Driving 2013 Nissan Leaf 24 kWh to Geilo part 1

[@jannorgaard561]

Fortunately, the electric car world has come a long way since the Nissan Leaf was "number 1"! 👍

[@bjornnyland]

Don't forget that L in LEAF means Leading!

[@briise]

yes, leading the slowes charging race.@@bjornnyland

[@fendt126]

​@@briiseAfter degradation it has smaller battery than freaking Prius so it should charge quite fast😂

[@SvenQ45]

But also a Ghosn product... 😆 Always bring Carlos.

[@richierich087]

I love how Bjorn is including The Sun logo on his video thumbnails after they stole his content 😂

[@alexandersmith3085]

Wow….112km and over two hours travelling…yup, fascinating to see where we’ve come from…thanks, Mr. Bjorn!

[@Vapourized90]

We had a nice article about you today in Helsingin Sanomat. Seems like we finns and norwegians have the same mindset. 😅

[@michaolszewski892]

I have the same car but I installed a new battery, after 1.5 years I have 53kWh available. The transplant was Leaf E+ I don't have time for such fun :)

[@ramblerandy2397]

I love Bjorn's catalogue of ABC's. Always Bring Salad is stretching it a bit, but it wouldn't be Bjorn Nyland's channel if it wasn't stretching something in the language. Part of his unique humour. 😁

[@doggnamedchip]

ABC, always be stretching, sounds about right. 😁

[@zaneverovati]

it's the language that's faulty if you try saying it. ABC = ei, bee, see = Always Bring Sallad. :D

[@stal5861]

Clearly it's Always Bring Calad

[@Kevin-GOT]

Lol always with «The Sun»😂

[@lecleve5456]

We should leaf soon…..he he 😂

[@LennySharer9]

Love the way you make thumbnails 😂😂 15:17

[@kjh789az]

Very good, Bijorn! Up to your usual amusing standard. ABC = Avoid Bloody Chademo! LoL. Thanks!

[@amiddled]

Won't be long before the Sun's AI tools pick up these videos again and the article generators end up in a feedback loop 😂

[@hadtopicausername]

I hope that is the actual goal! :)

[@jr-pl9kj]

my 2012 leaf is the same way, limited ranges etc., we both need battery upgrades, plus try activating the DC fast charger first before plugging in the car. i wish the US had this many chargers.

[@Vectorebike]

I missed challenges so so much man!! Please do more like this, and not only boring 1000km...

[@oleg1981]

Was in Geilo this summer. Beautiful place.

[@jankristensen7884]

I had a 2011 model that i bought in 2012 on ebay from the US. The longest trip i ever did, was my first trip in the car, from Drammen to Råholt, almost 120 km. The car was almost new,it had only 50 km on the meter.

[@hanso4830]

We got a nov '13 leaf 24kwh. We have 15kwh left. We live in the west of the netherlands. We dont need much more. But it can be annoying when in a rush

[@Te0gop]

It is strange that LeafSpy reports so low SOC on full charge. It could be that the cells are not balanced and to avoid overcharging of charged cells, the BMS stops the whole charge cycle. Try to full charge/rest 3-4 hours/full charge cycles for several times for balance to see if the SOC will increase.

[@decimal1815]

He's done videos about the battery degradation. Lots of detail..

[@Te0gop]

@@decimal1815 I give that advice as I noticed on my Leaf 2018 that few hours after charge finishes I click start charging from the Nissan EV mobile app and charge starts, event that is already full charged. In that way it adds additional energy and SOC increases near 100%, so may be balancing happens in the meantime.

[@decimal1815]

@@Te0gop yes, if I leave my 2014 Leaf charging after 100% it also seems to go further. Looking at LeafSpy Pro indicates that it only ever reached about 97% and then very slowly trickle-charges after that point. The car shows "100%" but it's really lower. I find that this balancing of the battery by overcharging seems to make the BMS think the battery is higher capacity, increasing the State of Health % and predicted range. By doing this balancing a couple of times my SOH increased from around 78% to 81%. But I won't do it too often.. maybe once a month.

[@akaoveve]

Adding "The Sun" seems to be beneficial @Bjørn Nyland . So, keep doing this :D

[@koaschten]

I must have missed a video. What is this meme?

[@sujeewarathnaweera]

​​@koaschten The sun stole his content. You know The Sun, BBC, steal content from KZbin all the time.

