DRIVER FITTING // 14 Handicap Player // Lower Spin & More Distance

We're at Club Champion in New York City fitting a 14 handicap player for a new driver! Currently a low ball hitter, Trevor came in looking for a higher ball flight with lower spin for more overall carry and distance.
0:00 // Intro
1:54 // Swing Lesson
5:41 // Driver Fitting
11:19 // Results & Conclusions
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[@ipotato95]

More videos on fittings of higher handicaps are definitely nice to see. Really shows the potential of how an average player might benefit more than a skilled one

[@uwrossl]

These types of fittings are what the golf community has been asking for. It really answers the question for those wondering if a fitting actually benefits higher handicap players. Great job on Trevor's part. Sure he was feeling some pressure not only of the fitting but also of those cameras rolling.

[@papashuk26]

I have been through 4 fittings / 3 different companies for different parts of my game and not one came ANYWHERE close to what these two show us on their videos. I hope their influence permeates the new alliance.

[@77bovi]

Could you pls elaborate because other than the 10min golf lesson (which is huge) I didnt notice anything special fitting wise. Didnt mention shafts much, nothing on build length etc

[@papashuk26]

There’s a place in the video where they list the different heads and shafts they tried but didn’t video. That takes much more time that a 10 minute video shows. These guys are on a quest to get the perfect match which is evident when they went all the way back to tweak the best choice once again to make sure it was the right choice. . Their depth of knowledge and reluctance to accept a fitting that is “close” sets them far and above any fitting I have experienced- I have used Dicks, Club Champion, and Golftec - no one was close to this level of commitment

[@77bovi]

@@papashuk26 I saw that but that quite normal procedure, nothing really out of ordinary fitting wise. No word on swing weight lie angle shaft length and different shafts etc

[@papashuk26]

@@77bovi that’s great that you have experienced great fittings for you needs. I have not

[@77bovi]

@@papashuk26 hope you find a good one soon! All the best 👍😀⛳🐦 Tbh txg have shown more in depth fittings in their past videos and probably why I was underwhelmed by this one.

[@william_hartman]

A video with a mid handicap player with a more average swing speed is interesting to watch! I appreciate that you spent a little time on his swing, that probably helps just as much if not more than the new driver.

[@MW-od8vu]

Ian, not only a superior club fitter, also a bloody good swing coach! Wow! 🏌️‍♂️

[@adambrown5894]

Kinda love that as a golfer- I become immediately emotionally invested in this random stranger’s progress. Thrilled for Trevor that M&I found something that worked so well for him.

[@ariasfit]

I love seeing a fit with a customer closer to my skill range. Definitely makes fittings look more appealing to those mid and high handicappers.

[@reidbrian08]

Love that we are fitting mid-handicap. I'm a 13.2 handicap, hoping to get to an 11.

[@885wc]

Shoot for 8 mate as a first stop. 2 strokes off isn’t nearly ambitious enough to force the grind.

[@massey8]

I agree with this. I’m off 12, got to 11 last year but made big changes over winter. Shooting for 7, but will be happy if I come up short at 9. Definitely helping me grind and put the work in

[@pottsyweb]

Love the fitting videos… we get to see TXG in their natural environment helping real people find better. It would be a great to keep this as a regular feature ie fitting of the week or month 👍🏻

[@mishellgagnon5771]

Always a pleasure to see you guys fitting a higher handicaper. That's what most of us relate to. THANKS!

[@badbilly429]

More fitting videos! These are so cool to watch especially mid handicappers like this

[@mikecook8059]

These fittings are really fun to watch! Great Job!!

[@edstrazz2758]

Truly enjoy fitting videos of all variety of handicaps. From you two, the fittings are top notch. Keep them coming boys! 🙏

[@patrickjaneiro4994]

I really like these fittings its nice to see the thought process behind pciking out the equipment with someone whose swing looks alot more like mine.

[@alecbarrickman5121]

I love these fitting videos with all sorts of handicappers. Really shows the relevance of getting fit for a driver.

[@golf007sd2]

That was on hell of session....not only was their some swing aid provided but also a very complex driver fitting process. Not sure how long this all took, but if it was me, I would table the driving head and shaft and come back a few days later and see if the numbers achieved could be replicated; after all that setup is going to cost some good capital.

[@paulbentleymusic]

Never ceases to amaze me. Just unreal results from an expert fitting. Ian, mate, please come to the U.K. for some sessions. I’ll come anywhere!!!

