Driver Battles: LS Swapped E36 M3 vs. Supercharged Fox Body Mustang

The age old Chevy vs. Ford battle continues in the quest for the fastest lap time around ChuckWalla Valley Raceway. Who's going to take home the win in this epic V8 Battle. Will it be the Supercharged Fox Body mustang running 12lbs of boost, or will it be the LS Swapped BMW running aero goodies? Both cars are on Nitto Tire NT01's and both cars have a very similar curb weight 2550 lbs.
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[@NickKautz]

You gotta show the fastest lap from inside each car ... it's easy enough to do. That's the main attraction for any legitimate performance enthusiast.

[@DrivingLine]

Glad you asked, here's the unedited footage of the fastest lap from inside each car. It was easy enough to do and any legitimate performance enthusiast now has a main attraction. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIO8YWOtlLCNg7s

[@alecmosley9248]

Driving Line I think what he meant was a POV of the fastest lap. The constant switching of cameras to random views that don’t show anything is boring and adds nothing to the video

[@NickKautz]

Yeah , fixed in-car pov is what I see when I'm on the track , and it's the most informative perspective as well as immersive. It might not be stimulating enough for noobs, I guess it comes down to who you want your audience to be.

[@Sccrd4Lfe]

uh tf ever

[@NickKautz]

Dang my original comment sounds douchy as hell. My bad. That being said, after watching the in-car , the mustang was at about 50% of what it's capable of and the BMW was at about 85%.

[@lollol-xp4mc]

When he said the ls engine was a 7.1 liter i knew the mustang had no chance

[@eventuallyman]

this is awesome, but I would loved some dash footage. Just seeing montage clips isn't satisfying. Side by Side comparison with MPH, Gmeter, and Course would be awesome!

[@Tony-ml5bs]

Anthony T. AKA eventuallyman Yeah I was hoping to see how the fox would handle.

[@Rebecca_The_Dragon]

I know its the wrong generation, but that wide body M3 just screams Most Wanted

[@knightninja8714]

Finally, someone said it!

[@firedude1Productions]

If you think that screams most wanted, there's a wider body kit that's an actual racing bodykit that super saiyan screams most wanted

[@1importedguy]

PLEASE MAKE THESE VIDEOS LONGER! They're such great quality but too short

[@m6speed0301]

agree. needs more driving footage

[@christianaugustin7047]

It's an ad for Nitto tires. Ads are meant to be short.

[@m6speed0301]

Christian Augustin but it’s not? Just cause they both have nittos doesn’t mean it’s an ad

[@christianaugustin7047]

@@m6speed0301 Yeah Nitto banner in the back, nitto stickers on both cars, nitto hat on the presenter, him mentioning which tire they're on about 5 or 6 times, no real care for showing the actual lap. Nope it's not an ad.

[@DrivingLine]

We heard you guys and now each episode will feature more lapping footage and longer run times. We hope you like it.

[@jonathanmoga5188]

Definitely need in car footage of that e36m3.

[@KnightDriveTV]

I was definitely ready to see a side by side/sync'd in-car battle like you see with some Motortrend and other comparison vids. Would like to see where the difference really was. That's a HUGE delta between what appeared to be two pretty stout cars but...that's a lot of power in the BMW. Could be drag racing the straights and putting in the turns, and still pull a fast time. Feel like this vid is missing the whole point of the vid...lol. Even if you do HotVersion Togue style front to rear, then switch positions...whoever pulls away wins...something.

[@nicktong8403]

I love both cars, but I don't think this was a fair comparison...chassis setup in the M3 is exponentially more thorough. I'd like to see this with a comparable fox body.

[@idriwzrd]

Fox body mustangs just don't handle well without pushing the drivetrain back and down and significant aero work. 315s all around is pretty impressive, though.

[@kenb1918]

Ummmm I’ve been faster on a autocross course than plenty of vetts new and old.... sure aero doesn’t work the best on autocross I’ll say that but I’m still beating people with a solid axle. And yea it’s getting a new heart, to the tune of about 800 crank hp

[@jpetro]

Just found this channel. First off, these vids are awesome but mannnnn do they need to be wayyyyyy longer!

[@kevinpazos9846]

Nice. That fox is definitely kitted out. Maximum motorsports foxbodies are very fast, he must be down about 100whp easily though. Those stock blocks, assuming he has one with a 308 and all, really get dicey at about 500whp. Overall very impressive cars each of em.

[@garrettpowers2600]

These cars definitely weren’t competitive with each other but both really cool builds

[@mg_streetkandi]

Love the battles and variety!!!!

[@0NUGNATION0]

Wtf did I just watch. 20 seconds of driving and you didnt show them run their best lap...

