I Failed a Random DOT Drug Test…Now What? The SAP Program

[@jama9797]

Dot needs defunded, same as fbi, atf, and many other federal programs.

[@belicosesavage]

100000% agree I use cbd for depression & chronic anxiety & it's 100% legal & I'm still labeled as a fail! F the DOT & there testing.

[@stevel.8840]

😂😂😂

[@stevel.8840]

You sound like a Trumpanzee

[@wescald]

We don’t even need a government at all. Or police.

[@RickyIcecubes]

​​@@belicosesavageCBD has worked wonders for my debilitating arthritis, but it just cost me at least 6 months of lost wages, plus more money out of my pocket to pay for drug abuse treatment that I obviously don't need. The amount of THC in my system barely even registered, but it's zero tolerance when it comes to DOT. The SAP (perfect name for him) handling my case took all those factors into consideration, but told me that he believes I need to complete a 12 week program before he's "comfortable" with writing a return to duty endorsement letter to the DOT. Of course, I have to pay $115 out of pocket for each weekly class, plus $50 for each urine test that I have to take every two weeks. The DOT is in cahoots with these treatment centers, so that they can bleed every professional driver who takes a hit for THC dry; no matter how small the hit may be. It's such BS and I'm stuck having to make ends meet working delivery apps until I can get back into my career again; all for taking a perfectly safe, non psychoactive cannabis product that is sold over the counter without a prescription. This is an absolute joke! And to top it all off....my arthritis is creeping back because I've had to stop taking CBD.

[@boopro12]

I wanted to quit drinking so I admitted to my supervisor I was hitting the beers heavy on my off time. I self admitted and went through inpatient PHP and IOP. When my med card was about to go out the examiner made me go to a SAP even though I was not required to. Its kind of a racket and really made me rethink why I would want to work a job in a industry that considered off duty drinking a violation.

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Thanks for sharing your experience. It sounds like you took a huge step in admitting you wanted to quit and getting the help you needed-that’s something to be proud of. The SAP program can definitely feel complicated, especially when situations like yours come up where off-duty drinking becomes an issue. Unfortunately, in trucking, anything related to substance use, even off-duty, can sometimes trigger requirements based on federal regulations, and the process can feel like a lot. Hopefully, the industry can find a better balance, so drivers who take steps like you did don’t feel penalized for doing the right thing.

[@stevendiehl4934]

Theise unions or clubs get together and destroy anybodys life they wanr..with thee failed drug test racket

[@RickyIcecubes]

My entire career was derailed by a false positive generated by the CBD supplements which my DOCTOR RECOMMENDED for my arthritis. I can't believe I have to go through a treatment program, and I'm going to be out of work a minimum of 6, possibly 12 months. I have spent over $1,200 so far on this "return to work" BS, and I'm not out of the woods yet. You're right, it's a total racket. I have never been a drug user in my entire life, and I'm being treated like a criminal over CBD vitamins. Even though my doctor recommended them, they still count against me because they are an over the counter medicine. If they had been prescribed they wouldn't count. It's all ridiculous and stupid.

[@AndreMclin]

Regulate weed like alcohol, if you drink alcohol on the weekends, i guess you need substance abuse as well, that would make the majority of people that exist go through sap, every driver needs to park their trucks on 4-20 in support

[@OverTheRoadATS]

The two problems that currently exist is that marijuana doesn't leave your system the way alcohol does, as well as it being illegal on a federal level. Until the federal government legalizes it, this won't become a reality.

[@homebound56]

​@@OverTheRoadATS It doesn't leave your system quickly, but the effects of THC will be completely gone after a good night's rest.

[@michaeltaylor9080]

There is nothing random about my company picking me and a handful of other guys all the time about 80% of guys never take one. And they contact the employee first not the employer

[@OverTheRoadATS]

I understand your frustration with frequent drug testing while others seem to be exempt. It's important to address your concerns with your employer or the person in charge of testing to ensure fairness. Safety is the priority, so discussing the selection process could provide some clarity.

[@RickyIcecubes]

It's not a coincidence that Werner has a recruitment ad tied to this video.

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Not sure what you mean

[@lenny_miller2357]

What if I quit my job in the morning after my night shift then get called by my manager that he needs to see me in the office in person I did not know for what at the moment turns out I went to see him that same day in the afternoon after my 10 hr rest but he never showed up and got told by a supervisor that I need to do a random but I had already quit earlier and had a new job line up for next week so I called HR and notified her about the situation she said she would take care of it with Dot compliance and don’t need to take the drug test. Well turns out my new job calls me the next day saying they need to check my clearinghouse cuz there was a change, well I went and check my clearinghouse and turns out my former employer put on my clearinghouse DRUG TEST REFUSAL also I am clean and have nothing to hide been with my cdl for 12 years and never had a problem like this. now I can’t get a job anywhere as of now… Help anyone?!! 😢

[@OverTheRoadATS]

You can dispute it with the clearinghouse.

