Crawler Canyon Presents: a Dual Stage Duel, Pro-Line vs. Timtin (Amazon)

As a set of Pro-Line foams showed up, I thought it necessary to give 'em the ol' pseudo-scientific process. How do they stack up against the considerably cheaper Amazon alternative?
Links:
Element Enduro SE
HW Fusion SE 1200 alnk.to/fayGQih
TimTin dual-stage foams amzn.to/3NzCKqq
Pro-Line dual-stage foams alnk.to/esUpE1d
Medium hair buns amzn.to/3EGlxb5
IG: crawlercanyon

[@Rombo-86]

9:33 when I hear you talk about prices. I be jealous. 6pc of timtin here I Sweden cost $40. And a set of proline cost $50. So everything is almost 2x the cost here 😢

[@Chuck-w4c]

Good to hear you back to your regular energy level! Thanks for the review, I hope Timtin sends you some comps or something because they are sold out from your free advertising

[@jpokorny2268]

I wonder if long term makes any difference . I have cheaper foams that started great too but gave out. Pro-Line foams seem to hold up hot or cold weather wise .

[@dezfan]

The TinTins are wider denser than the PLs. I have to narrow them 3-4 to fit in my tires. Never mind, as I’m typing, you mention that. Still worth it. I use a belt sander to narrow them.

[@OGRadRC]

Perfect timing on this video. I have 2 that I want to upgrade the Proline stock foams. Timtin it is.

[@fromfin90]

i got a pair of proline ddual stages in my TRx4 Sport, she's quite heavy and i have noticed slidiness, the outer foam sometime slides off the inner firm foam. so i am lookiong into options that are available over here in europe. Right not gonna try proline Single stage, all blue hard foam, she weigths 4.5 kilos, just the front axle alone no wheels is at 500grams :D

[@Gibsonlife573]

Always a pleasure

[@mfnJOSH]

What is the thickness of just the white outer for the timtin's? I was shopping reticulated polyurethane foam sheets and was going to order an entire sheet to explore. It looks like a person can get different coarsnesses and i have the idea of trying coarser or finer to further tune the doublebun 2.0.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I would guess somewhere in the 14-15mm area. If your polyethylene is the same density as what I've been using, that 10-15ppi, you'll want something a little thicker, I would think, maybe up to around 18mm. I couldn't locally find anything in the super-low density to match this stuff. Everything is 20ppi and up.

[@jimbocreationsbu8203]

hi , i think i found the actual manufacture of the green foam web stuff i sent and from all places about 4 miles from my house ,i am going to visit them next week maybe i'll get a hole role of that stuff- maybe they have different densities as well

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Ask if they make thicker as well! Something in the 12-18mm thickness would be AMAZING

[@Callahangonefishin]

Hi CC, did you ever run this in Baseline? Ran through your vids, and couldn't find it. Curious how the 18% worked out? Cheers

[@Senditjp247]

Man quick question im new to this rc stuff literally couple weeks 🙏🏽 been looking at all your videos!! I just got the new ascent fusion got injora aluminum beadlocks and im gonna be running the stock tires that come on the ascent they are 4.75 OD and i got both silicone inserts from injora the blues and greens Now i cant decide what combo to do or should i just run the timtins in all 4 wheels Also heard of people running the silicone soft greens up front and the blue inserts in rear Weight bias of the vehicle is 60F/40R So greens, blues or timtins ???? Man please help me

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I would likely go with greens all around. The rig is quite light, and nowhere near where Injora blues work well unless they're cut. When you get to the point where you see the limitations of the OE tires, put on some Injora Comp Pins. They work significantly better, perfectly fit the silicone inserts, and are only about $25 a set.

[@Senditjp247]

@@CrawlerCanyon appreaciate that buddy so u recommend the injora comp pins with the green silicone inserts installed on my injora beadlock aluminum wheels i might get those tire’s at that price that’s fantastic Greens on all 4 tires ??

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@Senditjp247 I would think greens all around, yes.

[@Senditjp247]

@@CrawlerCanyon thanks for all your information man Are those comp pins also good for general trail riding perhaps goinh ul tree roots and stuff like that ?

[@Senditjp247]

And your opinion on the injora kraken claws ???

[@FaithSaraG]

There was never a chance I'd buy the Pro Line inserts. If I want to spend lots of money on inserts, I'm going 3D printed.

[@DIllybarification]

Have you tested the club 5 actual dual stage foams?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Not the Club 5s, no. I've yet to find a "double open cell" insert that I like. The inner rings have never been firm enough to give the kind of sidehill performance that I want.

[@derrickhays3627]

Great comparison love it when cheaper is better, thanks.

[@jasonbickford4283]

There is a 3d printed insert on I believe pintrest they are called yzzr and I believe they are 35 bucks for a set of 4. Been thinking about trying them out. Anyone have any experience with them?

[@roytownsend4008]

I bought them off etsy, they work really well, I have a set mediums and a set of soft. The soft may be too soft, but I also have heavy rigs. For $35 I would recommend

[@CrawlerCanyon]

A channel member ordered a set for me to test, and apparently the wrong size was delivered-- the ones I got are absolutely massive, and fit a single 1.9 tire, the Pro-Line Interco Bogger. So they gather dust.

