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[@Schoolship.]

I love how this video started right away! so rare that an introduction is less than a minute long before the video actually starts.

[@respawncrew1209]

A7 Hercules. Can carry troops, vehicles and it has massive dedicated ground facing turrets.

[@respawncrew1209]

@Altuis Sangio it's an MMO. troops won't be sitting down. The ship that can carry the biggest amount of people all standing in the back will likely be the troop carry ship of choice when the game comes out. The Hercules is well armed and heavily shielded plus can carry a tank (or tanks). Bringing firepower to the fight is more important than having some extra storage racks and seats for troops.

[@Wind_Lord]

This. I have the M2. I would say for pure shock you can’t beat rolling out a couple of tanks after dropping some MOABs. Also has turrets for ground support. Best ships by far imo. Bad miss noobifier not to include it.

[@billyhyde1415]

I think the A2 and M2 are worth talking about in this arena, but they might have been left off the list because they're not specifically designed to carry /soldiers/ into battle, so much as land vehicles. This makes them irrelevant in station or ship boarding operations, and since there's no place for the soldiers or weapons in the vehicles they're carrying (except sitting in their stations in those vehicles the whole way), they're not really ideal for deploying assets to the field.

[@Wind_Lord]

Billy Hyde re. Deploying soldiers onto the battlefield how many people bother sitting in the seats in the Valkyrie. People line up in the doorway, check out any number of Rexzilla ops. The fact it is deploying tanks or other vehicles means it must have enough space for the crew plus the crew of the vehicles. The A2 takes 2 nova tanks which can have 6 crew, so I guess at least that many.

[@Schoolship.]

@@Wind_Lord makes me curious how npcs will handle this. can you stuff 40 npcs into a ship with no seats, or are they going to be like duck no we're not getting in there, and btw we're keeping the money you already paid us. bye 👋 . what do you think?

[@Seerthe6th]

Thank you for going over this again, hits home like the MV-22. Also enjoy the longer vids that you throw down once in a blue moon. Keep it up the good work Sir o7

[@mightysaxon1592]

The Cutlass should have gotten a dedicated section. The ship is very clearly built to deliver troops and boarding actions. two van doors for quick exits, an air shield on the rear door (eventually) for space boarding and tractors to stabilize a disabled ship. two spots for dragonflies (or other bikes), 6 jump seats at the rear with a wide exit ramp. It is THE entry level boarding/dropship Noobifier! ... and as you said, they are so common its almost a Trojan horse on top of everything else.

[@M-Mir]

Yeah, but one shot from the ballista and .... boom.

[@hellcatdave1]

It is the Huey of the dropship world. Very bare minimum troop bays by todays standards.

[@johnnypatterson77]

I noticed something from watching this video, around the one minute mark the video your playing shows a pair of Valkyrie dropships swaying back and forth making some really tight turns in the valley their flying in, I wish thats how how the Valkyrie really felt when ya flyingitbut you cannot zip around like that in that ship, in reality it lumbers around those valleys and does not fly like the video shows.

[@Maldayne]

I really hope the Redeemer can be... Well redeemed. It was the first ship I saw that led me to discover Star Citizen and eventually become a backer. And I must confess I really like the nutcrackers :P

[@lordfraybin]

They've certainly built a concept of giant org vrs org battles, which means they need LOTS of players. I hope they polish the AI well enough, that we can do these large scale assaults, on AI forces.

[@lostmf1279]

Yes fckin please, polish the AI well enough for massive battles. That should be the way to get derelict vanduul ships to fix up and own.

[@Schoolship.]

@@lostmf1279 fix them with what parts, and is an insurance company going to insure it? i'm concerned about the Banu ships for this reason, their parts are coming from all over the galaxy, some parts are even vanduul, so when your BMM breaks down, fixing it is going to be a long impromptu mission and might mean breaching vanduul space. not that that's bad, but it'll hurt the pocketbook definitely. same for any non converted vanduul ship, you can't just walk into dumper's depot and ask for vanduul replacement parts.