[@jacobwarren1498]

Im loving you just taking the piss out of the sun ever since they stole your content! Keep it up!!! XD

[@3kRandomChannel]

A B C - Always Bring Calad

[@ajhw10]

Glad you can feel the pain of us 24kWh LEAF owners in 2023! Although my 17kWh usable seems extravagant compared to Frankenstein...

[@MyfirstEV23]

Hi, I have 17.4 kwh usable left on my 2012 leaf at 81% SOH and the car doesn't charge more than 92/93% according to leafspy when its fully charged. What is your SOH if I may ask.

[@ajhw10]

@@MyfirstEV23 my SOH is ~78%

[@MyfirstEV23]

@ajhw10 Thanks for your reply, how far up can you charge looking up leafspy (SOC) when fully charged? I am asking because I think my Bms need balancing as I mostly charge to 80%. If you get 17kwh at 78% SOH . Wondering if at 81% I should have around 18 if the BMS is well balanced

[@ajhw10]

@@MyfirstEV23 I haven't had the chance to charge to 100% since your reply but at 98% on the display I have 96.8% SoC in LeafSpy with a usable 17.4kWh (little more than I thought!). However as it is winter my SoH has risen to 79.28%...

[@MyfirstEV23]

@ajhw10 Thanks! I will try to balance my Bms and see if its help.i have about 6 weak cells, this might also affect the level to which I can charge as the weak cells can pull down the pack.

[@SpottedSharks]

I've missed a few vids lately. Is Bjorn trolling the Sun?

[@goerekt]

The Sun stole bjorns content to bash electric cars.

[@SpottedSharks]

@@goerekt Seems like he's baiting them to do it again.

[@DJRaffa1000]

I just live how you keep "milking" the sun with your thumbnails (more like making fun of them, but that doesn't change my point XD)

[@robertpopek6063]

With my Ioniq classic that has 24,3 kWh usable battery left, ABRP suggest 3 h, 20 min driving time including one charging stop from Oslo to Geilo. Seams realistic.

[@GoldenCroc]

Quite big shades of the 1000 km test, even with the lower temperatures.... A couple of hours cold gating, then a good few with decent speeds and then gradually worse rapidgating... I hope It wont follow the same trajectory but it seems very similar with the onset speed etc. Silver lining is the much shorter trip of course.

[@asaltvik]

Finally a J.Lo run for Frankenstein👌

[@TheEdmaster87]

All we need is 140kwh battery pack and 1000km range in one charge is possible, of course the charging speed needs to be 350kw+ at lightning chargers to also not lose too much time charging. But I am so far happy with my model y with 18" wheels :)

[@dutchypiang]

The sun thanks you for your handy contributions. 😂

[@shivan6416]

ABC Always Bang the Sun 👍

[@davehollowell2104]

Regarding the issues with The Sun you need to raise a complaint with IPSO in the UK.

[@georgepelton5645]

IDK, Bjørn making fun of The Sun in his videos is even better response to their BS. IMO.

[@dagwilhelmsen4570]

I love your ironi Bjørn. 👍🏻💪🏻

[@bleeedthebrakes]

would think the bms and motor controller all need some form of module reprogramming to fix bugs tried a few ecu ids using picures on the internet, and nearly all have some new firmware to flash

[@SvenQ45]

The Sun is like the German "Bild". 😁

[@JimmySelgenNielsen]

The interesting part of the Geilo test (for me at least) is not wether or not the cars can make it there without charging, but how well they handle the charge upon arrival, and again on the following day, as that is the “real world” scenario, charging your car with a cold battery. At least for me, apart from being entertaining, the Geilo tests have shown the strength and weakness of several car models, and along with 1000km challenge and polar circle videos, were very helpful in selecting which car i purchased. Started out in an ID.4, which has now been replaced with a Model Y. The ID.4 was a fine car, but the software problems were a pain, and the car was “homesick”.. I’ve never owned a car that spent that much time at the workshop due to recalls.

[@MrMartyPlays]

Here comes The Sun

[@danwat1234]

The Sun did Transport Evolved / Aptera bad the other day!

