When Formula 1 Had MASSIVE TURBOS

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@lukasmuursepp2267
@lukasmuursepp2267 Жыл бұрын
1400hp is insane, it's 1500 more than my Passat.
@caledonianrailway1233
@caledonianrailway1233 Жыл бұрын
Try turning it on
@kalerk_tm5690
@kalerk_tm5690 Жыл бұрын
Wait you have -100 hp
@iiTsFaded_
@iiTsFaded_ Жыл бұрын
It’s 1242 more than my Corolla XRS
@kingchucklesii2197
@kingchucklesii2197 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@blairmarshall544
@blairmarshall544 Жыл бұрын
You have minus 100hp?
@AJBa83
@AJBa83 Жыл бұрын
In Adrian Newey's book he comments that all this power meant that teams didn't worry too much about aero - they could stick a big wing on and power through. You can kinda tell from the looks of a lot of the cars. But when turbos went it set the stage for aero developments to take over.
@fredbawden1468
@fredbawden1468 Жыл бұрын
Excellent book, highly recommended
@davidaugustofc2574
@davidaugustofc2574 Жыл бұрын
Read it once, will read it again
@casimir92
@casimir92 Жыл бұрын
Just imagine neweys aero on one of those beasts of an engine
@ericheick7044
@ericheick7044 Жыл бұрын
As Enzo said... aerodynamics is for people who can't build engines
@OnionChoppingNinja
@OnionChoppingNinja 9 ай бұрын
Imagine the Layton house he designed with an M12 in the back.
@j_e_hill
@j_e_hill Жыл бұрын
My friend was turbo technician / engineer for Lotus in that era. He said Senna insisted on getting a fresh turbo for his last ultimate qualifying lap in the session, so they developed a procedure to swap the turbo on a hot engine during the session in the pits. Amazing to think of them replacing 1000° turbos and sending him back out in just minutes. It’s all in the margins. Always has been in F1.
@hihihihihello
@hihihihihello Жыл бұрын
That is crazy as fk
@FrancSchiphorst
@FrancSchiphorst Жыл бұрын
Using up more turbos in a weekend than a complete season this year.
@AmirPomen
@AmirPomen Жыл бұрын
I reckon that was achieved by using v-band clamp system?
@Jonathan_Doe_
@Jonathan_Doe_ Жыл бұрын
@@AmirPomenProbably bought extra manifolds and exhausts with them, undo the oil/coolant lines, send the manifold nuts off with an air tool.. Deal with actually removing the turbo from the exhaust once it’s cooled off.
@sahhull
@sahhull Жыл бұрын
I work in oil and fuel development. Ive seen and touched ceramic engines and turbos that are so thermally efficent that you can still handle them when they are glowing orange without burning yourself.. They are still uncomfortably hot, but it doesnt burn you. Yes its a head scrambler. Everything you know says dont touch it, but you can.
@Finkelthusiast
@Finkelthusiast Жыл бұрын
As someone who loves classic F1 I love these historic videos you guys make. Really does an amazing job of putting the viewer in that time period where we can't take things like electronics and other technologies for granted.
@kls2020
@kls2020 Жыл бұрын
I always loved a quote from James Hunt regarding turbo F1 engines back in that era . "When you first hit the accelerator nothing happens , then Everything happens !"
@hanbo123
@hanbo123 Жыл бұрын
Hats off to the drivers of this pre-safety era. They were daredevils and willing to seriously risk their lives to go fast.
@Avetho
@Avetho Жыл бұрын
The drivers know full-well what they're getting into, the cars have to be so light to counter the sheer weight of the balls needed to drive that fast, I say LET THEM COOK!
@crusherbmx
@crusherbmx Жыл бұрын
They were very concerned about safety in the 80's, well after the incidents of 1982 they were....they weren't very good at it, they were just learning...I'm not sure if the safety record for F1 in the 80's was due to the safety precautions or just pure luck.
@50gary
@50gary Жыл бұрын
Always remember that in light of these modern F1 fans that immediately crown Lewis or now Max as the greatest driver ever. Likely either one back in the day would not have lived long enough to rack up that many starts or wins. Imagine Jimmy Clark or Ayrton Senna in a current winning car? This year in particular Max V. is unchallenged, that's not great racing. Thus it cannot be considered a great accomplishment.
@coreygolpheneee
@coreygolpheneee Жыл бұрын
Here's the thing, there's plenty of safety in this era compared to the cosworth V8 era.
@limpetarch98k
@limpetarch98k Жыл бұрын
@@crusherbmxI bet Spa-Francorchamps had something to do with their gradual obsession over safety. Even in modern days, the track is still taxing the driver’s skills in a way others tracks struggle to do, and dont get me started on the old layout’s Masta Kink.