[@cyrilj7533]

Good video fella,thanks😉

[@benphoto1647]

Prowler is for me... especially with my ninja tomcats coming out of it. :)

[@AbbreviatedReviews]

I've always wanted to see the Avenger turned into a sort range mini dropship. You can already stack eight bounties in there.. you'd think you could comfortably put a four person seat setup in there with weapon slots and have it work well.

[@jbirdmax]

Too bad the new flight model destroys any notion of actually flying ANY of these ships the way they were originally pitched as flying. Like the way they’re being flown in their perspective videos. Zipping around those valleys like that? Laughable! Those Valkyries would turn on a dime but just keep on flying sideways right into the canyon wall. They better fix this garbage.

[@FoxCreativeGaming]

Hi TheNOOBIFIER1337 Thanks for going over the rolls of those drop ships, and gun ships. It really helps me with my choice between the Valkyrie, and the Hoplite. I was wondering if you can also do a similar break down between Exploration, and Expedition ships. I have been trying to understand the difference between ships with those rolls in the Star Citizen.

[@Anachroschism]

So far some Hoplites and Valkyries seem like a very good combination. The Retailiator also has a cramped interior, so I hope the module allows dropping troops like bombs lol. I guess they could strap some seats to the ramp of the Constellation too (which I suspect will also end up with a rework later).

[@RoughGalaxyYT]

I love the Valk. It's a great ship and you can feel like a badass in any gunnery position.

[@failscalator]

"Blowing stuff up with dudes in the back, to pick up the pieces." -The Perfect breakdown.

[@Red-V-SB]

I work with APCs every day, the CV90. And I would love to see a version of this in the verse. Small crafts with an infantry team in the back designed to combat other infantry

[@TheRad82]

Love the idea of drop ships in the game. I just hope there is gameplay to facilitate the need for these ships.

[@QuangoQ4]

Top notch, Noobifier! Very balanced treatment of what we know and what the broader SC community is hoping for.

[@juicestain1232]

Please do more ship class overview videos. These will be very useful

[@Doggie_San]

I would love too see a super cutlass variant!

[@jcadence4761]

Great rundown. Thank you!

[@yokorose]

talking about the redeemer . wonder if the Retaliator or Gladiator will ever get a rework .only wondering about them two because close to every ship that got released to hanger has been reworked and both of them are super old specially the gladiator

[@EvidensInsania]

I think a rework is highly unlikely but they will probably get a polish at some point.

[@RewdAwakening]

I hope the engines on the Hoplite are eventually going to spin, at least in atmo'.

[@SwedishYouthHumanist]

Thanks for the run down!

[@silentone11111111]

Cool vid. Cutlass has seats in the back too :)

[@Lord_Retrospect]

the prowler is a pretty lady

[@NaraBoy89]

I disagree on the Hoplite getting cargo, it defeats the purpose of it's gunship role. Quick deploy to do CAS for your ground troops. I think of it similar to the Mi-24 in that sense.

[@cowboy10uk]

Would that be the same MI-24 that can carry cargo. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@NaraBoy89]

cowboy10uk If you are referring to the sling load/external stores, I am aware of it but you are missing my point Unless you can quickly jettison those stores on landing all I see is an easy target for someone in the middle of combat.

[@morganmcgary921]

Good break down.

[@joesgotmore]

Nice video once again

[@suicunefox3318]

Thank you for the information! I really appreciate you and your videos. They have really helped me get into SC more and are such a relief when I don't have to watch an hour long SC live video. I also appreciate how much time and effort you spend into getting just what we need to know. Thanks for all you do! I hope to see you, AROUND THE 'VERSE!

[@mon7600]

Nice video man, I really wana see how the vanguard progresses, I really like the ship, but it always feels like something is missing

[@lostmf1279]

The warden has a niche purpose and the weapon load out for the entire line is underwhelming. It's not hard to take one down with an avenger titan or 325a.

[@mon7600]

@@lostmf1279 agreed man

[@Legendary_Tales]

Do we really think that the Valkyrie, with its overlapping fields of fire from its 4 turrets + the nose-mounted, pilot-controlled weapons, really can't defend itself into and out of a combat zone? The maneuverability isn't there as compared to fighters (not even close) but with its armor and 360-degree firing arcs, I think the Valkyrie should be capable of "escorting" itself, at least versus just a few fighters. Shields like a Connie (42,000HP), armor like a tank and guns like a small naval destroyer. That should do the trick. Don't you agree?