[@samsonn25]

Obviously the mustang cant beat 550 rwhp with only 12 lbs boost

[@Brandon-mw8pk]

Don't think you understand how much superior an E36 M3 is as a track weapon. Leagues better chassis and suspension setup.

[@gchun21]

I agree with sam that the power difference was the biggest factor. Solid axles, when setup correctly, only hinders when going over uneven surfaces. The mustang driver said that he had the maximum motorsports grip box which would eliminate the binding of the upper control arms. On a smooth track like this, that mustang should handle like a go cart. But a seemingly mild 308 on 12 lbs typically makes right around 400rwhp. That's 150 rwhp difference at about the same 2800 lb weight according to the desc. I have a fox that put down just under 400rwhp and a fox that put down 526rwhp. There is a huge difference between the two despite having similar suspension setups. Driver exp could also play a part. Mustang driver shaved 7 seconds off of his 1st lap. May be a clue that it's his first time at that track whereas the bmw driver is a returning competitor.

[@lollol-xp4mc]

@@Brandon-mw8pk a tubed mustang can hang it just needs a bit more chassis rigitity

[@24theMoney]

Should have asked Justin Bell to race the fox. He has experience from Matt F's notch.

[@nanoertwo]

Needs more Amir

[@DrivingLine]

Facts.

[@motonsuspensionusa5819]

Awesome job guys!

[@DrivingLine]

Thank you guys. Keep making amazing products.

[@BuckingHorse-Bull]

great job adding music but not just any music horrible music at that over the engine sounds. thumbs up

[@Sketchsstuff]

Maybe I should have just watched Fast and the Furious.

[@English2Elvish]

I'll take the Fox plz :)

[@M-E-G-A]

I like Mustang a lot but I knew the beemer turns and suspension are tighter. Also the driver is what counts, too.

[@tumsfestival8027]

15 seconds!?! Holy crap

[@timm5970]

There was no footage wtf. And 18seconds difference isnt just winning thats getting fucking SLAUGHTERED

[@johnnygreen5642]

Lame u didnt show the actual laps

[@genemounce8302]

#LSSWAPTHEWORLD

[@robbieascedo9797]

Wtf I thought they was gone race

[@amarimann6449]

Race a fast car

[@svtcontour]

You should actually show some driving - you know, the reason for the video?

[@mccannsdetailpaint]

Videos way to short, cars and battles are awesome but we only get see tiny bit

[@JP-ug1xr]

This was not created by car people. Title should read: "lame lap time reveal of fast? Cars". How did you fk up a video with two cars like this? How can there be a debate about the dudes driving when they're just putting around..... Blue balling car enthusiast is dirty. SHAME SHAME SHAME........

[@TrueKappaa]

How you gonna compare a 90s motor to a 2007 motor bunch of clowns

[@DoubleVthree]

How about a Nissan 350z vs a Dodge Challenger

[@LavendrHoney]

Challenger isn’t meant for the corners. So the 350z would win. If on a drag strip then that’s something I’d like to see.

[@darkstars3247]

This video is gonna hurt a lot of ford fan boys feelings.

[@817monchis817]

Wheres the race?

[@hyde302r6]

I wonder how lower engine mounts would help the fox, also its not a ford vs chevy race that e36 is ment to handle the fox is not

[@Savorychicken41]

That e36 looks mean

[@sr20dett1000]

That mustang needs an intercooler.

[@boostloaded6437]

Next should be s2000 vs m3

[@T2000SVT]

Ooooh there’s no real on track footage.

[@watchingtn.7334]

It's pathetic 400 horsepower Mustang up against a 800 power LS motor not really a fair race or comparison

[@HeatFilter]

That mustang suffers from a live rear axle. If that mustang had independent rear suspension, it would have been right in there.

[@Reecesavage-Alwayswin]

It doesn't need a IRS to be a good cornering car he just needs a Wattslink.

[@Badger_S197]

Making up 17s by adding an IRS? Now that is some BS right here. Lack of camber aside, solid rear axles work just fine. On s197 you don`t even need a watts and they still work decently.

[@lollol-xp4mc]

@@Badger_S197 you dont need it on a track so much but on the street a watts link helps a ton

[@maxiummadface]

volkswagen 1.8t vs volkswagen vr6.

[@loordgabriell5694]

Thats it ????????

[@jadda4329]

Can I see the race

[@Reecesavage-Alwayswin]

Any mustang with a solid rear axle should not do time attack without a wattslink Cortex, BMR, Whiteline anyone of them would do just fine.

[@Badger_S197]

Any Mustangs or just fox bodies? asking for a friend

[@HeatFilter]

@@Badger_S197 all mustangs with the exception of the last couple of generations.

[@Badger_S197]

Heat Filter the s197 do just fine without a Wattslink. Some race teams even prefer running a penhard on those ones. Nothing wrong with having a Wattslink but certainly not required.

