how crappy it's going to become with later releases and it ruins it for me.

[@HammerHeart3229]

@@jasonl1942 It depends on the movie/TV show for me. For example the OG Star Wars trilogy has been somewhat tainted for me because of the Disney trilogy where as The first two Terminator movies I still absolutely love and for whatever reason I'm able to look past the terrible sequels and not let them ruin my love for the first two movies (Although Terminator 3 is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me).

[@jasonl1942]

@HammerHeart3229 yeah I get that. Some you're able to and others you can't. I find as I get older I'm just tired of Hollywood producing crap just to make money off of sentimentality and nostalgia of something that once was revolutionary and original. It's hard to believe these studios once took a chance on radical film makers with great vision that given the chance created ageless legacy films, and now the same studios would rather be all flash and no substance and drive those old films into the ground instead of taking more chances. Greed breeds apathy.

[@BigIndividual]

This also applies to MSM as well, it’s all crashing down…it’s wonderful

[@caskinfg]

We'll see how wonderful it is

[@casualcausalityy]

KZbin is better, and with the censorship KZbin sucks something awful. The market is ready for more alternatives

[@casualcausalityy]

KZbin is better, and with the censorship KZbin sucks something awful. The market is ready for more alternatives

[@casualcausalityy]

YT suppressed response

[@GayFrogsTho]

You love to see it

[@ephraimwinslow]

It's starting to happen. The Apparatchiks are realizing they're viewed the same way that used car salesmen are. And rightly so, because that's how trustworthy they are.

[@haydenhazen815]

This is a great video. I have been watching KZbin videos more than anything that woke Hollywood makes these days. It goes to show you that we are all sick and tired of this woke crap that Hollyweird keeps releasing.

[@lonepigeon68]

Never mind actual fans not listening to legacy media, it doesn't take much time or thought for the most casual of movie goers to be painfully aware of sheer scale of the shilling going on. It's one thing to promote a movie, it's quite another to pay for insincere reviews and ratings on a regular basis.

[@eamonia]

It already happened. KZbin gets a thousand times more view than Hollywood. It's turned into a search engine with video output instead of text and pictures.

[@leonardodavi2695]

11:05 "The really important aspect to our sort of contribution of the current industry is the fact that we match a lot of what the audience feels." YES! Mauler hit the nail on the head with nanometric precision there. Most of us got tired of subpar content but couldn't quite put eloquently into words what exactly was wrong with it untill we found your channels. It's no wonder we stuck around for so long.

[@kevinfurr3311]

I'm fairly new to seeing these guys do reviews and talk about it and I'm finding that watching them is much more entertaining than seeing the movies themselves

[@leonardodavi2695]

@kevinfurr3311 it is. More and more people are gravitating towards them because they are authentic. Not to mention very good content creators. I met Mauler's channel around the time he made his legendary TLJ critique. Drinker's channel i found not long after. They're top tier.

[@booshmcfadden7638]

I agree with SW Theory. YT content is more entertaining than what Hollywood is pumping out. And, BONUS, the YTrs I find entertaining don't slander me.

[@snowman22ism]

KZbin content is not more entertaining. It only feels that way because you can search for exactly what you want to see at any given time. I thought the same thing at one point but now struggle to find something that doesn't bore me. KZbin does the same thing. They find something they think you like and they beat it to death. It definitely still has its bright spots but it's falling down the same path. A lot of these KZbinrs have gotten a taste for money and now that's all that matters. They might say otherwise but the bottom line is everyone wants to make as much money as possible.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@ 'You don't actually like what you like. Trust me, bro.' -You, just now.

[@StajoLaBell]

​@@snowman22ismyup, you know everything and everyone's thoughts and feelings. Or you're just a burnt out, jaded human who only knows their own opinion but acts like they know better than, and speak for everyone 😂😂😂

[@fishjones4618]

And it’s not just nerds with action figures as a backdrop complaining about Hollywood. I’ve acquired so many skills, learned so many fun facts, and even plotted out my retirement plans through KZbin.