@tehllama42
@tehllama42 Жыл бұрын
It would still be plenty fun to just drop the instantaneous fuel flow limit to see how much the current ICE elements could really make if fully uncorked in qualifying mode
@allgomesareevil6121
@allgomesareevil6121 Жыл бұрын
Ferrari noises 2019 :D
@RCRitterFPV
@RCRitterFPV Жыл бұрын
remove RPM limit and fuel flow limit and I'm game... would love to see the drivers have an overboost button... just limit total fuel for race... need more Kablooeys
@olerothemberg3869
@olerothemberg3869 Жыл бұрын
@@RCRitterFPV the rpm limit is (afaik) 15.000. when you look at the telemetry during a race you gonna see the drivers shifting at around 12.000rpm, so the rpm limit is not really a concern rigth now since the engines loose performence when reffing that high sadly (might be fuel economy also, but i'm not sure about that)
@andrewahern3730
@andrewahern3730 Жыл бұрын
@@olerothemberg3869I think that’s because of fuel flow rules. From 12k-15k rpm, there’s more friction but not enough fuel to burn all the air.
@olerothemberg3869
@olerothemberg3869 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewahern3730 yeah that might be. i kinda remember having read something like that some time ago
@hitmanvr6
@hitmanvr6 Жыл бұрын
Once you hear "it needs a cast iron block" you know you're dealing with a ton of power..
@tommymaddox6785
@tommymaddox6785 Жыл бұрын
Steel would be stronger unlike the statement from the presenter. However cast iron has better damping abilities than cast steel.
@gehtdianschasau8372
@gehtdianschasau8372 7 ай бұрын
@@tommymaddox6785 Steel is stronger (and also not less dense than cast iron, for any practical purposes) but cast iron is much more brittle than steel. you can cold bend mild steel, roll it, knock dents out,... cast iron cracks from the stress of welding without proper heat treatment alone. So the presenter is very wrong, but you aren't correct either. But you probably didn't waste hours for it.
@emperorsniper2806
@emperorsniper2806 Жыл бұрын
8:23 over 2000 horsepower per ton... wow
@bobbybobman3073
@bobbybobman3073 Жыл бұрын
Why say over 2000, when it's more like 2300 hp/ton. That's terrifying.
@bornasiroki3976
@bornasiroki3976 Жыл бұрын
​@@bobbybobman3073at that point its a coffin on wheels
@longshot766
@longshot766 Жыл бұрын
Did anyone notice it finished with “and I’ll catch you”. Like is he after me? Should I be afraid?
@RANhxcCORE
@RANhxcCORE Жыл бұрын
LOL SAME.
@kkuenzel56
@kkuenzel56 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I was able to experience the amazing sounds of the Turbo engines of the 80s at the Detroit Grand Prix! The backfires, flames and the sound bouncing off the buildings of downtown Detroit!
@marktiltins8845
@marktiltins8845 Жыл бұрын
Mine was 1985 Mitsubishi Australian GP. Fantastic 😎👍
@magooracing
@magooracing Жыл бұрын
I was in Detroit in 88. That was when F1 was spectacular. They might be turning faster lap times now but they don’t look on the edge of being out of control.
@wnoyes1100
@wnoyes1100 Жыл бұрын
This is the kind of video I absolutely LOVE from driver 61. Detailed history of racing tech development, with good storytelling and fascinating facts and context. Answering dozens of questions I didn’t know I even had! Thanks Scott and the whole Driver61 team. I’ve learned so much over the last couple years. You guys do an amazing job!
@alwaysinverted1224
@alwaysinverted1224 Жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm in the minority, but i think it would be much more exciting to have formula 1 with the current cost cap and basic major outlines for car size and weight, but allowed the teams to choose how to get the results it wants in anyway. Id love to see v10s and v12s against turbo v6s and such. Im dreaming of course but man is it a fun daydream!
@Firecul
@Firecul Жыл бұрын
Yip I'm of the same mind. Here is the box your car has to fit through. You have this much fuel per race. You have this much to spend per season. Go.
@alwaysinverted1224
@alwaysinverted1224 Жыл бұрын
@@Firecul bingo!
@Firecul
@Firecul Жыл бұрын
I forgot a minimum set of crash safety features but I'd hope that is a given.
@aslam7952
@aslam7952 Жыл бұрын
Yes, now that there is a cost cap, they should look at keeping other restrictions to a minimum. The cost cap will naturally limit things like fuel consumption, crashes and unreliability.
@brickbrack_
@brickbrack_ Жыл бұрын
That's what WEC did (maximum downforce allowance), and it gave us the beauty that is the Peugeot. And honestly each hypercar is so different from one another. Absolutly love to see it
@JesusismyRedeemerandLord
@JesusismyRedeemerandLord Жыл бұрын
I got into f1 in 2014 but the 80s turbo is my favorite era. The sound is intoxicanting. The boost threshold of those days was imfamous. I heard once you get back on throttle way before you would in a normal response throttle.