[@nadnerb2k]

It took me 12 hours and 7 minutes to drive my 2012 Leaf with 35% degradation 302km from Canberra to western Sydney in winter last year. Didn't help that: -had to wait an hour for a tesla charging at the only available tritium charger at the start of my trip -there was a 100km gap between the first two ChaDeMo that I just couldn't make - I had to slow charge for an hour at a 2.4kW power point to ensure I got to the second ChaDeMo, but had to wait 3 hours for a ZS EV 🤬 - the third ChaDeMo recommended by ABRP hadn't been constructed yet (lesson learned: always cross-check ABRP with Plugshare). Had 13km range left and 50km of hilly terrain to get to the next one. Found a power point 9km away and had to charge another couple of hours there to limp to the next ChaDeMo - had to wait for another Tesla for another hour at my 5th charge stop Honestly - it was an adventure I look back on fondly . I'd just purchased the car and was driving it home, and was absolutely chuffed to avoid the tow truck 😅 - the only real stress was finding the non-constructed charger with 13km to go, and Plugshare got me out of that one. Since that day it's had an easy life, 42km per day for a year before my job transfer gave me a 3km round trip commute, I don't bother charging it above 60% most of the time now. We have an Atto 3 60kWh that's our family workhorse but I'll always have a soft spot for my OG Leaf.

[@richardblayney5898]

In UK anything over 50kw is a Rapid charger and fast chargers are 7-22kw…it’s confusing for new owners….

[@Roban554]

And experienced owners lol.

[@lingondraken]

7-22 kW is not chargers, that has to be AC charging, which means it is an outlet. The charger is in your car, then.

[@richardblayney5898]

@@lingondraken I know …. Technically EVSE - But generally people refer to them as chargers….

[@ElmarBon]

If you take degradation into account, the charging speed c-rate is right on par with the fastest charging cars: 45/13=3.5🤯

[@OraEtLabora0]

10:17 respectfully disagree. fast ones are 7/22kW AC, 50kW DC are rapid ones.

[@Infinion]

No yoyo to preheat the battery? I'm only 9 minutes in so maybe it will happen.

[@nakfan]

There’s just something special about these older Leaf…

[@matthewhartley5334]

They replaced gas pumps with electric pumps

[@lukedavis436]

I like the first gen leaf.... probably the only EV i do like.

[@gustavhedelin9302]

Great stuff! Regarding temperatures when cold/rapid gating. Do we know at which levels the bms starts to limit current draw? Would love to know when this is ant the different steps. Obviously SOC also limits current draw. Anyone with a table/chart on this? Thanks!

[@1psbloutcome]

If a curve is flat, is it still a curve, tho?🤔

[@doublesdetailer7709]

15m 15 s 🌞🤦‍♂️shot for the win🎉

[@pasihaaraoja68]

When to Thailand?

[@eautapl]

Why don't you use ABRP anymore?

[@grantlouw3182]

Time attack Frankenstein😂😂😂

[@karla6999]

I know, it‘s not my business, but I‘ll ask anyway, is „the Sun“ a new sponsor?😅

[@decimal1815]

The Sun is a crappy newspaper owned by Murdoch empire. They don't do proper journalism, so they just steal stories from KZbin instead, with lots of selective edits to make EVs look bad - of course!

[@doktordok7517]

He is trolig the Sun because they took his videos out of context, all to say how bad electric cars are. No link to the original video provided in their article.

[@karla6999]

@@doktordok7517 Thank‘s, I know

[@honzasafranek79]

Thats proper torture 😂

[@sailingariel1976]

I thinking of doing this test with my 2016 E-Golf. Maybe Bjørn wanna borrow my car :P

[@olcpuhh]

You should invite some bloke from "The Sun" to drive with You. Then You can say shiiiit together....

[@bjornnyland]

Salma is a woman.

[@arturdocarmo5724]

where you in Porto a couple of days ago?

[@bjornnyland]

Nein

[@cafe88racer53]

electric blanket prob warmer and less energy

[@bjornnyland]

Not comfortable.

[@RuneVenes]

Have you done the 1000 km challenge with Frankenstein? ... or is it scheduled... (heh, joking ofc)

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@andschae]

If Circle K and others are closed at night, why the hack are they illuminated like a x-mas tree? -.-

[@tridruankham2657]

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[@nakfan]

Btw is it impossible to get / make a CCS to Chademo adapter?

[@lucistnik]

haven't been done yet, there is a totally different communication protocol used

[@koaschten]

If I recall correctly you would have to implement a converter for the communication into the adapter. Chademo is Can Bus and CCS is power line communication (plc) so „real IP“ like your home network.