[@StajoLaBell]

@@snowman22ism yup, you know everything and everyone's thoughts and feelings. Or you're just a burnt out, jaded human who only knows their own opinion but acts like they know better than, and speak for everyone 😂😂😂

[@looinrims]

It’s on investors to realize every marvel show they invest in loses money

[@matalostodos]

Blackrock’s rabbinical boardroom is getting exactly the films they have ordered their endebted slave-companies to produce. “Destroying western culture? - Priceless.”

[@juanmoretime7558]

To be fair, Bob Iger said he recognized that they were on the wrong track after marvels flopped, but then he didn’t do much to change it after he said he would. Hope the recent election solidifies a better path forward with Pixar removing trans scene already.

[@dalemanolas5994]

Any other industry would have changed direction once the flops started coming. No other industry denigrates its own customers. Disney put propaganda production over making profitable products. That implies that Blackrock and other major institutional investors will accept losses (small change to them) in order to attempt to push the world into their vision of a woke future. Those financiers could have easily forced Disney Marvel back to making money by pleasing the audience but they don't want to.

[@swanvictor887]

"Integrity: If you can fake that, you got it made!" - Samuel Goldwyn.

[@jonsnowight9510]

A Jew being deceptive? Well, I am shocked.

[@gnarwhal7562]

The only way an American Psycho remake would work is if they adapt the source material MORE accurately to make it stand apart from the 2000 film; but like SnarkyJay said, the novel is pretty f*cked up. Being more faithful to the novel means a lot more casual racism, misogyny, and depraved violence, and there's no way any "creatives" in Hollywood have the balls to do that anymore. What we'll end up with is either a complete rehash of the original film, or some male-bashing political lecture that completely misses the point of the story. Either way, it's going to suck

[@joatandimas3098]

Nerd of the Rings channel, I used to watch him until he sold himself to Amazon for the rings of power. And oh boy his channel felt that. A ton of people just left and the ratio of the videos was intense.

[@RossYT94]

This is one loss no one will mourn.

[@Raycheetah]

Charlton Heston's 1959 classic "Ben Hur" has stood the test of time. Even if you're not religious, it's an amazing adventure movie. It's also beyond the interest of today's ADHD audience, being long and measured in pacing. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. =^[.]^=

[@JohnB-nk8ze]

Ramming speed!!!

[@McIrish_Lad]

Hopefully Jay becomes a more regular member of After Hours. I started following her after she first showed up on an episode of After hours months ago and I really enjoy alot of her takes.

[@clayleonard7005]

She was horrible the first few times she came on, all she used to do was listen to what the men were saying, and then yell it back to them, and the audience, it was annoying.

[@BachelorDinosaur]

A Goonies or Gremlins sequel has literally been in some kind of development hell for at least the last 35 years.

[@archstanton9073]

Same with Buckaroo Banzai.

[@itsaKindaMagik]

dont need a sequel for those 2 movies Gremlins 2 was a parody of sequels using Gremlins

[@aidanlynn]

They’re not “legacy sequels”, they’re remake-quels, remakes of classic movies disguised as nostalgia-fest sequels.

[@LoyalHulk07]

There are some crazy high quality KZbin channels. History of the Universe is an example. There is literally no reason to pay for cable or a subscription service because of just how much fantastic content is on KZbin.

[@clayleonard7005]

I love that channel have you seen Astrum channel? It’s very good too

[@LoyalHulk07]

@ love Astrum. And What the Math with Anton (wonderful person) and PBS Spacetime.

[@burmecian123]

"one big vajayjay hivemind" The power of maaannnyyyy

[@TheVCRTimeMachine]

I don't consider KZbinrs as "media" when it comes to entertainment. It's regular people giving their opinions on movies, literature, TV etc. Most of it is not very original or insightful or even well informed, but there are some diamonds in the rough.