@davidca96
@davidca96 Жыл бұрын
One thing you need to also remember is, they were pushing 1k+ horsepower in a car that had very basic steering/gearing so it was a major handful to drive these things. They were brutes, like bucking bronco's. Absolutely LOVE the early to mid 80's cars.
@turbo_brian
@turbo_brian Жыл бұрын
What's more insane is I worked for a company that supplied some of these engines with turbos and looked at the drawings and a few samples that came in for rebuilds (historic racing series) and they were surprisingly different than what is currently used. I would love to have one on the shelf to poke around and talk about with others.
@turbo_brian
@turbo_brian Жыл бұрын
Worth noting the current gen turbos are insane on a whole nother level, I've seen those too and they basically aren't turbos, they're like an entirely new technology.
@Celciusify
@Celciusify Жыл бұрын
@@turbo_brian Honda's initial turbo design for their 2015 engine wasn't the normal "snail" turbo, it was elongated to reduce its diameter to help with the "Size zero" concept, so it was ICE engine designers trying to make a turbine without really knowing how to build one. After it blew up every other race they went and asked their jet engine department for help. Now it's more of a "snail" turbo, but I would love to see the complexity of it...
@lukeskywalket2894
@lukeskywalket2894 Жыл бұрын
My dad got to see the Renaults at Watkins Glen in 77 and 78, and he said that the drivers would carry as much speed as they could through the corners, then get on the throttle and hope that the car was still pointed in the right direction coming out of the turn. He also noted that they would leave tracks on the uphill when the turbos kicked in, that's how much of a difference they made.
@milesdufourny4813
@milesdufourny4813 Жыл бұрын
I remember the days of turbo F-1 cars, in qualifying trim they came out of tight corners like a dragster! Up at the 1986 Montreal GP Mansell and Senna were battling for the pole and the speed and sound was incredible! Between shifts there would be an explosion like a stick of dynamite 🧨!!!
@youerny
@youerny Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤
@san-joshuabarrett
@san-joshuabarrett Жыл бұрын
That turbo dog @ 4:24 thou lol
@TheRoboteer
@TheRoboteer Жыл бұрын
Not only did using excess fuel cool the turbo for more power, but it could also be used to help eliminate turbo lag. Ferrari were the first to really capitalise on this (as far as I'm aware) midway through 1981 by combusting fuel INSIDE their turbo compressor to keep it spinning even when off throttle and reduce lag. Another big thing to note was that when McLaren were running their TAG-Porsche engine (late 1983-1987), they didn't run special qualifying engines like the other top teams. They'd turn up the qualifying boost pressure, but the likes of Renault (and their customer Lotus), BMW (with Brabham and later Benetton) and Honda with Williams would all run totally new engine blocks which were essentially disposable just for qualifying and could turn up the boost even higher as a result. It was therefore actually quite rare to see the McLaren-TAGs right up at the front in qualifying, even in 1984 where the car was truly dominant in races since in quali they were always at least 100 horsepower down on their main rivals. They made up for it however in race with their excellent engine management system provided by Bosch, solid reliability (though this began to waver especially in 1987 as it became clear that the engine was losing competitiveness, driving them to push it harder for more performance) and very solid power in race trim (since they ran less quali boost, this also meant they lost less power compared to their rivals going from quali to the race) One last minor thing, but the pictures you showed of the F1 car you drove around 4:40 were of the non-turbo Lotus 91 from 1982.
@Houseballey
@Houseballey Жыл бұрын
@10:07 "and i'll catch you *video ends*" ominous
@bmxboxter
@bmxboxter Жыл бұрын
Awesome video - I just went to Watkins Glen this past weekend for the Sahlen’s Six Hours race. I sadly was born too late to see any F1 cars there, but I have had the privilege of seeing IndyCar there back in 2017.
@Tassadar4Ever
@Tassadar4Ever Жыл бұрын
When a channel knows exactly what I'm interested in!!
@Mountain-Man-3000
@Mountain-Man-3000 Жыл бұрын
Telling everyone at the end that you'll catch them is such an Alpha move.
@milanaero
@milanaero Жыл бұрын
Excess fuel is also used in piston airplane engines, when you operate in high power mode, the fuel system adds ca 10% more fuel than it is necessary because most full power use happens during climb - when you are slower and less air passes through the air-cooled engine to cool it down :)
@ASJC27
@ASJC27 Жыл бұрын
Some cars do it too. My fl5 civic type r will set the AFR to 11.5:1 for WOT under boost. That means in those conditions it injects 12% more fuel than there is oxygen to burn it with.
