DRIVER BRACKET // PXG Black Ops Tour VS G430 MAX 10K

[@hack.nicklaus]

hats off to Ian, not easy talking to yourself and keeping up the same good vibes and energy.. insane to see the PXG's growth over the years in performance

[@ianfrasergolf]

Hahaha, it’s foreign territory to do a video solo. Missed Mikey Boy but he’ll be back for next round.

[@garyziats7270]

@ianfrasergolf is that the 5x or 6x you’re swinging?

[@ianfrasergolf]

@@garyziats7270 5X in all the Drivers this year.

[@fredgarvin4252]

I have the AI smoke 💎💎💎however, I’m not ruling out going with PXG Black Opps. It’s that good! Straight! Forgiving! Might have both!

[@jimvoelz7444]

Wow!!! Ian’s comment on the 5th drive in the first round for PXG… “I missed it!” 311 yards dead on with the pin! Kind of hard to compete with that. Kudo’s to PXG for getting in the game and performing at such a high level!

[@JohnnyDSR]

PXG has to be given credit for pressing the envelope. They appear to have a really good team in both their R&D and Marketing. Parsons, regardless of what you might think of his in your face approach at selling his products, does in fact deliver with the engineers he has on board. I have a few mixed sets of Mizuno and PXG but woods were always Ping because of the obvious forgiveness and distance in the hands of a 72 year old. PXG is right there now and may need to make up a full bag of 0311s, combo XPs and Ps that I already have 6 - 9. I prefer Mizuno in the wedges. Golf.... what a wild ride !!!

[@Hkhawkins]

That PXG needs to go in your bag Ian!

[@davidwilliams5358]

Another great driving display Ian. Well done PXG, the driver looks awesome. Hats off to Ping for its distance though. Did you have the reduced 22g weight in the back of the Ping again? Would love to know the reduced MOI number with the weight reduction.

[@ianfrasergolf]

The weight was 22g and estimated MOI was around 9700

[@nicholasphi6616]

BOOM BABY. Great job doing the video on your own Ian

[@ipotato95]

Nice job on the solo video. Stayed concise but I didn’t feel like there were any silent gaps

[@ianfrasergolf]

Thank you!! I’m just glad we’ve such a brilliant team to edit the videos to make them flow so well.

[@garyhovey9305]

No comment for the clubs in this round, the superstar/top performer was Ian 🏆 what a performance! Not only having the presence of mind to step up the swing speed for pings final round but to manage this test alone! 🤯 well done champ🥃

[@ianfrasergolf]

🙏🏻 Thank you my friend!!

[@JoshStephens24]

Mikey must of been busy enjoy his new L.A.B broomstick 😝……can’t pull him off the putting green 😆

[@darveed62]

Come on Mikey you know you have to bag that broomy!!!!

[@davemarshall2756]

Not enough independent PXG black ops reviews. Been waiting for this. Might have to give it a go at some point. See if it can beat my 425.

[@mikec.2314]

Nice solo mission video! Well presented and had my attention all through. Such good product being spit out in the driver category in 2024 from all the brands. You cant go wrong with the right fit with any of these heads it seems.

[@clow242]

Tried the Ai smoke max yesterday. I can’t see anything beating it but after watching the pxg…… gonna to be fun to watch the next round.

[@clubchampionmedia]

I’m not sure we can really call a favourite this year. I wouldn’t bet against PXG after this match.

[@CharlotteK2008]

Pretty much every driver this year beats it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Eastmaniac]

Honestly really didn't like the AI smoke at all when doing my fitting. Felt like NO feedback from the face at all.

[@stevenmiddleton7175]

Would love to see the PING 10k vs it closer competition of the regular PXG Black Ops

[@dseych]

Ian I love these videos so much, the only thing I would like to see added, if possible, is when you put the final scores on the screen, you could include the avg distance and avg offline numbers on the screen to give a better feel of the character of each driver and how the final score came to be what it is. Keep up the great work, and thanks for doing these brackets!