[@Attmay]

So many of these essayists are pompous buffoons who can't even bother to check the accuracy of their facts and pronunciations before uploading the videos. If I built a drinking game around, how many mispronounced words are on KZbin, I'd be drinking more than the critical drinker!

[@RedHeadKevin]

A solution for a Hollywood that wants remakes is to make The Definitive Versions of classic stories. There are absolute classic stories that haven't had a decent movie made of them in decades. Treasure Island, Swiss Family Robinson, To Kill a Mockingbird, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Frankenstein, Dracula, Moby Dick, etc. It's time to make FAITHFUL adaptations of them, something you could bring classes to on field trips. And they could be the New Classics for the next 50 years, until someone else comes along to remake them. You could get great actors in the roles. You'd have audition lines a mile long to play Atticus Finch or put their mark on Long John Silver. You could hire seasoned directors or find new talent. And any of them could be absolute star-maker roles for new, young actors. Something like The Outsiders could launch the careers of half a dozen young men. (That's assuming they don't get molested until they overdose in despair.) Disney would be the perfect studio to make these legacy movies. They did it in the 1950s and 1960s, and they'd be well-suited to do them again. It would help claw back some of their "Americana" image, and get them away from woke crap. Of course, that's probably why they haven't done it. Most of these are "Boys' Stories." They're not about girl-bosses or Strong Independent Wymxn. They're about boys being boys, and competent men being competent. And once studios learn there's nothing wrong with that, you'll get a massive cultural and social shift, and a new Golden Age of Hollywood. They've spent so long trying to capture the female audience that they've pissed on the male audience.

[@Attmay]

*Nosferatu* doesn't count?

[@KnuckleHunkybuck]

@@Attmay trash dracula looks like boat

[@BbNaB]

Ah man I just watched The Goonies with friends and pointed out that pendant lining up with the islands is where they got the idea for the weird knife map thing in the last Star Wars trilogy movie and it caused psychic damage to several people. "PLEASE don't remind me of that."

[@CharlesK-n6q]

Since I've pretty much given up on the Entertainment Industry as a whole, threatening to completely boycott the industry if they DARE to do a remake/reboot/whatever of Citizen Kane, which was avant-garde cinema for its time....

[@Grubnar]

To Star Wars Theory at the very end: "Don't do this! Don't give me hope!"

[@snowman22ism]

Sometimes I think Theory just doesn't understand...

[@archstanton9073]

He's not the brightest bulb on the tree.

[@blatherskite3009]

Regarding remakes and sequels, it's not just studios who are becoming risk-averse; it's audiences as well. So, in a way, we get what we deserve. People like the "comfort" of being confident, going in, that they know what they're going to get. The solution, I think, is to bring the prices down on both sides of the equation, so there's less riding on it. Studios need to make more and riskier films with lower budgets, so it's not the end of the world if some of them tank. And if they make it cheaper for people to take a risk on watching stuff that they're not guaranteed to like, they'll be more willing to do so.

[@bytownbylaw]

Drinker is right. Movies/Shows with a $10,000 budget vs $100,000 vs $1 million vary in quality wildly. If nobody makes a movie or a show, what will KZbinrs critique? If KZbinrs want to make movies/shows for $10,000, they’ll be new KZbinrs criticizing those projects.

[@jacksparrow9227]

Snarkyjay: “I don’t know anyone near my age who goes to a movie theater and just sits there for 2 and a half or 3 hours” Me

[@utmastuh]

"can't be bought" amen to that! I can't tell you how many people in mainstream media, social media, movies/tv, celebs, and even some streamers have all sold out. I had a true crime lawyer I followed for years until he started doing monetized videos + sponsorships mid stream and I bailed out. I also hate "access journalism" that companies use to get positive reviews from insiders

[@dony2852]

I think Drinker underestimates the potential influence of youtubers and streamers. While they may not be the ones who will dominate the next generation of entertainment, they already are the most trusted people to criticize it. KZbinrs and streamers are essentially this generation's Siskel and Ebert or Leonard Maltin. No one trusts Rotten Tomatoes or any of the other aggregate sites much less the "professional" reviews they draw from.