@adriendebosse6941
@adriendebosse6941 Жыл бұрын
@@ASJC27 It's the common way to reduce the exhaust gas temperature (EGT) to stay under the limit for gasoline engines. For diesel engines, as you're in excess of air, you usually reduce/limit the fuel injected to limit the temperature.
@varmastiko2908
@varmastiko2908 Жыл бұрын
@@ASJC27 All turbocharged petrol engines in production do this. Every one.
@michaelschlachter1628
@michaelschlachter1628 7 ай бұрын
Yes, pretty standard in aircraft engines. I fly with a Lycoming YIO-540-exp. Takeoff is always done full rich regardless of field altitude to prevent the cylinders from overheating until we reach cruising speed and the airflow is enough to cool them. That isn’t my procedure- it is in the engine manual.
@milanaero
@milanaero 7 ай бұрын
@@michaelschlachter1628 it seems your engine has an altitude compensating fuel system. Like a Cirrus SR20 with the Continental engine - anything but cruise is done full rich, even if you are 8000'. Do that in 99% of Lycos or Contis in ordinary planes and you will be glad to fly straight at that altitude :). I was mentioning the feature of many aircraft engines where the current mixture is enriched even more if you are at or very near the full throttle. I experienced throttle reducing by itself slightly on an aircraft without adjustable friction when I could not hold it by hand in the climb and the CHTs just went past 420F in a whim.
@ssifr3331
@ssifr3331 Жыл бұрын
This kind of technological and technical competitiveness is what made me interested in F1. As a kid watching the F1 news analyzing each bit of design was always interesting. If F1 becomes spec series, I might stop watching it.
@IntelligentFerret2822
@IntelligentFerret2822 8 ай бұрын
my mum has a turbo vw beetle with nearly 2.3 bar of boost (somehow) and she had no idea that it had it until about 4 months ago, when she mentioned not having much power when she didn't give it much throttle, but when she pressed on it a little bit more, after about a second she had a lot more power. she told this to my dad, who knows a LOT about cars (probably because he is a part-time mechanic.) and he didn't know either. they both had no clue what was going on until I (being 14 and having an obsession with F1 and WRC) mentioned the fact that it had a turbo and was having turbo lag from it's little inline 4. Good times.
@Yasin5791-d7u
@Yasin5791-d7u Жыл бұрын
These cars where insane. These drivers had to be insane to drive these monsters.
@toejamr1
@toejamr1 Жыл бұрын
I WISH I would have been a little older to be able to really appreciate this. I feel like I totally missed out of such a cool, analog time in racing history.
@222tg_
@222tg_ Жыл бұрын
One of the main reasons you gotta love F1. When engineers go above and beyond around the rules. And often comes the best inventions ever that will lately improve road cars. Just art. And we do see that nowadays often too, but people quickly start hating instead of admiring it. F1 became too football alike with this new type of fans.
@edwardrichardson8254
@edwardrichardson8254 Жыл бұрын
Let's calm down a bit: It was not the power, but the size that was the key to the championship cars, as I will show below. Also, that was 1400 for qualifying w/ Paul Rosche's "Hitler chip" in the BT52 and crazy fuels and dry ice in the intercooler, and you could only do this if you could afford to shit out engines. There are guys drag racing old pickups w/ that kind of HP and nutty boost, it's not rocket science. Piquet had one blow the crankshaft out of the bottom of the monocoque and nail itself into the track, qualifying was really just "burst testing" engines for the players who could afford to. Nothing in F1 is as groundbreaking as it seems. In fact, Rosche had been developing that very same engine (the BMW M12) for TEN YEARS in other racing championships, they decided to run it in F1 after a go in Formula Two. These were modified M10 BMW engines from a family car going back 20 years w/ over 100k miles on them so the iron had been seasoned for high turbo boosting (the M12 model) and ppl took note when they saw them perform in IMSA well before F1. Turbos, fan cars, active aero, ground effects, CVTs and a pile of other tech originated in OTHER RACING CHAMPIONSHIPS like the technology free-for-all freak show known as CAN-AM. HOWEVER, the real main advantage of the inline-4 turbo over its V6 Ferrari and Renault rivals is evident when you look at the one massive turbo on the engine. With one fewer turbo, two fewer cylinders, and eight fewer valves, the Bt52 had lower frictional losses and, therefore, produced less waste heat. Anyone ever own one of the old air-cooled Suzuki GSX-R 750 sport bikes? I have, a 1988. You remember what it's like after it gets hot, right? Like riding through molasses power-wise. Heat is the enemy. But the "Fun Sized" Bt52 had another ace in the hole: Aero. Because it ran cooler, the BT52 could be designed w/ smaller radiators, which meant better aero efficiency and straight-line speed. When you look at the car next to its rivals, it's like an arrow and they are like flying saucers. Those very skinny, short sidepods made it king of the long straights. Qualifying is a power show, racing is where you're going to pick up those 10ths here and there lap after lap for 2 hours. Ergo, Renault may have pioneered turbos in F1 but they never won a world championship in the Turbo era because BALANCE is often they key to F1. That's generally the rule until something shows up like active suspension that alone can leave everyone in the dust.
