Helion 10" FPV Drone - The NEW Long Range KING? 👑

[@DroneSupremacy]

Taken from iFlight's Facebook Group: "If you get Jello on your helion please make the following changes to your PIDs page in betaflight. So far this has fixed everyone’s problems. It appears the problem is their is slightly too much P term on the tune to compensate for all rigs in our default tune. So far this has fixed all the issues on every drone we tried with jello. Change your Damping slider (D gains) - to 1.5 Pitch Damping (pitch, roll D) - to 1.0 Pitch Tracking (pitch, roll, P,I,& FF) - to 1.0 Master Multiplier - to 1.7 Change your Iterm relax to 5 (from 8 )" Hope that fixes the jello problem if you have it!

[@CRAGLORD]

Ive done all this and more and tried multiple props and all batteries and battery placements. STILL JELLO. Only on low throttle and diving. Any suggestions?

[@paytonfredricknelson]

My new indoor drone

[@MrAnatolyvizitiu]

Overpriced like crazy. If you want to do mountain surfing, FPV plane would be way more efficient and easier on signal interference, at the fraction of the cost. I would throw a way that stupid shell on top, it's just useless weight.

[@GinTonicFPV]

I think iFlight built this primarily to cash in on the Ukraine conflict. 10 inch drones can carry a much bigger payload than 7 inch and are also way more manoeuvrable than planes.

[@33ugghh]

Aliexpress has 10inch build kits for under 200 bucks 140 if u byo camera vtx and receiver which I prefer

[@AcruxFPV]

Ok, I'm going to be really honest here. I was the first to receive Helion and flagged the LED shorting issue against the FC, hence the taping fix and then the new LEDs. I will say, right from the get go, that I absolutely love this quad, despite its bad press on some forums. Many of us have provided valuable feed-back to the passionate team at 2Raw and iFlight and changes have been made.for he better. Josh and the team at 2Raw continue to provide updates so Helion matches Betaflight releases. Mike, your flight tines -- 15-30 mins on that sized lipo is BS. That may be so for a Li-ion pack, but not a lipo. I fly Helion with a 6,000mAh lipo, and I push speed. If I get 8-10 mins max that's a good flight. Regardless, I always love your passion for what we do, and I'm pleased you like Helion. 🙏❤

[@RGMGFitness]

Beast of a drone Mike! Think your going to need a bigger studio if these quads keep growing in size. 😂😂😂 Thanks for the review....that was a really nice edit!

[@DroneSupremacy]

You got that right!

[@temuerasamuel]

I have a Bob57 & I have the antenna getting loose issue.. my fix was just a small strip of insulation tape to stop the nut undoing.. works great

[@DroneSupremacy]

Yep that's a great solution!

[@Saved-kp4sq]

Velcro Strips come in handy for the shell..

[@FX44racing]

Good review and nice to see some channels reviewing. I bought a helion and have been enjoying it so far. Have seen the jello and it’s definitely more shaky cruising compared to my chimera 7. What’s your thoughts on the 55amp esc in such a big quad? One of the flights I did was a heavy headwind coming back and was having to push it hard. Was seeing 55-60amps and was starting to worry about popping the esc

[@christianmonghansen1671]

also have it, if you place the battery wrong, then jello can happen, other than that , 100 times better than the chimera 7 inch(also have that)

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

Yea I didn't get the 55amp. Think another 10" too did 55amp esc. I'd done the 80amp esc but I know that 4in1 is ridiculously expensive

[@freespirit2129]

Isn't 55amp esc means 55amp continuous for each motor? Also what you are seeing with amp meter on OSD is the total amp draw I believe

[@PavelMy]

And how to install it correctly? should it be in the center of gravity, or behind?

[@Todd_G_FPV]

I dont like how they did the antennas underneath the canopy but the rest looks sweet!

[@DroneSupremacy]

True

[@bigdatapimp]

Been saying 10in is better than 7/8in for about 3 years now. No one listened. 100mph easy and 20+min flight times with a 5200mah 6s. And yes you can freestyle the crap out of 10in too.

[@BeachbumfromBrick]

Long Range King 👑!!! Dream Gift/KZbin starter upper! Anyone looking to get into YouTubing. This may help. Make you look 💪 and Pleasant rides. I’m hoping someday I get to feel this ride! #NJ #JERSEYSHORE

[@ireshekanayake4844]

Good review. So are you saying jello can be 100% avoided if we attach the lipo as you suggested?