[@jord001]

@@CrawlerCanyon Would they fit a 2.2? Just thinking out loud.

[@idiot_RC]

They didn't impress me...they're certainly better than an open cell, but not as good as other 3d inserts I've used. One of mine started ripping after about 10 hours of use (the outer layer started to separate from the inner). I wouldn't say they're a waste of money, but in my experience you're better off saving a bit of money and going with something like a TimTin, or spending a bit more and going with something like a Squid.

[@DJ.1001]

Don't buy yzzr inserts anymore. I'm not sure if they quit making them or if they are just so backlogged with orders but the general consensus is you won't see your inserts for months if ever. I've been waiting for 3 months and nothing. I've sent a few emails asking for an update and have never received any reply. I actually forgot about them till I saw this comment, I should probably go file a charge back.

[@jayf2487]

Have you tried the injora ones? Was curious if they are just as good

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Like every other Injora insert, for whatever reason, they're very small. Like.. useful up to around 4.5" tires. The inner rubber (and yes, the Injoras are rubber inner) are rated just like their new(er) silicone inserts, blue for "lighter" vehicles and red for "heavier." I have a couple sets of each, including an unmodified red set in Axial Ripsaws under a brass-laden TRX-4 Defender. They work great. But they honestly just won't fit most Class 2 tires.

[@jayf2487]

@@CrawlerCanyon do you know if they will fit the traxxas canyon trails? I got the blue injora dual stage foams

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@jayf2487 Far too narrow. The Injoras fit pretty well in tires ~40mm wide. Canyon Trails are . The Timtins are an excellent fit, and will work unmodified. They're just better with a couple wraps of fridge mat than they are with the included open cell outer.

[@jayf2487]

@@CrawlerCanyon ok thanks for the responses. I put one of the injoras in and ya it seems like the inner ring moves around in them so I can see it in the side wall. I guess that makes sense if the ring is too narrow for the tires. So you reccomend the Amazon inserts basically as much as the proline? I think I’m going to stick with traxxas tires for now and possibly get the concepts ruptures eventually. I just have a trx sport

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@jayf2487 the ProLine inserts are definitely part of an ecosystem-- unless you're using ProLine wheels and ProLine tires, there's no reason. They don't really fit other mfrs. beadlock rings. If you have fenders, Tusks > Ruptures. Just for clearance.

[@danweiss1371]

With both sides of my wallet, usually touching.🤪 it’s nice when the budget stuff works as good and in some cases even better. Not that I’m cheap. To be cheap assumes you have money and don’t wanna spend it. To be broke and cheap means you’re trying to find an appropriate way without spending much money. Well it made sense in my mind. Lol.

[@nicholasstephey8475]

Good test

[@kccrawler4624]

A video I actually agree with. I prefer the amazon foams over the prolines. Hate the way the prolines slide around

[@philthy5058]

Does this mean baseline gets a proline sticker now?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I think he already has a small one near the back window from when he tested the KM3s.

[@vb9300]

must be nice...deep woods are discontinued now.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Not just Deep Woods-- to my knowledge, the only Duratrax crawler tire not completely discontinued is the Fossil. BEyond even that, it looks like they've cut most (if not all) of the 2.8 and 3.8 tires as well. Hopefully it's just "restructuring."

[@camrendoucette5592]

Baseline needs a line called base line. That wouldn’t get confusing

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Baseline would then obviously have to establish the base line on base line, thereby establishing Baseline's Base Line on Baseline's Line.

[@idiot_RC]

@@CrawlerCanyon you could argue that Baseline's line is the "base line" line for which all rigs should be measured...if a rig can't make it up Baseline's base line, the rig is crap.

[@brianmorrison2846]

Bravo👋

[@gregmyers3389]

No fan of Proline but this test is not really valid. The proline HAS to have grooved center rings, that is the reason for "the slide" and bounce. The tire will have more pressure in the center and less on the shoulder(without a groove to ride in). Having said that, I agree they are WAY overpriced and those cheapies would be just fine. Economy of diminishing returns. Cheers man.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Fitting that you need $80+ worth of Pro-Line wheels for your $40 of Pro-Line inserts to function properly. I don't count their $15 option as wheels. I don't do plastic beadlocks. I perused the Pro-Line website, looking for anything that mentions that their inserts really only work with grooved beadlock rings-- never mentioned, not even in the FAQ. So I think this serves as a warning to the average person who would buy the only set of dual-stage inserts their LHS carries, not knowing that the inserts only work correctly with Pro-Line wheels and tires.

[@gregmyers3389]

@@CrawlerCanyon I hate proline tires with a passion, VERY wheel specific. I once even bought the rc4wd center rings specifically for the proline baja claws and still popped beads!!! After much swearing and at least 2+hrs of attempting to get the beads to lock I swore off of them forever. So, yeah expensive and frustrating. Kind of like traxxas/spektrum proprietary connectors/electronics.....ugg. I really miss the 80's some days. lmao...have a great weekend man!

[@steve_beatty]

One thing I don't like about the prolines is the fact they slide round like greased pigs on a slip-n-slide......

[@TheAmericanUhate]

Same issue I had with mine on VP wheels. With boom pro builds & rc4wd iroks, the prolines was way too big, and made the tire hard as a rock lol