@michaelsimpson3548
@michaelsimpson3548 Жыл бұрын
They were THE HEROS of my youth. Saw the BMW engine some 30 years ago at the fair. This Turbo was really big!
@kevinmicallef8798
@kevinmicallef8798 Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see you do a series on the technical aspects and innovations of super touring cars. Lots of manufacturer involvement with big money being thrown around towards the end. I have no doubts there’d be a lot of content there given all of the different brands and models in the categories life cycle and different approaches they all took to turn road cars into fully fledged race cars.
@DFSJR1203
@DFSJR1203 11 ай бұрын
I owned a 1962 Oldsmobile Jetfire back in the late 1970's that I bought from the original owner. I remember having to check a fluid it used called "Jetfire Turbo-Rocket Fluid. Yes TURBO. It was the first American car with a TURBO. It ran good, but when gas was being rationed it was a pain. The car averaged 9 MPG so it was not to great when I had to ride 47 miles each way to and from work each day. I sold it to get a more economical car with better MPG.
@ghyuu_again
@ghyuu_again Жыл бұрын
the video ending was a bit premature 😂 "I'll catch you"
@Avetho
@Avetho Жыл бұрын
I almost said out loud "But I haven't jumped-"
@krisuuuuuuuuuuu
@krisuuuuuuuuuuu Жыл бұрын
You can run but you can't hide.
@bestopinion9257
@bestopinion9257 Жыл бұрын
I did a lot of practice in simulator until finally I managed to deal with that turbo lag. It was annoying first but now it is quite fun. In the end I do something similar to what Senna did, popping throttle to keep revs high without spinning before exiting slow corners. And that works great with weak karts too.
@TACTICSGAMING13
@TACTICSGAMING13 Жыл бұрын
10:06 @driver61 what do you mean your gonna catch me haha
@user37814
@user37814 Жыл бұрын
This information is good to know since i am from the nineties F1 fan i didn't know about the eras before much. You did a great job with the video well done and keep ythe good work
@michaelrudert3406
@michaelrudert3406 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that video Driver 61! Everytime good stories from that era. It's incredible how much infos and films I didn't see from that time. Good that you are here to show us.
@skwisgaarskwigelf331
@skwisgaarskwigelf331 Жыл бұрын
Oh my god, that Renault turbo was as big as a Leopard 2 tank turbo. And this monster of an engine pushes 60 tons over 1500 HP.
@bo_bb1442
@bo_bb1442 Жыл бұрын
''Thanks very much for watching and I'll catch you'' 😳
@AzadMG
@AzadMG Жыл бұрын
Saving my day from boredom, thank God.
@Magucci13
@Magucci13 Жыл бұрын
Having a diesel truck with a big turbo, the VGT design really is one of the best adaptations to happen to the turbocharger. My truck is 6.6L, I could only imagine spinning up the same size turbo with 1.5L🤯 Also I wonder if they ever thought of running methanol to cool those motors back then. Like diesel it has more BTU's and burns slower and cooler. I'm guessing though because it used twice as much👀
@zakvilanilam3388
@zakvilanilam3388 Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing you've got a Duramax?
@Magucci13
@Magucci13 Жыл бұрын
@@zakvilanilam3388 yes. Nothing special, but it'll scoot
@kristoffer3000
@kristoffer3000 Жыл бұрын
Methanol burning slower means it's automatically out of the window
@Magucci13
@Magucci13 Жыл бұрын
@@kristoffer3000 yeah I was thinking about that, but methanol injection at least. It's cooling benefits have to be applicable in some significant way.
@lexluthor6906
@lexluthor6906 Жыл бұрын
wasn't there a time when they ran methanol? was it around this time? top fuel doesnt even have a water jacket because they dump fuel in to keep it cool. its effective.
@Private_Duck
@Private_Duck Жыл бұрын
That last "Ill catch you" felt personal
@iancanuckistan2244
@iancanuckistan2244 Жыл бұрын
Gilles Villeneuve at 9:00!
@Fester_
@Fester_ Жыл бұрын
Happy memories. Thanks for that.
@Aggnog
@Aggnog Жыл бұрын
Better spool the turbos or Scott will catch you.
@Does_it_come_in_black
@Does_it_come_in_black Жыл бұрын
1300-1400lb stick shift go cart with 1400 hp these guys 👑
@MsTatakai
@MsTatakai Жыл бұрын
My favorite car in project cars 1 or 2 is Lotus 98T with turbo 100% ... indeed hard to control but when you feel the car you know you can do everything!