[@scott48]

This bracket is absolutely tremendous. Hats off to you guys and in this round PXG. Black Ops is soon to go in the bag. I absolutely loved the feel and my numbers were outstanding. Well done here. This is fun. 👍🏻

[@Everettsnumber1fan]

Always great stuff! Could Ian fit himself to each driver before the start of the bracket? I feel it might give a more balanced test. Not complaining just curious what that would like! Keep the videos coming guys!

[@tag_76]

The Tour-1 is a legit great driver! I ordered one last week

[@tylerlynch3169]

Love the content! Would love to see Mikey do the bracket challenge to see how the results would differ with the different swing speeds

[@ajjamieson514]

I love PXG as a brand and am glad to see them getting some brilliant product out there. From there 0317 irons getting phenomenal reviews and now to back it up with the black ops driver is a bloody good news story in my books.

[@c5jp904]

Well I guess I’m taking the PXG $100 challenge. Currently playing the 0211 and know I’m losing distance to my buddies with newer drivers so was going to get fit. With the Heroes pricing some $150 less than all the others in the brackets it’s a no brainer. Thanks Ian!

[@hawkness_monster]

Couple of my buddies bought the 0211 when they went on sale for $120 and they hate them. It sounds awful and the ball doesn't seem to jump off the face, I'm wondering if there was a quality control issue and that's why they went on sale

[@davemarshall2756]

Just watch out for the shipping duties etc. Brings it almost even.

[@c5jp904]

@@davemarshall2756 Not an issue. I live in the US…30 minutes from 2 of PXGs studios.

[@c5jp904]

@@hawkness_monster Mine sounds fine and in general it’s been an ok driver. I’ve recently hit some buddies newer Callaway and PXG 311 and can see I’m losing ball speed on mishits quite a bit.

[@ianweber318]

PXJesus!!! Wow 😳 Great test Ian! 👌🏾

[@huwtoghill3447]

Crazy numbers on the PXG.. let’s go!

[@SePhO11]

That PXG has just smoked everything that has gone through the bracket so far, it has to be the new favourite. The way Ian has hit the PXG surely it has to be in the conversation for his WITB.

[@clubchampionmedia]

100% it’s in the mix now!!

[@erock1070]

I am a diehard Ping guy, but if I hit the PXG like that it would be in my bag no doubt. Sleeper of the year. Just fits Ian so well if he wishes to game Low spin bomber.

[@NovaScene]

Great round and great job going solo! Very entertaining match!

[@CarlosSaintPatrick]

Round of applause PXG! Well done!

[@Mat_Scott]

May have to schedule a driver fitting at PXG Orlando...WOW!!!

[@keithkatz1350]

first round with the PXG was sick my friend great job as usual Cheers from Norcal PS in the bag?

[@MrICURNVS]

Dam it… I ordered some Gen5 irons and really like them.. I’m not in love with my Driver, and every review I see on the new black ops has me wanting to try it.. just don’t have the extra 600.00 for a Driver atm

[@alipajooman]

Nice solo effort Ian. I would be weary on the comparison to scores in other rounds as we all hit differently everyday (even the pros). Happy to see PXG embracing other fitting companies.

[@thebeej1231]

Having got fit into the standard black ops head it’s absolutely phenomenal - pxg have stacked up their lineup this year and I found the standard head kept the spin down well and was just as fast as the tour so I took the forgiveness option. Credit where due they’ve upped their game this year

[@jerryledbetter1168]

I’m not surprised. Going to get fitted here in AZ. for the PXG. Speed training is obvious Ian. 👍👍

[@ariesnc6320]

I got fitted for the standard model and I use to think PXG sucked but this driver is definitely there best and it’s legit!

[@jtonne3057]

To me the difference was spin. When the Ping spun closer to 2K, it rivaled the PXG in distance. Impressive by both clubs, really.

[@golfsh00ter]

Nice to see PXG earning more respect and recognition, too bad they don’t also come in at a lower price than the “big three” as it would be good to give them some more competition and maybe help pull driver prices back down a bit. Got fitted into the normal Black Opps driver a few weeks ago and I like the adjustability it offers with the three head weights.

[@michaelr9397]

Bit off a surprise result that one, I enjoy the bracket and the way you do it, the head to head make it good to watch. Though when finished it would be nice to see all the results in a league table aswell 👍

[@carlrdavis8879]

Great video, Ian. Well done.