[@DroneSupremacy]

With the latest firmware update for the Helion I was told this was fixed!

[@dragonblanc17]

is it okay to buy this as a first drone ?

[@DroneSupremacy]

Probably not ideal for a first drone!

[@joelmulder]

Might’ve considered it if it was available without the O3 unit, but at this price I’d rather just build something myself and hotswap the O3 unit between my other drones like I already do.

[@33ugghh]

Aliexpress has 10” build kits for under 200 depending on what u want with it I just got the kit for 140 only didn’t come with cam vtx and receiver which I prefer

[@joelmulder]

@@33ugghh Sure, but I can also just build it myself for that price. The real advantage of this platform is the very well designed frame, but no way to get that without ordering the entire thing. That’s what my comment was about.

[@ernieschatz3783]

@@joelmulder Walksnail is the answer.

[@360DroneMappingLLC]

Great Video thanks for sharing!

[@DroneSupremacy]

Thanks for watching! :)

[@Flying_Wild_Boar]

Jello King thats for shure

[@dronesyt]

Amazing Review and great drone! - Thanks Mike

[@DroneSupremacy]

Thanks for watching!

[@DerickPelser]

I just got my first long range 7” but now I have another issue, where can I fly? I live in Northern part of GA and here are zero places to fly long range. At least legally, WMA, state Parks are off limits.

[@bigdatapimp]

Long range is not legal anywhere in the US. You must have LOS with the aid of any magnifying device. You can use a VO but must be able to communicate directly with them without using radios. Thank the FAA coming up with the BS rules and the community for being to lazy/afraid to do anything to fight them.

[@JakeSloan]

GREAT review of this beast!

[@DroneSupremacy]

Glad you think so! Thanks for stopping by Jake

[@ernieschatz3783]

Lat, long and altitude OSD but no distance display for a "ultra long range" drone. I don't know why the hobby grade dudes have bastardized the term long range to suit their own purpose.

[@DroneSupremacy]

Check out around 13:20 to see the detailed OSD that's available. You can clearly see distance there.

[@DeltadronesBr]

Awesome!

[@DroneSupremacy]

Glad you think so!

[@bulufish8208]

Thanks for a true instructional video and informative 👍.

[@Mustafa_Fpv_3D]

Do you place the flight controller in the middle of the frame or right in the center of the motors?

[@Ivoschcz]

10inch more agile that 7inch? c'mon!

[@DroneSupremacy]

Try and you’ll see :)

[@brianconnolly5649]

Depends on both drones

[@scottgivens27]

I have 6”,7”, 9”, and freestyle the Nazgûl 10v6. I can not see a 10” or 9” out maneuver nor be more agile than a 7” on this 🌎 planet. 😁 But it’s a swazeet looking 10” for 👍 sure!

[@scottgivens27]

@@Zeaiclies I mainly freestyle my 9” and 10” quads and I can tell you from personal daily flying them that they are no way near as maneuverable, nor as nimble as a 7 inch, they are, however very fun and impressive to fly. And just like a muscle car, they haul, but on a straightaway and they do sound and look sweet. But no, the best 10” quad will never out maneuver, the best tune, 7 inch quad, as even tuning is an issue with nine and 10 inch quads and a limitation of prop choice, along with the limitations of the tune you can get out of them.

[@scottgivens27]

@@Zeaiclies Many things are possible through technology of course, but in the current drone community we lives in, more focus has been put into smaller drones than larger At the moment the tech is not there for off the shelve 10" drones to out perform of the shelf 7". Especially when it comes to this drone. The only difference between the He lion and the I flight Nashik 10 V6 that I have, is the frame. The motors, electronics and tune are the same across the board, and its not designed to be as maneuverable as a 7" because the market isn't their for designers to focus on that performance. At the moment, there is no propeller, frames, nor motors designed to eliminate noise on larger quads in general. That noise makes pushing large quads to perform and be as maneuverable as smaller quads is challenging. From my findings and from what I've seen and learned from tuning large quads, for the smoothest flight to reduce noise, you have to reduce the PWM frequency down to 16 from 24. It makes and reduces a lot of the noise, but a vast reduction in maneuverable flying. Maybe Chris Rosser will come out with a frame and motors to solve these issues. Lol

[@manwithanaccent4315]

So, what's the range????

[@ShebanFPV]

motors are a bit small, I would stick 3215 1050kv ) need more poooowwwwaaaarrrrr! ))))

[@LoVeAmBiEnT]

7 inch fine for long range lol Never have issues with the wind blowing my chimera around. Will probably still buy one of these though. Would be nice to have every option possible.