[@Krbyfan1]

Alright but I'm going to need KZbinr's opinions on movies like Laserblast and Gorgo if we're going to compare them to Leonard Maltin.

[@saltyk9869]

“Everyone has a price.” That may be true. But you can’t pay people to buy your product no matter how many people shill for you.

[@rumorcontrol7873]

One of the greatest hurdles the entertainment industry is going to have to overcome is when they finally have to talk about "Why?" all of that had to happen or they thought it was all a good idea. Yes, I know entertainers hate having their egos bruised but too bad they like money more so today we're playing Tomato Justice.

[@dannypalin9583]

The Animaniacs reboot was this all over. The only people from the 90s show they brought back were the voice cast and the songwriter. The original staff were replaced by Family Guy writers. The show banked heavily on nostalgic fanservice, and people only began to realise it sucked after the honeymoon phase. The writers outed the reason it was awful themselves. Everyone who wasn't Pinky, Brain, or the Warners was cut and replaced. A few days after the premiere, the showrunners were interviewed for a podcast. They openly admitted that they hated most of the Animaniacs characters, and the first agenda was to replace them. More and more people with this mindset are being left in charge of legacy media.

[@Attmay]

Meanwhile, *Family Guy* became more consistently funny than it had been in years once Wellesley Wild was no longer around to drag it down.

[@Ilyak1986]

"The actual production of new content like whether it's games, whether it's movies, that sort of thing...that takes a level of resources most of us can't muster at this point; that's the difficult leap to make." THANK YOU, Will/Drinker. This is why I am so pro AI. Even an early access of something decent enough takes years of man hours after years of studying a programming language. With regards to shilltubers, here's the thing--it doesn't matter how hard they shill the product if the product is awful. It's as Asmongold says--if your job is to inform, then YOUR JOB is not to give YOUR opinion, but to give the AUDIENCE'S opinion--before the audience CAN give their opinion. Fail that and you lose all your credibility. And that's the way it should be.

[@romainf3780]

Space King is a good example. No good 40K content led to creators making their own.

[@ryanbarker5217]

i hate it when i'm flipping through channels and there's a movie i want to put on, but it's the shitty remake. ghostbusters, robocop, friday the 13th, the list goes on. there's not a single one of these that's an improvement of the original, not even by MoDeRn AuDiEnCe standards.

[@jitteryjet7525]

Let's see if they have the balls to ban TikTok in the USA this weekend. The legacy backlash may have begun.

[@remuslazar2033]

They should. Tiktok is a cancer

[@DrTIPUSUK]

The Gino did it for me and the lack of coverage in mainstream media and the complete bias in the 15 months.... Never will I watch Western media outlets for news

[@lrwiii]

that was the most unexpected turn i have ever seen in a youtube video

[@roflcoptorz1331]

I was watching you guys and theory before you started pulling him into your convos. And frankly, you guys plus theorybis amazing. Love it. Just.... keep theory away from his dog once he's had a drink or two

[@TheJuanamador]

I think one of the biggest reasons why legacy media is on its way out is that the can't pull the same tricks on us without getting called out. Like when Disney said Mufasa was the number 1 movie and was immediately exposed.

[@rogerw3818]

Critiquing is one thing, making an actual film is a far bigger thing. It's easy to sit around talking about how much better you can do, but that's the easy part. Now you have to back it up with an actual product. At least The Drinker has stepped into that world.