[@davidlewisTN]

Seems only yesterday when you couldn’t get PXG clubs to test 😮

[@uNkLeRaRa4]

Looks like Ian pissed off his razor this morning 😂

[@ianfrasergolf]

🥴

[@davezalinko1354]

I’m gaming the Paradym, looking to put it up against some of the new drivers see how it compares. This bracket has to be one of the best I’ve seen in a long time. They are all “top dogs”. I won’t be able to try the PXG wish is a shame. Be interesting to see which one is best for me.

[@thinch4972]

Would love to see you guys do a head to head fitted driver vs fitted driver after the bracket. See which one makes it in the bag to start the year as an on course driver.

[@loikepalenikonu5489]

Let's not ignore the fact that Ping blew out everyone else in the bracket. Great showing for both products and amazing job by Ian with the solo video.

[@TS_Esquire]

I can't believe this was a round 1 match.

[@cailear7512]

That PXG kicks ass

[@richardsteell2970]

I’m thinking about changing out my gen 5 0311 as I’m not getting on with it currently. On a bit of a speed journey at the moment so that could be why. Black ops looks like it will be in with a shout!

[@judenwaiwu4583]

Has PXG finally arrived or is there still work to do with the drivers? That was amazing

[@mkastl9677]

I've followed the channel since its inception, and I don't think we have EVER seen a performance like this! The Ping flat out would have blown out every other driver so far, yet this round was over almost as soon as it started. Only way this PXG driver doesn't win is if you somehow lose your swing mid-round. "AMF technology" is really beginning to mean Adios Mother F.... 😂

[@rlbjr]

Wow! That PXG Tour 1 was a beast. Will you be testing the standard Black Ops head for us mortals?

[@ianfrasergolf]

Yes we will.

[@jojosaute]

I got scared a minute! Said it was private at first! Let's gooooo! Ps 🤯

[@symtrumpeter01]

Love the channel and watch every video but not sure why these two were paired up in the same bracket. Would have made more sense to me to pair up the ping 10k with the TM max. I think this was a missed opportunity to see the two 10K models battle it out and maybe come across a low spin tour head later in the bracket.

[@johnsnider2094]

Wow 2024 driver bracket is the year of the underdog! Never been a fan of pxg but you can’t ignore that performance. Are you using the rypstick for speed training?

[@bolenns45]

Thank you Ian , WOW that PXG driver is a Hand Cannon . Do you see anything beating it this year ?.

[@ianfrasergolf]

There are some really good heads left in the bracket. It’s going to be fun to see if anything can keep up.

[@rufussthoo4083]

Looking forward to seeing a PXG vs Cobra final 😁

[@azcep76]

PXG has come a loooonggg way since their first generation of woods…. Absolutely a contender with the big boys!

[@ianfrasergolf]

Brilliant to see another really good contender.

[@loikepalenikonu5489]

They come a long way. And good for them to continue to improve year over year.

[@shaneb255]

I think you should pull an audible and put the triple diamond in there in place of the max lol Thanks for the videos!

[@TZOID08]

Cool.... The 3 drivers that I would consider replacing my Titleist Tsi3 lost...... But I'm not Ian so this isn't a determining factor on my purchase.

[@ianfrasergolf]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻, I’m so glad you already know that!! Lol

[@TZOID08]

@@ianfrasergolf You're a good man Ian... The speed training is working !!!

[@ianfrasergolf]

@@TZOID08definitely paying off, it’s nice to have a little extra with the Driver again.

[@ianfrasergolf]

@@TZOID08definitely paying off, it’s nice to have a little extra with the Driver again.

[@Bogeypro256]

I'm getting fit for the pxg on Friday. Hoping I get similar results.

[@Christhecommish]

Not only does Black Ops sound the coolest of the driver releases, it performs!!! 💥

[@safranic]

@ianfrasergolf question? Based on your one 168mph ball speed shot it showed 296 carry. Is that realistic? Would that carry over to the course? With range balls I sit 171-173mph, and @ 10* of launch on a straight draw I’m get 283-289 carry. Am I missing something?