[@edwardmtl]

That car has a panhard bar, it’s all it needs

[@pulse6143]

What body kits on the e36???

[@codedwarrior226]

More races

[@noebaca6208]

Do you know the website we’re I can find out what are the specs on the whole car

[@noebaca6208]

The fox body🥰

[@lahillsm3]

is anyone surprised that a fake impression of a sports car (with truck suspension in the rear) got owned by a bmw m? anyone?

[@ridemotoeveryday]

I call it truck suspension also. I own a fox. I know many solid axle cars that will put it on alot of "sports cars". All about set up and skill. If you can drive a vehicle fast then its a "sports car" at that time.

[@lahillsm3]

I'll remind you that "truck" suspension is the same as "wagon" suspension... and it's been working great for that purpose for over a century. It's great at accepting heavy loads because it's all one sturdy piece and because it doesn't change camber or toe with load. It's also cheap to build and offers great articulation. Are you at all surprised that this design isn't also ideal for sports cars? I'm not, given the great number of suspension designs and the inherent trade offs that each offers. Truck suspension is great for trucks because it was designed for trucks, but it's not ideal for sports cars. When a sports car is mid-corner at around the limit of grip, it doesn't do it well to have nasty, sudden upsets in tire loading. So when one wheel hits a bump in the road, it doesn't help the car to have another wheel connected to that. Fucks with the loading and the camber of that wheel that didn't even hit anything. So that's one point. Secondly it's heavy as fuck. Your unsprung mass is massive because the whole fuckin hundred pound differential is part of it (granted it's in the middle). So that means when you hit a bump, you have a whole bunch of steel flying at the sprung mass, and it's the job of the sprung mass to stop it. And the heavier that unsprung mass is, the more force it will put on the sprung mass e.g. the chassis. So that upsets the chassis as well. Thirdly under body roll independent suspensions can be arranged so that they add a bit of negative camber to the loaded (outside) tires. This is something truck suspension can't do, so it's doomed to load the outer edge of the outside tire under cornering. It maintains camber and toe under squat though, and that's why we still see it in drag cars. All suspension designs offer advantages in some areas and disadvantages in others. The disadvantages of truck suspension outweigh the advantages in a sports car, and given its complete absence in modern sports cars, it appears that Porsche, BMW, Ferrari, etc agree with me. Of course, if you need to load 4000 lbs of gravel into your car before hitting the track, truck suspension might be perfect.

[@ridemotoeveryday]

You explained nothing new. I would prefer irs and will be building a system for my fox with the late 15' up irs stuff. Yes solid axle mustangs over 79' are cheap production cars just to make money. I was just reffering to the " fake sportscar " phrase. I own a fox a solid axle, they built irs for 99 to 04 and it didnt help them on the track much due to bad geometry. Its all about setup and driver. If you can track your car and be competitive it is a sports car. I have a stock engine and trans with alot of suspension work and it will out corner alot of modern "sports cars". Just gotta have the right setup and skills and balls to push it. Any car can be fast, never underestimate someones passion or skills.

[@lahillsm3]

There you go... you're switching to independent, yourself. And as a person who's "passionate" about driving, I think that's a wise choice... for the many reasons I've listed. Passion and ability is hardly everything; it matters what we drive.

[@ridemotoeveryday]

Im a mechanic and love racing. Definitely educated on suspension etc. If i could afford something already built of course id get the best platform. And there is something special in building your own rig with your own ideas. Im no fanboy of any make model or country of origin also. I just wish i didn't like my car so much so i wouldnt have to mod it so much to hang with newer proper better built cars😎. Us motor heads will always find a way lol.

[@Cricis11700]

This is the only way you can respectively make any BMW fast!!!!

[@lollol-xp4mc]

Not true at all tho

[@topnotchmustang8823]

Mustangs badass

[@egibson2266]

very strange video, how about some race footage....

[@8290Wgu]

nothing showing

[@coryholbrook4643]

That was lame. Most of the “racing” shots were staged.

[@8.2deck]

He should have ran a ford merkur instead of the fox body

[@nickbright2736]

Subaru vs Honda !!

[@DrivingLine]

Ah yes but which? Odyssey vs. Forester?

[@timothyrinaldi6609]

Fox body mustang need a Barra turbo engine

[@jdmnsxr6820]

nothing beats that e36 chassis though. especially if it's the sedan ;)

[@TheBb6prelude]

Timothy Rinaldi never heard of her. I think you mean a coyote with a cobra intake

[@timothyrinaldi6609]

preludeF20Bking nope the Barra is Ford Falcon straight 6 turbo made from Australia

[@jdmnsxr6820]

@@timothyrinaldi6609 to me the barra is the nicest sounding inline 6 I've ever heard. it sounds very aggressive

[@TheBb6prelude]

jdmnsxr 6 I’ve since seen videos of the barra and it’s a pretty impressive motor.