[@ltmuffler3482]

I think Valkyrie escorted by Hoplites would be a decent setup, with a Hercules thrown in if you needed some tanks. A Valk and 4 Hops gets you 44 infantry and a light vehicle, and takes 13 flight crew. 2 Heavy vehicles with a Hercules thrown in and 3 extra flight crew (If using the M2).

[@mariobeck3798]

The Scimitar was way better then the Redeemer in my opinion. Btw... the Hoplite has room for storage... it just lacks trading console support. The Cutlass has also extra seats in the back which makes it naturally fitting here. Maybe we should also add the Starlifter because of it's vehicle dropship capabilities. Then there is the Caterpillar which was meant to have modules for troops and boarding (or deploying Dragonflies)... but no one knows if this will be abandoned or not. (Honorable mention: There is also the Reliant Tana which has everything the other dropships offer... but is just for 2 persons^^)

[@LDubz79]

Great vid as always! I'm currently waiting on the Hoplite to go on sale again (3.6 live maybe?) as it's a ship I'm waiting for to help round out my support fleet. Adding to a list of ships with potential future dropship potential, I personally think the Herclules M2 would make a fantastic candidate. At present it can hold 2 tonks which presumably could be swapped out for quite a few smaller vehicles, but imagine being able to drop two-dozen troops into a hot LZ instead!

[@-NateTheGreat]

Dropships seem too niche in Star Citizen. Feels like a more SQ42 thing.

[@Wind_Lord]

Talking drop/gun ships and don’t even include the M2/A2 in the list. Like your vids noob, but this is a bad miss, especially since you put the Starliner in. I would say for pure shock you can’t beat rolling out a couple of tanks after dropping some MOABs, followed by a bunch of troops. Also they have turrets for ground support, huge multi role gameplay possibilities and can deploy much larger groups than the others mentioned and are designed to work planetside. Best ships by far imo.

[@TheBeardowns]

The easiest way to think of the ship differences is weight. There’s only so much useful load that can generally be on ships. This is based on today’s terms but so are the types of ships in this vehicle. A dropship’s useful load is mostly bodies, a gunship is mostly weaponry. A ship carrying 20 people can’t have the same amount of weaponry unless it has bigger engines. Bigger engines mean more fuel. More fuel means bigger wings. Bigger wings means less maneuverability and multi roll capability. It’s all a balancing act. So if you have 10k lbs of useful load you can either focus on troops or weapons. If it’s troops then the loadout is generally suppression based. IE guns, if it’s weapons then the loadout will have high energy weapons like missiles

[@Texas240]

Redeemer: the most recent word from CIG was that it was losing the transport aspect and becoming a pure gunship. Think of the difference between an Mi-24 Hind gunship and an Mi-28 Havoc. Retaliator: if the front torpedo bay is the one that can be replaced with the troop module, the bay is tall enough to fit the Titan suit, based on some modeling by a community member on what ships it might fit into (when concept sketches were released). As you pointed out, there's no mention of how troops or Titan equipped troops would enter or exit.

[@Drrolfski]

I've yet to be sold on dropships as a viable game mechanic. With a game world so ridiculously big, why would the average player even be willing to spend an hour being someone else's cargo? Not to mention that a squad of players bringing each their own space ships to the scene would result in a whole lot more firepower support. This is typical for a whole lot of SC's gaming loops btw: On paper, they look cool and "immersive" but when you really start thinking how they would play out, it really doesn't make all that much sense.

[@TheEinargallardo1]

Thanks!

[@vicsid9606]

I have always felt two or three hopolites would be better than a Valkari. Pretty much the same amount of flight crew, more baskets for the eggs, air cover and fire support for ground troops. The current vehicles that the Valk can deliver is out weighed by the amount of firepower three Hopolites can bring. In today's terms the Hopolite is a Hind and the Valk is a CH 53.