@bsmjth
@bsmjth Жыл бұрын
Catch what now Scott?
@slartibartfast2649
@slartibartfast2649 Жыл бұрын
Catch YOU
@papa_pt
@papa_pt Жыл бұрын
Kinda surprised how long it took turbos to make it into F1 considering the success Porsche, BMW, etc had already seen for years before in Le Mans and other events And they were running big boost way before Renault
@Barbosa81
@Barbosa81 Жыл бұрын
Money like always. Turbos were expensive back then and the unrealiability that came with it would make the teams spend even more money. BMW used junkyard 3 series blocks for their qualifying engines and they would literally last 1 lap at full power and blow up right after lol
@papa_pt
@papa_pt Жыл бұрын
@@Barbosa81 yeah I'm thinking more like the 935 and 2.1 Carrera rs turbo which won 24h le mans back in 1974 so had good reliability most times. Bmw also had the twin turbo CSL in 1976, except in that case the issue was the transmission grenading from the turbo torque TBF I think those qualifying engines ran at something like 4 bar and 1400bhp which is bonkers
@adamsjoberrg
@adamsjoberrg Жыл бұрын
I'm also thinking about the Saab 99 Turbo which came out in 77-78. I know we are talking massively different numbers and this is only a production car with 140 hp, but what made it special was the reliability. They invented the wastegate at Saab. I also find it odd that they were not running turbos in F1 at the time already. Probably the amount of power that limited them and nobody was ready for testing it out and risk their reputation. I'm thinking that Le Mans probably was much safer to try things out because of the lower status.
@fernandozanon
@fernandozanon Жыл бұрын
Fun fact that the bmw 4cil used old blocks(from dtm maybe?). If a block had any “bubble” on the casted metal it would have already cracked in the past, so an old block meant it was good/strong to handle the boost
@johnjones928
@johnjones928 Жыл бұрын
No, the block came from the 2002 road car, it was first used as the base for BMW's F2 engine in the early 1970's. They found that the blocks had to have at least 60K km of use to be seasoned enough to stand up to racing stress. Later the race shops started artificially seasoning blocks for racing use.
@astonzappa
@astonzappa Жыл бұрын
@john jones I did read that they were seasoned outside and to speed up this process the blocks were urinated on by employees. A sterling effort by Team BMW.
@johnjones928
@johnjones928 Жыл бұрын
@@astonzappa That's kind of an urban motersports myth, they were outside because the race dept initially was buying the cores from wrecking yards, the second part sound completely made up. The seasoning process has to do with how many heat cycles the block had gone through which tempers and stabilizes the metal, a fresh unit didn't have the integrity for a strong foundation.
@prodajemDomacuRakiju
@prodajemDomacuRakiju Жыл бұрын
⁠@@johnjones928No, that’s a myth like all other nonsense related to that engine. Source: a bmw F1 guy (can’t remember his name) from that era on Die alte Schule podcast.
@kkuenzel56
@kkuenzel56 Жыл бұрын
@@johnjones928 By urinating on the blocks as they sat outside
@marielfernandez2190
@marielfernandez2190 Жыл бұрын
Nice end to the video 😂
@danielrebel8027
@danielrebel8027 Жыл бұрын
“However the engineers got clever” These guys are incredibly talented … Always pushing the rule book !! Great stuff .!
@stefanconradsson
@stefanconradsson Жыл бұрын
Like Porsche in the early 1970s, F1 in the 1980s thought every problem should be solved by adding more horsepower. Bonkers. Awesome video! Cheers 🍺
@vinno97
@vinno97 Жыл бұрын
10:00 "Thank you very much for watching and I'll catch you" Thats sounds very ominous 😳
@adamsteinhardt6393
@adamsteinhardt6393 Жыл бұрын
They should bring back active suspension. Modern ground effect with active suspension would be fantastic
@baxwell3540
@baxwell3540 8 ай бұрын
love the clips used in this, mostly those from another documentary surrounding duckworth/ford/beatrice
@bertram-raven
@bertram-raven Жыл бұрын
Scott: "Thanks very much and I'll catch you" Me: "You won't catch me, I have a 1400hp!"
@Tony-ib2vm
@Tony-ib2vm Жыл бұрын
Toluene came from the fuel volume limit. It's energy density and knock resistance made up for its slow burnrate. They had to heat it before getting to the injectors...
@tiesco
@tiesco Жыл бұрын
bro, 1400HP 600kg and manual gearbox... this soud more scary than dodge vipers i liked
@videomaniac108
@videomaniac108 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the reasons that I prefer larger displacement NA engines for street-driven sports cars, less complex and more reliable with less stress on the engine and drivetrain components.