[@carlossoriano4368]

Did you resolved the issue?? Im on the same plate rn 😭

[@philmurphy7487]

I went to a DOT testing site and the medical Tech that was reading the temperature of my sample dumped it in the sink then threw it in the tbash. According to DOT's rules and regulations regarding urine specimens and out of temp specimen must still be submitted for testing as well as a direct observation sample where they watch me pee. They told my supervisors that I could just come back with new lab orders and it flagged me as a fail and now I'm trying to Sue the hospital and my employer because the hospital did not perform their job responsibilities properly or follow DOT regulations and my employer also did not follow DOT regulations and they should have known that if I left it would be deemed a fail. Nobody told me it would be a fail if I left but I did find out while researching some information that it counts as a fail if you leave and I don't know what to do or who to talk to this is probably the lowest point I've ever been in in my life

[@AMVRebirth]

Going through the same thing here man.. Brothers? Lol. You have to go through the SAP. Pay some money. Turn your license in. It's a run around for sure.

[@philmurphy7487]

@@AMVRebirth I think it's absolutely ridiculous that there isn't some type of verification program that you could go through that determines that you're not a drug user and that after examination of the facts that it's all a misunderstanding or a mistake on the Clinic's part. There's no reason my entire career should be shattered just because somebody was too stupid to know how to do Drug screens but I can say that because I was too stupid to know that if you left it counted as a fail I was just doing what my boss told me so I didn't lose my job

[@John_R_Jackson_III]

Yo stop lying lmao you was using that synethic urine and you fuc*ed up the temperature. You are a man be accountable for your actions and deal with it. Stop with all the extra "im trying to sue" you are only lying to yourself. Everyone knows at any drug test if you leave you fail, that is common knowledge.

[@R.O.T.C._SEEM]

Man that is messed up. Can't believe that can go that

[@kennethgraves296]

@@philmurphy7487 same thing happened to me

[@rupindersingh5255]

i did canibis one time after 2 days drug test .now have to do sap

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Thanks for sharing your experience. It’s important to understand that even one-time use of cannabis can result in a positive drug test, especially in trucking where safety is a top priority. The SAP program is designed to help drivers get back on track, and it’s a critical step for returning to work. Stay focused on the process, and you’ll get through it!

[@shadowboxing1729]

Wish they told me not to leave, because it would be a automatic fail

[@kcrazyfox]

I had a failed oral fluid test but I called the lab they said we see no positive test in my records. Been 4 months and nothing showing in my clearinghouse will I be able to drive still ?

[@OverTheRoadATS]

It sounds like there might be a mix-up with your test results. If the lab has confirmed no positive test in your records and nothing is showing in your clearinghouse even after four months, you should technically be clear to drive. However, I'd recommend double-checking with your employer or the relevant DOT office to ensure all records are accurate and up-to-date. It's always best to have everything confirmed officially to avoid any future issues on the road.

[@KEN_313]

Anybody know any companies who hire drivers who failed a dot in the past?

[@OverTheRoadATS]

I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Failing a DOT drug test can create challenges in finding employment as a driver. However, there is hope through the Substance Abuse Professional program. Completing the SAP program is often a good step in the process of regaining eligibility for driving positions. Many companies may consider applicants who have successfully completed the SAP program and have taken necessary steps to ensure their adherence to safety regulations. It's essential to be transparent about your experience and highlight the positive changes you've made. Best of luck in your search.

[@maryperez6808]

If I get hired at a new company after testing positive, will they still look for me on the clearing house if I’ve been hired as a dock worker and not to driver?

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Yes, your positive DOT drug test result will likely be in the Clearinghouse, and new employers, even for non-driving roles, can access this information. Be transparent with your new employer about the positive result, as it may impact your employment.

[@houstonpromotion]

How long is the sap program before I can get my cdl license back ?

[@OverTheRoadATS]

The length of the SAP program varies, and the waiting period before regaining your CDL license depends on regulatory requirements. After completing the SAP program, there's a mandatory waiting period, typically ranging from a few months to a year. Staying in contact with the licensing authorities will help you understand the specific timeline for your situation.

[@TronTheTramp]

What if you were never hired and you failed a pre employment test? Are you still reported?

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Thanks for the question. I just talked with our compliance manager and she said yes. DOT regulation requires reporting to the clearinghouse for any failed test.

[@thedunking_marine3604]

What if I just have a commercial learners permit? And I apppied and I might fail?