[@xinniethepooh7174]

In fairness, drinker kinda failed in that venture no less

[@TheMasterpiecePD]

"Just get hundreds of millions of dollars and make a movie bro." Do your own thing is a meme bro and Drinker probably had a decent budget for a one man project and it still sucked. The movie industry is a monopoly, controlled by certain people and they're not just going to let anyone in

[@zenksren8206]

@@TheMasterpiecePD Movies costing hundreds of millions from reshoots/bureaucracy is a meme bro and Hollywood let in complete nobodies on a routine basis

[@matalostodos]

Spielberg’s first film was a billion dollar hit. … Or was it? I imagine that it wasn’t.

[@jona3180]

Now lets see Paul Allens sequel

[@silentnavarino]

Underrated comment

[@mr_ozzio5095]

That independent Y/T "Roomies" series was so funny and a clever creation, with Al Pacino and Christopher Walken impersonators plus various other celebs. Roasting Hollywood lifestyle....🤣

[@joshuamueller3206]

I like how no one is talking about the middle of this video. I was laughing so hard I started coughing and my dad had to ask me if I was okay.

[@CrazyKoenie]

SW Theory is getting better in these convo’s. That makes me happy.

[@malcontender6319]

And they did it to themselves! THEY abandoned US, not vise-versa.

[@Unknown-UpTown-Resident]

I personally have NEVER seen a KZbin channel with millions of views on every video but only 10,000 subs

[@anonanon3112]

Authenticity and trust are a difficult currency to acquire but a quick one to spend.

[@BillPeschel]

“I’ve found that the most important thing for an actor is honesty. And when you learn how to fake that, you’re in.” Actor Ed Nelson. Substitute authenticity for honesty, and you have the current state of play.

[@diogogomes3238]

3 movies showed Hollywood that its possible to make a proper "remake" or legacy sequel : Top Gun , Dune and Blade Runner. 3 masterpieces

[@itsaKindaMagik]

Blade Runner doesnt have a masterpiece sequel.

[@rmhartman]

Authenticity is not enough. You need to create something that your market will like. Hell, they've been creating all of this crap that they authentically believe in, but their market doesn't so it fails.

[@scottbullock3045]

Already quit watching regular TV years ago. It's almost all KZbin for me now.👍

[@dreamer8448]

after 18 years we get an okami sequel (videogame)

[@georgejones3526]

I still want a Half-Life sequel!

[@TheWickedWizardOfOz1]

That may hurt, but at least it didn't end on a cliffhanger. The anime Madoka Magica: Rebellion was in 2013, and we still don't have the sequel. It has been announced and we've had trailers for over a year, but still no release date. Imagine if Return of the Jedi released in 1992 or 1993 instead of 1983.

[@carlrood4457]

The problem with remaking American Psycho is the ending which blows the audience's mind by making you question everything that happened in the movie. You can't surprise them in a remake.

[@scottmiller1531]

Authenticity cannot be canned.

[@paranoyd70]

I think that "legacy sequels" are fine, if done right and done with respect to the originals...but modern Hollywood just can't help themselves and have to screw them up with political ideologies, terrible writing, mis-cast actors, and more. And in the process they totally crap on the original that they are trying to bring back, which is insulting to fans. They (Hollywood) essentially end up giving fans the middle finger.

[@martinjohnson5498]

Very Old Hollywood joke: “the most important thing is sincerity. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”

[@Grubnar]

Trust! That is the key word here. I come here only because I trust Drinker and the rest of them. Sure he is funny and entertaining ... but I think there has only ever been one instance where I didn't agree with his judgement, and it was so irrelevant that I don't even remember what it was about. I do not trust the legacy media AT ALL. Like, not even a little bit. "Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!"

[@matalostodos]

The correct phrase is: “Fool me twice, can’t fool me none again.” -G. Bush, IDF special envoy

[@JohnDoe-i5z5c]

11:57 and Theory is right back to shilling. So pathetic. Theory talking about “authenticity” is laughable. It really does speak to how desperately he wants to go back to shilling for Star Wars that, in his opinion, all it would take to make things right is a thirty second apology.