[@kevinmcdonald1917]

I have the PXG Gen 6 irons and love them, next up their driver!!

[@haze4307]

I tried them at a fitting and man are they long but went for Srixon ZX7's mk2's as thought the feel was slightly better for me. Lovely clubs though mate.

[@BradleyC16]

Great to see both drivers preform. Too bad one had to lose!

[@aaronnimz3807]

Being a veteran, I am finding it difficult not to go to a PXG. It looks super impressive.

[@mikecook8059]

Great job Ian!! I have a question about the Ping 430 driver. If you hit two balls perfect (robot testing) what change would you see in launch and ball speed if you lowered the back weight 8-9 grams??? Thanks!!!

[@danjohnson6292]

Ian, just bought a GCQ. What are your GCQ camera settings? I'm having trouble finding the ball and trace setting I like.

[@dublingb]

Shocked by the PXG, might be something to look at after all. I know people have talked about their current line of everything as being a major jump. Interesting to say the least

[@DanB-]

Great match up the PXG just murdered the PING!! How would you say the tour compares to the gen5 0311 Ian?

[@briankrohn7482]

I'm new to golf, but why is the tour 1 being compared to a max 10k driver? I'm cool with any results but this confuses me as a new golfer.

[@kellysnipes1981]

Awesome Bracket! If you had to play a Ping would it still be g430 Max or does 10k have a chance now that it’s dialed?

[@mulvihillmatt]

Maybe it makes sense for the first round to just be a ranking by score, and then pair the top 4 off and then group them for actual brackets. That way a high performer in the Ping wouldn’t be eliminated by a monster score when it was still higher than the rest.

[@benjaminpham6015]

I guess Mikey had enough of the needling , left the room momentarily after the kerfuffle leaving Ian alone for this one😂

[@cheemomugdoo799]

Still a bit puzzling why you wouldn't test all the low spin bombers against each other, all the Max forgiveness heads against each other, and the in between heads together. I think the problem is Ian's swing is better than most amateur golfers, and very consistent, so he will have great results with a low spin head while 10-20 handicaps will test better with the Max offerings. Maybe this testing should be done with multiple people, maybe Mike and a high handicapper.

[@Tapiorable]

Did you just find your new gamer, Ian?

[@robguenther1648]

I know sound and feel are subjective, but that PXG driver has to be one of the best sounding drivers I've ever heard

[@teufelshunde9533]

Why was the Ping data showing you were hitting a 3 Wood vs the PXG showing Driver? Does this throw off the calculations?

[@kileypaet8221]

Nope

[@patrickhoward4080]

Is there a chart somewhere that shows the effects of face angle and lie when adjusting the ping head? I have the g430 10k and currently play it in Flat and -1 setting to avoid the left. I played today and noted I was hitting bombs but they were pushes or baby fades landing in the right rough typically. My question is…if I put it to -1 degree and standard lie…the lie will be affected and give me a push draw right? Also…which setting has the face more open? -1.5 and standard lie or -1 flat lie? I Need to bring the ball back just a smidge.

[@ianfrasergolf]

-1° std lie sounds perfect for you. -1.5° would be the most open face setting on the sleeve.

[@eugenedizon48]

Perfect timing Ian! I’m having my driver fitting and doing the Driver Challenge (against my TSR4 Accra FX 3.0 140 M3) at PXG today. I’ll keep you posted!

[@eugenedizon48]

Update: PXG Black Ops won the Driver Challenge over my TSR4. I just ordered one 9*, 15g heel and toe weights and 2g back weight, Ventus Blue 6X.

[@ariesnc6320]

@@eugenedizon48 I took the challenge and was shocked Blackops driver beat my current gamer!

[@mikehill06]

can you add the final distances to the bracket under the club so we can compare the numbers each time its updated and shown?

[@colinruane8826]

Thats a murder holy This kinda tracks to what I've seen with specifically 10k, I have not gotten many balls where im near like a 2k spin number, mainly it has just been like 2.5-3.3k for me, and it's just not quite what I want out of driver. Think it can be playable, just need it to have the right combo of shaft and head.

[@rbutera8387]

After your bracket is finished can you do the non Pro PXG against the Ping?