@Nah5534
@Nah5534 Жыл бұрын
It's all relative to how it's built. I've got 102k miles on my boosted brz and have yet to experience any problems
@videomaniac108
@videomaniac108 Жыл бұрын
I'm not saying that a boosted car has to be unreliable. As you said, if it's built correctly and not abused it probably will be reliable. But if you take two identical engines whose only difference is that one is left NA and the other boosted, the NA one will probably last longer before needing a rebuild, assuming that operating conditions are the same. @@Nah5534
@mdfkrz79
@mdfkrz79 Жыл бұрын
I remember the lotus turbo lag in games, think it was project cars 2, felt like you were accelerating in reverse lol floor it and let off as the turbo kicked in or the wheels would spin 😄
@bertram-raven
@bertram-raven Жыл бұрын
Use the clutch to rev it up. Lag, what lag?!
@markuskoivisto
@markuskoivisto Жыл бұрын
@@bertram-ravendo it a couple of times and you’ll be asking “clutch? What clutch?”
@Woozyman1
@Woozyman1 Жыл бұрын
Ford Benetton -88 with full power (qualifying power) did 0-402 m in 6.7 S and 270 km/h. It´s very impressive.
@greigsanderson
@greigsanderson Жыл бұрын
I wonder why the top speeds weren't closer to 300mph, especially on fast circuits. 1450hp and 550kg cars.
@penguinquestionmark1704
@penguinquestionmark1704 Жыл бұрын
"thanks very much for watching, and I'll catch you" - ominous words of parting.
@rodrigodepierola
@rodrigodepierola Жыл бұрын
I see a Ligier in the thumbnail, I watch and press like.
@Dustparticle000
@Dustparticle000 Жыл бұрын
Senna & the rest...it's like they all had a special feel for those machines...crazy talent...back then with no kind of safety...no abs & traction control...wild era.
@ericb1316
@ericb1316 Жыл бұрын
"(...) often resulting in smashed con-rods and metal smashing through the crankcase" -> "it's not good" haha killed me
@Mr16bit
@Mr16bit Жыл бұрын
Good old toluene. Another good one is xylene. You can buy that as paint thinners from the hardware. Much cheaper than octane booster and has incredible knock resistance
@kitko33
@kitko33 Жыл бұрын
Jeremy Clarkson on how turbos work: “A turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.”
@ferglesnerk
@ferglesnerk Жыл бұрын
I was a pit lane flaggie and 2nd Medic at the AGP. The toluene smell emitting from the exhausts was unmistakable. And yes, the lag was bad. Nothing, nothing, nothing, noth...ROCKET!!!!!!
@mescko
@mescko Жыл бұрын
I've always loved the smell of aromatics. Too bad they're so toxic...
@ricardopetrere
@ricardopetrere Жыл бұрын
"Thank you very much, and I'll catch you---" Feeling threatened now hahahhahahah
@pranavps851
@pranavps851 Жыл бұрын
As a racing driver, Scott wrung out milliseconds off of the laptime. As a KZbinr, Scott struggles to push the video duration past the ten minute barrier.
@rustyshaklferd1897
@rustyshaklferd1897 Жыл бұрын
Had a Buick grand national in 2001ish, a v8 always got a jump on me, but you wait for the boost wave and blow by. They were amazing machines. Have a hemi charger now and recently rented an Audi rs4 I believe. It had no lag at all but made me miss that wave of power you knew was coming.
@nikobellic2515
@nikobellic2515 Жыл бұрын
This makes me think of Murray Walker and James Hunt on Rene Arnoux’s excuse about the N/A vs turbo cars at Monaco 89
@OnionChoppingNinja
@OnionChoppingNinja Жыл бұрын
And all I can say to that is Bulls*it.
@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm
@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm 5 ай бұрын
turbo = i got a subaru 2.0 really great - nice video thank you !
@Tracertme
@Tracertme Жыл бұрын
This was the best era of F1 and Red 5 racing flat out every lap…
@myk6694
@myk6694 Жыл бұрын
That was super quick turbo charged narration
@daveking77
@daveking77 Жыл бұрын
He briefly alluded to them at the end without naming them, but the pop-off valves were hilarious, the sound they made
@waddell7354
@waddell7354 Жыл бұрын
The heat issues would be caused from running to lean (less fuel to air ratio) once they added more fuel and make it more rich (more fuel to air ratio) it wouldn't melt pistons. We didn't have oxygen sensors for our exhaust yet so it was certainly a trial and error for them to get it right.
@paulgerrard9227
@paulgerrard9227 Жыл бұрын
I can recall Senna screaming around Adelaide with Mansell. Deafening turbo was the era. Almost everyone had earplugs.