[@rmhartman]

re. "authenticity" "The key to success is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made." -George Burns

[@emmanuelreid7726]

3:42 I understand what Drinker is saying. The Daily Wire's movies are played in less theaters than the typical Hollywood movie because it's not a part of the typical in crowd.

[@TheColonelKlink]

MSNBC. Direct to DVD.

[@ephraimwinslow]

Someone needs to use photoshop/AI to take an old picture of a Blockbuster Video with all the shelves lined with MSM news outlets.

[@ironcladnomad5639]

I'm curious what started the modern line of legacy sequels. There's an argument that 2015 was the beginning of this current trend with Star Wars, Jurassic World, and Mad Max, but we did have Tron Legacy in 2010 and, popular or not, Indy 4 back in 2008.

[@shawndixon4536]

I follow and watch Drinker, Jay, Theory, Nerdridic, Yellow Flash. I watch the reviews for fun, but I will watch projects and make judgement for myself. Which brings me to The Acolyte. I did NOT find it as terrible as practically everybody said. Now I can't say I would ever go back and watch it again - it wasn't anything to remember. But I actually did want to know what direction they were going to go for season 2. (When I first watched Andor I didn't care for it, so I re-watched it to prepare for season two. All I remembered was the couple of prison episodes - nothing else. It was a series I would not have watched again either, but with a second season coming out, I wanted to catch up. Skeleton Crew had a good story, but I think nobody knew who it was aimed to (it was too immature for adult fans, maybe too mature for young viewers, and it seemed like the show runners didn't even know for sure). It is again, another series I will.probably never watch again.

[@graeme4413]

Am I the only one awaiting a David Lynch tribute? Drinker the guy was a legend! Come on!

[@kevinjennings6984]

Always good to see SnarkyJay join the chat.

[@loufher284]

Movies are changing a lot like how music changed when Napster showed up.

[@Veritas.Studios.Channel]

Good point Mauler. That is why I listen to your channels/panels. I SEEK you all out, because you say things that MAKE SENSE to my family...and make us laugh... [Note: the bestiality theme just got this taken off the kids 'watch later' list though...LOL!]

[@blakkermambaa]

Man, Xiao Xaio...now that's a name I haven't heard in a long while.

[@christiaanvorster1988]

They bring back american psycho because it was relevent in the memes a few weeks ago.

[@douglasmunro5672]

7:57 "You can pay me but you can't buy me" Geralt of Riva Something for the media to think on

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

Considering Hollywood's obsession with not being creative again, what legacy media could they revive now? They killed Star Wars, Star Trek's deader than Disco, James Bond's in limbo, LOTR's in the chopping block (damn Tolkien's grandchildren for destroying his legacy), people ain't giving a hoot about Doctor Who, most of the 80's and 90's classics are down or in the process of getting remakes or reboots, so what is there? Peter Jackson's Bad Taste, or Braindead? Lloyd Kaufman's films?

[@davenelson7362]

“Va Jay Jay hive mind” haha 😂!! Snarky killing me!! 😂😂

[@kri249]

I can tell as an 80s kid Drinker that you don't need Hollywood's resources to compete with them. I grew up on movies that were low budget, direct to video, or made for TV. Films that would never be seen in a cinema, and I still watch them all on tubi. And I enjoy them now as I've enjoyed them then. Why, because they were fun. Back then the only sin a movie could commit was being boring. So don't let the fact you don't have billions of dollars and resources deter you from trying. Whatever you make will find its fanbase.

[@ArwenUndomiel406]

And nothing of value was lost.

[@deathbysloth]

I just saw a screening for Myth Of Man. It was phenomenal. Completely independent, totally different from anything else. I'm hoping it can make an impact.