[@uNkLeRaRa4]

This will be my 4th season golfing. I had a quick lesson at the golf show in Mississauga about a month ago. I got some tips on takeaway, and I've been working on it hitting into my net. I'm JUST now starting to get the hang of feeling the changes I need to make, and am starting to get an idea of what's happening in my swing. It takes a LONG time, and an outside perspective to truely understand your own swing. You guys always give me something to consider in my own swing, and I'm excited that I'm at a spot now where I feel like I can actually implement swing changes 🙌

[@The_sunday_lout]

For me this is what makes being fit by a specialist club builder like TXG, is by far worlds away from store fits. The addition information (coaching in a form) that enables you to get the best from the fitting and just makes the whole experience so worth while. Be it TXG Canada (if your lucky enough) or Custom Lab Golf in the UK (where I get fit) it’s just a completely different product. Get fit yes, but get fit by the right people with the right knowledge. Your golf game will only get better for it. Well done TXG

[@kalbeeRaimer]

I work at one of the busiest PGA superstores in the country and all the fitters watch TXG and try to incorporate their protocols in our fittings. Main thing is TXG also have club data instead of just ball data like lots of retailers only have.

[@The_sunday_lout]

@@kalbeeRaimer fair comment

[@danielcohen3159]

Very cool fitting. I love seeing the big gains that can come when fitting a mid-capper.

[@saint_leonard74]

Again this goes to show how important it is to get fitted. I was always skeptical about this but now I’m sold on fittings. Great video

[@dirtyolejoker4520]

I really like how you guys helped get him sorted out for a bit.

[@leewalford2468]

Great stuff boys 👏🏼

[@johnnyrotten5905]

Watching the fitting of the mid/high handicap players has actully helped me address flaws within my own swing. The early extension is a distance killer.

[@bigbertha8]

Right around my level. Was really helpful!

[@colinschrank5576]

Wow great gains, im sure Trevor left feeling so good of himself when you gain that many yards in one fitting.

[@TT-ov1mc]

Very very useful VDO! I like how he shows the spec of driver heads and shafts. More of these on mid handicap golfers please.

[@joeygarnreiter]

Oh man, PLEASE show the other adjustments you made with Trevor! I'm a 13 handicap and would love to see where I may have any overlap with the tweaks and changes you offered him

[@drgrzz]

Great videos. I like to see different players getting fitted.

[@EricTheGolfFiend]

LOVE fitting vids

[@brentninedorf6617]

Good vid, as usual. Nice to get a more complete picture by seeing his iron tendencies too.

[@paulbown3960]

Love your work gentlemen, so good watching the videos and seeing how much positive effect you can have on some ones game. If I had a hat on I would be tipping it in your direction Sir's

[@KB-zz3fh]

Great vid! Awesome content!

[@philipslighting8240]

Great free lesson too.

[@waynepark4430]

That was awesome to watch.

[@petertamburro6578]

Love it. Great video

[@micdogg187]

I love videos like this as a high handicaper it lets me know if a driver fitting is worth it which it seems like it is.

[@rolfvandulst1605]

Great to see this fitting of a mid-handicaper. I hope my next driver fitting is as comprehensive.

[@thebikepackingadventurer]

I found very similar in my fitting a couple of weeks ago. Stealth2 was very nice, but the Aerojet with HZRDUS silver gen 4 won for consistency. Slightly shorter than the stealth2 but much smaller dispersion. I highly recommend anyone to get fitted properly as shaft changes made huge differences too. Removes all the guessing and fingers being crossed 🤞🏻

[@SteveSmith-zz4ih]

Great work and result. Like most have said, more middies and highs for fittings,

[@davidcole2337]

I like seeing People who have similar Handicap to mine. I have always been told that the LS Drivers are Harder to hit than normal Drivers.

[@markwatson5984]

Great video!

[@mikekerr5843]

I luv these mid handicapper reviews

[@Murf1802]

loved it, around my HC I'm much older, I purchased the TSR 3 with upgraded shaft ADI 5 haven't hit it yet ,I afraid I jump the gun on the 3 , my swing speed is in the lower 90s , I had Tietilist send me a return label but scratching my head like a bogey golfer!! lol big difference I may trade it in for the TSR 1 the video I saw with you guys few weeks ago , very impressive!! thanks again eye opener for me!! Nice job with the fitting!!