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Hey there! It's great that you're reaching out with your concerns about the DOT drug test and the SAP program. It's important to remember that each situation can be unique, but I'll do my best to offer some general guidance. If you have a commercial learner's permit (CLP) and are worried about potentially failing a DOT drug test, the first thing you should do is stay calm. Failing a drug test doesn't necessarily mean the end of your commercial driving career. The next step would be to contact your employer or the company you applied to and let them know about your situation. They might have their own policies and procedures to follow in such cases. Honesty is key here, as it's better to be upfront about any issues. In many cases, if you do fail a DOT drug test, you may be required to complete a Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) program as part of the process to regain eligibility for your commercial driver's license. The SAP program is designed to help individuals overcome substance abuse issues and get back on track. Remember, everyone makes mistakes, and what's important is how you handle the situation and take steps to address it. Your willingness to comply with the necessary steps, like the SAP program, can demonstrate your commitment to safety and responsibility. Always consult with your employer, a qualified SAP, or the relevant authorities for specific guidance tailored to your situation. Best of luck, and I hope things work out for you! 🚚👍

[@vinnyddavis6328]

Hello! I am a new driver and am looking for info on how to sign up to get tested for drugs and alcohol. Is there any place near where I live, in Oakland CA? Or is there any recommendations of companies I can schedule to test with? Thanks in advance! 🙏🏿

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Thank you for your question! We are located in central Minnesota, so we are not aware of any specific locations for testing in the Oakland, CA area. However, we do know that many clinics provide testing. Here is a link to a map where you can find some locations in your area: dki.health-street.net/?pkw=%2Boakland%20%2Bca%20%2Bdrug%20%2Btesting&locationID=9020066&interestID=1014080&gad=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwyqWkBhBMEiwAp2yUFvQNqtdIV2iIfztLZABWBwLqjVlT9wwiBJHDZSfkvVr-hJy3leVqHBoCNBQQAvD_BwE Additionally, here is a link to an article from our learning center that further explains the topics discussed in this video: blog.drive4ats.com/drug-and-alcohol-clearinghouse-helpful-information#_ga=2.132547726.1460215964.1686576092-668379213.1679320821

[@larrierap5965]

I'm upset today because I was fired because I was told that I failed a DOT Federal drug test and I had Trace amounts of marijuana I do not do drugs or alcohol I don't drink and I don't know what to do next

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Sorry to hear that! Do you consume CBD products? Sometimes they will leave trace amounts of THC in your system. Otherwise, speak with your MRO and have them dispute the results. This article will help: blog.drive4ats.com/failed-dot-drug-test-aftermath-sap-program

[@galenyoung8349]

Some stomach/acid reflux meds (ie. Pantaprazole/protonix show a false, positive.

[@josecarvajal4245]

Hi I just fail my Pre-employment, should I wait to get clean my system before I start my SAP program?

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Yes, that would be a good idea.

[@juniora6182]

@@OverTheRoadATS I made sure I was negative before starting the SAP, how long do u think it'll take before I can pass

[@youngczar88]

​@@juniora6182how it go with the SAP program?Are you back to ON DUTY?

[@pablocastillo1780]

ihave a question, i failed my pre,employment test , i dont even have my cdl jet, how can this affect me! to find a job,

[@yacoubahmedsidi6168]

It won’t affect you at all. It will only affect you with the specific company that you applied for

[@OverTheRoadATS]

The Clearinghouse does not include pre-employment drug tests that are not required by the DOT. For example, if you failed a drug test for a job at a restaurant, that would not show on your Clearinghouse record.Pre-employment DOT drug tests are required when someone applies for a safety-sensitive position.

[@edwinbernal7554]

I failed a pre employment test for a trucking company. I don't have experience but I did manage to get my cdl, any suggestions?

[@abrahamgutierrez7772]

@@OverTheRoadATS how long does it take for a dot drug test violation to be reported?

[@edwinbernal7554]

It shows up on the clearinghouse website as a violation. That's for all cdl jobs right?

[@pablocastillo1780]

I already went yo the dps and i dont have anything in my record

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Nice!

[@jsiii333]

So how did things work out for you on clearing house???

[@WildWayneTV]

What happens if your halfway thru the follow up testing after RTD, and you decide trucking isnt for you anymore so you decide to pursue an entirely different career? Does your cdl go back to prohibited? Or are you just on the clearhouse for the remainder of the five years?

[@OverTheRoadATS]

If you fail, you'll still be marked as a failed test under the Clearinghouse. As for the 5 year comment, a failed test does not fall off of your record after 5 years. You need to go through the SAP program to have it removed.

[@WildWayneTV]

@@OverTheRoadATS I understand... That wasnt what I was asking. My question was referring to what happens if you decide to quit trucking while your halfway thru your follow up testing (the 6 required after returning to duty) I know your on clearing house for 5 years but does leaving the trucking career affect your cdl if you dont finish the follow up tests?..

[@QuartuvLarry]

5 years after the SAP? What if I don’t stay in trucking that long?

[@cameronjustin8654]

Can I work for ATS after completing the SAP RTD? I applied for a company to get my cdl through them. I went to the pre employment drug test and failed cause I still had a little CBD in my system. I then later applied to another company and passed the Clearinghouse and Company drug test. I drove for that company for a year and passed every drug test until my FM told me I about the violation while at the terminal.

[@OverTheRoadATS]

Sorry, ATS does not accept drivers that have gone through SAP.

[@germanlopez9448]

it took an entire year to show up in the clearing house?

[@TheCemonthegreat]

Good info, but the drug testing process is a joke. My company will let you know you're coming up for a random, then send you to a local lab that doesn't care if you sneak fake urine in.