[@CptHer]

WAIT... right in the beginning you said that we can't forcefully open ship doors atm. There was a time where we could force them open by shooting them with the railgun or a grenade. Doesn't that work anymore?

[@FeriteKnight]

Anyone thinking they're just going to be able to swap a Valkyrie for a Cutlass and run profitable cargo transport is maybe a bit delusional. They'll be lucky if it doesn't cost them twice as much as they are making, unless they are running something incredibly lucrative that warrants the expense and pays out anyway.

[@venlac6356]

Great vid, per usual, but I have to disagree with giving the Hoplite cargo. The Valkyrie with cargo I can understand and can totally see it resupplying forward positions but the Hoplite is a heavy fighter that can carry troops. Given the size of the ship and number of troops it can carry I cannot see this carrying cargo as well. Adding cargo just so it can do cargo missions doesn’t seem to fit its role in the Verse either.

[@Hiigaranwarrior159]

The only things I have issues with is how you stated the Redeemer to have two "stories" when it's a ship, not a building, and therefore it has two decks, not stories, and how you didn't use a a definite article (such as "the") when describing *the* Retaliator at 5:30; the latter point is a subject of major annoyance to me because it's an INCREDIBLY simple grammar rule to follow, but I've been seeing it routinely ignored as of late, and with my being a graduate of English specialization, I tend to harp on such things. Other than those issues, which I have more because I'm a stickler for proper terminology and grammar, I'd say this is a good video with excellent formatting, the highlighted list at the bottom was a nice touch. Regarding your reservations about the Retaliator having a DropShip module, I would contend that such a module could possibly make the ship an excellent craft to form a mobile Forward Operations Base if fitted with a cargo bay module to carry additional supplies along with the DropShip module and had its turrets used for area denial.

[@HenriFaust]

Surprise or misdirection are always key, and should be used in all permitting circumstances. The only time you should be straight with an opponent is during a double-bluff.

[@happybunny1986]

I got the tali for my drop ship. It felt silly to have a dedicated drop ship (for cost) but a ship that could be used in org missions as a anti capital bomber (even if its entire payload dosnt even scratch the hammerhead) or slip in a drop pod for transporting troops. If you don't have many org mates then some of youre turrets can be ai driven with the 'shards' Then when iam just getting on an doing my business slap in the cargo module and enjoy long haul deliveries in the best looking ship in the game (hugely biast opinion right here 😂) Thanks for the video!!

[@Power5]

The prowler just scares people to death so not as many weapons are required. It just looks so menacing in landing mode. Perched and ready to deliver death like a scorpion or something. Valk is a great ship though. Love the VTOL and all the guns sticking out of it.

[@aderek79]

I would like to know how they are going to use things like secured seating, life support, etc. to affect using ships like Cutlass and Freelancer to transport large numbers of players.

[@crimsongoldeagle8868]

I'm not sure, but I thought the Retaliator had 2 swappable modules. That'd mean it could seat 24 people and hold 2 Titan suits. That seems pretty good as long as there's a way to quickly load and unload people.

[@fanustheron8178]

Not my type of gameplay but I do have a Freelancer and Cutlass for those type of missions.

[@differenttan7366]

Drop ship style game play has never felt like my thing unless its as an extra crew member but since the moment i went aboard the Valk I've loved that ship, now with recent rework the vanguard is looking pretty slick too, i may need to reconsider...

[@robertkyer986]

when I think dropship I think more on terms of Halo or Battle tech universe where troops are jettisoned out in drop pods or "Hot dropped" through hatches so the ship minimizes ToT and can get troops off and GTFO.

[@-aodoine-5266]

oh... great now I don't know which dropship or gunship I want!!! ROFL thank you!

[@testpattern23]

I like the prowler because of it's agile nature, stealth, s5 weapon hard points, it's gravlev tech that will allow it to stick to hulls of larger ships and air shields for space boarding and supposed to be able to take a beating. Seems the only one designed for ship to ship boarding in mind. It is very spendy though.