[@TenPester]

I fell for the Stealth last season in the fitting. I was the same, knocking it by all the others. Felt great. First few rounds, my CH speed dropped out of fear on the course, and the club was just too low spin for my course speed. It's ok mashing balls into a no consequence range, but add complexity and fear, and a need to put a scorecard in, and you slow down. Can't help it. So I ended up in Ping land with a tad more spin. Expensive experiment.

[@kylesinclair203]

It’s nice to see a golfer that doesn’t hit it ‘perfect’ every time. Thanks…. Hope to see more of these….

[@LosSaintPatrick]

Great stuff boys! Enjoy hitting those bombs Trevor!

[@georgelehman7047]

I have a club review/fitting tomorrow at our local Club Champion. I chose this venue based on the work of this channel. I truly hope my experience comes close to what we see here.

[@jacksoni349]

This is what I need

[@chill0902]

I really would love to see a 5 or so. Someone with speed but not a ton of technical ability. Loved the rob coates fitting

[@davidlargen31]

Great video...

[@markjackson8023]

You guys are the best, hope i can afford to come over from Sweden one day and have a complete bag fitting.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Thank you Mark.

[@craigarnzen]

So we've maybe never seen this, but this fit had a bit of a lesson built in. How does this impact a fit, (if he wanted a full bag) as Trevor will likely see some interesting swing changes over the next couple of months as he builds a new swing around this mini-lesson? Should he come back in a few months for the irons?

[@fuzzybanana9128]

Dang it!!!!! Every time i think im happy with my current driver you guys do a vid proving me wrong. Most of my numbers are better than this nice mans yet hes hitting further with better flight because of a better fitting. Dang it!!

[@hernanenutube]

If only Club Champion could have an Ian Fraser on each shop to do this kind of fitting!!!!

[@curtisrichey4431]

Well done! 14 and fixing to go down. I see below 10 very soon!! Update on progress video would be nice to follow.

[@davemarshall2756]

Wow love this video. I need to get in for a fit like that. Maybe I can get up to 230 carry

[@davidlewis9117]

Good times, bad times, you know I’ve had my share

[@meloapa]

Very useful. I'm trying to imagine how many full driver swings Trevor took in this whole process, watching his club head speed drop as he naturally became fatigued! Good on him for exposing his swing and game for our benefit. NOTE: it's really important to mention that the customer ended up with a $1,000 driver between the Stealth head and the upcharge Ventus shaft. Would have been interesting to see the difference between that and a stock shaft option and see what he got for the extra 4 bills.

[@martyfarrell9459]

I can say from experience. Had a Iron/driver fitting at TXG in Toronto. 3 hours. I wanted new irons and was (and still are) thrilled with my Srixon Combo set. Driver fitting, however, was a surprise. While it is their job to sell, I was told my M2 head suited me well, but the dispersion was dramatically improved with a different shaft. So while I did spend on the shaft, I saved on the clubhead and my HCP has dropped by 4. Was lucky to have met Ian there that day too, super nice guy and down to earth!

[@patrickbarter]

Tried fitting at Club Champion and the heavy swingweights from their adapters really did make things tough.

[@stevenhochman1]

Never stops amazing me how Ian is like a magician with fitting the driver to the golfer. I’m very sure that Stealth2 with a real (not stock) Ventus TR after market shaft is going to cost you at least $950-$1,050 from a Club Champion Fitting. Big difference in stock Ventus and Ventus TR. I am very sure that the stock shaft profile that the manufacturers test which shafts fit the average player 80-90 swing speeds. If you get a choice of 4 top brand shafts without an up charge you have a better chance of hitting it better than your driver you have if it’s 3-5 years or older. Places like PGA Superstore and others who giver you a real fitting won’t try and upsell you and usually discount the driver or get a new last years model that works for you.

[@andy.robinson]

As great as the club fitting was, I reckon Trevor's investment would be better used on a few lessons to fine-tune that swing and introduce some consistency. Then any driver will get him into the right ballpark.

[@brandonf6012]

Great to meet you boys at the NYC event. We talked a bit about fitting on different turfs and the spin you see. I noticed in this video at the NYC store there is a fiberbuilt mat. What do you see for numbers different than other Mats? I have the fiberbuilt in my sim and wondering if it’s more or less spin than others.