[@DroneSupremacy]

Well it depends on the conditions, but yeah it's worth trying if you can :)

[@KyleJPilot]

I have some questions about what remote and goggle combo I need to use for the new Helion I just ordered. Here’s what I have: - DJI FPV Goggles V2 and DJI Remote Control 2 (Came with the DJI FPV Fly More Combo) - DJI Goggles 3 and DJI Remote Control 3 (Avata 2 Fly More Combo) I purchased the Helion 10 with the additional ELRS 2.4 receiver and a Commando 8 Remote Control. I know I can use the DJI Goggles and Remote with the Helion 10 as it has the DJI O3 HD Air unit preinstalled. However, if I use the Commando ELRS remote with the ELRS 2.4 receiver, which goggles are compatible? Can I use the DJI FPV Goggles V2? Or do I need the DJI Goggles 2? Or the DJI Goggles Integra? If I decide I’d rather fly the Helion 10 with the DJI Goggles and Remote, do I need to disconnect the ELRS 2.4 receiver or can I just link the DJI Goggles and Remote to the DJI O3 Air Unit? Thanks in advance for the help!

[@DroneSupremacy]

You can use all the goggles you mentioned, they're all compatible with the Helion (with O3 unit inside) I'd recommend the Goggles 3 though And to your final question - yes, you need to disconnect it.

[@KyleJPilot]

@@DroneSupremacy Thanks for the tip. I plan to use the Goggles/Remote 3 with the O3 Air unit. However, when I’m using the ELRS 2.4 Receiver with the Commando 8 remote, which goggles do I have to use to be compatible? I assume the DJI Goggles 3 won’t work. Can I use the DJI FPV Goggles V2? Or do I need to pick up a pair of the Goggles 2 or Goggles Integra? Or is there a better brand that would work better I haven’t mentioned?

[@LifeofAccro]

id be annoyed not having usb port access without removing the shell, if youre DIY enough id probably dremel out a couple access ports and then 3D print a TPU plug i could easily remove, might be the best solution ;)

[@HuMaNiTaRiAn1]

You should use a li-ion pack if you are really trying to do LR. a 6s2p pack will get you much longer flight times than a lipo, from 20>30 mins. samsung have 21700 5000mah 35A cells. I think 10inch is much better suited for these packs as my 7" really falls outside it's efficiency window while weighting 1.2KG, i struggle to get more than 30mins of cruising. When you do your LR test please take a similar 7inch drone to compare and do a head to head., that would be really useful for people considering which size frame to get.

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

I have 6S4P 12,000mah 18650 pack I use sometimes on 8" Do 6S4P 16,800mah or 20,000mah Pretty sure it can do heavier but packs get so big

[@bigdatapimp]

Ive gotten 20+min with a 5200mah 6s lipo on my 10in... its more flying conditions than anything. LIon are not as good for high amp draw, so if you have to fly into the wind you may not get any better flight times.

[@andresdelgado6778]

7 inch LR Drones are not that efficient? Not that fast for a long period of time? 10 inch much more agile in the air? Are you really saying to compare two machines with different sizes and construction is a fair comparison? If you think so, It follows then to compare a Ferrari and a school bus is okay. Could you please support all these statements with a side to side comparison by specs and actual flight under the same conditions? 10 inch drones are beasts, however size comes with a lot of tunning issues, read comments below from some other viewers. Thanks for sharing and for your time.

[@krakraen343]

max range?

[@dtiydr]

Capable of over 100kmh?! Dam.

[@YTFPV]

how far can you go really in a perfect location 2.5 km or more and how long to charge a battery what would be the best long range for travelling?

[@Michelsen3K]

10-15km and more under perfect condition. speaking of line of sight and proper antennas both on vtx and vrx. battery depends on charger. maybe 30mins depends on model. for travel I'd suggest a 5 inch for cinematic shots. if you go long range while traveling 7 inch fits easy mounted on your backpack. Enjoy!

[@YTFPV]

@@Michelsen3K Thanks and 5 inch what you suggest for me 2.5 km is good enough really and battery ? Most 5 inch if you do 6 min is good a good 8 min is perfect

[@dalshe_vseh]

Hello everyone, I bought a Helion 10, installed it, and everything seems fine, but the range is very small, probably a maximum of 700м? Goggles lose contact. I'm using the following equipment: (Crossfire Tango 2 transmitter, DJI Goggles 2. TBS crossfire.) There are no significant interferences. I tested it in an open field. Big thank you for any help!