[@newwavepop]

I've said it before i can totally see The Goonies sequel. they are all adults now but like every 5 years or something they all take their families back to the home town and have a get together and talk about the good old days and adventures. so of course their kids have been hearing stories about the old treasure hunt their entire lives, then one of the kids finds a forgotten about treasure map that was part of the loot the parents brought home 40 years ago. the parents couldnt figure the map out back then and have long forgotten about it, but one of the nerdy kids has used google maps and figured out where the location is and talks the other kids into joining them to search for it just like their parents did all those years ago. except it will probably be even stupider than that.

[@snowman22ism]

Matching how the audience feels is a weird way to look at it because the audience is here because of that. Everything nowadays is simply an echo chamber. People surround themselves with people who think the same and that is never a good thing. It's kind of why I like having Theory on here because he often butts heads with the opinions of others. I feel Snarky isn't afraid to voice a counter opinion on this show as well but in general most guests are brought on because everyone kind of sees the world the same.

[@donniedraco4310]

💯

[@archstanton9073]

Wait...Theory is Canadian? I didn't know know that.

[@flyingpaladin617]

The Andy Serkis Apes trilogy is pretty good

[@RabbitShirak]

A shining example on how to remake a classic with its own spin on the story.

[@strambino1]

Ohhh jeez the dog comment had me rolling!!😂😂😂😂

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

And so ends another meeting of the Mutual Back-Patting Club.

[@kerbal666]

The thing about KZbin is the fact is that so many creators on there that I'm finding epic amazing well constructed short movies maybe up to five to ten years after they're made

[@kerbal666]

Unfortunately the new demographic doesn't want to watch a well constructed balanced story like we do they want to watch some bozo talk about a video game they are playing for two or three hours

[@keithbishop4941]

Solo developers for movies and games will become a new norm. Maybe not enough to dethrone Hollywood but at least enough to make it notice. Things like Skinamarink, or Terrifier or Stardew Valley all stemmed from small passionate teams - some even being solo and look how the world had to stop and acknowledge them

[@davidnierzwick2775]

Along time overdue. Thank God. 💪🙏🙏👍

[@THEREALCRUMPLEZ0NE]

The newer ‘Scream’ movies refer to these type of films as ‘Requels’. Using legacy characters in a sequel designed to introduce a new generation of protagonists while retaining branding and nostalgia points while being a soft-reboot. Starwars ‘tried’ to do it, Indiana Jones ‘tried’ to do it (twice). Halloween, Beetlejuice, Ghostbusters. The 80s seems to be the sweet spot, ripe for a good ruining of childhood memories with inferior knock offs claiming to be the real McCoy.

[@cubancarp3019]

Sadly tho with the death of legacy media, the ppl that overuses the word grifter for ppl for simply disagreeing with them and the ppl who act like mocking billion dollar unethical corporations for alienating fans and making trash content consumers paid for is “hateful bullying” are getting louder. We see it with Looper and Disney shills who hype up everything. There’s this one guy I watch for the news who claims to be unbiased but has so many double standards. He will call people like Asmongold and Dr disrespect right wing grifters because they make fun of virtue signaling corporations, pronoun crowd, and progressive twitter users but then acts like Hassan and h3h3 are normal political KZbinrs who have never said anything insane and that h3h3 is actually authentic and didn’t switch sides once he saw edgy content creators were getting punished.

[@eduardopazhurtado3882]

What is happening to legacy Media now with you guys, is what happened before to printed media when sites like IGN took over: you're killing them. In the case of printed media 20 years ago, was its inability to adapt itself to the internet age. For the legacy media now, is their sellout to companies that promote political ideology, instead of giving quality content.

[@moreau1755]

Legacy sequels are a lot more common now, but not a totally new thing only arising in recent years. cf. Psycho (1960) and Psycho 2 (1983).

[@nilsdemello907]

People who are subscribed to those legacy media subscribitions just haven´t cleaned up their massive number of subscriptions, if you automatically unsubscribed after 1 year of not watching the channel, most them would have a fraction of their subscribers, you can see by their views nobody cares about them anymore, and they don´t care about the content that they review.