[@Gazbeard]

NOOBIFIER you completely forgot the oldest and most traditional definition/role of a dropship in science fiction - a troop lander dropped from orbit with limited flight capability, one usually intended to be recovered back to orbit by a salvager or tug. These were not drop pods. These were ships that freefell from orbit into atmo / near-surface and then flew from the end-of-freefall to the insertion point. For trans-space travel they were carried by a troop carrier in the style of the Idris / Bengal / Retribution. In the original book of Starship Troopers they used this style of dropship, and the marines on the ground were exfiltrated by a different class of ship than the one they landed in. The drop ship in Aliens was originally written as a fast-falling / slow-return-to-orbit flight performance - the high powered exit-to-orbit flight in the Aliens movie was not a capability of the original performance of the ship and was added to the movie for dramatic effect.

[@duramirez]

Ok but.... drop troops has not much game play yet so, what's the point of having a ship with a bunch of seats? i prefer using a freelancer as a drop ship if the need arrives, seat in the floor or whatever :D

[@vazaruspaytonas7017]

The retaliator is a stealth dropship. It has several turrets to cover upon landing. I don't see why this wouldn't be the go to ship. If you put the torpedo bay in the rear you have the capability to atleast disable whatever is in the dropzone. If they add bomb bay to rear module you could even saturate the dropzone before landing. Everyone treating retaliator base like windows phone. Nobody talking about it.

[@susofseattle]

Cutlass Black in this role reminds me of the MH-1 Little Bird. Just hop in with a squad and drop them anywhere.

[@MindBurntDE]

1:55 i think, the Redeemer get's after the Rework more focus as a Gunship. But the 2 Turrets make it perfect as a Dropship and i think, it makes it a better Dropship then the Hopelite.

[@AlRaymand]

Very helpful and thanks again for your afford you put into each video you create. And damn i said it before but i gonna say it again, these wideangel shots are sexy :)

[@ricksaeta1975]

Kinda thought you might have included the Hercules M2 Noobster.

[@aera64]

I always though that if we got a version that was If the Genesis was going to get a version That was able to deliver troops into the middle of a battler field I was be designed with the thought of para-trooping Infantry, supplies, and vehicles (for vehicles like the Nova Tank you would have to fly pretty low to the ground for this to work sometimes fly so close to the ground maybe 25 ft that you all you need to do is release the tank no shot needed mind you and get the hell out of there)

[@neojack333]

as you said, I like the idea to use the cutlass for moving troops because the ennemy can't know if it's a regular cutlass with a solo pilot, or fulled with an army.

[@ShadowOfMachines]

I figure the Genesis Starliner would function like a Liberty ship when it came to troop transport, don't know why anyone would even want to try to land something that large in a warzone. I really am curious to see what happens to the Redeemer, it will be an interesting day when we get some news on it.

[@tacbird3059]

Sadly the Prowler will be very limited in it's use due to the size small fuel tanks and drives. Which is why I no longer own one.

[@jollygoodshow]

You forgot the ARGO MPUV-1P. No guns but it's still a dropship :D

[@SCTimbal]

The Prowler for me. Nothing says Special Operations like trying to board and steal an enemy cap ship with no one being then wiser really appeals to me.

[@pirateradio8420]

Cutlass Black, most bang for your buck. If you had to start with one ship, that is the one I would chose.

[@samdixon6539]

Hoplite is what I am looking at right now we are a small org and the hoplite fits the bill the best and I can us it as a heavy fighter to support in other operations. I do love the cutty because it can do a bit of everything but there is so many of them in our org that I feel like mixing it up.

[@Tragn988]

I love my valk so much. Now that is capable of carrying cargo, it's for sure the sort cutlass

[@ericstorm8277]

A module, or variants, for Freelancer and Cutlass dedicated to transport people or drop troops would be interesting.

[@VonSpud]

Choices, choices...made easier with help from Noobifier, thx.

[@jdloreman]

I especially liked this video. Keep it up, havent missed out on any of your content so far!

[@Naviss]

Makes me wonder how much these types of one role ships like this will be used. Like the Prowler. For the cost that is.

[@celanis7164]

troop dropping isn't my cup of tea. But at least I know what ships to look out for now :-)

[@nickkropat8857]

I kick myself constantly for not picking up a Starliner when they were on concept - Cant wait to see them in game

[@jeffdbaker71]

The biggest problem with the Valkyrie is that it cant fit into the smaller capital ships.