[@Michelsen3K]

whats your vtx output power? smells like standby mode

[@offaxisfpv]

put a small camera on top facing backwards at the antennas and watch them dance from the 10" vibration machine

[@offaxisfpv]

also, putting the gps inside the shell between the two antennas is a very weird choice. looks like a good Buy and Fix (BNF)

[@highup6220]

Smoke weed every day

[@dantealighieri7305]

Hi everyone! I have problems with vibrations on the video recorded by the action camera. Especially in the descent part. Does anyone have any advice on this? what can I do to avoid vibrations in the video? Thank you!

[@DroneSupremacy]

Check the pinned comment 🙌🏼 hopefully that would help

[@shaterproofblosm]

$800 with a cheep 3d printed body that looks kinda cool... That'll be $1,750 thanks... 🤔

[@Dragonewiz]

LOVE IT...!!! But will it work with the DJI goggles V1??? THANKS and great imformitive video good job... 😉👍🙏

[@ireshekanayake4844]

O3 doesn’t work with V1. It works only with V2 and above

[@Boyanoo]

dope!

[@DroneSupremacy]

Thanks for stopping by dude! You're already deep in the FPV game so you might enjoy this one :)

[@Boyanoo]

yea ive seen this one a couple times now, looks sick! @@DroneSupremacy

[@DroneAddiction81]

What reciever would you recommend for maximum performance and distance on this drone.....for someone who is starting fresh and hasn't chosen a controller yet?

[@DroneSupremacy]

Crossfire is the norm but me personally I fly ELRS and I’m happy with the results 👍🏼

[@lycosa10]

I want it ❤

[@PeterPiccolo]

what video transmission system r u running? is this dii or the walksnail?

[@DroneSupremacy]

DJI 👍🏼

[@SgtJamesRay]

A 10 inch drone is faster and more agile than a 7 inch drone? I'm sorry the math doesn't math. I like this drone and I want it but let's be real. The best agro flights aren't done with a 10 inch drone. The most racing that is done with a drone is not done with a 10 inch drone. The only thing that is done with larger and larger props is long-range for the efficiency not for the speed not for the agility. Just for the ability to navigand high wind situations And carrying the weight of a heavier battery. Physics say that in order to be agile you have to give up some stability. Much like staying on the balls of your feet in sports allows you to change direction easily but it renders you a little less stable than stayingfirmly planted with your feet down. 10 inch props are all about stability. Physics also says in order to go faster you must reduce as much weight as you can thereby using the available power for propulsion not for lift. Come on guy this is science make the math math

[@mannyjamz]

What are these used for primarily?

[@PavelMy]

for shooting in the mountains, I think it's obvious)

[@josediaz6246]

How do i get the update pids ?

[@DroneSupremacy]

Check out iFlight's Facebook group - there's info on how to update to the latest FW on the Helion.

[@swissfpvshots]

Very nice video, thanks. Ive the MOZ-7 and I am pretty happy with it. Visually the helion looks so cool...

[@DroneSupremacy]

Indeed!

[@User18dog]

Anything you don’t like about the moz7?

[@swissfpvshots]

@@User18dog the Jello with a GoPro ontop

[@User18dog]

@@swissfpvshots rlly that it’s?

[@User18dog]

Are you still rockin the moz for your LR?

[@lynsmith1096]

Good review Mike

[@DroneSupremacy]

Thank you!

[@georgeboichev3778]

Quality!

[@DroneSupremacy]

🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@MrEddieNunez]

First 🎉

[@DroneSupremacy]

Special high five your you kind sir 😅🙌🏼

[@MrEddieNunez]

@@DroneSupremacyFull watch and great review. I’ve noticed many comments on the iFlight FB group talking about the same things you did…. The shell and antenna. I am still on the fence on purchasing this drone. Not sure if I would get much use out of it in NYC, due to its size. Only when I go further up north to the Catskill mountains could this be handy. The price point is a bit high in my opinion, but I totally understand with inflation. Looking forward to your long range flight and additional thoughts.

[@Magic.Carpet_FPV]

1 of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to any drone is jello i absolutely cant stand it!! It makes me want to sell the drone right away. So honestly can you tell me if the jello is a problem ??

[@DroneSupremacy]

It's a problem with some FW versions (updating to the newest one apparently fixes it) and from mounting the battery the wrong way.