@natanlakonishok
@natanlakonishok Жыл бұрын
Fascinating as always , best channel in KZbin !
@R3mix97
@R3mix97 Жыл бұрын
Gotta get popcorn whenever Scott says "Let me explain"
@Aengus42
@Aengus42 Жыл бұрын
I didn't think KZbin allowed pornography! 😱😆 Damn! I miss the turbo era! Listening to Senna go round the outside of Prost blat-blat-blat-blat-Hoooooowl!
@TheEulerID
@TheEulerID Жыл бұрын
It should be remembered, that 1400 hp from the BMW was strictly for qualification only, and then for a single lap. The race engines were considerably reduced in power to last the race distance. Then there was all the special fuels which bore little resemblance to what you'd find in your neighbourhood petrol station. However, I do recall seeing this crazy mad cars at Brands Hatch. I also recall the huge difference in performance between the top teams and the ones at the end of the grid in those days. It was clear which teams had the money to spend on such exotic technology, and the bottom teams would trail in several laps back.
@shadowcrj6402
@shadowcrj6402 Жыл бұрын
6:11 thats cleetus mcfarlands oil pan😂 EDIT: it blew up when steve morris had it
@jonasthemovie
@jonasthemovie Жыл бұрын
So it’s not Cleetus’s pan then.
@shadowcrj6402
@shadowcrj6402 Жыл бұрын
@@jonasthemovie it is now if they sold it to cleet
@jonasthemovie
@jonasthemovie Жыл бұрын
@@shadowcrj6402 Why would he use a ruined pan beyond saving?
@shadowcrj6402
@shadowcrj6402 Жыл бұрын
Nvm I thought it survived but it clearly didnt🤣
@MrFluffytheTurtle
@MrFluffytheTurtle Жыл бұрын
Adelaide 1986 qualifying is absolutely crazy
@VictorEstrada
@VictorEstrada Жыл бұрын
Didn't see the whole vid so don't judge, but did he mention the BMW 1500hp engine?
@petergerdes1094
@petergerdes1094 9 ай бұрын
In F1 can you just charge a battery from exhaust and use electricity to run the boost?
@detonator2112
@detonator2112 Жыл бұрын
1986 lineup might be the best ever. World Champions: K.Rosberg, Senna, Prost, Mansell, Piquet. Amazing drivers: Berger, Alboreto, A.Jones, Laffitte, Arnoux. On top of that you had those insane turbo engines. What a season!
@WayApp
@WayApp Жыл бұрын
The acceleration and speed were out of this world. 🔥🏎
@tryhardfighter1833
@tryhardfighter1833 Жыл бұрын
oh hey Its scott. This channel is worthy of watching.
@splatyxd9623
@splatyxd9623 Жыл бұрын
senna really used turbos to the limit his style of throttle while going through the corner made him so great
@gippo5977
@gippo5977 Жыл бұрын
Is that the back straight at Baskerville raceway in Tasmania at 7:57 of that video? Looks identical
@Odo-el2mh
@Odo-el2mh Жыл бұрын
Best F-1 times ever for the ones who love seeing engines at their very best...!!
@davidduro974
@davidduro974 Жыл бұрын
Great Job keep on doing such Great content
@scottl.1568
@scottl.1568 Жыл бұрын
Bring this era back 😮
@balazsbelavari7556
@balazsbelavari7556 Жыл бұрын
Forced induction wasn’t just very common in the aircraft industry, every single IC engine had it, that’s the only way not to lose all your performance in hogher altitudes. But no really, f1 turbos seem straight out of the stone age compared to the complex forced induction systems of end of ww2 piston airplanes.
@gerogyzurkov2259
@gerogyzurkov2259 Жыл бұрын
Turbos in pistons planes had more room and more performance needed vs in cars which are several times smaller cause of the cars size. Yeah I know that pretty much the turbocharger where all used in pistons for a long time in piston engines in planes way before cars.
@woopimagpie
@woopimagpie Жыл бұрын
Some of those aircraft piston engines had unbelievable complexity, the Napier Sabre was a H-24 configuration with sleeve valves and a two-speed supercharger driven by a torsion shaft. The P47's R2800 Double Wasp air cooled radial had a remote mounted turbo/intercooler (behind the cockpit). Pretty amazing they were able to get them to work at all, let alone reliably. Incredible it took until the 70s for turbo tech to appear with any regularity in the car industry.
@gerogyzurkov2259
@gerogyzurkov2259 Жыл бұрын
@@woopimagpie it's probably cause Turbochargers need tons of air and car engineers probably didn't think of it until leftover aero engineers started to think of using their knowledge. Let's not forget of Ships too.
@apocalypse94
@apocalypse94 Жыл бұрын
thumbnail pic shooting flame out the coldside of a turbo
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