[@ts25679]

I want a mag-hook on my spacesuit to grapple to nearby ships.

[@crudbasher72]

Nice video Noobifier. Keep up the quality content.

[@ne0fenris]

Do we know if the are any plans for paratroop or jump pack mechanics?

[@foxleskiller]

I will like SC to add OST ship to drop troop from orbit or in air like halo OST

[@rofkr]

The cutlass black... the clown car drop ship

[@jamesxff]

Thanks for your hard work Noob, great video.

[@prophet172]

Be cool if there was an avenger dropship variant or a module

[@RaneKaiser16]

Prowler always reminds me of Skynet.

[@artstalker8065]

Oh yes ! just a tiny cargo grid for the hoplite !

[@JaumeSabater]

Good, straight to the point video, Noobifier, as always, although I'd have loved a little bit more of detail or insight per ship. Maybe another video about dropships/gunships when the Prowler is closer to release and we know something about the Redeemer or the Retaliator? Regarding the Retaliator, I think that it will have to be reworked due to metrics and modularity, thus we may see relevant changes in the ship, not just the size (I'm talking weapons and turrets). I like the Retaliator, but what you said in the video... well, my thoughts exactly: the crew/soldiers ratio just doesn't add up... unless we are talking NPCs, blades... or major rework. I think it will have to become a little bit wider (as per the work seen on other reworked ships). Also, not sure if you implied "the" central module of the Retaliator when you said "one" central module of the Retaliator. Could you please clarify? :-) Generally speaking, I love the idea of multi-purpose ships through modularity.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Jaume Sabater I will be doing updated ship fight videos

[@MajorStaticX]

666th like, lol great does this mean i'm going to Hell?

[@billyhyde1415]

Although I think there are other, better ships in the game overall, the Valkyrie stands out as possibly the best purpose-designed ship CIG has shown us thus far -- and by that I mean, it's able to do the job it was specifically designed for better than any other craft. And, on top of that, it's got multi-role and multi-crew potential all over it, and it's just FUN.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Billy Hyde it’s a Gem like the Cutty and Titan.

[@bback74]

This was a really good summary of all the options we have moving troops. Thanks. I do believe the A2 and M2 should have gotten mentioned though (since you included the Starliner which is more a "passenger airplane" imo).

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

bback they are in the same boat... not a drop ship. I mentioned only to squash some misconceptions. The Herc is too large for people to assume it to be a viable platform

[@adammaywhort]

Good Video Noobifier thank you for making it. IMO gunships shouldn't carry any troops.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

The Mi-24 would disagree with you.

[@Huneidu]

Super Cutlass it is not. The Cutlass Black is a better combat ship than the Valkyrie on many levels. Faster, less crew to man all weapons, more maneuverable, and a smaller hitbox. The Cutlass Black will fair better with 2 crew than a Valkyrie will with 7 crew members. This confusion needs to end unless something drastic has changed in 3.6 I am not aware of.

[@EvidensInsania]

And isn't the Valkyrie's cargo capacity less too? I don't get it either. The Valkyrie is a highly specialised dropshop and it does that job great but I wouldn't call it a good multi-role ship like the Cutlass.

[@nedz4471]

Thanks for the updates Noob.

[@JnohD]

You forgot to mention the Cutty also has 6 jumpseats built in already, and ample room for a vehicle. Add the fact it was supposed to get a door mount for a tractor beam, which I would wonder if it could not be swapped out for a weapon as the Valkery has and you have a nice hidden-in-plain-view dropship, maybe?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I didn’t really forget. I implied it would be suitable

[@bryanhopper4727]

Great video really enjoyed it thank you.

[@nmtkawb]

Question: Why are exposed turrets bad? Wouldn't they gain coverage? That's a tradeoff, right?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

They have no protection

[@WabbitCrouton]

Thanks for the informative video. The swap-able central module of the Vanguard is huge news. It makes a Vanguard so much more versatile than it was already.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

McWabbit yes, I don’t expect that to come for quite some time but it’s great

[@upurshaft]

+10 for your definition of gunship.