[@stighaaland5357]

Dala is working on it.

[@colla555]

Best idea to steal the "the sun" logo for your thumbnails until they stop stealing your content 😁👍

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

I wonder when there will be aftermarket modification kits to CCS, for CHAdeMO cars. I think that will b nice for the Leaf, and Triplets, etc.

[@Dubnoreix]

There already is: a Dutch company named Muxsan can install a CCS charge port in a Nissan Leaf. It isn’t bidirectional (yet), but It is possible.

[@CampGareth]

Sure, but like all upgrades if it costs too much it's cheaper to get a different car. For instance I could fit a new 62kwh battery to my 24kwh Leaf but if it costs more than £7000 I'd be better off selling the leaf and buying a hyundai ioniq 38kwh. If I put £7000 into the car does its value rise by the same? Probably not, the rest of the car is still old.

[@nonnanostra]

⁠where can i get 62 kW upgrade for 7000 ?

[@lucistnik]

Do they offer the CCS conversion without the extender battery? @@Dubnoreix

[@CampGareth]

@@nonnanostra 7000 was hypothetical. Muxsan will do it for 15500 EUR or ~13500 GBP, you might be able to do it cheaper yourself. It proves the point that some upgrades to older cars aren't worthwhile as I could buy a whole 62kwh Leaf for 14500 GBP.

[@ATICrossX]

Whats the story for such big degradation? I assume it's been sitting for long times at low state of charge? Since it only has 89k km in 10 years

[@ouch1011]

Probably lots of fast charging

[@karstennrberg2938]

It downt seem to bad at 10/12 streker? And almost 40% deg. Though we could trust the streker can we not trust it?

[@GoldenCroc]

Are you are aware the bars ("streker") arent a linear curve? Also, this one has "half-broken" cells/modules which I am not sure it takes fully into account.

[@georgepelton5645]

Pretty impressive that an early Leaf, with severe battery degradation, can be taken on a road trip (assuming Bjørn makes it to Gelio and back in part 2). Bjørn is a true ninja to make it work with significantly less battery capacity than even an iMIEV (aka "triplets").

[@glennjv01]

i hope you review Wuling Mini EV in thailand.

[@mitchell_alexander]

Please call a tow truck for the way back 🤣#thesun

[@happysporran]

All for testing more 2nd hand cars

[@stefanbjornsson]

Holy makkaroni

[@justindressler5992]

So do you have to be a mathematician to own an EV so you can avoid range anxiety?

[@josr]

im i the only one who don`t see electric cars as the future?

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

3kWh are 22% 😂

[@dyhppyx]

Screw the Sun

[@synthmaker]

is this bait for The Sun?

[@stevemulroy1417]

There must be an aftermarket battery supplier somewhere who can provide a decent upgrade for these crappy batteries in the leaf…

[@hansmuller3676]

With my q210 zoe 2014 110k km i can Drive over 100 km yet

[@Ebbo]

The agony!

[@alesholy785]

Masochism at its best.

[@ElectricMikeEV]

Frankinstein needs a battery swap or some new cells. You know we'd like to see him with 16+ kWh available 😁

[@GoldenCroc]

Well it already got a new module or 2. I dont think he wants to spend much unless he is sponsored.

[@noseboop4354]

A survey done with Norwegians who bought an EV last year showed that 45% of them regret their decision. Reduced battery charge in cold weather, buggy software updates, and the rising price of electricity all make EV a lot less attractive.

[@bjornnyland]

That sounds weird. EV car sales in Norway is exploding...

[@noseboop4354]

@@bjornnyland Of course EV sales are exploding in Norway, the government subsidizes them up to $40,000 each.

[@ouch1011]

@@noseboop4354cite your source

[@georgepelton5645]

Sounds like total BS to me. Reduced range in cold weather only requires a bit more charging time on road trips, and zero impact on daily driving with overnight charging. Norway has huge hydropower resources, so there should be no need for electricity prices to be rising. Show us your "survey."

[@noseboop4354]

@@georgepelton5645 Hah, the BS is Norway getting ultra rich thanks to oil. How about shutting down those offshore oil platforms if they truly believe in becoming more green.

[@davidh3194]

😂😂😂😂

[@lpdirv]

That car needs a midlife upgrade.

[@tridrean]

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