[@GiovanniFollo]

In a perfect world where a golfer can afford to change their driver this fitting analysis makes perfect sense. I believe their are many golfers that cannot afford to replace their driver but may want to simply try to maximize either the adjustability or maybe just the shaft to get some extra distance. Maybe walking a mid handicapper through these steps and options might be a good suggestion for your next video. Let’s get Trevor back with his Cobra driver and see what you can do with his old Cobra driver. I believe the Stealth 2 retails for $799.99, ouch!

[@Jdu1881]

Great video! Very informative. Especially since I am pretty much exactly where Trevor is on club speed and ball speed. Curious as to why a regular flex shaft wasn’t tried. I was under the impression stiff shafts are for swing speeds over 100mph. 🤷‍♂️

[@volkerpetersen2671]

Really nice, i have 13 HCP and similar speed, can really relate. 250m drives are bombs for me, if i dont get help from wind or playing downhill. Its not much...but in fact the average member of our club does not crack 200m.

[@edwardbrown6245]

Great fitting ..wish you guys are around Mississauga.. good to see all heads and companies to find the right driver

[@clubchampionmedia]

We are in Mississauga.

[@edwardbrown6245]

Where about are you guys..I am in to see tou

[@Schwinger22]

Like the higher handicap fitting

[@MussbacherIndustries]

With all the great comments, it looks an time to do a subscriber survey of handicaps. To get a precise measure of your current subscribed audience. I'll start, Handicap Factor is 7.4 - Golf Canada

[@franktrierweiler371]

Great video again on higher handicap fitting! Could you find it in your hearts to do this with the TSR1 fairway metals? Thanks

[@77bovi]

Would love to see more shootouts with the stealth 2 vanilla, esp vs g430 max with Ian in the hitting bay. Tried the stealth 2 vanilla myself casually and was shocked how forgiving it was, straight as and with a great ball flight. Usually play a 65g S and the stock tensei red 50g S (j spec I think) was doing so well for me. Whippier just the kick landed perfectly at impact. I'm about a 105-110mph driver.

[@ryang1910]

I love stealth 2 plus. I bought stealth. I was disappointed. Stealth 2 plus is everything I hoped it would be

[@capnhook33_]

Trevor represents like 90% of amateur golfers with his swing tendencies. Honestly a bit surprised he was gaming the forged tec, because he almost certainly could benefit from some more GI irons. Especially because his mishit is to hit it thin.

[@uglygolf]

So want fitted for a new driver after watching that 😂 My TM Burner from 2006 gets those numbers on Trackman so I'd expect more than Trev got 😂 I'm currently 14.7 hcp coz I can't get two good nines together all the time. I can hit 84,82 at one course and at my local course is where I hit 43 & 51 or 51 & 44 😂 Metal 😮

[@InfoumusMOBB]

Wish you guys were closer to me I need a serious driver and iron fitting. With a little lesson mixed in there. Lol

[@kieranbeach646]

Just been to a golf fitting at American golf in the UK. Hated it because I compared it to all your videos. Your set-up and fitting is next level. Is there anything like this in the UK at all? Thanks

[@blakeg.1093]

Is this the type of fitting that we could expect out of any of your fitters, or was this a little extra for KZbin? This was exceptional imo 👍

[@gbaker7952]

Damn wish I knew!!! I live in ny.

[@FGrecoJR]

The shot at 8:08 is a perfect example of Trackman indoors showing a toe strike as an open face and an exaggerated miss to the right. So annoying indoors! But great fit by Ian as always.

[@kevinconnolly754]

cool video, I'm a 14 hcp and use exactly the same irons as trev with a cobra F8 3 wood. i can't find a driver i get along with but had 1 hit with an original Steath that went dead straight 270 metres middle fairway 😮 wish i could afford one😂

[@banditbaker1675]

Great work Guys From personal experience, I know that part of Ian's Magic Dust is his ability to guide the golfer into making slight adjustments to their swing so that they can get the maximum benefit out of the fitting process and end up with clubs that are optimised👍👍

[@oldgold5848]

Nice to see you about Bandit! Where have you been hiding?

[@banditbaker1675]

@@oldgold5848 Hey my good friend, I've been in hibernation for the winter but now that it's getting warmer I'm resurfacing 👍👍 I hope that all is well with you are your guys at the Molineux?