[@wessims3412]

PXG monster lol. Great test I’m thinking the others have a sad battle against them! That things just good!

[@mjheggie2]

Black ops looking good! 💪🏻

[@kakimrs]

I am not sure if you noticed but the launch monitor’s club selection for Ping was 3-wood, would that affect the results?

[@dabdias]

No - it’s just a name. I could have been named chipr and it wouldn’t have made any difference. Estimated distance is based on launch conditions, and the name of a club has no bearing on it. In very basic launch monitors (e.g. PRGR) that only measure certain launch parameters, the type of club may be used to estimate/guess the non measured parameters (typically launch angle and/or spin). Foresight estimates distance solely based on measured launch conditions and whatever weather and altitude settings were chosen.

[@kakimrs]

@@dabdias Ahh, thanks for the clarification 👍🏻

[@dabdias]

@@kakimrs👍

[@BiologistRyan]

So if any of the drivers aces a hole... does it win outright?

[@home4ya]

have had great long term results w current gamer Ping G400max and looking forward to see if G430max will beat it out. PXG just not my cup of tea, very mixed results over the years, very mixed pricing, iron soles wear badly, and low trade in value, just not for me. Great review though and looks like you may have just had your final pairing?

[@_bstr_ct1832]

Do you think there is a case for particularly high tempo swingers to get a lot of benefit from the 10k, whereas smoother swingers who can keep things straighter may not need the stability?

[@kylesinclair203]

I just knew PXG would beat Ping!!! 💪💪💪💪💪🎉🎉🎉

[@brettlehmann4250]

Just wondering what balls you’re using ? Ball speed seems low for the swing speed. I’m assuming it’s a soft ball

[@grahamkirk9386]

Hats off to pxg, I was rooting for the ping because I’ve always played ping woods. I think you can see if your a good driver of the ball you can see the benefits of pxg but I think if you need help with driver ping showed you can get all that extra help but not loose a ton of distance.

[@Pud56]

I think Ping create wonderfully forgiving drivers, but they spin too much in my hands, and not good spin. Ai Smoke max 9 degree set at 8, Xstiff shaft span at 2300 290 carry, Ping430 10K, 4100 spin 230 carry, dispersion was similar. My fitter suggested Pings are consistently spinning too high, especially this Stellar year for drivers.

[@davidknight6250]

Looks like your speed training is paying off too, Ian 😎

[@davemarshall2756]

Not sure the Tour vrs the 430 Max10k is a fair compare. I get what you said but I still think they are two different drivers for different markets. I think average golfers would fit into the Black Ops more often and G430 Max more often. Just my humble uneducated thoughts.

[@garymontague1205]

@mygolfspy black ops needs to be in the driver test this year!!!!

[@nickmillar9651]

Great text. Does the Pxg sound loud or different

[@mikeheugel4461]

GSPro range? Great video.

[@pauldavis5857]

Why are the next brackets not both LS models rather than the qi10 vs dark speed LS? I don’t get the logic?

[@ianfrasergolf]

We’re trying to make it relevant to 2024 Drivers but there are obviously Drivers like TSr3 from last year that need to be included. We had followers vote on the Driver to be included, it’s never going to please everyone, we just hope you guys enjoy it.

[@ericpark8244]

Ian you made a comment that gspro is 7 yards shorter than gcquad. Which is more accurate to real life carry distance?

[@thecigardon]

Good video, not accurate as a test. That black ops has 3 loft configs on the serial: a= less than stated, B= stated, c= more than stated. In addition it was fit at PXG likely with Hot melt positioned for your specific needs. Better test would be either a total headweight matched comp or one with the pxg B stock head. Just my 2cents

[@xavierperez9725]

In the Bag!!

[@AnimeEdits0194]

Ping for me . But I'm really liking the PXG lineup.

[@sidtaubman6007]

What should be the ball speed difference between a 3 wood and driver, both off the tee?

[@tickvball]

What shaft did you have on these drivers?

[@brkyq]

Seems like both clubs gave you the confidence to hit away. I have to watch again and get a speed average because the pxg looked faster on average. Like you didn’t have a beach ball at the end of the shaft.