[@MDCrosswell]

Does anyone know the wheels on the fox? I couldn’t really understand him in the video

[@SherylNomeFairy9]

315 NT01 all around

[@johnmcmullen456]

Had to mutilate the fox body to fit that tire/wheel combination

[@xx3lizer]

Joe (Mustang) isn't properly restained with harness at 2:24. HANS wrong and pelvic restraint. O.O glad nothing happened....

[@David-nb2bc]

After you mention it, I see it too plus his lap belt is way too high. Is it not even a 5 or 6 point belt? Lucky the guy didn't have incident or it would have been bad. Dude need to learn how to use the hans correctly before handling a 400rwhp race car.

[@marioavalos2831]

I'll take them all on with my shity Yaris on a track of course

[@goldenbillz6390]

*GT WING FOR DUH DUH DUH DOWNFORCE*

[@John16-m1e]

Mercury cougar versus Ford Mustang

[@andrey20cm67]

GOLF mk2 or 1 pls pls pls

[@valentinlagunas8113]

e36 m3 vs m2

[@HeavyMetal50]

Mustang Gt❤️👍🏽👍🏽💪🏽

[@siko510]

Does anyone know what fender flares the m3 got on??

[@MrVaderturbo]

Hard Motorsport

[@TrueKappaa]

This video is a joke put a coyote in the foxbody watch it eat everything on the track

[@lw_loki]

New most hated driver on this channel lol

[@robbieascedo9797]

Dessert wars lol

[@markmartinez8578]

Mustang

[@ruffraff4697]

Best motoring way better

[@speeddemon5377]

Let's see track car vs drag car on a track hmmmm...

[@71sc502]

Speed Demon neither of these are a drag car you donut

[@speeddemon5377]

@@71sc502 no but the foxbodys chassis is ment for drag that BMW chassis is way newer and better on turns by a long shot which therefore give a the foxbodys a huge disadvantage on the track

[@71sc502]

Speed Demon you can make any car do either. Enough excuses. I've seen these m3s as drag cars too. Plenty of people do autocross foxbodies

[@speeddemon5377]

@@71sc502 I knoenyour can do anything with any car but if you actually listens than you would realise there was little work to the suspensions and chassis on the foxbodys and with that BMW is has Las possible suspension work so the foxbodys is at the disadvantage with turns

[@71sc502]

Speed Demon I'm not arguing that, just saying that neither is a drag car. Both were made for the street from the factory ya feel

[@jolmeaki]

Mustang needs an independent rear suspension to be faster. Still wouldn't catch the BMW though.

[@zackw.varela326]

jolmeaki how so what does having independent suspension do

[@patrickrhoades947]

Zack W. Varela allows the car to put more power down through corners by maintaining traction better so faster times through corners also less power loss due to traction loss in the straights from uneven track conditions.

[@zackw.varela326]

Patrick Rhoades I see thanks for the clarification !

[@LordJerinza]

@@patrickrhoades947 yes but that's not what made him lose. It's mostly driver in this one.

[@Reecesavage-Alwayswin]

It really doesn't besides that was a LS platform.

[@zombielivesmatter7294]

Corvette LS power!

[@michaeldemos6816]

L.S. blah blah blah

[@CaddysDaddy]

DONT FILM THE RACE LIKE THAT! WTF!!!! SOO STUPID!

[@galevest4545]

I stopped watching when I herd ford Vs chevy! Lol it's a beemer.....yes I know its a ls in the BMW but under the hood of a shit ton of mustangs you'll find a Chevy motor but still not a Chevy suspension or car lol

[@dannymartin6193]

Not alot of mustangs have chevy engines

[@galevest4545]

Wow.... I don't really know what to say lol

[@christian58623]

+Danny Martin you’d be very mistaken actually most foxbodies have ls in them because they’re cheap good engines that have great strong blocks don’t get me wrong I’m a ford fan but if you don’t have money like that and you have no engine in your foxbody ls is the way to go but the main reason though is because all of chevys cars are giant heavy tanks compared to the foxbodys, how ever camaroes weigh dang near 4000 pounds the lx fox body weighs 2950 and that’s with out stripping out the interior so if you want a cheap build that will rape anyone on the road a foxbody with an ls is the way to go.

[@dannymartin6193]

@@christian58623 real fox body owners have 5.0s or 351s other then that theyre bandwagoners who want to go "fast" lol supposedly

[@galevest4545]

I've had both but the parts for a ls is everywhere and very cheap and the interchangeability of Parts makes it even nicer also very simple and fast work on don't so much get that options with Ford which I mean no offense but it's truth it's not just LS you find I see a lot of small block Chevy and their Transmissions under the hood

[@Cheerupfukface77]

Iv noticed if you get told 1st about your time you come in so second