[@oldgold5848]

@@banditbaker1675 some bad play, some worse refereeing. Hopefully we avoid relegation. Enjoying the lighter evening though, won't be long before a few cheeky 9 holes after work.

[@banditbaker1675]

@@oldgold5848 Yes, it's going to be a tight race at each end of the table. I'm being to feel my old golfing muscles twitching so I'm hoping to be able to get out on the Course again soon👍👍

[@stephan5278]

when are you back in NYC? I live in CT and would love to schedule a fitting, but I'm probably not coming to Canada. 😀

[@kramzaid4720]

I wish you had a facility out here in Arizona.

[@johnk.atchley5079]

Any chance you might do fittings at other Club Champion locations, such as just outside of Washington DC in Rockville, Maryland?

[@jimmypickett2449]

It looked like he had crept to close to the ball a few times to me. It wouldn't have mattered because he definitely got the best driver for him with all he tested!

[@BWen3]

That was one of the most violent goat humps I’ve seen!

[@philipslighting8240]

Thats not a phrase we use in the UK. Interesting.

[@BWen3]

@@philipslighting8240 😂😂. On This side of the pond it is. I wish it wasn’t.

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

he needs a lesson ASAP, that’s gonna be a tough habit to break unfortunately and cause a whole lot of inconsistency no matter how great the fitting is

[@corywilson2317]

I'm ready to make the trip north....I really just need this driver fitting experience! The worst club in my bag currently! It appears selecting Ian is no longer an option 😞

[@richardbeet1338]

Great content guys love ur work. Only issue is that why is it that cobra drivers always seem to be left out. Such a shame as cobra is as good as anything out there.

[@shaneclose1444]

I could certainly use help in the irons arena. 😂 Arccos has me losing 3 shots on approach. Club Champion Louisville right before next year’s PGA Championship? 😉

[@dsc-nr5zy]

Another degree of loft would put the spin and launch and dynamic loft right in the center of those optimized ranges, wouldn't it? Maybe just a little decrease in ball speed as the cost?

[@edtoperzer3238]

Do you ever do fittings in Orlando?

[@krismarch3718]

Can you both come to Sarasota when I get fitted for a new driver this December? 😂😂.

[@waynethomas9957]

I wish all your club champion owned places around the world came to you for training because when I watch your video I didn't get that experience and to be honest I don't think I would get fit again

[@jimmyculp8756]

Had these irons, pretty but hated them!

[@benross422]

Ian is the master and his triple threat, former teaching pro, master fitter, equipment expert comes through. Trevor is leaving a lot of speed on the table. He generates nearly all the power with hands and arms and lets his left arm fold across his chest, fooling him into thinking he's turning. If you look like Trevor when you swing, the best thing to do a get the Tour Striker Ball to learn how to turn, while keeping your arms in front of you. He was +5 AoA with 9 iron, which would be perfect for Driver. It makes sense that he liked the Ventus TR Red and Stealth 2. TR Red has a very high balance point, which helps him get dynamic loft. Stealth 2 is also lighter than the Ping Heads for sure. Ventus Black fits nearly nobody. Unless you're Gary Woodland or Scheffler and pull the handle down a ton with an insanely quick transition, DON'T do Ventus Black.

[@lindseynikifor3029]

Great series of videos. I play as low as 8 but typically around 11. Could certainly use the help to stay consistent. Would love the opportunity

[@MrMalditor]

I really wish there was a place like yours to visit around here. I leave so much on the table but I have no idea if the issue is my driver is not really fitting me anymore or if my swing has gone to pot. All I know is my driver spin is 4000+ on a majority of my shots and the "good" ones are still in the 3000's. I'm put off by the massive jump in price of the new drivers since I bought my last one, so I don't even really want to bother going through a fitting only to find it's going to cost me 800+ for something.

[@winstonsmith11]

If this doesn't speak to the value of a fitting, idk what will. You can have great ideas that make perfect sense in theory, but then find that something different altogether performs best in practice.

[@jlnew10]

Was he fitted for stock Ventus or the aftermarket Velocore ? Was length a factor or was it the stock 45.75" ? Could those two areas that he was low on in the Trackman Optimizer have been fixed with further adjustments ?

[@Omnis2]

You can see his arms are too across his body and his hips don't turn in the backswing when he hits them to the right. I blocked everything for a year until I figured that out. It's not clubs (though going to a midsize from jumbomax helped me with face control)